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shidof:
I can see that you're really pained kid. You're so pained that you can't even defend yourself again, instead you started throwing tantrums around so that we can accept your baseless assumptions. You can't win in a logical discussion of this nature. Cover your shameless face with tears and run to meet your sheep. They're are the only one that can digest all this your lies and rubbish without doing their own research.

know nothing shidof, once again, quote the lies and rubbish, oh coward and false accuser:

rev 21:8 But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.

the gibberish of comrades in belief. so called jehovah's witness and lover of islam:

shidof: Cos it's illogical. They won't have a valid answer

Janosky: 3 Gods Polytheists & Trinity devotees pretending to be Christians won't have a valid answer for you.

shidof:
lol! No matter how hard you try to prove this. You will always end up confusing yourself even with scriptures because I'll give you a 1001 contradictory scriptures from the Bible as well

a fool doesn't know the bible and believes there are contradictions there
and yet you use it
there are no contradictions in God's word, there are some poor translations
and there is lack of understanding, which you and fraud jw suffer from big time

Janosky:
LYING Pastor WAILING upandan

John W post @5:08am,on 1st October, 2021.
johnw47:

before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


fraud jw janosky

see how in every post you cannot stop lying like your father the devil
even repeating the old lies of tatime maximus69 and stinky roslyn that i'm a pastor
of some church, and not just a pastor but a false pastor, don't forget that bit oh lover of lies

and you people think you are God's people, so funny, u so deluded

you habitually lie because you have no truth to say and because lying is embedded in you

u a big liar like your daddy:

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


oh duh forever confused fraud, of course Wisdom always existed in God, and of course
God bought His Wisdom/His Holy Spirit also called The Word of God and who became The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
out of himself to be a separate person with God, proverbs 8:22-25 and to verse 30

you false jw are as big a duh as your comrade and islam lover shidof, aren't you dum dum


quote my lies oh fraud and i will show you yet again your confusion and false accusing
you people just talk from the head, from the voices there, and from what you are told to believe
and from what is printed in your magazines

shidof:
I stop quoting you because you're contradicting and confusing yourself including opposing the Bible as well. Check all the Bible verses I posted where it was stated that Jesus isn't God and Even from Jesus Christ mouth itself where he denied being God when he was asked. If you can deny that those verses aren't in the Bible or not the word of Jesus Christ then I'll accept all your lies, incoherent and illogical epistles

dope, you still cannot post the quotes where i'm contradicting
confusing, opposing the bible, lying and incoherent with illogical epistles

you just a big liar and false accuser like the fales jw's

go to islam forum or forum for dummies, you might understand something there

cowards fraud jw janosky and fellow know nothing shidof, u still cannot quote me
but just post the lies you hear from the voices in your head:

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

shidof:
The guy is just confusing himself and ascertain my earlier submission that Jesus isn't God with all his illogical and incoherent epistle. 3 in 1 Gods. Lmfao

dum dum shidof, u still joining fraud jw janosky at laughing at your own confusion and lies:

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



and like fraud jw you still haven't shown where i said the man Jesus is God
when i in fact said the man Jesus is the son of God, and His spirit is The Word of God

and you like fraud jw still haven't shown where i said anything about 3 in 1 god's

see how you islamic shidof and false jehovah's witness janosky are heap big liars
tells us a lot about who your god is:


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

shidof:
You're still throwing out illogical jibe.

dum dum shidof, point out the illogical jibe in my post:

johnw47: The Word of God did, who became the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word of God:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


you don't know God's word/the bible at all, you should try preaching islam, but not to me

shidof: Are you saying that before the coming of Jesus Christ. What we had was just the Word of God, that we don't have God until when the Word of God metamorphosis to God which is Jesus Christ. Lol

fancy laughing at your own ridiculous confusion:

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



u so dum, you read my straight forward post and don't know what i'm saying, read again, and perhaps u will know what i said, but i seriously doubt it

u r like fraud jw as dum as they cum, ever reading but never understanding

but then what hope have you, you believe islam is perfect, and fraud jw believes his gb is perfect

birds of a feather, dummies together

shidof:
I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind.
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

The Word of God did, who became the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word of God:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


you don't know God's word/the bible at all, you should try preaching islam, but not to me

Janosky:
John W have said his own version of Jesus is God in the flesh.
Confused 3 Gods Polytheist.

dum as they cum fraud jw janosky

God in the flesh = God became flesh
it's true, The Word of God stripped Himself of His Divinity and became Man

quote me where i have three gods oh cannot stop lying fraud

but u oh polytheist have 2 god's, a almighty god jehovah and a mighty god jesus, oh most dum one
a almighty god jehovah and a mighty angelic being michael, funny

forever the habitual liar and false accuser:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
Your Bible disagrees
Colossians 1:15, Why would Jesus Christ be the first born of EVERY creature when millions of people have lived & died on earth before his birth in the flesh?

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

fraud jw janosky

you are listening to those voices in your head again.
truly: The Word of God had a beginning in the flesh.
before becoming Man He was spirit, oh duh duh duh

Janosky: John W have made 2 salient confession:.
Number 1 ; before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25 (in the spirit realm)
Number 2:
The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh.
Therefore, the word/Wisdom first had a beginning in the spirit realm , John W talk am.
God created ,"Brought forth "a separate person" being called "Wisdom" (revealed to be Jesus @ 1 Corinthians 1:24)
Shidof, take note of the 2 Screenshots.
The Hebrew lexicon Qanah = CREATE
@ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19,22. Psalms 139:13
Brought forth, Possess,Maker, Produce = CREATE

oh most confused false jw, qanah like many words can have a number of meanings
depending on content, "posessed" is one of them

when there was nothing but God, God didn't create Wisdom
Wisdom always resided in God: the same yesterday today and tomorrow

God bought His Wisdom, forth/out of Himself, to be a seperate person. proverbs 8:22-25

Janosky: Is John W's "holy spirit" not a separate, distinct person from his other 2 person Gods?
Why did John W claim that Jesus is holy spirit?
Or John W is more confused?

talk about confusion oh u understander of nothing

show where i have another 2 god's, cannot stop lying fraud

johnw never say Jesus the Man is The Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit is not flesh, u so dum dum
johnw say before becoming Man The word of God is the Holy spirit

Janosky: John W confusing himself
Why would your 'spirit of Wisdom' be given another spirit called "spirit of the Lord"
@ Isaiah 11:2?

ha ha ha, amazing, no understanding of God's Word at all

The Spirit of Yahovah is The Spirit of Wisdom etc.
God and Wisdom/the Word is God, john 1:1
God is a Spirit, God and The word is that One Holy Spirit
God bought His Holy Spirit out of Himself
The Word of God is the One mostly referred to as The Holy Spirit
in the bible, Father is also

Isa_11:2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Janosky: before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25.
John W talk am, "the Wisdom" of Proverbs 8:22 had a beginning as a separate person.
A creature of God @ Proverbs 8:22.
Proverbs 8:29 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 the Wisdom is a living creature/ "skilled Craftsman" at the Father's side. A living entity, "separate person to God" .

so confused fraud, what you trying to say

God's Word is no creature, He is God's Holy Spirit
read again my recent posts, but of course you cannot understand truth:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Janosky: Matthew 27:46 & John 5:37 Jesus Christ confessed there is no equality between him & his God & Father.
Trinity na man made scam.

what has The Word of God being the Spirit of God(shown in my recent posts), got to do with trinity
u such a duh fraud

Janosky: John W you played yourself with that last sentence
John W already said:
before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25
Proverbs 8:22,29 the Wisdom/ skilled Craftsman" is a separate person to God"

Side Note:
John W, you have to give credit to Jehovah's Witnesses on this forum for exposure of Proverbs 8:22 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 referencing Jesus Christ personified as Wisdom, the first born of every creature of God Almighty, Colossians 1:15.
Jehovah's Witnesses espoused the truth of Proverbs 8:22 on this public forum inspite of strong opposition from 3 Gods Polytheists pretending to be Christians.
The evidence plentiful on Nairaland.

wow, confusion reigns in false jw land

truly most confused know nothing, i say it again, not that u will understand, smile

Wisdom/The Word had a beginning as a separate Person to God
before God bough Wisdom out of Himself, Wisdom always existed in God

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

chiedu7:
As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

Rev 1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

verse 7 He who comes with clouds was pierced, yes it is The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
not now flesh and bones but Spirit, The Word of God

verse 8 the One Who is to come, same as in the previous verse is Jesus/The Word of God/Alpha and Omega/The Almighty


The One Who is to come:
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.



it's the angel of Jesus/The Word of God speaking in revelation:

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

and it's interisting how the Angel of Jesus talks with the authority of Jesus/The Word of God
as if He is Jesus/The Word of God
just as the angel of Yahovah spoke in the old testament with the authority of Yahovah, as if He is Yahovah

shidof:
In summary, how does that Word of God equate to God. And can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

if you want to bring into question something that i have said
then quote what i said

for instance where did i say God is flesh?
i have of course said many times that God is a Spirit:

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Jesus is The Son of God
before and after becoming Man He is The Word of God
reply to what i write or be like the confused false jw's , who much of the time
must be replying to the voices in their heads


your confusion in thinking i said God is a man, and replying to your wrong assumption got 2 likes
so there are at least 2 other confused ones here, funny

if it is not those 2 false jw's here, then there are 4 or more confused ones

Bishopkingsley:
Have you seen any new date been updated there

i try not to spend a lot of time online
i have other things i like to do

u have a look, it's a interesting read

jwfacts.com

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shidof:
Hope you realised Jesus wasn't the only person that pass the word of God to people. Some prophet did it before and after him. What should we call them?? Blood or Spirit of God since you referred Jesus as the flesh of the God

The Lord Jesus Christ is "The Word of God" in the flesh

before Jesus became Man He is called "The Word of God"
and when He ascended back to heaven,
He is again called "The Word of God" john 1 and revelation 19


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.




Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 
Col 1:17  He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

DappaD:
The answer is pretty much easy.
The Almighty God did not have a beginning(Psalm 93:2) while Jesus had a beginning. Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14

The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh. john 1:14

before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25
God bought forth Wisdom out of Himself. The Spirit of Wisdom, The Spirit of knowledge etc. is that same One Holy Spirit that is God:

Isa_11:2  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.


God possessed Wisdom at the beginning of His way/before His works of old.
His works of old are of course, the beginning of His way

God and Wisdom/The Word, was there at the beginning of creation
God possessed Wisdom at creation, and before that Wisdom has always existed in God, of course


God is greater than The Word of God/than The Lord Jesus Christ
it was God Who bought Wisdom out of Himself, and Jesus is flesh

God bringing Wisdom out of Himself can be likened to birth
but not likened to create, because Wisdom always existed in God

kingsley, does fraud jw janosky think you are solite3
who said goodbye to this forum many moons ago

they are a paranoid mob, fraud janosky used to post as: OneJ

Janosky: you can see solite3 thinking for them Triune selves in the screenshot.

not all there, fraud jw janosky

you post your delusion lies and blasphemies, laughing like the fool
and then run away:

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Janosky:
So, Dem done change their Trinity to 2 doghead.
Have you forgotten Numbers 11:17?
Jehovah shared that holy spirit (your Jesus) to Moses and his 70 Assistants

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


oh duh getting it wrong in your every post, understanding nothing, false jw janosky

in the beginning there was God and The Word, who you love to repeatidly call dogheads

truly heap big fraud you will have your reward:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bishopkingsley:
Has JW fix another year apart from the 1914 date

there have been many, jw facts dot com will show some to you

Janosky:
Your "holy spirit" is a person you call Jesus Christ.
John W fraud Polytheist and LIENUS

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


understanding nothing false jw janosky

no, The Holy Spirit isn't flesh but is The Spirit Person called "The word of God"
who stripped off His divinity to become Man. this Man's Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
the Man in flesh Himself is The Son of God, Spirit is not flesh and bones oh most duh one



poor fraud jw calling everyone things that you are: polytheist and liar

you believe in two god's: almighty god the father and mighty god jesus - u polytheist

and of course you cannot stop lying and accusing and getting it wrong in your most every post, just like your daddy the devil, funny

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Bishopkingsley:
This scripture should be able to make you understand trinity

Matthew 28:19 ►
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The holy spirit is simply the spirit of Jesus
Jesus is still on the earth but not physically rather it is his spirit which is on the earth called the holy spirit

There are many scriptures that back up trinity definition

Remember we are made in the image of God and we ourselves are three in one
Body and soul and spirit

@bold, yes The Holy Spirit is The Word of God

Bishopkingsley:
He has lost faith in JW because in JW there is no move of God presence that why he thinks trinity people is as the same powerless as JW people that is the reason he said traditional way of life is better than the ways God created

The problem with him is he has not tested the real God all through his life if he has then he won't ever say Devils way was better

false jw's are evil and insane, that's for sure
satan's mob love to blaspheme God over and over again
and who but insane people would call The Holy Spirit: "the ole demon ghost" etc.


i'm not trinatarian, i believe there were two persons in the beginning
God and The Word, as the bible/God's word say's

Jesus the Man/flesh came thousands of years later

but IMO trinity is far closer to correct than false jw org. is
for example, The Holy Spirit is not a impersonable power, but is a Person and more than just that

MaxInDHouse:
our Africa heritage is better of than this TRINITY doghead

false jw the mad man, loves to call: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit
"trinity doghead"

truly you will have your reward:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

MaxInDHouse:
Trinitarians have programmed you to think the way you're doing right now so if you want to convince anyone that those words are not metaphors all you need to do is PRESENT a group of people in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is speaking, working, operating that's all.

Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses we know how God's active force speaks so when someone is lying to the Holy Spirit we know how to treat them before what happened to those first century lying couples reoccure. But God's active force is not a person!

Jas 4:8  Come close to God, and he will come close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

james said: A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Janosky:
Luke 11:20
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come on you.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Acts 5:3
Peter said:" Ananias why has Satan emboldened you to lie to the holy spirit?
Acts 5:3, Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28,
In other words, "Ananias, why has Satan emboldened you to lie to the finger of God"?

Bishop Kingsley proven a LIAR

Pronto !

oh most duh fraud jw janosky

the finger of God = The Holy Spirit of God

you keep getting it wrong, post after post, day after day, year after year
and then you call the ones you are posting to "LIAR":

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




if you knew the scriptures and God, which you false jw's do not, you would know that Jesus Spirit/the Word of God,
is The Holy Spirit




here are some verses showing that the Holy Spirit, is the Word of God:



The Word of God is Creator with God:

john1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:




The Holy Spirit is Creator with God:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

Psa 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psa 104:30  Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.



Job 33:4  The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life

^^ The spirit of God/The Word of God has made me. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit of The Almighty
The word of God and Almighty God are one and the same Holy Spirit
that is why John said: "and The Word was God"




**a group of people who don't know God, are of course not God's people**



more:
The Spirit of God is The Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Christ/The Spirit of God dwells in believers:

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 
Rom 8:10  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 
Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Jesus dwelled with His apostles and disciples
and Jesus/The Spirit of Truth/The Holy Spirit, shall be in them:

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


The Father sends the Holy Spirit:

Joh 14:26  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


Jesus sends the Holy spirit:

Luk 24:49  "And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."

Joh 15:26  "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me 

^^ The Spirit/the Word of God in believers, testifies about The Man, The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ


Jesus and Father is The Holy Spirit that lives within believers:

Joh 14:23  Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. Then my Father will love him, and we will go to him and make our home within him.

Janosky:





Emusan LIENUS no get liver to say "gifts of the spirit" GIBBERISH from JohnW fraud.

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

false jw janosky

do you want me to post yet again all the scriptures
showing that The Holy Spirit is a person

no, of course you don't, you didn't believe God's word those times
did you fraud jw:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

false jw janosky

do you want me to post yet again all the scriptures
showing that The Holy Spirit is a person

no, of course you don't, you didn't believe God's word those times
did you fraud jw;

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the Lord and Savior english name in the flesh is "Jesus Christ"

the Lord and Saviour english name in the Spirit is "The Word of God"


Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

name = "The Word of God", not michael whom the Word of God created:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


^^ of course false jw's don't believe God's word and change it
where it doesn't agree with their false doctrines

false jw org have added to God's word-the bible, even knowing the penalty for that,
but like i said they believe only what they choose to believe-what they are taught to believe:

rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Janosky:
Educated literate who equates Genesis 1:2 to 1Peter 5:8
Emusan GIBBERISH na first grade

Educated literate from jankara


Emusan LIENUS no get liver to say "gifts of the spirit" GIBBERISH from JohnW fraud.

A singular spirit is omnipresent to only Moses & his 70 Assistants, not to all Israelites.
Continue LYING & DECEIVING yourself

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:


truly know nothing janosky

God took of the Spirit from moses and gave to the 70

God didn't take bits of the Holy Spirit from moses to give to the 70
God took from moses some of the gifts of the Spirit that He God had given to moses
and He gave them to the 70

you heap big fraud jw, aren't you oh duh one

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




Num 11:17 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.


Adam Clarke:

Numbers 11:17
I will take of the spirit which is upon thee - From this place Origen and Theodoret take occasion to compare Moses to a lamp, at which seventy others were lighted, without losing any of its brightness. To convince Moses that God had sufficiently qualified him for the work which he had given him to do, he tells him that of the gifts and graces which he has given him he will qualify seventy persons to bear the charge with him. This was probably intended as a gracious reproof. Query. Did not Moses lose a measure of his gifts in this business? And is it not right that he whom God has called to and qualified for some particular office, should lose those gifts which he either undervalues or refuses to employ for God in the way appointed? Is there not much reason to believe that many cases have occurred where the spiritual endowments of particular persons have been taken away and given to others who made a better use of them? Hence the propriety of that exhortation, Rev_3:11 : Hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. The gracious God never called a man to perform a work without furnishing him with adequate strength; and to refuse to do it on the pretense of inability is little short of rebellion against God. This institution of the seventy persons to help Moses the rabbins consider as the origin of their grand council called the Sanhedrin. But we find that a council of seventy men, elders of Israel, had existed among the people a year before this time. See Exo_24:9 (note); see the advice given to Jethro to Moses, Exo_18:17 (note), etc., and the notes there.

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