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solite3:
thank you Lord I am the righteousness of God in Christ

one who lies and supports lies is not in Christ
you lot keep fooling yourselves

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

otem you are so weak, you have threads all over nairaland trying to convince yourself that
you are very powerful, even more so than YAHWEH

there is not one here that is weaker than you otem, quite a few equal to you though,
you can take consolation in that

Heb 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 
Heb 6:5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 
Heb 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 

you otem were once part of the strength
just look at you now and forever, oh God hater

ha ha,

OtemAtum:
I know what I am. I am a great god, greater than all religious gods combined. I have power over Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Eshu, El, etc They all cringe at the mention of my name OTEM!

Matthew told you this lie of everlasting punishment and you swallow it hook, line and sinker? Even Yahweh who wish to put people in everlasting punishment is currently held captive in a spiritual prison whose key is in my hands. So be sure of what you're saying before saying it.

In my two months of staying away, I saw this D. Lawrence you are talking about. He is in a very peaceful state at the moment. It's your ignorance that's making you think of something otherwise. May the light of GOD ALMIGHTY which created Yahweh and Allah reveal the truth to you.

otem, you left the true faith in YAHWEH, and look at what that caused you,
you have become a raving lunatic

OtemAtum:
I am not in your group of souls. I am a god greater than Yahweh your god. I have the power of thousands of gods.

fairy tale otem, no one is weaker than you and your god satan, god of doctufos

OtemAtum:
Yahweh and Allah are not the same. They were friends and later became enemies to each other such that they both fought for supremacy and fell together into the bottomless pit.
Nimshi 5:35, 36
35. And Yahweh tore his cloth off his own body such that Allah began to fall. But Allah opened his mouth and yelled a great yell which also blew Yahweh off the mountain at another side of the mountain.
36. And they both fell and landed into the great pit they had made themselves. And the saying of God the Consciousness was fulfilled.

otem the fairy tale teller

OtemAtum:
I'm not a theist and I'm also not an atheist. I am Otem, the one who is greater than Yahweh, [s]Allah, Vishnu, Odin, Moloch and all gods who have ever grazed the earth.[/s] I am the deliverer of the world from mind slavery.

deluded otem, your fall from faith in God started with a lie from your now god-satan(that the God of the Bible is not Almighty God),
and now look at where you are, you a weakling claiming to be greater than God

OtemAtum:
I'm not a theist and I'm also not an atheist. I am Otem, the one who is greater than Yahweh, [s]Allah, Vishnu, Odin, Moloch and all gods who have ever grazed the earth.[/s] I am the deliverer of the world from mind slavery.

you are deluded and eternally lost, that's what you are:

Heb 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 
Heb 6:5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 
Heb 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

otem, bloodofthelamb and solite3 also don't reply to me,
because lies and saying diffrent to God is what they do also,
and you hate being exposed for what you are, liars

y'all are painted with the same brush

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[color=#ffffff]Bacteriologist[/color]
yes otem is that and more, but with very weird jargon

otem:
7. I am the powerhouse of all good and penitent gods.
9. I am the part of God(Existence) where universal histories are kept.

etc.etc.etc.
very weird indeed, but acceptable to all the know nothings

otem: 10. There is no god in the universe who has been robed with a great glory as me, therefore Allah, Yahweh, Moloch, El, Enlil and their likes cannot withstand me in strength.

otem, this is yet another idea you get from the Bible,
YAHWEH-God Almighty created lucifer with more beauty than any of the angels,
and lucifer became proud thinking i will ascend to the throne and overthrow God

of course he failed and is now known as satan the devil,
he is the god of you otem, and of doctufos

Isa 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 
Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 
Isa 14:15  Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 

Eze 28:13  Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 
Eze 28:14  Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 
Eze 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 
Eze 28:16  By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 
Eze 28:17  Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:

otem, you at first wrote in doctufos that reverad was the name of your almighty god,
until i pointed out that you or someone else wrote in doctufos that reverad didn't know if he
created the universe or if the universe created him
so you changed your almighty god to existance or some such thing, you got that from the Bible
which says that "I AM" means to exist
much of your doctufos ideas-nonsense is copied and changed words from the Bible
you turn truth into lies

Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

I AM
הָיָה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root; to exist

otem: 5. I am the whirlwind sent to scatter the philosophies of Yahweh

your god satan couldn't scatter snow in a blizzard
and you do know as well as i do that satan is the god of doctufos

otem: 10. There is no god in the universe who has been robed with a great glory as me, therefore Allah, Yahweh, Moloch, El, Enlil and their likes cannot withstand me in strength.

you are of course deceived, satan your god is a snivelling weakling, like his followers



but otem, you will join your god and be with him forever and ever;

Revelation 20:10

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 20:15 and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

the reason you habitual liars choose to ignore my posts, is because the alternative
is more of your lies, which also will be exposed

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

bloodofthelamb:
Belove of God! I asked you a straight forward question instead of answering politely, you turn to your normal way accusation and calling of names.

Grow up in your thinking bro.

bloodof, you know very well i didn't say you lied because you asked a question,
but because you said that Jesus taught to pray to "the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)"
when Jesus in fact taught to pray to the Father

see how you just lie and lie and lie, lying begets lies as you fake christians continually show,
and sol supports you all the way in your lies against what Jesus said, all the way to hell

your false words against Christ's true words and sol's supporting your false words against Christ's true words makes you both antichrists



1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

bloodof and sol, you both lie and support lies denying what Jesus said,
you don't believe what Jesus said = you don't believe in Him
you are both antichrist,
whoever denies the son denies the Father also

1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus said, "we shall know the truth and it will make us free."

The absolute truth is important for our liberty and wellbeing.

bloodof, an habitual lie teller as yourself cannot know the truth,
you and your supporter in lies, sol, are blinded to truth:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


you are both self righteous phonies, lying and supporting lies even against Jesus Christ

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus clearly gave us a guide on how to pray in Luke 11. It is in line with how Jesus taught us to pray.

Directing our prayer and request to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)

johnw47:
neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

and you bloodof squirmed away from the truth of the matter that i showed you,
and sol your brother and supporter in lies even against Christ, said to you: "learn to ignore him"

solite3:
normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

bloodofthelamb:
Thank you bro. I have already learned that.

really! is that what you two are doing now, ignoring me

you fake christians keep on showing that lies beget more lies

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

bloodofthelamb:
Belove of God! I asked you a straight forward question instead of answering politely, you turn to your normal way accusation and calling of names.

Grow up in your thinking bro.

but you did lie bloodof, you claimed Jesus taught to pray to Himself and the Holy Ghost,
i showed that Jesus taught to pray to the Father

you lied and instead of admitting your lies, you twist and run away from it, as you always do,
and sol supports your lies instead of supporting the truth of what Jesus said,
but that's typical and the way of self righteous, people pleasing, pretend christians

Mat 15:8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 
Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

solite3:
normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

people pleaser, supporting man's lies over God's word

bloodofthelamb:
Is praying to Jesus Christ unscriptural?

bloodof, you lied to begin with and now you twist - lie - change the subject because your lies were bought to your attention

i of course never said praying to Jesus Christ is unscriptual, whether that be so or not,
that's just you running away yet again from truth

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

don't twist-lie, just address the part of my reply you think is incorrect, if possible for you:

johnw47: neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

as for 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

that's a blessing from paul, not a prayer to Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus clearly gave us a guide on how to pray in Luke 11. It is in line with how Jesus taught us to pray.

Directing our prayer and request to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)

neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

as for 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

that's a blessing from paul, not a prayer to Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost

geoworldedu:
Yahweh's peniis?

i have already told you geo:

johnw47:
google gay hangouts and you will see places where you can find all the peniis you want

geo, you cannot get peniis out of your mind,
which lends to the saying:

"for where your treasure is there will your heart be also"

God has no beginning - no mother
the Word became man
mary is the mother of God "in the flesh" - big diffrence

she of course was not the mother of God before he became flesh



Psa 90:2  Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Luk 1:35  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Emusan:
Atheists will tell you that if you use microscope you'll see the shadow...

if there is a slight shadow seen under magnification
it would be from smoke
unlike light, that dark stuff does cast a shadow

brocab:
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him
-to close gives you away.

MuttleyLaff:
For the umpteenth time, I am not Petra1.

paranoia is not from God
many in the religion forum have it

another example:

TATIME:
Someone posted this picture on pages 2 of this thread, please OneJ remind us who did. Please don't mention Emusan (the disguised achorladey) on NL.

Job 38:1  Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 
Job 38:2  Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 
Job 38:3  Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 
Job 38:4  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 
Job 38:5  Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 
Job 38:7  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

those verses above and below also show that God of the old testament who laid the foundations of the earth
is the Word who became Jesus Christ


Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he(Father) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 
Heb 1:11  They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 
Heb 1:12  And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

.

MuttleyLaff:
You keep saying when the sun and the moon and the stars were not even created yet
and I keep trying to veer off that train or line of thought

The Job chapter 38-39 grilling of Job, wasnt done in accordance to a creation logical sequence
When Job was put on the spot, the intense questioning did not follow a strict order, it was done in a haphazard fashion

God questioned job in a haphazard fashion, says a son of satan

MuttleyLaff: It wasnt where were you when sun and the moon and the stars created
but rather where were you the when the stars sang and the sun and the moon shouted

mutt you don't only disbelieve God, but you change and twist what He said, which is you calling God a liar:
for starters God didn't say sun and moon and stars in job 38, but said morning stars and sons of God
and God didn't say "where were you when the morning stars sang and the sons of God shouted"
God said, Job 38:4  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?

God also said:
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 
Job 38:7  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?



you mutt couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it
and it does


you don't believe God and that makes you a believer of the adversary
you have been blinded by satan, the god you do believe

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

satan when he speaks a lie is just speaking naturally, you take after him mutt

mutt, your personal text:

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed" - Friedrich Nietzsche

that is you to a t


your signature;

"The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off "

the first part doesn't apply to you, but the truth certinally does piss you off

MuttleyLaff:
Very good observation.
I am very grateful, that you're carefully reading and now given thoughts to what and how I type

ha ha, i have been replying to what you type, but twisting-lying appears all you can do

MuttleyLaff: You keep saying when the sun and the moon and the stars were not even created yet
and I keep trying to veer off that train or line of thought

The Job chapter 38-39 grilling of Job, wasnt done in accordance to a creation logical sequence
When Job was put on the spot, the intense questioning did not follow a strict order, it was done in a haphazard fashion

It wasnt where were you when sun and the moon and the stars created
but rather where were you the when the stars sang and the sun and the moon shouted

the verses are very clear, and you don't believe God's word and say He meant something else

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

MuttleyLaff: I can see with the strikeout that, its true that old habits die hard

oh duh mutt, truly Jesus being able to make stones cheer Him if the people didn't,
has nothing to do with job 38

MuttleyLaff: I cant be more fairer that this or can I

Thinking of this, it's you who isnt being fair here, you havent at all
All because you want to maintain "the sons of God" status quo that was fabricated
I have asked you to ask if you have any questions for me
or if you require sign-posted clarifications for simpler and easier understanding
on why and/or how "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon
but you've done nada about the two generous offers, instead you revert to groundless claims that I havent given any facts or facts supported by scripture

mutt, your confusion is supassed only by your twisting-lies
i have shown with scripture that you are wrong,
why would i ask you to give me one of your twisted explanations
on your false beliefs
why would i ask you a dishonest one for more lies
oh duh mutt

MuttleyLaff:
Saying, I cannot explain, is not true johnw47.

I can admit, I havent, in an excessive or forceful way, explained the why and/or how "the morning stars"
and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon

For most people johnw47, this matter, is uncharted territory,
and so is part of why, you havent yet, in any noticeably large extent, read me, explain

Another good and valid reason, why you're yet to see me prominently explain, is that,
I am conscious of, what will be for some, a likely adverse effect, because of an exposure to information overload.

So, what I have, in terms of explaining, so far, done?



I have just did, with the immediate above.

Here are two another "copy and paste" below





I don’t mind any, disputing my assertion that "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7,
are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon
Everyone is welcome to disagree with me as strongly as they come. I really don’t mind.

Afterall, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done.
Little by little, bit by bit, that is exactly what I'll be doing, presenting just facts and backed up with scripture verses.
I leave twisting for the contortionists and pros, who are the best at doing just that

I know what I bring to the table, so trust me when and/or if I say, I am not afraid to eat alone
I don't have a horse in this race, no ulterior motive etcetera

Lastly, I have to commend you for refraining yourself from using epithets in your comment
It’s not that hurling epithets about bothers me personally,
but it's always a breath of fresh air and good thing to read matured, courteous and polite clean posts.

Having said and done all this,
now, on the matter of "the morning stars" & "the sons of God", in Job 38:7,
being metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon
have you any questions for me or require sign-posted clarifications for simpler and easier understanding
on why and/or how "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon ?

Heb 1:5  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

mutt, heb 1 is showing that God never begat angels, they are not begotten sons, Christ is the only begotten Son of God, that doesn't stop job etc. referring to angels as sons of God, no one refers to them as begotten sons of God

on a side note: heb 1 also shows that Jesus was not a angel which some believe



Jas 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

mutt, God is the Father of lights, that doesn't mean the morning stars and the sons of God in job 38 is a constellation and the sun and the moon, when the sun and the moon and the stars were not even created yet
 
Job 38:6  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7  When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

from another post:
mutt, Jesus could have had the stones cheer if the people didn't, that also doesn't mean the sun moon and stars were singing and shouting in job 38, oh duh

Luk_19:40  And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.


i asked for facts, you haven't any
some here have given facts supported by scripture which you don't believe mutt

MuttleyLaff:
¹And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
² That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
- Genesis 6:1-2

In a sentence, my stand on Genesis 6:1-2, is that
the sons of God in the Genesis 6:2 aren't angels
nor are they the sun and moon metaphors used in Job 38:7

mutt, you keep saying that but you cannot explain why "the morning stars" in job 38:7 is a metaphor for a constellation, and you cannot explain why "all the sons of God" in job 38:7 is a metaphor for the sun and the moon

if you feel you have done so then copy and paste it again here, that's an easy thing for you to do,
keep your quotes to just the facts and backing scripture, leave out all the twisting

MuttleyLaff:
This is emotional blackmail.
If you're sure and confident about them, you wouldnt be forcing a "believe Job 38:7", on me first and before you presenting them

i'm not forcing anything
you are saying lies
i am stating truth

you mutt just keep going round in twisting circles, because you can't say truth