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MuttleyLaff:
Rubbing hands together
From the goodness of your heart and for a novice in God, like me, to see,
please provide all other verses, apart from Job 38:7, that you confidently know, are where "the sons of God" are angels

novice mutt, i and others have shown in many posts that job 38:7 is angels, which you are blinded to,
believe job 38:7 and then i will show you other where the sons of God are angels

MuttleyLaff:
It is easy for me to understand and sympathise with you.
You're caught up in this situation, where you're finding it hard to deal with and/or accept the truth.

oh truly blinded one, "morning stars" - "sons of god" in job 38 are angels which a novice in God can see

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

MuttleyLaff: 1/ Have you spotted and seen the chief difference between Job 38:7 and your "brought to the rescue verse" Psalms 18:6?
2/ Are you saying the "morning stars" (i.e. constellation) and "sons of God" (i.e. sun and moon) cant with song and shout, praise God?
3/ Now, please tell,
from where & how did you infer that the "morning stars" & "the sons of God" are separately referring to angelic celestial beings?
4/ You do realise, you've held on to "Lord" and "God" in Psalms 18:6?
Why havent you swapped the words "Lord" and "God" to mean anything else other than God, a word originally in the verse?

you sure are confused mutt, the sun moon and stars could not be singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth before they are created, but the angels could, and did

MuttleyLaff: Laugh to your full delight
You may laugh now, thinking its funny
but just remember, he who laughs last, laughs the best

To me, this is a long haul, not a sprint

yes i have noticed you defend your lies over a long haul, pages and pages of twisting
you cannot admit wrongs and your lies beget more lies

MuttleyLaff: Give me three examples, like for and/or with "morning stars" and "sons of God" in them,
then we can talk and talk properly, it shall be.

You can see the consistent behaviour or treatment in using and maintaining the use of "Lord" and "God" in your 3 example?
Do the same with "morning stars" and "sons of God"

What do we have with Job 38:7?
We have, "morning stars" and "sons of God" fabricated to mean angels.
You cant even reproduce "morning stars" and "sons of God" like you've done doing with "Lord" and "God". SMH.

you have been shown wrong by others to, but you cannot admit your wrongs on job 38
and pathetically run away from it in confusion
most everyone can see your rubbish and twisting and lies that you post

Isa 3:24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink;

a couple more:

just as "morning stars" and "sons of God" in job 38 are angels,
"Lord" and "God" in these verses are not two identies but one:

Psa_18:6  In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God:

Psa_46:7  The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

Mobilia:
Brother,
Why are you laughing at him?
That's a beautiful answer to the question I posed. He answered with scripture...saying that he is a student of the Word.
I asked him the question cause the brother obviously goes deep into the Word. He's trying....which says a whole lot.
Now he and I have disagreed in the past on some points of doctrine (and probably will in the future )....and his "wit" and "humor" (sometimes inappropriately...don't bash me MuttleyLaff) is second to none.
However, those of us who claim Christianity need to discuss issues lovingly and respectfully.

not just at him, you asked him if he was a theology major, that was funny

and he replied: Psalm 119: 97-176, that was really funny

MuttleyLaff:
johnw47, what purpose does the below writing serve, when written this way:
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

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as opposed to having it written like this other way:
"When the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy"


You're creating an invented tautology, if you equate "morning stars " & "the sons of God" to mean the same thing (i.e. angelic beings)

It is just so incongruous, to be true, that
"morning stars " & "the sons of God" are both used in one sentence, as in Job 38:7, to mean angelic celestial beings
but hey what's my own, its kuku not up to me, to make you believe.

mutt, you don't understand God's word

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

^^^ is describing angels



Psa_24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

"blessings from the Lord" and "righteousness from the God of his salvation" in that verse are not referring to two identies but one
just as "morning stars' and "sons of god" in job 38 are referring to angels,
not sun, moon, and constellation, duh

facts are: the morning stars - the sons of God, in job 38 are angels,
they were singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth,
before the sun and the moon and the stars were made,
the morning stars - the sons of God in job 38 are not the sun , the moon and a constellation,
but keep fooling yourself

MuttleyLaff:
"¹Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
²Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
³Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
(i.e. Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them)
⁴Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
⁵Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
⁶Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
⁷When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
- Job 38:1-7

You are more clued up and smarter than this johnw47
Is it really necessary to spell this out
and/or painstakingly show where/how God took Job to task about creation?
(i.e. where and how God challenged Job to a question and answer session)

God, with a flurry of questions, was bombarding Job
At Job 38:7, the haphazardly questioning, had moved on and away from laying down the foundations of the earth etcetera,
to where was Job, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy

Yes, johnw47, I said and still maintain that the morning stars singing are constellations
and that the sons of God shouting are the sun and moon

Do you understand the difference between invented truth and discovered truth?
Dont worry, if you dont, as I'll a tad bit, explain below next
You learned a manufactured truth because you havent yourself discovered the truth about Job 38:7

You're creating an invented tautology, if you equate "morning stars" & "the son of Gods" to mean the same thing (i.e. angelic beings)

johnw47, what purpose does this writing serve, written this way:
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

as opposed to having it written like this other way:
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

It is just so incongruous to be true that "morning stars" & "the son of Gods" in Job 38:7 are angelic celestial beings
but hey what's my own, its kuku not up to me, to make you believe.

I am just an angel, so dont shoot me, the messenger, just because you've missed the message.

mutt, if you didn't have your lack of understanding, your inability to admit a wrong, your absence of a clue, then you wouldn't have anything

MuttleyLaff:
It is embarrassing and disgraceful to see that you didnt properly read the post and subsequent ones like the one immediately above

It's either you in a quick or hasty manner read the post or you're being mischievious and so communicating lies
You dont need laughs from me because you are a real barrel of laughs the way you responded to the post

SMH, there is always going to be the one, that will be feeling uncomfortable, when truth is told

Please show from this thread or any other place,
where I said, anything about the constellation singing and sun & moon shouting, on a first day the earth was formed.

If you cant show where, if you are unable to produce anything,
then please, retract your false accusations
and tender public apologies accordingly

I know your accusations are unfounded
Now, you being one, that does understands the meaning of honour and integrity
can be expected to know the needful that needs to be done here

Dont let me down. I trust you to eat humble pie and swallow pride

Just a brotherly and friendly advice, next time, all it will take, will be a question(s) to clear matters up

If you had asked, I would have for free, told you that
it was at the end of creation that the singing and shouting together happened
and not the first day nor fourth day you've misundertood the post and Job 38:7 to be saying

oh duh mutt, false accuser, you sure have little understanding, and are unable to admit you are wrong
job 38 tells of the angels, referred to their as the morningt stars, the sons of God,
singing and shouting at the beginning of the creation of the earth,
when God laid the corner stone of the earth,
which means when God first started the earths creation the angels were singing and shouting
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 
Job 38:7  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 

you mutt also said the morning stars and sons of god in verse 7 is the sun and moon and a constellation,
you haven't a clue, the sun moon and stars didn't exist at the beginning of earths creation


[color=#800000]Muttley[/color] thanks again for the [color=#800000]Laff[/color]

Mobilia:
CC: MuttleyLaff
(Are you a theology major? Just wondering..)

MuttleyLaff:
Psalm 119: 97-176

ha ha

MuttleyLaff:
Look brother, the sons of God, there, in Job 38:7, are the sun and the moon. No more, no less.
As for the morning stars (i.e. plural star), they, simply are a constellation

The constellation sang together, and the sun & moon shouted for joy

mutt, the sun and moon and constellation couldn't have sung and shouted when the earth was formed on the first day
because the sun and moon and stars were not made until the fourth day


Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 
Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 
Gen 1:4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 
Gen 1:5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 


Gen 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 
Gen 1:15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 
Gen 1:16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 
Gen 1:17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 
Gen 1:18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 
Gen 1:19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 

[color=#800000]Muttley[/color] thanks for the [color=#800000]Laff[/color]

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bit of topic to thread but good info.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

^^^ God and the Word is God

vvv the throne of God is the throne of God and the Lamb

Rev 3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 22:1  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Rev 22:3  And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 







 
Rev 22:5  And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. 

^^^ the Lord God giveth them light

vvv the glory of God did lighten it, the Lamb is that light

Rev 21:23  And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

JMAN05:
But what is there in the bible that would make us to dogmatically state that the universe is created in six literal days? When we look at the bible text on this topic, we see that the bible didn't fix the duration of the days mentioned therein. The bible do not often have 24hrs in mind when "days" are used.

God being able to see a day as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day
means God is way above mortal man, and eternity is diffrent to time



24 hour days equate to the creation days of genesis 1

Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 
Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

OLAADEGBU:
Can 'Asking to know Him and Seeking Him before hand' be counted as works?

if you are of the chosen, God chose you in Christ before He made the world, He led you to seek Him and He leads you into all good works, the works and the credit are all His


Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, ....
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


you can give credit for good works to yourself
or you can give it to God to whom it belongs

we are but dust, we were like filthy rags
if it were not for Him we would be going the way of the rest of the world

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

grace, salvation, and faith: all from God

grace is God's gifts to persons, incidentally receiving grace is the opposite of being cursed, like are the goats

salvation is by grace, it's a gift of God

saving faith in Christ comes from God

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

God grants the privilege of believing-having faith on Christ




all good is from God

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

solite3:
you don't even know what you are saying,

keep on lying and fooling yourself phony

solite3:
smh, why were they cursed by God?

sol since you don't believe God that the goats are cursed
i won't waste the few seconds of time that it would take
to tell you the very very simple answer that even a novice
christian would know or be easily able to look up in the bible
that they unlike you believe

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,.....

OLAADEGBU:
Shouldn't 'Believing' be counted as 'works' if you are consistent with your definition of what you term to be works?

true believing-faith is not works (God does the works in the saved) it's a gift of God,
believers can take no credit at all for their faith, except that God granted it to them
because they asked to know Him, they sought Him before hand

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

solite3:
smh, where did I say goats are stubborn people? read up, people's post very well before replying

OLAADEGBU:
Goats are always stubborn.

solite3:
yea, a description of the unregenerated man.

unregenerated man = people

sol, oh what a tangled web you weave
lies begets lies

Pro 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Pro 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: ....


the goats are not stubborn people, although some could be stubborn, they would be liars though sol,
cursed by God liars

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,.....

solite3:
smh, where did I say goats are stubborn people? read up, people's post very well before replying

duh sol, your twisting of your lies is just more lying

goats are stubborn = people not born again

solite3:
Goats are stubborn by nature, this is a clear description of the man who is not bornagain

you are clearly wrong yet again sol, the goats are those cursed by God
being stubborn is hardly even a sin, oh duh

solite3:
Goats are stubborn by nature, this is a clear description of the man who is not bornagain

sol, again you just talk out of your head
the goats are not clearly stubborn people at all, or else skeptical and stubborn thomas just to name one
would be of the goats, the goats are those cursed of God for not following Him and His way, not having faith



Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come,.....


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,.....

Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.



just a few from very very many people praising posts:

jiggaz:
Wonderful piece!! Well done my brother bloodofthelamb

bloodofthelamb:
Excellent post brother.

solite3:
jiggaz you have really bless souls

^^^ more like pharisees than christians

bloodofthelamb:
Acts 20:32_ And now, brethren I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them that are sanctified.

God clearly did not commend us to the word of his wrath and judgement but to the word of his beautiful grace. Beware of men who preaches wrath, law and judgement for they are not sent by God.

of course that's not Bibical what you say but just out of your head like much of what you speak
you are speaking there of most of the writers of the Bible, including Jesus, paul and john:



Luk_21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rev_6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

wrath is not for the church, but is for all sinners which even the church was

bloodofthelamb:
They are wolves in sheep clothing.

those who preach the wrath of God which is bibical are of course believers, they would hardly be described as being wolves in sheeps clothing, that description is given to false prophets, false churches false preachers, false christians appearing to be lambs but are in fact wolves who claim to prophecy in Christ's name and who claim to cast out devils in His name and who claim to do many wonderful works in His name, and who continually praise each other etc. etc.


Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

geoworldedu:
Is Yahweh's Pennis also there?

there will be all the peniis your heart desires

solite3:
what did you say concerning them?

duh sol, read the posts

solite3: did you read jig's comment and my comment, where did we make such a claim?

i said you and bloodof, can you comprehend anything,
your false claim is at the bottom of this post

solite3: at bold what do you mean by a believer will be fully born again?

i said what it means, but you can't see it

solite3: you said only the faithful are righteous in God's eyes? the bible speak contrary



Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

i said God looks on the faithful as righteous

johnw47:
God looks on the faithful as righteous

you false teachers cannot help but lie, that's why you are false teachers

solite3: christians cannot sin in the sense of continuously living in sin,
I never said a Christian cannot sin.

if you can sin, it can't be said you are not a sinner, you lie and contradict yourself again sol

solite3:
for example as a bornagain, the Bible says you cannot sin what does this mean? it mean as a bornagain you are not a sinner( fornicator, liar, dishonest man etc), when you begin to live in this reality then you are walking in the Spirit.

bloodofthelamb:
I hear you, but stop being an online stalker. That is not what the Lord you claim to know, sent you to do.

i have exposed only a couple of your false teachings, but continue to lie bloodof and call it what you want

geoworldedu:
Yahweh's pennis is still missing

google gay hangouts and you will see places where you can find all the peniis you want

geoworldedu:
Yahweh's Pennis is still missing

you will find plenty of what you are looking for here:
homosexual hangouts at Maza-maza, a densely populated area at Mile Two along the Badagry express way is currently the beehive of gay activities

bloodofthelamb:
We have heard you, you are the only one filled with the Holy Ghost. All the treasures of wisdom are in you. Oh theologian John. In the last day Jesus will give you a pat at the back saying, weldone!

So can you let us be now, oh faithful Christian! Or are you now the Judge of all things.

no bloodof, Jesus isn't a back slapping people pleaser as you and your few are

very interisting posts bloodof, not

bloodofthelamb:
What is your problem john? You have made your point known and I have taken notice. I did ignore you, but yet you keep mentioning me. Seeking my attention.

Did they send you to be a "torn in the flesh" for me in this forum? Why don't you ignore me, if you don't agree with me? Eeh!

well it's like this, i ignore you when i want to, and I post to you when i want to
the same as all do in a forum, oh duh bloodof

solite3:
hello John, I m sorry the way jig spoke to you, we believers ought ought to be mindful of being puffed up by the flesh, we ought to correct in love not in anger.
But you were wrong in the way you kept on attacking bloodofthelamb and jig

what i said to bloodof and jig is true, it matters not that you think it wrong

solite3: again, if you accuse jig of preaching the wrong gospel please kindly state his wrong gospel so at least others can learn.

the wrong gospel i spoke of is you and bloodof saying believers no longer sin, i said my peice on it
in the post you are replying to

solite3: to be born again is not a processs, it is a one time event that does not repeat itself, but spiritual growth and transformation is a process that never stops until the believer sees christ.

who talked about "a process"? being born again while flesh is referring to being saved, having a change in heart and gaining a personal relationship with Jesus Christ etc
believers are fully born again when changed from mortal to immortal, that's when believers stop sinning, that's when we see Christ as He is, because then we are fully like Him, that's when we are born of Spirit,
perishable to imperishable

solite3: @bold, that is wrong, when a man is born again he is free from sin. Righteousness is gift not a reward for excellence or faithfulness.

once again, did someone say "Righteousness is a reward for excellence or faithfulness"
and if you are going to say something is wrong then at least give scriptures to prove it and not just anything out of your head

solite3: As many who believes on the Lord Jesus for their sin to be forgiven and to be saved, God forgives and justify( declare them righteous) irrespective of their sinful state.

and what has that to do with christians no longer sinning?

jig it's very clear now that you didn't put anyone in their place big time at all in 2015
people would have stopped posting to you because of your satanic foul mouth language