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Spy360:
When you see Partey playing deep during attacking it's because he is orchestrating play from the back as a CM. Not that he is waiting to intercept ball. That was why I agreed when Mostob said he is a DLP. If not he is no different from Ndidi or Kante who are clearly DMs. It is from that role, that he is asked to give defense splitting passes. If he was just waiting to intercept ball, then how does he give those passes? He will not be in a position to do that.

Lol .. How will he not be in a position.

The issue is that you still think Dm is them Makalele-like. Once they win back ball, nothing concern them again. Most people believe DM have evolved and if you don't, then it's not our fault. If not, you wouldn't have said that bolded especially the 2nd one

Like I said, the basics, the foundation that's what you are having differences with everyone. And that's why you are clearly at odds in this matter with most people. it's the reason why your choice for Partey's replacement will always be at odds with almost everyone esp as that lone DM role.

Spy360:
Have you not heard that Ndidi is the best DM in PL? How's that based on your assertions?

He is One of the best DMs.
Who dash him the best?

Spy360:
Is this how you understood it? Lol. Xhaka covers Tierney whenever he pushes forward. Simple. At that INSTANT, Xhaka becomes the FB and Tierney the winger. Aubameyang was a winger in Arteta's formation, but drifts into CF during attacking phase. That's total football for you. Whats then important is the roles they perform for the manager.

So when I say it's the FBs (especially the RFB) that does the DM role for Arteta don't get me wrong.

Oga which one is at that instant again? Anything just to win argument sha. Imagine saying Ramsdale is a CB at that instant just because he came out of his box to clear a ball.

You're just twisting and turning. Everyone believes here that Partey is a DM, fabinho is DM, Rodri is a DM. We've seen it. I've given you proofs and witnesses yet you still no wan gree

I've explained, Android have explained, anfield.fan have explained, mos.tob have explained, yet you still dey drag. So make we just end am

I mean, let's just disagree to agree on this issue. Like I said, we'll never meet at a compromise

Spy360:
If Ndidi and Kante are DMs and Partey does not perform their roles, isn't it common sense that Partey is not playing as a DM?

Who told you Partey doesn't perform their roles? Partey performs Ndidi role to the fullest. Meanwhile Ndidi doesn't have the skillset to perform like Partey. Simple!

iamoyindamola:
Juve offering rabiot(permanent) and athur melo(loan) for gabu malganese

Make dem go sleep. People wey no give us Arthur on loan for January.

Plus our best CB for that matter. Make dem getat!!

iamoyindamola:
I just remembered sef
Na thunder go strike mari Aje
I watched highlight of that nurmberg match the werey was not conscious of his surroundings passes just they enter anyhow with little or no pressure
Juventus should buy him instead

Mari na eyesore for that match. That one na another waste of money

Spy360:
I don't get this secondary role stuff. There are two phases in a game. The attacking and the defending phases. When attacking the whole team is, so also when defending the whole team is. Can a CDM as you put it be defending when his team is attacking? Android 17 simply explained their roles when attacking and when defending. Nothing like primary and secondary roles.

He is stationed in just a way that he's deepest amongst all arsenal players. He's always at the back of Xhaka, Odegaard and the attackers. Once we lose possession and the forward press fails to win the ball, then Partey (who's at their back) will help to mitigate the opposition attack or recover possession.

I don't know whether you think if arsenal is attacking then Partey will always join them while leaving his base

Spy360:
RCM and LCM means waiting fa? Right Central ... What does that mean? You can say LAM or RAM not RCM please. C in CAM means central and that implies the middle of the pitch. But C in CM means one that performs both attacking and defending duties. Which we have both agreed Partey does for Arsenal. We may have known him to be a DM but is that what he is doing for Arsenal? If he does defensive duties alone, one can say he is a DM. But if he does both defensive and attacking duties then he is more than a DM, he is a CM.

RCM - Right center Midfielder
LCM - Left centre Midfielder
Cm - Central center Midfielder
CDM - Central Defensive Midfielder

RCM - they are mostly fixed to the right side and the movement and creativity is between right side to the centre of pitch (halfway before the left side) and upwards to the opposition goal
LCM - same as RCM but they're stationed at the left and their own zone is from centre of pitch to the left side
CM - they're combine the RCM and LCM role together. They're mostly stationed in the centre and can move along both sides of the pitch
CDM - they are stationed at the centre of the pitch and move along both sides of the pitch in order to intercept ball or tackle.


You suppose dey pay me for all these lectures wey I dey give you free of charge. Esp all these ones wey you no know and go dey form agidi

mostob:
I'm telling you...
Chelsea don sign Kuli and Raimi. They are going for Ake already.
Tottenham sef nor serious... immediately we paused, they paused too...

Lol, you see these ones. Dem no mind if dem finish 19th and we finish 20th. As far as say dem top us, they're happy

Spy360:
So why did you act surprised when I said FBs can play infield to cover DM. AMN did exactly that role in our FA cup win run. Xhaka often covers FB when Tierney pushes forward.

It is about time you apologize.

So in that case Tierney was a winger while Xhaka was a FB?

mostob:
Jodera and spy

This your argument ehn...
But there is one thing you guys are not taking into context here.... Skillset

Ndidi,Partey and Kante are DMs but all have different skillsets.
Arteta once play as a DM for us due to how good he was because of his ball distribution but guess what...our midfied always get overrun. Partey is a DM... However, his ability to pick out passes, hold the ball and distribute efficiently is what make him suitable for Arsenal.
Lokonga can distribute the ball but there is a reason he can't play that Partey role which is because his size and weight is too small

Partey I playing as a DM for us...Ndidi and Kante are good DMs too but they may not be suitable for Arsenal because they don't bring what Partey offers for us.
Partey is our DM

Thank you.
The thing is, it's the skillset that matters reason why I won't go for Ndidi or Kante to replace Partey in that lone DM role even though they're all DMs. The thing be say Spy no wan even agree say Partey, Rodri and Fabinho are all DMs and that DM roles have evolved. He's thinking DM is solely defined as dem Makalele dem— just tackling and winning balls. Finish.

And that's where he's wrong.

mostob:
I heard Edu is cooking but he don lock the door as per say our noisy neighbors (Spurs and Chelsea) dey do copy copy stuff.
Tieleman probably..


Bro, feel free to quote me. Remove the dot next time

Lol, make him food don fast oo, guys don dey hungry again. Cos the way other team's food dey scent, I don dey jealous


Lol, no mind me about the dot. I no wan unnecessarily give you mention cos I know say one way or the other you go still read am

[quote author=Spy360 post=114692976][/quote]Lol .. You're guilty as charged na. You don get 2 verified accusers

Spy360:
The bolded is simply the job of a DLP, so why say he is not? A DLP is seen in the buildout not when the entire team is defending or pressing.

Are you not seeing that he explained it as Fabinho secondary role? How could you ignore the primary role that An.field fan explain in the first paragraph just to pick on the secondary role just to name him DLP.

I mean, sometimes even Ben White plays good transition pass from defence to our attackers both short and long ones. Does that makes him DLP too? On many occasions I've seen Ramsdale given straight passes both long and short to Lacazette and Saka in Midfield and it was accurate. Is Ramsdale a DLP too?

Come on na Spy

Spy360:
Beloved Jodera, how does this makes my argument nothing? He is spot on except for that D in CDM. He could have easily said DM so why say CDM? Besides someone with the passing and IQ of a DLP is what he is no need to paint.

I see you don't really know that they meant the same thing. Lol.
This is funny sha.

Moreover, I saw how you subtly ignore how Android said Rodri is measured in terms of his DM role because City doesn't lack creativity even though he does the transitioning. That transitioning he does is his secondary role as his job is just to ensure the ball reaches his advanced Midfielders who are known for their creativity. His main job is just to ensure that any breakaway after beating their forward press by the opposition, he's on hand to mitigate or stop it.

You slyly ignored that and pounced on the secondary role he normally does to just label him a DLP.

Kudos to you!

Spy360:
It's interesting how you moved from DM to CDM. However you are still a bit far from the point. Take away that D and you are there. Why? Someone who both of us say performs both attacking and defensive roles shouldn't have a D to his position. It's simply CM.

In regards to what Anfieldfan and Android17 explained (which are correct) they are saying the same things with me, but they refuse to take away that same D which is making their point meaningless. Check my response to their posts for details.

Lol... Moved where? This is me saying CDM/DM even from our very first day we started this discussion

Jodera:
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If he's bought for anything other than CDM/DM, then he's welcome

Moreover, is a CDM not a DM? Central defensive midfielder. That is a DM that has all the zones to himself and isn't sharing his zone with anyone.

Odegaard and Xhaka are CM/AM but because they share one zone, then they'll be termed RCM/RAM (for Odegaard) and LCM (for Xhaka). With the R and L respectively meant right and left(just as C is for the central). It's the reason why you'll hardly see Odegaard at the left part of the pitch or Xhaka at the right part.

So boss, just know that CDM and DM means same thing. The C there is just the zone they occupy and nothing more

Spy360:
I beg your indulgence. Please have you read on total football which I recommended?
Because if you have you will not make the bolded at all.

New stuff? Lol. Don't tell me you are watching football of the cave men. Lol.

Total football? There's a reason why I don't want to talk about it cos it might make us digress from what we're talking about.

Almost all elite coaches presently uses total football. In fact, that's what is in vogue presently. Example — A striker dropping deep and acting as a Midfielder. A FB attacking high and playing as a winger. A winger playing Infield to score like a striker. Defence pushing upfield to play like Midfielders.

In a nutshell that's what total football is. But then, does that stops a defender being a defender or an attacker being an attacker.

Trent and Robertson have high assists and attack the box more. Does that stops them from being fullbacks?
Fabinho and Van dijk that sometimes covers for Arnold and Robertson when a counter attack wants to surface through their side, does that now makes fabinho and Van dijk a FB?

You see why I was always mute on that total football ish?

iamoyindamola:
This i can testify very true
Na why e they follow that mumu ndidi oldie

Fkforyou:
This thread was not like this, 3-4 years back.
Oyindamola used to abbreviate when typing , and was short tempered.

Spy was a softie that would lose focus when having an important argument immediately a chic steps into the thread.

But now, Omo!!! This thread dey give me joy these days.

This one funny me

Spy na true??

iamoyindamola:
I read torreira is going to roma instead of xhaka
They werey way suppose they update us with pictures just they do anyhow
I also read saliba is on verge of extending his contract, we are off martinez matter as ajax are looking for highest bidders

Lol, you still dey get hope say Xhaka go leave before Torreira. I mean both are like light and day. Torreira wants to leave while Xhaka now wants to stay. Plus e be like say Arteta just like Xhaka normally. As for me, the only way Xhaka won't see shirt is if arsenal buys someone to bench him.

Yeah, I also read that Saliba wants to extend his deal plus he's been given a new number (no.2). I don't know about Grimaldo but if he's good let's get him. And if we can get one more winger or Midfielder it'll be better. But I'll personally prefer winger. Loan or sell all of Pepe, Nelson and Niles. Give more game time to Partino and Sambi to play the number 8 role

iamoyindamola:
Na to drink water be that nau
Maybe money dan finish
But we get 2m change from 100m na

Lol, or maybe dem wan spring us another Viera surprise again

iamoyindamola:
Are we done with transfer?
Wetin they occur na

Roland17 that guy still they hoard training pictures, he deserves better beating

Na wetin I been dey ask Most.ob earlier oo. Hope say we never close shop for transfer laidis

Thank you Anfield.fan and Andr.oid17 for your thoughts, explanations and contributions. I really appreciate.

So Spy360, you see that at least a Liverpool and Manchester city fan have acknowledged that both Fabinho and Rodri are CDMs in their team with proper explanation. From both explanations, you'll notice that they still have some attacking role to play such as transitioning and build up but that doesn't negate that they're DM carrying out defensive duties.

If you even do a survey on this thread as well as other thread asking the role of Partey's this last season, you'll most likely receive the answer that he's a CDM.

That number 6 role needs someone who have high sense of intelligence in Defensive duties, beating of press and good attack something Odegaard, Xhaka Or Tielemans lack

eph12:
Rangnick was never going to get the job, he was strictly an interim. He was supposed to come in, stabilize the team, and make it easy for the next coach. He then realized that some of these players won't listen or are a lost cause. He could have just looked at a couple of these youngsters to groom, unless he was not interested in grooming any talent. In summary he had nothing to lose, Ole had

My reasoning was just the top4 that was at stake. The top4 really acted as a distraction not to use any youngsters not necessarily because he was aiming at the permanent job. But then I get your point, he would have at least used one or two when it was it looked like all hope was lost. I think towards the end sef, Rangnick even join looked lost

Ellexy:
You mean Illimitable aka coogar

Exactly who I meant

iamoyindamola:
Your Monika look like one I know
Are you related to jodera

Lol... Dem don nack me ban na

Ellexy:
Olesexuals is a word I haven't heard in a while... Dark times mehn

The person who even invented that word don even disappear again.

Man had so much hope in Rangnick that immediately Rangnick fall him hand, he disappeared as quickly as he appeared

eph12:
This is my only quarrel with Rangnick. He should have tried these young midfielder more last season. By now they would have stepped up much better

True tho.
But I think also you can forgive him due to how under pressure he was to deliver and result wasn't coming his way. Remember, you guys mathematically lost hope on top 4 like 3-4 weeks before the end of season. Using young boys by then means he'd have given up hope. There's a reason why he finally used Hannibal.

But as for Ole, he had all the chances and opportunities to integrate one or two boys into the midfield but he didn't. It was even so glaring at a certain point.

mostob:
might be their LB. Just saying....
We were in for Vitinha but na Fabio we later signed

Well, make we dey see sha.

Hope we aren't done with signings sha

Anfieldfan ... Would you call fabinho a DLP or a CDM in you guys 433.

Android17... Would you call Fernandinho a DLP or a CDM/DM during his time at Etihad.
Would you also say Rodri played as a DLP or CDM last season.


I would love to hear you guys humble opinion on this especially as you're the club in question supporter

Spy360:
The base player in most 433 formations are usually DM. But Pep, Klopp and Arteta don't use a DM instead they move a CB (in the case of Klopp) or FB (Pep, Arteta) into the DM position, while the others overload the final third. The base player becomes a play maker and creative hub for the team. (Alcantara, Keita and Fabinho for Liverpool, Fernandinho, Gundogan, Rodri for City, and Partey for Arsenal) This is total football which is practiced by the Cruff prodigees especially by Barcelona, Ajax, Man City and now Arsenal.

When they are defending everyone presses, while the CM covers the back 4.

In this particular tactics, the base or anchor if you like is not referred to as a DM but as a DLP or a CM. The difference is due to their roles and not necessarily the positions they cover in the line up or formation.

Go and read about total football tactics.

Oh now. Not only is Arteta not using Partey as DM role but it's now a FB that's playing our DM role? Interesting!!
Like Tierney or Tomiyasu acting as a DM? Wow!!... Real wow!!

In all my knowledge of football, I've never seen a DLP acting as an anchor.

This and many more of the reasons is why we can never ever agree on this issue. I'm just seeing new weird stuff everyday