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Tatime
of course you false jw tat don't understand God being more than one person,
in fact you don't understand anything much

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just look at that false jw confusion, and mocking of God and the Word, john 1:1
showing your true satanic colors false jw tat

OneJ:
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For your mind U think U're educated
but. your education is useless to U & your society.

Where, when & how did two distinct spirit beings ,the Word & the God transformed into one spirit being, Almighty God ?
Johnw47, pls reply.

One of the men who invented Trinity , before the Council of Nicene was convened, Tertullian , (one of the Early Church Fathers) in the early third century wrote:
" Now if this one ("the Word" is God according to John (" the Word is God", then you have two: one who speaks that it may be, and another who carries it out. However, you should accept this as "another" I have explained: as concerning person, not substance, and as distinct, not division"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


the man Tertullian write say U be mumu with no sense but stupidity.

know nothing false jw onej,

God is a Spirit, john 4:24

God and the Word is God, John 1:1

again, God is a Spirit, God and the Word(two persons) don't have two diffrent spirits but the same one spirit that is God

God is one, matt 12:29 God and the Word is that one God, that one Spirit


of course you false jw mumu man not having that Spirit living in you will never know or understand

OneJ:
U are making a fool of yourself, peddling half truth ,"he was neither buried in dishonor or raised in dishonor".. What has Christ burial got to do with his dishonored body with various wounds & marks of abuse?
Christ was labeled a. "criminal" and was executed along with 2 other criminals. John 18:28-32.
He died in dishonor & was raised in glory. 1 cor 15:43,44. Make U no twist am.

truly oh blinded false jw onej
contradicting the bible is what you false jw's are good at

your claim was that Jesus wouldn't have been raised with wounds and scars

Jesus certinally was raised with those wounds and scars:
Joh 20:27  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 
Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 

you false jw's who neither understand or believe the bible see contradictions
their are no contradictions only your non understanding

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

talk about twisting, that's another one of your names

when the plain sense of scripture makes common sense
then seek no other sense
as false jw's do

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm it's appropriate avoiding you since you're always calling others who have contrary opinions "sons of Satan"

false jw tatime of course you cannot stop lying, you are sons of satan because you don't believe God and change the plain and clear meaning of His word

written by a christian,
some of false jw's false prophecies:

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?



A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).

TATIME:
Ordinarily viewing your posts shows that you're a mere little boy, so i pity you lot but God will surely punish those so called pastors who blinded your minds with hatred for God's people!

the usual bull from you false jw tat
God's people don't say The Word is "a god"
God's people don't say Jesus body was not resurrected
God's people don't say there are two gods a almighty god and a mighty god etc. etc.

TATIME: Don't you know that these atheists are demon possessed? Can't you see that they are saying things that only spirits could reveal? How do you expect to help them if you can't beat them in their own reasoning?

i not trying to help them or false jw - both are satans mob, i show up some of theirs and your lies
which keeps me very busy

TATIME: Well the last time i silenced all of them you weren't happy about the whole thing, instead you started cursing and insulting me for the good work and even calling them to come back and fight back.
Let me remind you of what Jesus the one you're claiming to be on His side said, Jesus said "a house divided against itself cannot stand, if Satan is against Satan how will his kingdom stand?" READ ~Matthew 12:25-30
When i silenced them in their own reasoning, and you are attributing such works with the devil then how do you think you're on God's side, when you are attributing good works that rightly belongs to God to the devil. Well some people did exactly what you are doing today back in His days but it's a pity my friend that Jesus said "such individuals are SINNING against the Holy Spirit"(Matthew 12:31,32) why? Because good works cannot come from Satan or demons. Matthew 7:15-20
Jesus has given you all the signs to recognise us as His true servants but stubbornness coupled with ego is blinding your senses of discernment. Neither you nor any of your friends could stop the demons speaking through the atheists yet you're saying the one that's able to silence them is also working for the devil.
Well my prayer to God is for your salvation because i'm sure you have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge! Romans 10:1-3

typical false jw tatime garbage and lies, i haven't seen you silence any one,
you puff yourself up self righteous pharisee
and of course i posted against you false jw tatime as well as them, i post against all of satans mob

OneJ:
Everyone who viewed this thread is already aware that your other 4 fingers have judged & condemned U.
Because U no fit disprove all the scriptures that contradicted your flawed doctrine , u dey hide behind flimsy excuses.

@underline, ha ha that from false jw onej who is showed wrong in most every post
yoiu are of course talking about yourself again false jw, you do a lot of that

@bold, you mean every false jw who viewed this thread
ha ha, you couldnt say the truth if your life depended on it
and it does:

Rev_2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

TATIME:
Lacking substance as usual.
Even quoting John 8:44 for someone who don't even care about the document from which you're quoting.
If i come in now to help you silence them it's the same John 8:44 that you'll be quoting against me for teaching you how to turn atheists to become dumd!

you false jw tatime don't believe God's word and change the plain and clear meaning of much of it to suit your false doctrines, it doesn't matter to me that neither otem or you don't believe the bible
i do, and that's why i quote the truth to any and all

TATIME: Well continue dancing around with them since you hate the truth that's filled with loads of powerful words having enough substance to silence them!

see how you cannot stop lying laughing man, a blind man could see i love God's word and believe it

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

TATIME: For your information, when Jesus said what you're quoting, the Pharisees fully understood and believe in the existence of both God and Satan, moreover they knew the qualities of God as well as that of the devil. So when Jesus said "you are from your father the devil" they felt caught up to their hearts that the young man likens their evil deeds with that of the wicked spirit that they themselves knew for evil works. It's very much unlike the way you're quoting the same text for someone who don't even know the difference between God and Satan because to him he as an intelligent being is a God on his own. So your continuous attitude of quoting Bible texts lacks substance!

you tat believe in two gods, a almighty god and a mighty god, the true YAHWEH you never knew

here again false jw tat is the verse that you hate, a verse about you and all God haters:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
But how are they going to make friends out of strangers who had their own different religious beliefs?
Well it's by being modest in speech and attitude!

and that's also how you wolves in sheeps clothing appear, modest in speech and attitude, wanting to appear as a lamb, some of the time,
but of course some false jw's speech and attitude shows your true colors though:

OneJ:
zodiakzax guy dey showcase him stupidity ,serial lies & unrivalled mumu.
Trinity doctrine fry him brain for breakfast.

see your lies

a christian not always being mild in speech and attitude
is far far better than a false jw's idiotcy and habitual lying

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false jw's are among the peoples Jesus was talking and prophesying off there
they are an org. of false prophets and more
later or tomorrow i will post some of false jw's false prophecies

CAPTIVATOR:
zodiakzax see your fellow trinitarians

of course you false jw captivator like all false jw's cannot stop lying

if you wanted to be truthful you would have said "zodiakzax see a fellow trinitarian"

but you satans mob like to lie, which is just talking naturally for you:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

CAPTIVATOR:
the question should be if truly he was raised in that body, he shouldn't have those marks and wounds , should he ? According to Bible, The dead are buried in dishonor but will be raised in Glory. Are you telling us Jesus was raised with dishonor of wounds and those scars ? Contradicting the bible ?

@bold, you false jw cap believe Jesus wounds and scars are a dishonor to Him,
they don't come any more evil than you satans mob, that's for certain

@underline, Jesus never sinned, He was neither buried in dishonor or raised in dishonor

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Crysthaniel:
@ Gruni1234 at least you claim to be on a neutral side
Please I want you to read and meditate on the Account of Revelation chapter 4 and chapter 5 thanks..

are there pythons and rainbows in those chapters?

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#71972959

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#72001292

TATIME:
The trinitarian who disguised himself as an atheist is my main focus, not those who already felt they're OK with what they knew. Luke 5:32
It's hypocritical to hide ones identity because the spirit won't allow you to act perfectly during a Bible discussion(Hebrews 4:12) the intentions of your heart will drive you out of control and uncover your true identity!
So Mr Gruni1234, when next you're joining a debate on social media, try to speak the truth so that you can be helped, instead of hiding behind a finger!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses and our righteousness is from Jehovah(Isaiah 54:17) who's spirit is working out all that we're accomplishing because HE is always at work(John 5:17) so HIS worshippers are a formidable force that all the nations must IDENTIFY by our fine WORKS! Matthew 5:10-12,John 13:35,James 2:18-20,26

false jw tat, of course you need to keep reassuring yourself on those falsehoods in your most every post
and i like to keep showing you who you really are:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
You're not sincere my friend, that's why you won't get any straightforward reply from someone who is honesthearted!
Remember you threw a question into the podium as if you're truly interested in knowing what commentators had in mind regarding your question, but hypocritically abandon the thought provoking question only to start making remarks regarding who is accurately informed as respect biblical doctrines!
So you're the cause of the neglect you're getting from sincere participants!
Your first question is "who can provide the evidence of the existence of God?" Someone seeing this will imagine an atheist is in the house, but instead of remaining focused on your question which any reasonable reader would like to see the response you dropped your own question and started judging those arguing!
I'm ready to answer any question from you but we must start from your first question or you tell me now if you're now convinced that there is God and give a sound logical explanation for believing in the existence of God. Then we can proceed to another question.

lying false jw tatime, you cannot answer his questions and are running away from them

TATIME:
Christianity was commissioned by a young Nazarene called Jesus about 2000 years ago.
He taught, led and encouraged His faithful followers to "go and meet people in their homes". Matthew 10:11-15,28:19,20
When Christians get to the house of their prospective audience they display all the qualities that this young man taught them and tell people what God's Kingdom will soon do here on earth. But how are they going to make friends out of strangers who had their own different religious beliefs?
Well it's by being modest in speech and attitude! 1Peter 3:15
They strongly believe that Jesus is the Messiah (the anointed) who will rule the earth under God's direction.So no matter how people treat Jesus' name,Christians tried to help them grasp the importance of this young man in God's arrangement. Colossians 1:15,16 compared to Act 18:24-26
Everyone must become submissive to Jesus' orders that is those who are willing to live forever! John 3:16-18
So all these can't be learnt from someone you're NOT SEEING, because you must learn by hearing and examples just as Jesus taught His followers by examples. Romans 10:13-15,Hebrews 13:7
Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten it all by presenting themselves as ministers having plenty to do in the work of their Master,Lord and King( 1Corinthians 15:58) who told them "if you're truly my disciples, people will hate you and even call you servants of Satan" Matthew 10:22-25
Today what is the evil committed by this wonderful group? Well i can only figure out one :"they're claiming to be the One and only group following Jesus" that's all!
So while people honor God with their lips, true Christians honor HIM by their fine works! John 10:37,38,James 2:18-20,26
Jehovah's Witnesses do contact people through social media but the REAL teaching of God's word must be PRACTICAL. Deuteronomy 6:6,7
That's why we always direct interested ones to JWs closest to their abode so that they can learn how to become tolerant, humble, respectful and with self-control all from the pages of the Bible.God bless you!

Jesus was talking about believers, not about those who change His truth into lies
saying the Word is "a god"
saying there are two gods a almighty god and a mighty god
and saying Jesus body was not raised


false jw's certinally are servants of satan:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
Arguments are for inexperience ones,that's why most people often turn their backs on Christlike qualities since they're not trained to answer others with mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15
But true Christians knows what is worrying them so we pray for them to be saved because we're sure they have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3
I'm sure by now Gruni must be worried reading through all the barbaric posts of his friends,full of all manners of curses and insults just because they wish to make a diffense for their contradicting and conflicting religious doctrines, or should i say because they want to silence a religious group who's faith is obvious through their WORKS!
So Gruni my friend, behold your Christian friends and their attitudes towards people having a different mindset!

oh duh, full of garbage tatime

those calling Christ "a god" are not Christian

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

OneJ:
mumu post of serial liars everywhere. Greek
theos basically means god / gods,goddess.
The Greek language does not distinguish upper case & lower case , as it is in English. Mumu people, theos is god.
Translators of the Bible into English changed theos to god/ God where appropriate.

John1:1a - in the beginning was the word
John 1:1b- the word was with the god (that's how it is written in Greek)
( John 1:1a/b , there is definite article "the"
John 1:1c - the word is god (no definite article there precedes "god", as it is in John 1:1b.

Therefore, indefinite article "a" must precede "god". Hence, Acts 12:22, 28:6,John 1:1c is
" a god." That's the rule of Greek grammar Your KJV knows this , but stuck to falsehood in John 1:1c.

The oldest Bible far older than any English Bible , the Sahidic Coptic Bible in John 1:1c reads. "a god".

"Every one who believes that Jesus is the Messiah has been born from God (Yahweh) and everyone who loves the parent (Yahweh) loves the child" - 1 John 5:1.
But , umu iberibe upgraded the child to usurp his parent by fire by force.
Lol
Una stupidity no go end.

oh duh, the Word was with "the God", of course He was, the word was not with "a god"
john is talking about "the God" and he then says "and God was the Word"
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word

john is not talking about two gods there as false jw's believe in, a almighty god and a mighty god




Job_13:3  Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.

job wanted to speak to the Almighty and desired to reason with God, job is not talking about two diffrent gods there, with the Almighty being the definate article, (there is no "almighty" before God)
but job of course is talking off the one God


and there are many verses that support that the Word is God
do you remember false jw onej? yes you do, but you don't believe God which is calling Him a liar
as you do everyone else who posts God's truth here






it wouldn't even make sense for john to want to tell everyone that the Lord and saviour of the world is "a god"

but to show that Father and the Word is that one same Spirit which is God, makes perfect sense

the verse makes perfect sense but not to a God hater


 

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
Just listen to yourself my friend. First you're an atheist, next you're an observer, then you turned to a judge between debators and now you're claiming that Jesus truly exist but with all of these you can't grasp the fact that this "Jesus" gave specific instructions as in orders to His followers so you don't think a commander like Jesus should have VISIBLE army that's under His control.
If you don't know something, just try to learn in order to gain insight. All atheists,no matter how you define them have one thing in common "they don't want to be controlled by another intelligent creature like themselves"
That's why i strongly believe that whoever claims to be a Christian but not belonging to any religious group is indirectly an atheist, because if they're under the umbrella of a religious group~~~~

so a non denominational christian having God's gift of strong faith is indirectly an atheist

see your false jw lies, no of course you don't, your god has blindede you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



false jw tat, what garbage you speak



christians know that the false jw org.
is a church of satans false prophets
having given many false prophecies,
ask me about them, and
teaching that:

The Word is "a god"



teaching that:

there are in fact "two gods"

a almighty god the father
and a mighty god the son



teaching that:

Jesus body wasn't resurrected




false jw, your umbrella leaks

it's interisting that Gruni, not yet a believer, is kicking false jw's butt using the bible
but then false jw's god satan is powerless against truth

TATIME:
Na wa o! So this argument is still causing traffic on NL, well i congratulate Seun for creating this so that people can pour out what they can't even discuss with their neighbors for God's sake but for the sake of argument they can continue till eternity.
Just 17 fact about a group and the next thing is endless arguments.
I believe if all these argumentators can be this persistent in going to discuss God's word with enthusiasm, surely Jehovah's Witnesses won't have a say. But it's just so pathetic that they lack the humility, chastity and self-control couple with incompetency regarding what the Bible REALLY teach, therefore they choose to argue facelessly behind social media.

and now you tatime are again causing traffic on NL
choosing to argue facelessly behind social media

you are a false jw pharisee hypocrite
of course

many moons ago when false jw's visited me speaking the name Jehovah very often
i started talking about the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
one of them said: "don't talk about Jesus He is no one"
i showed them the door
one of them slipped and fell on the stairs
poor devil

OneJ:
Your sickness done upload.
IBERIBEISM enters "play" mode.
Stupidity steeped in delusion, bigotry & anti JW virus=.
Mumu for life.

and yet what Hairyrapunzel said is true and you couldn't answer it
so your reply to the truth is to accuse and insult
like your daddy would do

see the true false jw

OneJ:
Gruni1234 is not being honest.
Many scholars agree that in John 1:1 "the word is a god" is accurate because it is the same Greek grammatical construct with Acts 28:6, 12:22,. Other scholars hold a different opinion. That's actually what "John 1:1 Wikipedia" said , but U came to NL to twist the facts.
Intellectual dishonesty.

Let's see if the evidence supported your claims.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/ english/divine

Divine, definition
1. "Connected with a god, or like a god".

https://biblehub.com/greek/2304.htm

theios - divine
divinity, deity
( Latinnumendivinum)
not only used by the Greeks to denote the divine nature, power, providence, in the general, with out reference to any individual deity"

In other words that verse actually means that Jesus Christ has godlike qualities, attributes of a god.
John 1:1, " the word is a god, (NWT) is accurate.

the same word "theos" is used for the Father
so according to you false jw onej the Father being called God(theos)
is connected with a god, or like a god
and the Father has godlike qualities, attributes of a god
the Father is "a god"

but not so oh mumu man who loves to lie and change what God says, which is calling God a liar

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(theos), and the Word was God(theos).

many bible verses show the Word to be God, i will post some if you ask, laugh

Hairyrapunzel:
It also said one Lord Jesus Christ.
Who is the one Lord?

the Word Jesus is Lord of Lords:

YAHWEH
Deu_10:17  For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Gruni1234:
Yes my dear. It is, the appropriate should have been God or divine. No one had the right to assume it was a smaller god. I have done enough search into that when OneJ asked me to, and from all angles including Atheist greek scholars, the word was divine, that should be left alone as it is or as God. You become a polytheist which your very religion is against. Polytheism is the believe in many gods. So if you say the word is a god, you them say there are two gods.

false jw's do say there are two gods
a almighty god (father) and a mighty god (son)
it's no wonder their confusion leads them to believe that the Word is "a god"
contrary to what God inspired John to say

OneJ:
@ brocab, the SERIAL LIAR (& his crew) ;


Your trinity friends have entered one chance.....

They will come here to vent their frustrations ,resort to name calling & insults rather than accept the truth.

ha ha, mumu man talking about himself again

OneJ:
Komot that your lie lie ,corrupted KJV version jare.....

Let's consider these examples:

1a. This house was built through me.
1 b, This house was built by me
Both sentences are not saying exactly the same thing.
(1a) tells us that the house was built with joint effort or a partnership.
(1b) is saying that one person alone built it.

https://www.biblehub.com/john/1-3.htm
"God created everything THROUGH HIM (Jesus) and nothing was created except THROUGH HIM (Jesus)" John 1:3

NLT,GNT.NASB.CSB.ESV.WNT.YLT.ISV.GWT.HCSB.WEB.NIV etc.
"And although the world was made THROUGH. HIM the world did not recognize him " John 1:10.

"DIA AUTOU meaning THROUGH HIM
is a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; THROUGH."

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/8-22.htm

"Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation..." (Aramaic Bible in English)

" The Lord (Jehovah/Yahweh) created me first of all...." NHEB
Prov 8:30
"I was a skilled craftsman at His (Yahweh's) side, His delight day by day, rejoicing always in His prescence"
" Christ is the wisdom of God" 1 cor 1:21,24.
The truth is crystal clear.

false jw onej
of course you don't believe God and go to lengths to change what He said through
His inspired Bible writers

but your searching for another translation makes no diffrence to the truth in this case

"and nothing was created except THROUGH HIM" means the same as "and without him was not any thing made"

it still shows that Father never created anything without the Word Jesus,
clearly showing that the Word Jesus Christ wasn't created and has always been


evil onej who continues to try and change what God says and in so doing calling God a liar, you sure are duh, laugh

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the Word Jesus Christ created the angels and everything that was created, there is nothing that exists that He didn't create

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

without the Word Jesus nothing was created = Father never created anything without the Word Jesus,
clearly showing that the Word Jesus Christ wasn't created and has always been

Gruni1234:
Good day to all of you.

Barristter07, let me tell you something about myself and let that be on the record.

1. I am not a child
2. I am not an illiterate
3.Going to school and getting my masters, and working on PHD isn't a child's play nor is it for illogical people.

Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says
Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son. And after you were drawn out, you continue to shame yourself Sir. It's rather a big Shame to your intelligence as a free moral agent as such a free moral thinker. Honesty is a great virtue.

If I should come to God today, I will do that by my own free will, also i will follow God by my own free will, when someone challenge my core belief and gives me evidence to support that claim, I will for the sake of me loving God, research vividly to see if what I am presented with makes sense in light of scripture. We dont debate for debating sake. And I am pleased I'm able to uncover a great deception amongst the Watch Tower Organization. Don't think your debate with zodiakzax is for fun, I'm actually learning alot and not only me, I have friends here following it. You will be surprised what they say about your lack of logical and critical thinking. You think I'm a JW hater no, to the contrary, I like you guys, always visiting me and spending some time with me. Only problem is you reject knowledge even though you know nothing about what the person is saying.

So they came to my house, we had a nice chat, they asked me to visit them, I told them I don't believe in God etc, they directed me to the website to read and know more about who God is etc. And later said they will bring me a tract that can prove God exists, I said fine, then I said, well can I also give you a material to prove to You that God doesn't exist? Read it and let me know what you also think, at least to be fair, so when we talk later we both know a little about each other's belief. Well they rejected it, says they don't read those kind of books, well then I also told them I'm sorry but I'm also not interested in your books and website. Told them if they are ready to read my books, I will also be ready to read theirs.

I have other Christian friends who will read my books and even use that to challenge me. It's been fun and as I also read their books, I go and challenge them but they always have an answer, weird, I will tell myself, these guys always answer me. It's been going on for sometime now, now I feel drawn to know about Christianity, Jesus, trinity etc in my search, I came across this website and many more. I've learnt alot for myself. I've called the Jw fellows to come over, following zodiakzax and others statements, I want to see if they can also plainly deny what's the obvious. It Will be a disappoint though.

brocab is right, ask God in the quite of your mind that you want to know Him, if you do want to know Him

@bold, that's true, and false jw's change-twist the plain and clear meaning of a lot of what God inspired, to suit their false unbibical beliefs

2Ti_3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

@underline, i wouldn't read books on "God doesn't exist" because i have strong faith that He does

i believe false jw's wouldn't read them for a diffrent reason, they only believe what their org. tells them

Hairyrapunzel:
You think Barrister07 that believes that the only means of getting salvation is by joining the new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and unquestionably obeying the imperfect, uninspired and fallible old men who head this company will give you the answer?
I don't think so.

but those fallible old men have angels guiding them, laugh

1Ti_4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

OneJ:
Born, definition
*Past participle of bear.
1a. brought into life by birth.
1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution.

Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?"

The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created.
INDISPUTABLE FACT.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

"Before the mountains were born,
or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God"
Psalms 90:2.

These questions dey hang for una head:

1) How did Yahweh born the mountains?

2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world?

3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son?

These questions have ONLY one answer:
Yahweh CREATED
1)the mountains.
(2) earth and the world.
(3) Jesus Christ his son.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1
Make , definition
1.create/ produce
2. cause to be formed

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make

1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE
2.to bring into existence
Verb , make
3.make=create
synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate.

Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son.
The bitter truth is crystal clear.
Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours.
Shalom

CAPTIVATOR: That psalm 90:2 did a total finishing Lolzzz

Handshake for you unlike some who switched off their brain when confronted with Facts

know nothings false jw onej and false jw captivator

words can have diffrent meanings for diffrent situations
YAHWEH created the mountains
Yahweh begat Jesus Christ, do you need the scriptures?
i didn't post them because i know you don't believe them

you can say Jesus was created if you like
but the fact remains that He is the only begotten Son of God
He is from Father, He is off the Father, He, like the Father is YAHWEH God:

YAHWEH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


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YAHWEH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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YAHWEH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


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YAHWEH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


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YAHWEH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


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YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

YAHWEH-Jesus was pierced


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YAHWEH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.