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Barristter07:


One God, the Father - 1 Corinthians 8:6

1Co 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

of course Father is the one God
Jesus also is the one God, do you want me to post the verses again showing that Jesus is God?
showing that Jesus is Jehovah?

and you are also blinded to that verse showing that both Father and Jesus is the one God - the one Lord 

Father is the one God, Jesus is the one Lord

oh duh false jw

Barristter07: Lie lie Johnw74

copy cat, it's very well established that the name - title "lie lie" belongs to
lie lie barristter

Barristter07:
If someone is called Father it means they are the same as The Father of 1 Corinthians 8:6 ? The humans called Fathers should have been included by you as well .

That Jesus is called everlasting Father doesn't make him the one the bible called " The Father " at 1 Corinthians 8:6 .

Johnw74 ,accept the truth.

Peace

you false jw barristter are blinded to truth

of course Jesus as a person in God is not the Father, He is the Son

buy speaking of God, God is both Father and Son

and that's why isaiah could call Jesus "Mighty God Heavenly Father"

and of course you not having the Spirit cannot understand no matter how many times it was shown you
and of course you don't believe God but reject much of His Word:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

TATIME:
He must be somewhere now having deep thoughts about all that he read on this thread. Because he could see and continue to see Jehovah's Witnesses still waxing strong with their "cult" while your own folks are nowhere to be found except in the corners of the streets{Matthew 12:19} inside public transport entertaining NO questions or facelessly on NL.

Typical say anything garbage from cannot stop lying false jw tatime

Barristter07:
Who is the one God ?

the one God is clearly not the two gods that you false jw's believe in

Gruni1234 where are you?
i'm enjoying watching an atheist using the bible
to sweep the floor with false jw's

Jesus Christ is both God and Man:


Jesus worshiped His Father, ~~Jesus is worshipped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33; 28:9)

Jesus prayed to His Father, ~~Jesus is prayed to, (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:2)

Jesus was called man, ~~Jesus was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8]

Jesus was called Son of man, ~~Jesus was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)

Jesus was tempted, ~~Jesus is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)

Jesus grew in wisdom, ~~Jesus knew all things (John 21:17)

Jesus died, ~~Jesus gives eternal life (John 10:28; 17:2)

Jesus has a body of flesh and bones, ~~The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

Barristter07:
The issue here is who is the one God ?

Trinitarians say the one God is composed of Father , son and holy spirit . BUT CHECKING the Bible, what do we find ?

One God, the Father.
One God, the Father
One God, the Father - 1 Cor 8:6

I love that Ephesians as it specifically said the One God is also the Father of all .

That excludes Jesus from been part of God as Trinity says.

The one God is composed of THE FATHER alone.

Comprehende?

oh duh

it's very simple to understand and believe for christians who have the Spirit
it won't be understood or believed by satans mob

i will stick with just Father and Son for simplicity


@bold, the one God is the Father of all,
and who is the one God, Father and the Word, john 1:1

@underline, as i have just shown that includes Jesus as God






Father and the Word = God

God = Father and the Word

and that's how isaiah could call Jesus "The mighty God, The everlasting Father"
because God = Father and Son


Isa_9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


two persons in one God

Barristter07:
Who is the one God ?

oh duh, all truth goes through your head like a sieve
once again, Father and the Word is the one God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

OneJ:
Indeed ,zodiakzax & his modern day Pharisees crew are polytheists because they worship triune God with three faces (they call Godhead, a dubious invention indeed).

trinitarians clearly don't believe in a god with three faces,
but in the one true God of the bible being three seperate persons

but you false jw onej cannot help being like your daddy the devil and lying always


however false jw's are polytheists believing in two gods
"a almighty god" and "a mighty god"

what liars and hypercrites, clearly of your forefathers the pharisees
and of your father god satan:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

amazing how you false jw's cannot stop lying, you keep showing who the god of false jw is
post after post, day after day

continue


I Will Pour Out My Spirit
All four gospels report that John the Baptist prophesied:

"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire," (Matthew 3:11, see also Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33).

If there were any doubt that Jesus is the one about whom God spoke, The Gospel of John reports:

"The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, 'Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.' John testified saying, 'I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God," (John 1:29-34).

Unquestionably, then, John the Baptist spoke of Jesus as the one who would immerse His people in the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit was poured out, Jesus would be the one doing the pouring. In Acts 1:5, Jesus connects this prediction with the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost which would occur shortly after that in Acts Chapter 2. Peter does not see this as merely the fulfillment of John's prophecy, however. He points back further to the Old Testament promise of Jehovah:

"but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams; Even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit And they shall prophesy. And I will grant wonders in the sky above And signs on the earth below, Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood, Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come. And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved,’" (Acts 2:16-21).

He is quoting, as He says, from the book of Joel:

"Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, And that I am the Lord your God, And there is no other; And My people will never be put to shame. It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord Will be delivered," (Joel 2:27-32).

The Lord (YHWH) says that He will pour out His Spirit. The Gospel writers, the Apostle Peter, and indeed Jesus Himself all say that it was Jesus who poured out the Spirit. Peter goes on to say plainly:

"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear," (Acts 2:33).

The Son is distinguished from the Father, and it is the Son and not the Father who pours out the Spirit. Jehovah Promised than He Himself would pour out the Spirit. He did not promise that an archangel or any of His other created beings would do so. We know that the Father is Jehovah, but here we see that, since Jehovah is not a liar and we know that He kept His word, the Son who poured out the Spirit is also Jehovah. And the Spirit of Jehovah cannot be a separate entity from Jehovah Himself, so here we actually see the Father, Son, and Spirit as distinct persons who are all Jehovah God. The fulfillment of this prophecy is thus not only testimony of the deity of Christ but, in fact, of the doctrine of the Trinity!

Every Knee Will Bow
In Philippians 2, Paul is clear that Jesus not only personally existed before his human conception and birth, but that He did so in the very nature of God:

"although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men," (Philippians 2:6-7).

Paul made a similar point to the Colossians, stating that:

"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Colossians 2:9).

Philippians 2 goes on to make it quite clear that Jesus did not merely exist as a divine, god-like creation, but that He is Jehovah God Himself. Paul goes on to say:

"So that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father," (Philippians 2:10-11).

Here, Paul is applying to Jesus the words from Isaiah, where Jehovah Himself says:

"I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance," (Isaiah 45:23).

Jehovah swore by His own name that every knee would bow and every tongue will confess His own Lordship. Paul says that this oath of God will be fulfilled in every knee bowing and every tongue confessing that Jesus is Lord. Again, Jesus is identified as YHWH, the LORD, Jehovah. The whole passage, of course, distinguishes between the Father and Son. The Son voluntarily submits to the Father, the Father exalts the Son, and the Son glorifies the Father. They are two distinct persons, yet they are both Jehovah God. This is what Christians have always believed. This is, again, an expression of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.



Inside the Bible
Jesus said
John 8:24, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."

Paul said
Romans 10:9-13, "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, 'Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.' For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for 'Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.'"

Jude said
Jude 4-5, "For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe."

Jesus is Jehovah

written by a christian

The Bible plainly calls Jesus "God" in several places and otherwise makes it clear that Jesus is divine. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, will acknowledge that Jesus is a divine being and even call him a god while denying that He is, in fact, the almighty God and the uncreated creator. It is, therefore, helpful to be able to show a few of the places that the Bible identifies Jesus as YHWH (Jehovah) by name, thus unambiguously claiming Him to be the true and living God Almighty.

The Heavens are the Work of Your Hands
A good place to start with a Jehovah's Witness is Psalm 102. The Christian and the Jehovah's Witnesses will agree on a great deal in this passage. It is very clearly a prayer to Jehovah God:

"Hear my prayer, O Lord! And let my cry for help come to You. Do not hide Your face from me in the day of my distress; Incline Your ear to me," (Psalm 102:1-2).

It goes on to declare important truths about Jehovah:

"But You, O Lord, abide forever, And Your name to all generations," (Psalm 102:12).

"So the nations will fear the name of the Lord And all the kings of the earth Your glory. For the Lord has built up Zion; He has appeared in His glory. He has regarded the prayer of the destitute and has not despised their prayer," (Psalm 102:15-17).

And it speaks of Jehovah's future kingdom reign over all the peoples of the Earth:

"This will be written for the generation to come, that a people yet to be created may praise the Lord. For He looked down from His holy height; From heaven the Lord gazed upon the earth, to hear the groaning of the prisoner, to set free those who were doomed to death, that men may tell of the name of the Lord in Zion and His praise in Jerusalem, when the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the Lord," (Psalm 102:18-22).

Throughout this chapter, the word here translated "Lord" is the name "YHWH" or "Jehovah." The Psalm closes by declaring of Him:

"Of old, You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing, You will change them and they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end. The children of Your servants will continue, And their descendants will be established before You,” (Psalm 102:25-28).

Such lofty proclamations are very specific to Jehovah and could not be applied to any other being. The Christian and the Jehovah's Witness can agree that this is who Jehovah is, and there is none other. When we turn to the New Testament, however, we see something incredible. The author of the Book of Hebrews writes:

"But of the Son, He says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above Your companions.' And, 'You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end,'” (Hebrews 1:8-12).

The author quotes two Psalms and says that they were talking about the Son. Both of them are powerful testimonies of Christ's deity, yet for our purposes here, the second is the most important. Notice, again, that verses 10-12 cite the passage:

"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end."

He is quoting here from Psalm 102, a prayer to Jehovah by name that could not be talking to or about any other being. The citation even addresses the son as the "Lord." Again, throughout the Psalm, in the Hebrew, the word "Lord" is the name "YHWH" or "Jehovah." The Book of Hebrews thus plainly identifies Jesus as Jehovah.

Because He Saw His Glory
In the Gospel of John, we read:

"These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid Himself from them. But though He had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing in Him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: 'Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?' For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 'He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them.' These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him," (John 12:36b-41).

John tells us that Jesus spoke, then went away and concealed Himself. John is explaining why "though He had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing in Him." They "He" here is still Jesus. It is Jesus that they do not believe in, even though He has performed signs. John explains their refusal to believe in Jesus by quoting from Isaiah 53:1 and Isaiah 6:10. John then explains that Isaiah said these things when he "saw his glory and spoke of him." The "him" here is still Jesus. Isaiah was speaking of Jesus and saw Jesus' glory. This makes sense because in Isaiah 53, Isaiah spoke of the Messiah and in Isaiah 6 He saw a vision of glory. But whose glory did he see? Isaiah tells us that:

"In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple," (Isaiah 6:1).

In the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament often cited by the New Testament writers, the verse reads:

"And it happened in the year that King Ozias died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and raised up, and the house was full of his glory,"

So, whose glory did Isaiah see when he wrote these words? The Lord's. YHWH's. Jehovah's. John clearly says that Isaiah saw Jesus' glory. John, therefore, identifies Jesus as Jehovah. When Jehovah appeared to Isaiah, it was not the Father but rather the Son who appeared. Therefore, though there is only one Jehovah, it is not only the Father who is Jehovah. The Son is Jehovah as well. Jehovah is one God, but more than one person. No one has seen the Father, but the Son, who is also Jehovah God, has made the Father known. When Isaiah saw Jehovah, he was looking at the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ.

false jw's when lying, and you tatime are one of the worst, are just talking naturally,



we christians have found you false apostles to be liars, constantly:

Rev_2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

the destiny of all liars:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


of course no liar is of God the Truth

this is speaking of satan and his ministers - the false jw's and others:

2Co 11:4  For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2Co 11:13  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 
2Co 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 
2Co 11:15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

another verse speaking about false jw's:

1Jn 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 

take a look here at the false jw's - false prophets:
https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/201#73623075

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm well that's how my Master, Lord and King often speak with assurance unlike other religious people whose beliefs aren't practicable. Matthew 7:27
Please instead of just criticizing me for speaking with assurance, why can't you also speak assuringly of your faith? Or are you doubting your salvation despite all this your arguments?
Pharisees,Sadusees,Scribes and other Rabbis of Jesus' day were trying to kill Him simply because He was speaking about His faith with 100% assurance. Matthew 26:64

false jw pharisee tatime
your master lord and king who is "a god" is of course a false god

truly you false jw's - false prophets who cannot stop falsely accusing and lying like your daddy, cannot be compared to the real Jesus in any way at all

keep fooling yourself, your god is the devil:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

@bold, i of course didn't criticize you for speaking with assurance, but for lacking faith and having to keep reassuring yourself
see how you twist and lie all the time like a good little false jw

johnw47:
your faith is so weak you have to keep reassuring yourself of your false faith

TATIME:
That's exactly what i'm pointing out to all of you!
You johnw47 said "we're made twofold more the child of hell than our teachers"
Yes we agreed that we have teachers that we're watching their ATTITUDE

glad you agree you false jw's become twofold the child of hell than your false jw teachers

TATIME: Initially you were fighting for your teachers because Jehovah's Witnesses labeled them as false leaders,

no i have never fought for my teachers because false jw's labelled them as false leaders, that's your lie no.1

TATIME: later you deserted your teachers

no i have never deserted my teachers the bible and the Holy Spirit, that's your lie no. 2

TATIME: and start claiming Christians with NO specific groups,

no i have never claimed to have no group, i have said i am non denominational
my group is the church of God, which are christian believers from all denominations
not just christians by name etc. but christians of real faith, that's your lie no. 3

TATIME: now you're furiously defending the same false Trinity doctrine

i am neither furious which i have told you before more than once,
and God and the Word being God which i have posted verses to show true, is not false, that's your lies no. 4&5

TATIME: your teachers that you're now ashamed of

i'm not ashamed of the bible and Holy Spirit, thats your lie no. 6

TATIME: to point as teachers taught you, but none of you came to this earth with Trinity, you were all taught by your various religious teachers.
More than 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses across the globe are solidly behind our own GB because they're ever reliable and trustworthy as true representatives of Jesus Christ today.

that's your lie no.7

TATIME: All these crying,screaming and agitation is just to make us become fugitives like you with no base, sorry we're not as blind and deaf spiritually like you.

your continued lying doesn't change the fact that you are blind and deaf spiritually, that's your lie no.8

TATIME: We know there is a young man called Jesus, He taught His followers how to be united as one big happy family, so if you can't point to any other group fitting that description then keep wandering around as fugitives but we'll ever remain submissive to our GB.

i have heard false jw say, "don't talk about Jesus He is no one" and another say
"after armageddon i'm going to have their big house over there"
your big happy family is in fact a hateful covertous family, that's your lie no.9

TATIME: After Jesus' ascension to heaven, many people became obedient to the faith, of course there were those that Jesus handed over the flock to, they were called Apostles. Act 2:42 compared to Matthew 16:19 John 21:15-17
We're convinced that our GB are ACTING as the Apostles today(though not attaching the title as names) that's why we're remaining obedient to them.

false jw's are false apostles, above is your lie no.10

everything about false jw's is false, this one post is just full of false accusations and lies
as many of your posts are, truly when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally like you daddy the devil:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

that verse describes false jw so exactly

TATIME:

I'm thanking all YOU critics for helping me to build more confidence and assurance in this one and only group preaching and teaching zealously across the globe as a united happy family "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Act 5:41
God bless all of YOU!

false jw tat, keep reassuring yourself, one day you will have enougth false faith to believe it


Act 5:41  And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

acts above is about true apostles, false jw's don't suffer shame, you are suffering hurt pride from being shown liars etc.

matthew below is concerning false jws - pharisee hypercrites:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

just look at what false jw's have made onej, such a foul mouth,
twofold more the child of hell than his teachers

it's amazing how you false jw's lie again and again and cannot see it:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

and it's amazing that you do not know that liars have no part in God's Kingdom:

Jesus talks to christians like the ones here showing up some of false jw's lies:
Rev_2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

and Jesus talks about false jw's:
Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

OneJ:
@johnw47 :


Your Daddy GOs, pastorpreneurs & gods of men whom U idolize & worship ,breeze done blow , and their y**sh dey wide open....
Una yeye smell pass carbide.

of course false jw onej you cannot stop lying over and over again
but you are just speaking naturally taking after your daddy the devil
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

if i had a pastor i would choose a honest one

OneJ:
Sir ,Gruni1234, thanks for your response.

The only issue here is actually the Greek grammatical construct ,( it's not about Jesus in John 1:1 or Paul in Acts 28:6).

1) In Acts 12:22, 28:6 remove indefinite articles ("a" inserted there & defend the results U get. Can U?

theos can mean God or a god, depending on where it's applied

the people said paul was a god because the people believed in many gods

john said the Word was God, because He is God, john 1:1, and as so many other verses show

OneJ: 2) Pls Explain Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34-36.
Shalom.

Psa 82:6  I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 
Joh 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 
Joh 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 

in psalms asaph called people gods, he was adressing many people, they are many gods
of course they are not the one true God, but a congeration of people
Jesus Christ of course cannot be called "a god" because so many scriptures show Him to be "God"

ask if you want to see some of those scriptures showing that

interested in seeing gruni's more detailed reply

OneJ:
Even after U quoted the scriptures, U had to twist it to sweeten your falsehood.
Your god died and resurrected himself.
Dubious man.
John 2:22
"After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he (Jesus) had said."

Who resurrected Jesus? Or Jesus resurrected himself ?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.... when He raised him (Christ) from the dead and seated him (Christ) at his right hand in the heavenly realms"
Eph 1:3,20.

" I keep asking that (Yahweh) the God of our Lord Jesus Christ , the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom" to comot this mumu trinity from your brain.
Eph 1:17

Paul & JWs dey pray for your deliverance....
Press. 'exit' mode.
The ball is in your court.

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
Joh 10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 

Act 2:24  Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.



Jesus raised Himself up, God raised Jesus
showing yet again that God and the Word is God
Father and Son is God
Father and Son is YAHWEH

so many bible verses show it, but false jw's don't believe them and would change their clear and plain meaning to say something else

as persons in God, Father and Son are two persons
as God, Father and Son are the one true God
that's why it can be said Father raised Son, and Jesus saying He will raise Himself
even the christians who don't understand it, have faith to believe scriptures and know it's true
false jw's with faith in the devil don't understand or believe

acts 2:24 above, it's possible for men to remain dead, but it is not possible for God in the flesh to remain dead,
His torture, execution, and temporary death was planned for the salvation of the world

it can only be said of God: "it was not possible that he should be holden of it"



Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 

again showing that the Spirit of the Father is the same Spirit of the Son - the Holy Spirit:

Joh_14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.




of course you don't understand or believe it false jw onej
how could you, you don't have God living in you, who affirms truth to His followers

^^^ just answering your confusion and disbelief in advance

OneJ:
"the Word" is one spirit.
"the God" is another spirit.
Both of them can NEVER be "that same one spirit, which is God"

let me show you your lies yet again
God and the Word is God, john 1:1, and many more, ask me and i will post them again
God is one, mar 12:29, not two gods as you false jw's believe
God is a Spirit, john 4:24
= God and the Word is a Spirit, one Spirit, but two persons in God,
God said let us make man in our image

OneJ: In the scriptures, Jesus says so (John 17:3. John 10:34-36) & common sense says that Yahweh is "the ONLY TRUE GOD.
The word "ONLY" speaks volumes which all mumu brain have shut out.

God and the Word is God, shows that God and the Word is Yahweh the only true God
there are many verses showing that Jesus is YAHWEH, do you want me to post them again? ha ha, of course you don't

shows who the mumu brain is, doesn't it

OneJ: Here is the Trinity... (copied & modified)
Who is God? Jesus~~~~not just Jesus, God is God and the Word, john 1:1
Is Jesus the son of Mary? Yes
Who created Mary? God
Who is Jesus? God~~~~partly right, in Spirit He is God, in the flesh He is the Son of God
Who resurrected Jesus? God
Did God have a beginning? No~~~~true, God - God and the Word, had no beginning
Then, who was born on Dec 25? Jesus~~~~duh, you don't know that the Word existed before being born a man, and i doubt that He was born on the 25th of December
Where's God? in heaven~~~~He is omnipresent - everywhere, in fact
How many are there in heaven?only one God~~~~there are many in heaven, but there is only one God
Where's Jesus? He sits at the right hand of God~~~ yes God and the Word sit on the throne of God
Then, how many seats? one.~~~~ one throne
how are they seated? On one chair.~~~~again, on one throne
It's only understood by those with ("holy"?) indeed satanic spirit.

your fairy tale there has many flaws, of course
i will show up your lies and confusion above in blue

OneJ: Can U see how confused they (trinity crew) are ?

your confusion false jw onej certinally can be seen

OneJ: "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus... has sent me to you... be filled with holy spirit."
"At once Saul began to preach.... that Jesus is the son of God" Acts9:17,20.
The man wey get the holy spirit preached that "Jesus is the son of God"

But Modern day Pharisees with satanic spirit preach the Trinity. Lol

oh duh the confusion, Jesus is the Son of God

OneJ:
@johnw47 :
U switched to another topic after your false trinity was battered & torn to shreds. Lol

oh duh, only in your mind was it

OneJ: Events of that period (1889) 200 years ago, have no bearing on the truth of God's word that JWs teach & practice today.

yes you keep changing your beliefs, i know that, that's why you are false prophets and contradict
what you used to say, oh double duh

OneJ: JWs are not perfect but more forthright & honest than U & your gods of men whose god is their belly AKA "I'm dangerously wealthy" upgraded from "my god is not a poor god". Phil3:19.

( Very soon the "wild beast" go show una hot pepper. U guys ain't seen nothing. Lol.)

U dey make empty noise for nothing , copy & paste falsehood.

oh cannot stop lying onej, jw magazines and dates were given
as for the rest, what confusion, smile

OneJ: Your Daddy GOs, pastorpreneurs & gods of men whom U idolize & worship ,breeze done blow , and their y**sh dey wide open....
Una yeye smell pass carbide.

ha ha, whatever you said

OneJ: "5 Old Beliefs Of Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper Life Which He Later Abandoned" (nairaland thread)

"FAKE!!!7 Prophecies By Top Nigerian Pastors In 2006 That Didn't Come To Pass"
https://www.nairaland.com

"Pastor Kumuyi: I Will Remove Some Doctrines Of Deeper Life ( Throwback Video)" (All these above are nairaland threads.).


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37924086
"Nigerian preacher TB Joshua deletes prophecy...."

laugh, i don't care what fake pastors say, as much as i don't care what you false jw's say
go back to bed you are not well

TATIME:
Atheism is increasing speedily in the hearts of billions of people,many are becoming disobedient to their former leaders be it spiritual,moral or political and advocating for self mindedness!
The Bible foretold a time when Satan will gather the greatest army of different people from all races against God's people. Revelations 20:8
I think atheism will be his perfect tool to accomplish this because today many churchgoers are liberating themselves,Muslims,Buddhists,Indus and many others are rebelling against their former superiors.
The only group that's ever remaining United globally as one big happy family under their leaders is Jehovah's Witnesses.
So i've come to the conclusion that this One and only group will soon become the target of all other demolished religious settings,because as the Bible said "all other religious groups will be banned by their former members who have gained ground in politics". Revelations 17:16
And after all their former religions have been destroyed,they will all later turn against Jehovah's Witnesses (who had NO members in politics). Ezekiel 38:14-16
That is when Jesus will come and destroy all His enemies!
So if you're not strictly attached to any religious group and you're advocating for interfaith as in saying "there shouldn't be a group" definitely you're preaching atheism,sons of disobedience! Ephesians 5:6
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and teaching around the world under the supervision of our GOVERNING BODY. That setting is what the "sons of disobedience" detests, but the MEEK ones(lost sheep of the house of Israel) will definitely find the organization to which they must be submissive under the law of the Christ. Psalms 37:11,Zephaniah 2:2,3,Matthew 5:5.
They will recognize the only group hearing the voice of the shepherd. John 10:27 And they will love to remain with the flock no matter what happens! Mark 14:27,28

your faith is so weak you have to keep reassuring yourself of your false faith, but your daddy will be pleased:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

jesusjnr:
So atheists now believe there is a God almighty that's not Yahweh or Jehovah, that they are now blaspheming His name with respect the someone else they called God almighty.

Wow I mean I knew you lacked spiritual knowledge, because of your ignorance or denial of the fact that hell fire exists, but I didn't know it ran this deep that you cannot simply distinguish the difference between Satanism and Atheism.

I mean this is supposed to be as simple as it gets spiritually but it seems your depth is in knowledge of the things of the world but not in those of God, and that's what you keep referring to as "substance".

Please broda johnw47 come help me out here, and help me teach this spiritual ignoramus Jehovah Witness how to identify an agent of Satan ...

tatime loves to hear himself talk, so to speak

i don't try and teach false jw's, just like i don't try and train rattle snakes
give not your pearls to the swine

try talking to people who are not full of bull, and who are not full of themselves

TATIME:
OK i'm ready to agree with your interpretation of the Bible but where should i go for worship as today is Sunday.

oh duh, read my above post

TATIME:
If someone following this thread agreed with you after reading all these your stories but wants to become a Christian anyway, which religious group do you think he/she should associate with as Christians? Hebrews 10:24,25
For example i've been following all these information with those posted by your friends saying Jehovah's Witnesses are false, but i want to associate with Christians, what other better performing group are you presenting as Christians? Of course you'll not tell me i can be a Christian all alone in my house without associating with other Christians.

i have told you before i'm not here to teach satans mob
as far as i am concerned you are lost
i'm here to show who satans mob is, through your lies
and you false jw's enable me to do that very often

as you can see from the jw false prophecies post, and from the jw contradictions post
false jw's take after their father the devil
they abide not in the truth,
when they speak lies they are just speaking naturally,
for they are liars and sons of the father of lies

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

CAPTIVATOR:
Bro , I said Gruni1234 is a pretender and underground trinitarian on this thread , an objective researcher would have asked questions as Tatime said to uncover areas which might not have been evident to an average reader , Bro many trinitarians believe that there is an Angel In the old testament whose identity is Jesus . If you have the time check this trinitarian website , and you too Gruni1234, https://crossexamined.org/who-is-the-angel-of-the-lord/
it says in part it becomes evident that the angel of the Lord is none other than the pre-incarnate Christ Himself

the article you postred that link to
says:
the angel of the Lord is Jesus
it also says the angel of the Lord is "Lord God Almighty"

so i guess you believe some parts of the article and not other parts
just like with the bible

TATIME:
If some people don't understand something,i think it's not a reason to become enraged at them. What a reasonable intellectual will do is to bring the explanation to the LOW level of the audience so that they can EASILY grasp it. Matthew 13:3-35
At John 3:12 Jesus said He uses earthly things(that's obvious) to teach but it's even difficult for His listeners to grasp so it's pointless trying to teach them heavenly things (that they can't even see)
What Trinitarians always claim is that TRINITY is a mystery, mystery means "cannot be understood or out of comprehension". So it can never be the fault of the one laughing at a doctrine that even those who claims to believe in it can't explain. John 1:1 has caused a lot of controversy amongst Bible scholars because many believes that the word WAS God means the word is presently not serving in that capacity, while others believes that the word is the Almighty. So on whatever side you find yourself, it becomes BARBARIC and most of all STUPID to become enraged at someone for his/her choice. undecided undecided

who is enraged?

but you false jw tat of course cannot help throwing lies into your posts,
that's just a natural thing for you to do

like your god, when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally, Joh_8:44

TATIME:
This statement is enough for me to understand where you TRULY belong!
I could recollect vividly that on the thread titled "How Jesus Christ was created" by one Otemsapien, an angry commentator was furious about how all the atheists on the podium became silent due to the powerful reasoning from one "Riofidelio".
I thought it was you because the Username of the confused commentator who was formerly arguing with the atheists but suddenly turned against me(Riofidelio) for silencing atheism that faithful day is "Johnw47". But if it's not you, please i tender my apology for the mistake.

false jw tat who cannot stop lying, i don't get furious posting against satans mob - false jw's and other non believers
and truly i never saw you put anyone in their place, but i did see see some stop replying to a big mouthed braggart,
but that's not you putting them in their place, laugh

by the way they are not atheists, they believe in multiple gods as you do,
you cannot get anything right false jw

you continue to puff yourself up, oh self righteous pharisee
but only in your own head are you as wonderful as you think you are, smile

and of course i know you, duh, i have been showing up your lies for, it must be months now
and i know you have multiple user names:
tatime, riofidelio, wum someone or other, you have deleted rio and wum
and you know how many other user names that you post with, oh deceiving one

Tatime: That day i indeed silenced all those atheists in their own thread, the username that i was bearing on NL back then is "Riofidelio". This new username "TATIME" belongs to my wife who is often amused at the comments of many misinformed churchgoers and atheists on NL.
God bless you!

confused puffed up false jw tatime, and hypercrite to boot

we have seen how false jw's are false prophets
and so not of God

here is a little on the contradictions of false jw's
written by a christian:


The Watchtower says it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements. Therefore, it is not God's organization.

Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization or Charles Taze Russell?

Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class who would be providing the spiritual food to God's family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests world wide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).
Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such," (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).
Watchtower claims to be only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.
Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization,'" (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).
Vatican is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).
Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?
Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:
"Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man," (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).
"For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? And again: 'I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me'? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him,'" (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).
No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:
"He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'" (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).
"What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the "Christian" school I had attended. Jehovah's Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped," (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).


Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1941
Armageddon will be in 1914
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).
Armageddon will be in 1941
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1915
Armageddon is in 1915
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." (The Time is at Hand, 1881, emphasis added. The date was changed to 1914 in a later edition.)
Armageddon is in 1914
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).

OneJ:
Everyone who viewed this thread is already aware that your other 4 fingers have judged & condemned U.
Because U no fit disprove all the scriptures that contradicted your flawed doctrine , u dey hide behind flimsy excuses.

@underline, talking about yourself again false jw onej, you do a lot of that

@bold' you mean every false jw who viewed this thread
ha ha, you couldn't say the truth if your life depended on it
and it does:

Rev_2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

TATIME:
Walahi Talahi this anti~jw virus is worst oooooooo.

you laughing boy tat cannot answer hairy and are running away with your tail between your legs

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.