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Icon4s:
So you think the Cameroonian team will surely improve after this AFCON huh-huh?

Icon4s:
Joebie, talking about world class, name a world class player in that Cameroonian team.

TheSuperNerd:
By who exactly?? And I speak of that CMF role.... Not the no.10 role... Who can replace Mikel "super-comforably" (note the word "super".

Kelechi Nwakali?? Alex Iwobi?? John Ogu?? Who??
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Our team is young and the only world class players I can point to are Mikel and...... Oops... Just Mikel.

Victor Moses' super form and class just began this season. He needs to repeat same for the next few years to become fully world class... But he does function like a world class player now BUT I CANNOT TERM HIM WORLD CLASS YET as much as I would love to to show our Super Eagles isn't a bunch of rag-tags...


In Kelechi Iheanacho, Alex Iwobi, Wilfred Ndidi and even Isaac Success... We have potential world class players...

In Troost Ekong, we have a defender rated as one of the very best (the top 5-10) in scandinavian europe before he joined Gent...

In Wilfred Ndidi, we have a fast-rising super performer in the DMF role. A player who floored Pogba in the EPL when their teams clashed. Onazi should be scared....

Our team is "NOT THERE YET" (Cc: Sir Icon4s)

It's a whole new generation...

I am sure back in 1990 and 1992, you wouldn't have termed the likes of Yekini and Finidi as world class.

TheGoodJoe:

A player who is not World Class can not do what Mikel did against Spain. Mikel set the whole world talking. Even Bleacherreport did a full article after the game about Mikel. Extravagance is not all the ten role is about. Mikel brings a class of maturity and intelligence you can hardly find in the game. He is a pure genius. If not the faith Big Boss Keshi had in Mikel we would not even have this discussion. And, Yes, Mikel is among the all time greats of the Super Eagles. Why do you think Okocha retired early when he still had so much football in him? He trusted the young Mikel to carry the touch on and the young man delivered.

TheSuperNerd:
Mikel is actually World class.... Name any other African midfielder today who can stand in Mikel's class apart from Yaya Toure.... Who?? Wanyama?? Ndidi?? Kessie?? Who naa?? Siani?? Kouyate?? Who??

And Mikel is not limited to the no.10 role... He also plays as the CMF of the team... The major engine room... Sometimes, he is a deep-lying playmaker like we saw at Afcon 2013.

Mikel is practically a midfield boss. Against Xavi and Iniesta at Fifa confed cup 2013, he was the boss on the day. Did you watch that game?? Na wa oooo....


@first bolded... If you've been following this thread, you'll know how long I have been following... Clue: Indomiegeneration at your service...

Football analysis is not in years of followership alone but in a deep-seated knowledge of the game that spans generations......


@second bolded.... Hahahahahahaha... Mikel is not just in top 10, he is in top 3-5.... #fact If you don't like it... Go tell Odegbami, Ehilegbu, Henry Nwosu, And co to pick up their boots and start playing again so as to surpass Mikel's legend...

TheGoodJoe:

That is you but we are talking about a player who has stood out in recent years in African football. Nominated for the African footballer of the year and lost it to Yaya Toure who was in blistering form. We are talking of a player that stood out in the AFCON against Cote I'voire with the likes of Yaya Toure, Drogba and Gervinho on the field. Mikel's nicking the ball off Yaya towards the end of the match was one of the highlights of the tournament. We are not even talking about his Olympics performance.

TheSuperNerd:
It is not about Agreement... It is about Facts...

Show us facts showing that Mikel is overrated and not relevant to the Super Eagles or have never been relevant. We are waiting for you...

Some arguments have no absolutes so can attract different stands and facts stated from various angles.

Some other arguments are based on what we fancy and a bit of bias.

Some others are based on generic opinions and many many more.


But this, on Mikel is an absurd argument.

TheSuperNerd:
Then show us the logics in your saying he cannot dictate a game's tempo, and that he can be benched by ndidi or that he is overrated...

Show us with facts... Show us with reference to his performances in the Green and White.

TheSuperNerd:
It's obvious what your agenda on this thread is okay... So save yourself the stress.

Mikel not among our all-time greats??... Lolll... Oga... Just say this, "I hate Mikel, he's not good jare... Wetin una see in that lad sef"

That way we would not be deceiving ourselves thinking we are having a healthy discourse on Mikel coz we are not... You just don't fancy the guy. Period.

TheSuperNerd:
Saying your comments reek of IGNORANCE IS NOT AN INSULT mister....

You don't think you can just jump in here and start rambling without Facts and stats about Mikel's non-relevance to the Super Eagles and you think some of us would just keep quiet.

So mister... Your comment is Ignorance-laden and there's no insult intended in stating what is truthful about your comments.

TheSuperNerd:
Had Mikel had a bad game in any of the WCQs games so far?? Had Mikel ever had a below 7-8 over 10 performance in any of those games??

Also when he picked up MOTM awards three times en route to Afcon glory in 2013, you didn't come out and talk then... *smh*

And what do you mean by "Standard of the Super Eagles"?? Insinuating we are bunch of rag-tags??

Icon4s:
Even with the defense we put up against Algeria, I believe we will beat that Cameroonian team in Uyo. Idowu or no Idowu or Ebuehi.

We just need our attacking midfielders to come to the party and the pressure will be on the Cameroonians. Get Iheanacho in good scoring positions and the Cameroonians will see wonders. We will unleash Etebo, Iwobi and Moses as AM/Wingers in that game and let me see whether that there defense will not crumble.

Though I have not rated this team that highly but I still believe in their abilities.

This team can get at least 3pt from that clash.

TheGoodJoe:

What about the repeated man of the match he won during the AFCON? The only reason why Mikel did not get celebrated in World Football is because he played a conservative role. He shone under Keshi because the Big boss gave him a creative platform to express his abilities and Mikel did not let the Big Boss down.

TheSuperNerd:
You obviously haven't watched Mikel extensively in the Green and white.

Your comment on him unable to dictate the tempo of a game reeks of ignorance I cannot comprehend.

TheGoodJoe:

Are you sure you have watched Mikel ever, to use the term overrated or dictate Tempo. Over the last few years, Mikel has clearly been our standout player. All through the AFCON, Qualifiers for the World Cup and Confederation Cup. He was the base of our play, the vision that steered the direction of the team. A player who shone at the AFCON and stood out in a midfield against the European and World Champions, Spain.

As far as I am concerned, he is even one of the most overrated players in football.

TheSuperNerd:
Yeah... Yeah... Remind me what role Mikel played again in Ndola?

Mikel is overrated okay.... EOD. Happy now?

Now just lay it down....... I think you seek a cheap argument. Mikel is "indeed" overrated

PROVERBZ:
what do you think about Stephen odey of mfm for me he is better than most of all this German and english players with Nigerian roots we are going after

his coach already said his better than messi and christiano Ronaldo

he is one to keep an eye on for possible super eagles call up

Icon4s:
We took part in the 2014 WC yet Congo PR trashed us a few weeks later.

I agree with you. Match day is match day.

TheSuperNerd:
I leave thee in the hands of Safarigirl and theGoodJoe....

For the bolded... I will just pretend you never quoted me or else....

Icon4s:
I can categorically tell you that that does not matter.

TheSuperNerd:
Mikel and Ndidi don't play the same role for the Super Eagles.

TheSuperNerd:
Watch out for "the Rock" come august and september... Against the most expensive midfielder and player of all time, HE STOOD AS A KING IN THE MIDFIELD....

Little wonder he was MOTM in a game leicester fell 0-3 to Man Utd. It's rare for a player from a team who lost 0-3 to scoop MAN OF THE MATCH AWARD, isn't it? **this is according to a few reports I got... Missed the post-match interviews. Knew he was BBC leicester MOTM, but was he overall MOTM too?** <scratches head> Anyway, point is... Ndidi in our midfield should scare the Camerounian midfield kinda... Not even to mention Lord Mikel...


#superLegendaryBattle on the horizon #NgaCam
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Ndidi Made Pogba A Passenger In The Midfield, The Boy Is Good – Gary Neville


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Manchester United legend Gary Neville has
saluted the performances of Nigerian midfielder
Wilfred Ndidi despite the 0-3 loss suffered by
Leicester City in the hands of Neville’s former club Manchester United.

Neville who was in the studio as a pundit during the course of the game, praised the Nigerian for keeping the world most expensive player Paul Pogba silent for the entire duration of the game.

Ndidi who was voted Leicester City man of the
match by the BBC made a good impression on
the former Valencia boss, who described his
performance as near perfect.

”I can’t fault his (Ndidi) performance, he was
very big in the game. He made Pogba a
passenger in the middle. The boy is good in
tackles and he is not afraid of running with the
ball either”, Neville said.

”He got Pogba booked and was fouled severally, that said I can’t remember when he fouled any opponent. He did well despite how poor his team were on the day”.


Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/02/07/ndidi-made-pogba-a-passenger-in-the-midfield-the-boy-is-good-gary-neville/

UNIQUEISRAEL:
Is that your take?

Icon4s:
Rustiness?

Will Cameroun continue playing every week till the WC qualifiers in August?

We have a friendly in march and AFCON qualifiers in June just like Cameroun too. So which one bring rustiness on our own side?

My view has remained that August is 6months away. That is a very long time for a lot to have changed. What matters most is the form of the teams as at the time the games are to be played.

safarigirl:
Nigeria seemed lucky? In what way?

We played Cote d'Ivoire in the QF, we won them 2-1. Cameroon played Senegal and only defeated them via penalties

We went on to play Mali, another strong West African team, Top 5 in Africa then, I think.....we DESTROYED them 4-1. Cameroon played Ghana, wobble and fumble Ghana, and won 2-0.

We played Burkina Faso in finals and won them 1-0. Cameroon played a stronger Egypt and won them 2-1

So, how did we get lucky when we always finished our games in regular time?

komekn:
Chelsea is strange situation one time Afcon best player Atsu has never even smelled the first team at Chelsea.

Lukaku as good as he was don't think he even started one game for Chelsea he is currently the top goal scorer in the premiership.

Rueben Loftus-Cheek would be a regular in most teams including Arsenal, Manchester United and City but he is a bench warmer at Chelsea.

If. KC Kelechi was at Chelsea he would probably be a bench warmer. If Ademola was at Chelsea he will struggle to be in the U23's.

What I am saying there is a huge pool of talent to consider the idea that because some are not regulars first team players at for instance Chelsea implies that they are unproven or not good enough is not necessarily true.

Icon4s:
It was Guinea-Bissau and not Equatorial Guinea.

As at the group stage and even quarter finals I can bet even you did not expect Cameroun to win the trophy.

On paper and even as per performance as at quarter finals there were so many teams better than Cameroun. When people started taking

Cameroun serious was after they ousted favorites Senegal.

Cameroun even finished second behind Burkina Faso. You saw how they labored to beat Guinea-Bissau. Coming from a goal down at half time and scoring 2 late goals. No pundit, I repeat no pundit(even the Cameroonians) at that stage would tip such a Cameroonian team to win the trophy.

Anything can happen in football. Cameroun won. Congrats to them.

terzurum5:
Rohr Admits – Cameroon Have A Good Goalkepper And A Strong Line Of Defence

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Coach of the Super Eagles of Nigeria Gernot Rohr says the goalkepper of Cameroon and the defence of the team impressed him the most during their run to the AFCON title.


Rohr who worked as a TV pundit during the tournament in Gabon made this known during his post match analysis on the strength of the Cameroonian team.


” They are very organised at the back, they defend very deep and give opponent little time to dwell on the ball. They are also not scared of getting into duels”, he said on BeIN TV.


” I think their goalkepper ( Fabrice Ondoa) was also one of the best at the tournament, he was there when he needed to be for his team. They have a strong line of defence and a good goalkepper.


” You can’t say they don’t deserve to win the title, judging by how well they played as the tournament progresses, they found their rhythm late into the tournament and it worked for them in the final”.

owngoalnigeria.com/2017/02/06/rohr-admits-cameroon-have-a-good-goalkepper-and-a-strong-line-of-defence/

UNIQUEISRAEL:
Nigeria technical adviser, Gernot Rohr has invited 24 players for 2018 World Cup qualifier clash against Algeria at the Godswill Akpabio Stadium in Uyo billed for November 12.

The Super Eagles got their Russia 2018 campaign to a winning start when they beat Zambia 2-1 in Ndola earlier this month, and the tactician will be hoping to continue in that form against the Desert Warriors.

Manchester City’s Kelechi Iheanacho and Arsenal’s Alex Iwobi were instrumental to the three-time African champions’ victory in Zambia, and they return for the clash against the north Africans.

Making the coach’s list for the first time are Hapoer Be’er Sheva’s John Ogu and Oghenekaro Etebo, who won bronze medal with the Nigeria U23 national team in Brazil.

Watford’s Odion Ighalo also returns to the team after missing the last trip due to his father’s burial and in-form Chelsea winger, Victor Moses has also been invited for the encounter.

Invited players are expected to start arriving in Abuja on Sunday November 6.

FULL LIST:

Goalkeepers : Carl Ikeme (Wolverhampton Wanderers, England); Ikechukwu Ezenwa (FC IfeanyiUbah); Dele Alampasu (FC Cesarense, Portugal)

Defenders: Leon Balogun (FSV Mainz 05, Germany); William Paul Ekong (Haugesund FC, Norway); Kenneth Omeruo (Alanyaspor FC, Turkey); Uche Henry Agbo (Granada FC, Spain); Tyrone Ebuehi (ADO Den Haag, The Netherlands); Abdullahi Shehu (Anorthosis Famagusta, Cyprus); Musa Muhammed (Istanbul Basaksehir, Turkey); Elderson Echiejile (Standard Liege, Belgium), Kingsley Madu (SV Zulte Waregem, Belgium)

Midfielders: Mikel John Obi (Chelsea FC, England); Ogenyi Onazi (Trabzonspor FC, Turkey); Wilfred Ndidi (KRC Genk, Belgium); Oghenekaro Etebo (CD Feirense, Portugal); John Ogu (Hapoel Be’er Sheva, Israel)

Forwards: Ahmed Musa (Leicester City, England); Kelechi Iheanacho (Manchester City, England); Moses Simon (KAA Gent, Belgium); Victor Moses (Chelsea FC, England); Odion Ighalo (Watford FC, England); Brown Ideye (Olympiacos FC, Greece); Alex Iwobi (Arsenal FC, England)