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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:36pm On Aug 21, 2017
Lol actually, I think he will make the list.
AIG07:
I was about taking this list serious not until I saw Isaac Success name.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:27pm On Aug 21, 2017
Eagles List : Joel Obi, Esiti, Ifeanyi Matthew, Eze, Samuel, Rabiu Ali In, Uche Agbo Out – Reports
August 21, 2017064

Unconfirmed reports from highly respected Nigerian journalist Wale Ajayi has it that coach Gernot Rohr 29 man list for the Super Eagles game has been leaked to him.

Ajayi sent a mail to Owngoalnigeria.com with names of the players in the list, and the well travelled journalist listed Ifeanyi Matthew, Aaron Samuel, Joel Obi, Rabiu Ali and Joel Obi has been called up.

His list sent to our editorial desk also confirmed the axing of Uche Agbo as Gernot Rohr opt for FC Ifeanyi Ubah defender Stephen Eze as one of the local based players in the list.

See list

SUPER EAGLES 29-MAN LIST FOR CAMEROON

1. DANIEL AKPEYI
2. IKECHUKWU EZENWA
3. DELE AJIBOYE
4. DELE ALAMPASU
5. SHEHU ABDULLAHI
6. ELDERSON. ECHIEJILE
7. STEPHEN EZE
8. KENNETH OMERUO
9. LEON BALOGUN
10 TROOST EKONG
11 CHIDOZIE AWAZIEM

MIDFIELDERS

12 MIKEL AGU
13. MIKEL OBI
14 IFEANYI MATTHEW
15 JOHN OGU
16 ANDERSON ESITI
17 WILFRED NDIDI
18. OGENYI ONAZI
19. RABIU ALI
20. JOEL OBI

DONT MISS ==> Wenger Reveals Why Alex Iwobi Was Dropped From Arsenal Matchday Squad Against Bayern Munich
STRIKERS

21. ALEX. IWOBI
22 KELECHI IHEANACHO
23 KAYODE OLANREWAJU
24. ODION IGHALO
25 VICTOR. MOSES
26 AHMED MUSA
27 ISAAC SUCCESS
28 AARON SAMUEL
29. ANTHONY NWAKAEME

--OwnGoalNigeria
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:24pm On Aug 21, 2017
you don't have to respond if it does not apply to you. I've seen it a lot in this thread. I wasn't talking about you specifically, but that mindset.


TheGoodJoe:
Where did I write-off teams?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:56pm On Aug 21, 2017
Economic lol. Your point is still valid though.
goldfish80:
The skillful players you listed there are just 3 in the persons of Victor Moses, Iwobi and Moses Simon out of a possible 24-26 players.
Kelechi is not skillful anymore. They have coached it out of him at Man City. Mikel is Mikel, he's an economic player.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:51pm On Aug 21, 2017
You are most welcome
pyrex23:
ooo thanks
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:48pm On Aug 21, 2017
Very well said!!!

kennysville:
I see folks talk about power vs skill. Hmmmm. I think we need a blend of both and here is how I look at it.
The three main aspects of a team is attack, midfield and the defence. In the attack department, we need both power and skill. We dont want players who get marked out or bullied relying only on skill. It also depends on the formation we are playing. A 4-2-3-1 will mean we have a bull with brains as 9 and foxes as the 3 players behind the lone striker. A 4-4-2 will imply having both a bull and a fox as strikers while we have speedsters with quality delivery on the wings. (Not ahmed musa kind of delivery please!)

In the midfield, we need a super midfielder to run things. one that is skilled in the art of threading killer passes and has absolute concentration at all times paired with an equally gifted but physical holding midfielder. The central defender is definitely power and not skill as they can be muscled off the ball easily if we play skill. It can be costly playing skill in the defence. Power too in the defence can be dangerous but at least all aerial balls are gonna be taken care of.the wing backs need to be a blend of both power and skill to make quality decisions when under pressure.

Therefore in view of up coming match, we shouldnt be too afraid of cameroon. More importantly, we should play our game and blend together as a team regardless of whatever formation is being employed. The objectives of the coaching crew need to have been met in training and executed to perfection on match day. End of story! Question is what is our game plan?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:41pm On Aug 21, 2017
Thank you. We need loose sleep over any team. A healthy dose of confidence is necessary.

I don't care about past SE.

However my eyes will be on Mikel especially against Cameroon, as regards orchestration.


Icon4s:
It was sleek play and swift passes that we used to overcome Zambia in Ndola. Go watch some of the highlights again.

Go also watch Nigeria Vs Cameroon at the 2004 AFCON quarter final.

Go watch also Nigeria Vs Ivory Coast at the 2013 AFCON quarter finals.

As long as Mikel is in that AM position. I call him the orchestrator. He knows what to do with the ball and the attackers know how to play with him.

The Cameroon game would not be easy. But I am not loosing sleep over it.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:26pm On Aug 21, 2017
Good so don't write-off teams. That's what I call arrogance. If we were actually dominating teams, at least I will say that arrogance can be backed up. Most of the time -- if not all the time -- we can't back up our arrogance. We just make noise.

TheGoodJoe:
I wonder who said we have arrived. One of the common term thrown here is that we are still building. Rohr is not long in the job.

The fact remains that we are more of a creative team than a physical one.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:20pm On Aug 21, 2017
I've not said the contrary if you understood my post clearly. I'm saying let's argue based on the reality. There is some aspects of physicality in our game still.
This is our best game in the Rohr era, in my opinion. Victor Moses was the tormentor in chief. If I must sit on the fence analyzing that game, I would say Algeria troubled us. They missed some sitters. But a win is a win. We have not arrived at all.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_m64ISLoAM



TheGoodJoe:
In the Rohr era, we are still a passing team over a long ball direct route. Unless you have not watched us play under Rohr.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:00pm On Aug 21, 2017
Exactly my point.

goldfish80:
Obviously you know the drill here. We love making contributions based on platitudes. They want us to play like Arsenal against Cameroon and survive. When the buck that makes up our players don't play that system at their clubs not to talk of the national team.

We love living in denial in this country. That is why we are where we are politically and economically. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The same Nigerians you see in government are the same Nigerians you find on Nairaland. So what do you expect?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:58pm On Aug 21, 2017
You know I like to stick to the Rohr era in these discussions. Because he is still the coach. And the most likely thing to happen is what he has been doing with SE

TheGoodJoe:
We are more of a passing team than direct play. Our defenders also play a highline which is a direct proof of our team work play. Resorting to direct long ball play as against cohesive build-up play is actually us switching from the norm.

The call for us to rely on our speed/skill/build-up as against playing in a more physical fashion is a call to stick with what we are known to do.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:48pm On Aug 21, 2017
Try to trace the comment I replied to. You will see the portion that is in boldface. That is the part i'm making reference to when I say @ bolded
pyrex23:
plz wah does at bolded mean
been seeing dat on this thread since..
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:36pm On Aug 21, 2017
This is my fear for SE. I know some of us have been saying don't go physical if you want to beat Cameroon, because they would win that war.
I agree with that statement to some extent. Let me start from where I disagree.

If you say we should opt for more sleek play, speed blah blah etc. The question I have for you is will we learn all that style of play few days to the game? The truth is we are most likely to play our own game, the game that we have been seeing us play, and of course we should expect some tweaking here are there. Should Rohr decide to come with a whole new approach all together, what is the chance that we can master it few days going into the game? Does our game as it stand have some measure of physicality? Do we have excellent positioning, speed, and sleek passes? It's okay to judge from our best match in recent times -- Algeria match.

Let's get realistic and analyze ourselves based on when we have a full house. And then also talk about the adjustment we need to make, if we must stand a chance to beat Cameroon. Rohr rightly said what I've been saying. Cameroon after playing a considerable number of matches together have a better chance playing as a team than us. I'm not saying we will lose, but I'm saying many things point to their favor. Sleek play, cohesiveness etc are attributes mostly seen in teams that have played more together. Hence, Cameroon stand a higher chance of playing as a team than we do. I'm not expecting likes to this post because this is a Nigerian forum. But I will always say things as it is. Sentiments aside.

Modified
A coach can devise ways of beating a team using new tactics which can be mastered during training. But attributes likes sleek play, cohesiveness etc can't be mastered overnight.

Icon4s:
Are we going into a Rugby game?

What I mean is we have the calibre of players that can COPE with their physicality. we are not going into a physical battle with them.

All this all emphasis on physicality does not hold for me. If we rattle them with our sleek play and crisp touches and passes they may not finish the game with 11 players. Haha haha. Typical of them.

I think I would need a sleek player like Simon in this kind of game, even if it is second half.

Victor Moses is also sleek and strong in addition.

Mikel will definitely cope well if played in AM position.

Onazi as we all know is a kind of player for this occasion. He is a fighter in the midfield.

Iwobi may not be too physical but he makes up for it with his sleek passes.

Kayode if made to start if Iheanachp does not make it is also quick and sleek player.

We have a strong CB pairing of Eking and Balogun. And Ndidi must sit just on front of the duo.

Echiejile is not a newbie as far as African football is concerned. So I trust him to cope.

I dont know who will play RB but if it is Shehu I am not worried.

Bros me no fear o.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:24pm On Aug 21, 2017
Just put the stats. That's enough for any analytical mind. It becomes a hype when there is too much opinions. Stats speak louder.

AndreTAyodeji:
Joel Obi`s stat from the 76 minutes he played on the pitch yesternight:Pass accuracy of 88.1%, 5
interceptions, 5 long passes, 59 short
passes, 2 tackles won, 3 aerials won, 3 key passes, 1 assist. I am not hyping the guy oo but just impressed with him after his comeback from injury,hope he put his injury woes behind him and also keep playing well. Elsewhere Nura Abdullahi was on Roma`s bench yesterday but didn`t come on but i think he will get his chance in the cups and some other games.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:21pm On Aug 21, 2017
That's a more balanced viewpoint. Balogun and Moses were also missed big time.

AndreTAyodeji:
Mikel is a special,talented and intelligent player but i think it`s high time we stop blaming the S.A loss on the absence of Mikel from the team,Rohr himself bottled that game with his midfield selections,bad tactics,No Plan B and the atrocious long balls Onazi with a low passing accuracy was hitting to Nacho all game.Mikel`s experience would have been a major boost for the team in the game but he was unfortunately absent and we must learn to cope in his absence, Balogun would have done Mikel`s job from the back and also bring experience to the team,Victor Moses would have also silently done his own job bring experience to the frontline and effectively drag the team to victory.Now we know Onazi and Ndidi should never play together again,we saw what Ogu and Ndidi brought in the Senegal game and now i can`t wait to see what Ndidi and Joel Obi will bring to the team.The player i see close to Mikel right now is Joel Obi,dude offers you stabiliy in your midfield as he always keeps it simple,top notch pinpoint passing accuracy,pushing the team forward by starting attacks with the ball at his feet,excellent reading of the game,good positioning and a natural CM who also defensively does a job.However, he is still no where near Mikel`s leadership skills and experience but we can expect him to effectively replace Mikel on the football part while Balogun and co provides the team with experience and the leadership part.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:14pm On Aug 21, 2017
I like to wait for game time. Sentiments don't save you. It is what it is -- sentiments. Should he play for us although half fit? That's a decision the coach has to make. But let's not make it seem as if the rest of our players are really that bad.. Come on now!

junnyjake:
Thank you.

I wanted to respond to that, but then I laughed it off.

Nigeria is too big a team to allow just a single player determine how well the play. We all saw how Onazi's injury affected us against France in the 2014 WC.

We've been blessed with depth in our team, with numerous options in one position.

John Ogu can deputize for Mikel, and that can provide ndidi the opportunity to move upfront as much as he would love to.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:10pm On Aug 21, 2017
A half fit Mikel is not better than them.. That's a very disrespectful remark. And it is not a statement of fact. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it seem we overcome opponent at ease even with the presence of a FULLY fit Mikel. Na today Mikel start to dey play for us? We don't even have a great record to start with, even with a FULLY fit Mikel. Mikel is not Messi. He is not Ronaldo etc. Those are the kind of players that are indispensable even when they are half fit. It's an exaggeration to me. Mikel is good. And I mean that as a praise. But I'm not going to put him where he is not. #NoSentiments because I'm a Nigerian

TheGoodJoe:
Sentiments aside, we do not have any player in the class of Mikel in our team. Maybe in the future our young lads will carve their separate niches to excel but for now he is the only one who can bring that exceptional touch to the midfield.

His attributes of reading the game, both offensively and defensively, his simple but highly intelligent connective passes, his positioning and through passes is one of the assets of our team.

For now, no one from Esiti, Ndidi, Onazi, Ogu, Aluko, Ajagun, Ifeanyi Matthew, Nwobodo, C. Nwakali, K. Nwakali, J. Obi etc.

From the whole pack, we lack a player close to Mikel in intelligence and touches. I agree with safarigirl on this. We stand a better chance with sixty minutes of Mikel than none at all. He is a special player.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06pm On Aug 21, 2017
@ bolded. That's arrogance. Based on our head to head record with SA, I don't see that OVERWHELMING superiority. #fact

junnyjake:
I don't know what you mean by "arrogance"

Before our loss to SA, we've been unbeaten in all competitive encounters against them spanning a period well over two decades.

Tell me we had no edge going into that game. We had no right to feel confident when facing an inferior team.

SA no be our mate, and when we follow them go their house, na better flogging them go collect.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:11am On Aug 21, 2017
Nigerians are so arrogant.. I said this before SA disgraced us. Make Nigeria with Mikel no beat Cameroon first!!!

Thankfully Rohr said Cameroon is a better team. That's why I want him to succeed even if he were our opponent's coach. in life attitude is what counts.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 12:03am On Aug 21, 2017
Well he is a professional. You know most of our players like England Kpali.. na wa!!!

Danielnino00:
He should leave England,it could help..
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:57pm On Aug 20, 2017
You can blame Mikel's absence for the crash to SA, but it's just an opinion. Mikel is good, I repeat. And that's a praise based on how I understand that statement. However, Victor Moses has been our best player since 2016. #Fact. #NoExaggerations.

Modified
And let me add. Your previous statement is disrespectful to the other players I respect in that team. Even Mikel will never say that, and I'm sure he doesn't think that way. We've have lost games with Mikel present. Please!!!

safarigirl:
call it what you want, but virtually everyone knows that Mikel is indispensable in our team.Saying Mikel is 'good' is an insult to his immense contribution to the NT, so immense that our midfield crashed and burned against SA in his absence

Like I said, even if he can only play sixty minutes, he will be in that starting lineup, you can take that to the bank
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie:
I think most of it has to do with bad transfer choices. I have been following that class even before the UAE World Cup. I've never seen ANY Nigerian team in my life, subdue their opponents at will especially the way they did.

Iheanacho just has fitness issues. He is a very important player for Leicester. I still rate Isaac Success highly going by his previous exploits in La Liga. My verdict is that EPL is not the best for him.
The Belgian League just a tier higher than NPFL? Please!!! Awoniyi is beginning to live up to expectation.
Chidiebere Nwakali's stock is still rising. He scored today, and he has been on the rise. Chidiera Ezeh is in the Portguese first division. In fact he played a part in his club's last league game. Alampasu is now a second choice Keeper in the Portuguese top flight. I think you need to go a few pages back. I did a post on the whereabouts of the players from that class. I expect to see at least 3-5 players from that set up, go to Russia, should we qualify.

Let's take a look the previous U17 classes for comparison sake.

If memory serves me right,
our U17 set up from Japan '93, only had a few players that did AT LEAST okay in Europe, namely: Kanu Nwankwo, Wilson Oruma, Pascal Ojigwe and Celestine Babayaro. Only Kanu and Babayaro actually made their mark for SE.

The U17 class of 1995: James Obiorah. Had a few caps for SE but never established himself.

The U17 class of 2001: Opabunmi had a couple caps for SE. We all know about his health issue.

The U17 class of 2003: Obi Mikel and Chinedu Obasi

The U17 class of 2007: Lookman Haruna, Uche Okafor, and Rabiu Ibrahim. None of these players have really established themselves in Europe. But they have a few caps for SE

The U17 class of 2009: Onazi, Omeruo, Ajagun, and Kayode. Only 3 of which have played for SE. Hopefully at least 3 will make the cut to Russia.

From the above you will agree with me that the U17 class of 2013 has great promise. Its too early to talk about the U17 class of 2015. But mind you, we already have the likes of Victor Osimhen and Orji Okonkwo, proving to be the early bloomers from that class.

However, it would be wrong for you to make the progression of these players your yardstick for measuring our football development, because other countries like Brazil, Spain, Germany etc will still fail the test.

Although we would still arrive at the same conclusion, I would rather use our domestic league as a yardstick.



OMANBALA1:
Its apparent that the purported golden generation has almost failed to live up to their expectations. Iheanacho who is the the most promising is almost lost in the mix,Awoniyi is playing in what is barely a tier higher than NPFL,Isaac Success is languishing on the bench ,Nwakali is no where near his the pitch etc. Something is fundamentally wrong with our football development....Iheanacho is still struggling with his first touch which is grim. Our boys don't get the basics.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:07pm On Aug 20, 2017
He may be loaned to Hull. Clubs hardly field players that are not in their plans.

mumemma:
What is happeninng to Musa.....Even bench for Liecester her nor dey make.

Is he so unfit?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:06pm On Aug 20, 2017
Sentimental talk.
Mikel is good. But don't exaggerate.
And don't make our players look that useless.

safarigirl:
a half fit Mikel will walk on that pitch against Cameroon before anyone else

If we want to use fitness level to judge other players, there are exceptions. If Mikel can play, even if for sixty minutes, he will do more damage than many others for the whole ninety
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:15pm On Aug 20, 2017
He already has the don status. Arguably our best player.

do4luv14:
Y nobody talking about V.MOSES huh



abi him no play todayhuh
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:23pm On Aug 20, 2017
South Africa don't need CHAN.
Danielnino00:
The south African league is modelled after the European league (u know how they like to copy oyinbo). They just started the new season yesterday and most clubs refused to release players for the CHAN qualifier since it's not in FIFA calendar.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:21pm On Aug 19, 2017
shocked

tbaba1234:
Red Card for Awaziem for dangerous tackle
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 4:39pm On Aug 19, 2017
What's your own reason? Bonaventure has also contributed to lots of goals this season and has made the best 11 three times this season. Rumored to be attracting interest from the likes of Man U, City etc.

Both players are good. But when you say "more ready" then you have to say what makes one player better than the other.

maidaboi:
spot on sir
peter is more ready than denis
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 4:00pm On Aug 19, 2017
I beg make Una no label Komekn o

safarigirl:
haba, oga!

Who on this thread has ever considered Omeruo world class or even top class? Biko, sofri sofri with this kain talk.

And I wholly agree with icon4s, you only rate players who are English-born, even the German-born guys have been ridiculed by you just because they are not from the UK

Of course, you can defend and deny this all you want, but the facts speak for itself.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:58pm On Aug 19, 2017
Watching now. Thanks
BascoVanVeli:
Nigeria V Benin will be on Supersports 4pm naija time.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:31pm On Aug 19, 2017
Chinese Super League:

It's Anthony Ujah's Liaoning Versus Mikel's Tianjin Teda.
Both players start.
Lianoning 0-1 Teda (Half Time)

Shanghai Shenhua 0-1 Evergrande (Half Time)
Obafemi Martins starts for the home team
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:25pm On Aug 19, 2017
Nwakaeme goal versus Maribor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRVpPGNdtQ

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