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what has been the fate of the aforementioned quartet?
Agreed they have succeeded in going abroad and they will be more helpful to their families back in Nigeria.

But let's stick to the context here.

TheGoodJoe:
Players like Egwueke, Uzoenyi, Mba and Obaobona might not have left the Shores of this country if not Keshi's faith in the home based players. Egwueke's performance against South Africa when we went two goals down was amazing. He was virtually the only one in defence.

I have repeatedly said that the challenges Africans face in Europe makes it difficult for accelerated growth. So, judging players by their clubs is not an ideal situation to judge their talents.

okay you are right bro.

tbaba1234:
You said, No, he didn't play as a CB. That was false.

I wasn't denying it either. Mikel wasn't always at the CB if I saw correctly.
That Tedan team suck by the way.

tbaba1234:
Highlights, You will see mikel as CB


http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=196&v=1-G21ODg9t0

Exactly my reasoning.

Kog45:
Good point but no Nigerian player can meet this criteria.All we need now is a goal poacher.

That's only tactical. In reality, besides the Goal Keeper, players usually play more than one roles.
I believe Mikel has played as a CB in the past for Chelsea.

tbaba1234:
He started as a DM but also played CB.

No he played as a defensive midfielder in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Ideye played as the sole striker.

tbaba1234:
Mikel played as a Center back in China today for his team goalless draw.. Is that the next role for Mikel?

We need a complete number 9.. meaning
1. can take on any defender.
2. can convert from slightest chances (poacher).
3. can score from difficult positions (can create goals out of nothing)
At the moment I don't see any Nigerian player that can consistently do the above.

For now I think we can make do of a poacher, until we find that Ideal striker.
Let me add that I see great potential in Success/Iheanacho partnership. Watch U17 Nigeria vs Mexico group game

Success can muscle defenders and can create chances with ease... Iheanacho can finish

Kog45:
Ok.Pls what do u mean by 'Goals King' we have been waiting for

Kayode scored last weekend.
Don't also forget his UEFA Cup goals.

http://spotkik.com/2017/03/08/supereagles-radar-iheanacho-returns-adi-score-brace-kayode-sly-igbonu-score-kalu-success-fire-assists-omeruo-etebo-and-ebuehi-cautioned/

terzurum5:
8 League goals.

The last time he scored was in December last year.

http://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/4110/nigerians-abroad/2017/03/06/33358112/austria-wiens-kayode-scores-first-league-goal-in-three

My take is this. Some players are exceptional and it doesn't matter if they play at home or abroad. We cannot follow a general trend as regards how home based players do not eventually meet up to group all home based players as not ready to play for Nigeria until they prove themselves in Europe. I like what Rohr is doing. All the coach needs to do is watch NPFL games. A coach will know a star when he sees one irrespective of where the player plays. I think the solution to our defense problem is in the domestic league. Because many of our domestic defenders have not been going to Europe over the years compared to their counterparts in the other departments of play. The likes of Oboabona provided a short term solution. At least that's good enough to help us qualify for the world cup.

#SuperEagles Radar: Iheanacho Returns. Adi Score Brace. Kayode, Sly Igbonu Score. Kalu, Success fire Assists. Omeruo, Etebo and Ebuehi Cautioned.

SPOTKIK TEAM OF THE WEEK (MAR ’17 WEEK 1)

As the MLS League starts, we bring to you a summary of the American top tier 22nd season as well as we start to present performances from the Greek Super League. Here is our team of the week based on the best performances put up by Nigerians all across Europe and America. Our player of the week goes to Fenando Adi for his involvement in all goals scored by Portland Timbers against MLS new entrants, Minesota United.

We adopt Gernot Rohr’s favorite formation, the 4-2-3-1, in our pick.


AUSTRIA (ROUND 24)

Reid 0-3 Austria Vienna
Austria Vienna maintained their great away record, winning on the road to Reid, with Olarenwaju Kayode scoring their second goal in the 44th minute. The goal was Kayode’s eight this season. Austria Vienna has a better away record compared to their home record going by their last 5 home and away games. Vienna has won 4 out of their last 5 away games, but have only secured two home wins out of their last five, to put them within the European qualification zone with their third position in the Tipoco Bundesliga league ranking.

http://spotkik.com/2017/03/08/supereagles-radar-iheanacho-returns-adi-score-brace-kayode-sly-igbonu-score-kalu-success-fire-assists-omeruo-etebo-and-ebuehi-cautioned/

You are dismissing Adi because he is 26 and does not have a superior goals tally compared to Ideye?
So what is your yardstick for picking our number 9 is my question. What should they bring to the table? And when does the said player deserve the chance besides current form and ability to score consistently?

What's your yardstick really, considering this field position in question? And nobody said Ideye was better. my point is you will never know if Adi can score unless you cap him PERIOD. The fact is Ideye has not delivered for SE in that department.

we need a poacher.. I don't care how he puts the ball in the net.. Adi seems like he could be a good support striker as well.

edi287:
Stats is incomplete. Ideye's career total is 141 in 348. 97 in the league alone excluding his naija league days. Adi has 75 league goals. It's a no brainer...it's laughable to even consider Adi better than Ideye.

Ideye does not replicate his club form (goals) when playing for the Super Eagles. While Ighalo was banging goals for Watford, how many did he score for Nigeria. Some players do better nationally, others do better at their clubs.. yet, others show same class for club and country. How do you get to compare what they can do for the SE when Adi hasn't been giving and equal chance. A player isn't necessarily doomed just because they play for an inferior league. He has the stats that deserves he should also get a chance. It's unfair to write off any player who is at least making a case.. potential doesn't necessarily have to do with age. A player who does not have a single cap doesn't bring anything new to the table? you still haven't answered my question. What do you want him to bring besides goals. And how can he prove that if he is not capped? What do you expect Osihmen to bring? dribbles?

Even if Adi's stats where better, you would say he plays in the MLS.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/98826/History/Fanendo-Adi

Ideye's stats:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/36521/History/Brown-Ideye
+ 13 goals current season

So how did you do your calculation?

edi287:
His numbers aren't better than that of Ideye despite playing in the MLS. So why bring him in? If we're talking about "potential", we should be talking of Osimhen and Issac Success, not a 26 year old Adi. Not saying he is too old, but he just doesn't bring anything new to the table.

Okay bro..
I think we are packed with DMs at the moment..versatile ones for that matter.. Another reason why I think the 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 will favor us.

Icon79:
Yeah, Etebo was massive against Japan. But in the other games, Azubuike was the dude running things in the middle.

The man in the middle, that's what we nicknamed him during that tourney. In fact, based on his performance during the tournament, I rated him our best DM since Sunday Oliseh. Let's hope he could reproduce that in the Super Eagles when he's given a chance.

O pari

wow.. I have to go watch the olympic matches.. because all I was hearing was Mikel Mikel Mikel. Although Etebo impressed me the most before his injury.

Icon79:
Oh yes, he was our best player actually, IMHO. In fact, I still believe that the reason why we lost to Germany was because of the silly yellow card he got in the dying minute of quarter finals game. I think that was his 3rd yellow in the tournament so he had to miss the semi finals crash with Germany. And in my opinion, that's what cost us the match.

Onyekuru should be in the SE. All sentiments aside. Nobody is saying he must start. And who should we drop? Let the training determine.. I believe he can battle both Musa and Simon.

tbaba1234:
Watch Onyekuru play and your opinion will change. Hopefully, he keeps up his form. The jury is still out on Ebuehi. Good player though.

Thankfully, Bazee was not born in 9ja otherwise his age would be debated. I have watched him play, very European kind of winger, lots of pace but does not keep possession that well. Not sure, he is ready for the Eagles.

Did Azubuike start at the olympics? I didn't see much of him really. Maybe it's just because I did not watch the olympic qualifiers.
Where does he play? In the Turkish 2nd tier?

Icon79:
Actually, I do rate Azubuike ahead of both Onazi and Ndidi.


O pari

I'm not going to contest Musa's worth. But I believe in current form. And if we should go by that, he has not business in the Super Eagles at the moment.

forgiveness:
Honestly speaking, some of our players are becoming redundant in their club these days because they feel national team is a sure Banker.


That is very bad for the national team. Musa needs to buckle up else Onyekuru and Aluko are coming for him.

We don't get goals from Ighalo and Ideye. He has the POTENTIAL of bringing that. Or what else do you want him to bring?

edi287:
All I'm saying is based on what I've seen from him, he doesn't bring anything that we don't get from Ighalo and Ideye. We have Nacho who can play as a 9 as well.

same here!

I think Success and Joel Obi need to move to other leagues.
Players prone to injury should not opt for physical leagues like EPL and Serie A. At least it reduces the incidences.

Geestunnar:
I would love to see him in spain though

Adi is a pure number 9.. All he needs to do is get the ball in goal. you don't have to be classy about it..
He put's the necessary effort.. Nothing extra. What is a number 9 for? We are looking for a number 9. Try him, as long as he has the confidence to score consistently.

edi287:
What stats?? So you think because Adi is scoring in the MLS which Bradley Wright Phillips scored 31 goals means he's better than Kayode and Aaron Samuel?? I've watched Adi and he's nothing special. I know Aaron Samuel is a better than he is. Dude will probably be another Peter Ijeh if we invited him.

Onyekuru is the truth.
I think he should move to France or Spain.. somewhere he can establish more and express himself.
He could also do well in England.. He has speed and plays with his head, unlike Musa.

Geestunnar:
He has the making of a world class player, the assist was the real. Thumbs up to him

If he keeps up churning out these kind of performances weekly, I am quite certain a better club will snap him up in the summer not Celtic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqduMDMH3lE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdKLWmmdxs

maidaboi:
any body with his video highlight pls

Contrary to reports in various Nigerian football websites, the only player that received a debut invitation among the 25 players picked by Super Eagles coach, Gernot Rohr to prosecute Nigeria’s international friendlies this month, is Noah Joel Sarenren Bazee. The likes of Victor Osimhen, Tyrone Ebuehi and Isaac Success have all been earlier invited by the Franco-German tactician, although they were not capped eventually.

Hence, we will start our analysis by sharing some statistics of the Germany-born player, and consider why he is expected to add some bite and provide options in the Super Eagles attack formation...

http://spotkik.com/2017/03/01/the-analysis-rohrs-new-pick-noah-joel-bazee/
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according to whoscored.com stats, at the moment Echiejile is the weakest link in their back line if not for Rodiquez's own goal.
He is one of the lowest rated in the pitch.

tbaba1234:
Elderson is a baller but we have no good substitute for now.

My point is Osihmen has not had playing opportunities due to injury since officially signing for Wolfsburg (which happened recently).
It's too premature for anyone to talk about managerial changes already affecting him.

tbaba1234:
He has said it several times before about how the changing of coaches affected his opportunities so i am inclined to think, he could have said it again. Owngoal is not always false news.

I read the earlier warning from Chistantus.
But how are we sure he he said something again? it's too premature. Osihmen is just recovering from injury. owngoal likes making up stories to follow concrete stories. doesnt make it real news

tbaba1234:
This is not the first time that Christantus has complained about this..

it's just the way most Nigerians are. We hardly respect ourselves

Icon4s:
It was only Okocha and Kanu that I know got the farewell they deserved. Others even Keshi were almost pushed and booed out of the team. They were tagged 'old tired legs'. Keshi as a big boss just retired jeje. Finidi and Oliseh were disgraced out. Yakubu, even with all the good times he had with our national was shamed out due to that miss against Korea Rep. U saw how Oliseh treated Enyeama, our all time best goalie. The list continues.

most likely, fake news

Icon4s:
May what befell you, Chrisantus, not befall Osimhen.

So na because dem change coach for ur club 3 times na him make u lose form?

Peter Utaka.. Thank you so much!

goldfish80:
Your point about Obafemi is well constructed,I totally agree.
However,if we're to consider Obafemi, I think we should also consider Peter Utaka.

Back in the day when he was still playing Street football in Nigeria a lot of us were of the opinion he was the more talented Utaka.

Putting it in perspective, this guy have won the top scorer in each of the 4 countries he has played.
Just last year he won the top scorer in Japan. Mind you, the Japanese league is the best league in Asia. The Japs usually win the Asia champions league.

I will certainly look his way if we are looking for a joker

great observation

goldfish80:
I mentioned Kingsley Madu because I believe in his talent, having watched him closely on his debut against Tanzania away. Bagging man of the match award on your debut in a high pressure Afcon qualifier away from home says a lot about his abilities.
Aluko on the wings defends well. I believe he can cope just like Moses is doing at the right these days.

Ndidi should be the last person to be considered on the wing back position. For some reasons, I see Ndidi dropping back to the Centre back in the near future.
I honest see him metamorphysing into a world class CB after horning his skills as a DM.

Good suggestion.
Mine was just an example. Madu is just now starting to play. but let's see what happens when preferred LB returns in Waregem. Aluko cannot defend. correct me if i'm wrong.

I suggest, Moses can play left wing back as well.
Can't Ndidi play Right wing back?

it is a supporting role, not a dedicated role

goldfish80:
Nice analysis on the 3-5-2 formation. The back 3 quickly disolves into a back five when defending. However, I will choose Aluko or Kingsley Madu in place of Ndidi at LWB.
Although Aluko will be my first choice. In the wing back position, you need fast runners who can fall back when defending and quickly push up to support the attack.

The closest we have to Danny Rose and Alonso are Aluko and Kingsley Madu. If you watch the Ngr Vs Tanzania game in Daresalam, Kingsley Madu showed a lot of promise in that LwB role. He was named the man of the match.
Aluko have the speed and grit to defend and speed to run deep from the wings.

Icon4s, I think Egypt and Morocco used this formation at the Just concluded Afcon.

If you read my post carefully, you will notice, "FOR EXAMPLE".

My main purpose was to analyze the formation.

And by saying 3-4-3 is Rohr's second choice formation, that already tells you the players are most likely already familiar with that formation in training. Just as I think it was in Chelsea's situation. They didn't just wake up to change formation one day.

Icon4s:
See, I understand the dynamics of those 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 formations.

As I always say club conditions and national team conditions are always different especially here in Africa.

1. The pitch and weather conditions at Stamford bridge for eg is not same as what we have in Uyo. The 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 formation requires a high work rate from the wing backs. If u expect Moses to run for 90mins on that Uyo pitch the same way he does at Stamford bridge or any other stadium in Europe then u are in for a long thing.

2. The level of discipline exhibited by our players at club level is far different from what they exhibit when they wear our colors. That formation requires serious discipline, team cohesion and understanding. The national players do not have enough time to master the formation.

You are putting Ndidi as a wing back while u forgot his near catastrophic outing in Ndola.