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emmanuelex1:
Let me show your ignorance now, I will quote some Bible verses referencing Mary for you to understand a little about Catholicism but first prove to me you are not ignorant by typing the words of the most popular recitation about Mary Catholics mostly say. If you do this I will quote verses for you to now understand since it is obvious you do not want to see a Priest. Please reply this quote with the recitation and I will appreciate a fast response like you recently did.

ha ha what a phony, trying to avoid posting Bible verses, and needing an excuse to post verses from the Bible.
oh ignorant accuser emman, the most popular recitation about Mary Catholics mostly say is the "hail mary"

Now stop lying and running away and post these Bible verses showing mary is to be prayed to.

emmanuelex1:
Enjoy your ignorance, I can see you just talk anyhow

emmanuelex1:
I do not understand what you are even mean, run from what, do I owe you? In as much as I choose to reply you ignorance I owe you no explanation. I hope you know that. I know who I serve and I do not think I serve God becos of you or anybody. Go meet a Priest to address your concerns, but please learn how to talk before you go.

ha ha the one who knows nothing calls others ignorant.



emman replies to all and everything:

"you ignorance"

emmanuelex1:
I expected to reference the Bible not dictionary

Good, then why don't u do it, reference the Bible and start posting truth for once.

^^^ I will b waiting 4ever 4 that 2 happen

emmanuelex1:
I am a false accuser you said now again, hope your heart is not disturbing you? Please GOD be our Judge because he knows those that serve him.

Yes u r a false accuser, will say it as often as u want,

heart's good accuser, not yours though, as u know.

emmanuelex1:
I am not black mailed by your utterances, from my childhood I have being arguing with people like you. I have shown them many Bible verses, you can even google them these days by simply typing bible verses quoting Mary, but I discovered that I was into an endless argument due to their ignorance. Please I challenge you to meet a Catholic Priest to ask your questions and get all answers you need if you truly seek the truth and not argument. Catholic Church is everywhere stop being ignorant.

@bold, u mean people like me who post Bible verses to support their claims,

@underline, show me some, please, ha ha

u r still lying, the reason u r not posting Bible verses is because there r none showing mary is to be prayed to, u still running away.



your ignorance is only surpassed by your accusing and lies.

emmanuelex1:
Even if I quote some verses in the scripture to support my claims like I did to a member of anti catholic crusader agents like you, I only discovered that it produced more argument, If you think you know the bible so well go and meet a Catholic priest and seek your answers instead of calling people cowards on line.

@blue, What a pathetic excuse for not posting Bible verses
@blue bold, I'm anti false beliefs-anti lies, whether they be from rc or false jw or whoever,
but u the false accuser is still at it

@bold black, Those who run away from a topic, such as "showing bible verses for praying to mary" and reply with false accusations-lies, are indeed cowards.

emmanuelex1:
You call me accuser and reference the Bible, please just allow God to be the Judge, he our heart better.

u r a false accuser, do u want me to post your accusing lies again?

emmanuelex1:
Please define truth

ha ha, that's your reply to this:

johnw74:
emman the bad mouthed false accuser who calls truth ignorance

So you continue to run away from what is said and avoid answering,
that's what cowards do.
show scripture where we are to pray to mary, I'm not interisted in your own ideas of faith which just come out of your head, pick up the Bible and prove your points.

Christians pray only to God, but you wouldn't know about that bad mouth:

Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.



emman is this fella @bold your god:
Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

look up in dictionary.

emman the bad mouthed false accuser who calls truth ignorance

So you continue to run away from what is said and avoid answering,
that's what cowards do.
show scripture where we are to pray to mary, I'm not interisted in your own ideas of faith which just come out of your head, pick up the Bible and prove your points.

Christians pray only to God, but you wouldn't know about that bad mouth:

Mat_6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.



emman is this fella @bold your god:
Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

emmanuelex1:
Enjoy your ignorance, I can see you just talk anyhow

emmanuelex1:
I do not understand what you are even mean, run from what, do I owe you? In as much as I choose to reply you ignorance I owe you no explanation. I hope you know that. I know who I serve and I do not think I serve God becos of you or anybody. Go meet a Priest to address your concerns, but please learn how to talk before you go.

emmanuelex1:
The Mistake you continously make which I do not know if it is a genetic issue is that------ I ask Mary to pray for me, not praying to Mary(in terms of worship) please employ any English translator close to you to help you explain.

You emman, say I continually make the mistake of saying you are praying to mary in worship

I had posted to you at the time of your post just four times, only twice about the topic of praying to mary,
that's hardly consistently, and I never once said you pray to mary in worship


However, try and show that you are not a liar-a false accuser, and point out those continuos mistakes of mine,
saying that you are praying to mary in worship,
just one will do.

emmanuelex1:
The Mistake you continously make which I do not know if it is a genetic issue is that------ I ask Mary to pray for me, not praying to Mary(in terms of worship) please employ any English translator close to you to help you explain.

@bold, Try posting in truth,
I have talked about praying to mary, not about praying to mary in worship or in anything specific.

Your post above doesn't even address anything I said in my post, that your reply is to,
don't run away from the issue here, changing the subject and falsely accusing, just because you cannot reply,
be a man and reply to what is said.


you wrongly say I need a translator
I rightly say you need to use your brain and speak truth if possible.

where are these scriptures saying we are to pray to mary and others who have died,
I have posted scripture supporting my view, do the same, I'm not interested in your wrong doctrine or lies.

proof man.

Hairyrapunzel:
The Biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Jesus and the Father are distinct Persons, even though they share the same Being and essence of nature, unified as the one and only true God (1 John 5:20). Just as Christ’s subjection to Mary and Joseph did not make Him inferior to them (Luke 2:51), so Christ’s subjection to the Father does not make Him inferior. These Scriptures where Jesus surrenders His will to the Father and the Kingdom to the Triune God are not denying the Godhood of Christ, but rather revealing the functional hierarchy within the Persons of the Trinity. As Christ reigns until the end of this age, when everything (including death) is subject to Christ, He will turn over His rulership of the Kingdom to the Triune God where all three Persons will reign eternally together as one God (Matthew 28:18; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Hebrews 2:8; Psalm 110:1-2; Hebrews 1:13; 10:12-13).
http://www.4jehovah.org/quick-answers-to-frequent-objections-to-the-trinity-doctrine/

@blue, I like the simplicity of that truth.

emmanuelex1:
I am still feel you are ignorant of Catholicism, I am sorry not to buy your idea. I will still continuing praying to Jesus but I will stil continue to ask a Mary to pray for me.

@bold blue, Not my idea. You mean, " you are sorry not to believe the Bible"
because that's where my post was from, "the Spirit makes intercession for us"
Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

I gave Bible verse showing so,
now you give scripture showing you should pray to mary.

orunto27:
"The Rosery is "The Staff" of Moses "The Scalf" of Elijah and "The Key" of Power given Simon Peter for all Righteousness".

Is that more rc rubbish belief?
or maybe u from other brain washed mob,
plenty of you around,
most of all "so called" christianity is of the devil.

Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 
Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

emmanuelex1:
We ask Mary to pray for us does not me mean we do not pray to Jesus. We Catholics pray to Jesus very well, we do not ask Jesus to pray for us rather we pray to him and ask Mary to assist us with prayers also.

The saved pray to God, not to man, or woman in the case of rc


Rom 8:26  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

The Holy Spirit helps believers with prayer, believers don't pray to people who have died to help them pray,
unless you can show scripture saying we are to pray to mary and others who have died, to pray for us?

Bible tells us the Spirit helps us in prayer

rc say mary and others who have died help us in prayer.

produce Bible verses to prove your own words.

xaggar:
Please johnw74 and hairyrapunzel, could you explain this verse for us to understand:
1st Corinthians 15 vs 24 - 28.

24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Kindly explain the entire verse with the bolded in mind.

@bold blue, Are u serious? false jw cannot understand truth, or believe it:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




In the end, Jesus has bought the World back to how it was meant to be in the beginning,
destroying all the enemy, then Father takes control again.

Father runs the business, Jesus takes over running the business to fix what became corrupted, Father then again takes over running the business.

Nothing in those verses about the Word Jesus Christ not being the Lord and Saviour(God).
God and the Word is God, look beck at the verses I have posted in this thread showing so.



More on the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ being God:


Following recent topic concerning Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour

Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour is of course God


God is the first and the last:
Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 48:12  Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. 



Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the first and the last:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John added to Jesus statment: "the Almighty"
The previous verse has: "every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him:"
and in this verse: "which is, and which was, and which is to come,"
it's Jesus which is to come:
Joh_14:3  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
^^^ you see that "the first and the last" is also "the Alpha and Omega"

John turned to see who was speaking with him:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,

Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
^^^ the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last is Jesus: "I am he that liveth, and was dead;"

Rev 2:8  And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

 

Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
again showing that "the first and the last" is "the Alpha and Omega"
in verse 6 John said " the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel" 
in verse 16 Jesus said "I Jesus have sent mine angel"

Rev 22:6  And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

^^^
Point of interest:
Not only is the man Jesus Christ the offspring of David in heritage,
but David sprung up from the root-the Word Jesus Christ, Davids creator.

The Word(God) created David, and in the flesh is his offspring.

Continue:

ARMAGEDDON PROPHECIES

Armageddon would end in 1914. (The Time is At Hand, page 101, 1911 Edition).(6) Armageddon would end in 1915. (The Time is At Hand, page 101, 1913 Edition). (7) Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses expect Armageddon any minute!

THE RETURN OF CHRIST PROPHECIES

Since Christ failed to show up for any of the Watchtower dates, Jehovah’s Witnesses altered their teaching to make his coming conveniently “invisible”. Christ returned in 1874. (The Finished Mystery, page 395). 8

The Watchtower publications taught this 1874 date right up to 1929. The “Prophecy” book, published in 1929, states on page 65, “The Scriptural proof is that the second pres­ence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.” (9)

Christ returned in 1914. (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, page 87). (10)

THE MILLENNIUM PROPHECIES

The Millennium began in 1873. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 305). (11) The Millennium began in 1874. (Finished Mystery, page 386). (12)

PROPHECIES ON THE RESURRECTION

The resurrection would occur in 1878. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 234). (13) Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old would return in 1925. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89.) (14)

The Watchtower Society even published a book telling their followers to add a room onto their houses, and get an undertaker to decorate it. Undertakers, of course, would be looking for employment, since there would be no more deaths in 1926. When the room was completed, Watchtower devotees were to call up Jerusalem, where Abraham would have an office, and request that their parents be “awakened” from death. They would soon appear in the new room! (The Way to Paradise, pages 228, 229). (15)

PROPHECIES ON SPACE TRAVEL

“Man cannot by airplane or rockets or other means get above the air envelope which is about our earthly globe….” (The Truth Shall Make You Free, page 285, 1943 edition.) (16)

More here

themountain:
You don't witness to the Jehovah's witnesses. They do the witnessing. They witness to you. They are actually the only ones performing the grand commission

Going by all the false jw's failed prophecies about the timing of the Lord's return etc.,
false jw's are clearly false prophets.
They claim Jesus is one of them, the first witness.
Truly Jesus is not a false prophet, one of them,
and the grand comission false jw's are performing, is for their god satan.

Article:

THE 1914 GENERATION FIASCO

Until October 22nd, 1995, each Awake! magazine proclaimed, “…the Creator’s prom­ise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.” (36)

Beginning with the November 8th, 1995 Awake!, the reference to 1914 disappeared. Why? Because it is another false prophecy! 1914 plus 80 years (the longest time possible for a “generation” by their own admission) ran out in 1994. This prophecy was attributed to Jehovah as “the Creator’s promise”. Therefore this particular false prophecy was done in the name of the Lord, and is subject to His condemnatory judgment on false prophets. There is no escape! Time is the enemy of a false prophet.


THE “ALPHA AND OMEGA” OF REVELATION

Refers to Jehovah God. (Awake!, August 22, 1978, page 28). (32)

Refers to Jesus Christ. (Watchtower, October 1, 1978, page 15).(33)

Notice the rapid change of “truth” and “interpretation of scripture” in just two months!


THE REVELATION NAME “ABADDON-APOLLYON”

Refers to Satan. (The Finished Mystery, page 159). (30)

Refers to Jesus Christ. (Then is Finished the Mystery of God, page 232).(31) Quite a change!


THE “HIGHER POWERS” OF ROMANS 13:1

“Higher Powers” refers to earthly governments. (The Time is at Hand (1915) pg. 81). (27)

“Higher Powers” refers to Jehovah God and Jesus. (The Truth Shall Make You Free, page 312). (28)

“Higher Powers” refers to earthly governments. (Man’s Salvation…at Hand (page 326) (29) Notice how the “brighter light” dimmed back again!

Article here

Peacefullove:
God manifest IN Flesh . so the flesh is still God . does That not indicate Mary is the Mother of God ? emphasis on " Manifest"



Lol, okay . confused guy

duh, no God is not flesh, and truly Jesus flesh was human

no Mary is not the Mother of God, God existed long before Mary
Mary is the mother of the man(flesh) Jesus, not off His Spirit.


ha ha talk about confused, but that's understandable, u r deceiving false jw,
striking out words, changing what is said etc. etc.

2Ti_3:13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

and truly, aren't you so so deceived by satan through your elders

Barristter07:

achorladey:
Na here wetin you know finish abi it's still remaining?

^^^ typical rubbish of false jw posts

lie lie barristter, ac hor ladey,

what rubbish you continually post,
false jw don't carry on like that when you go door to door

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

^^^ Jesus could have been referring specifically to false jw there,
what sect are bigger false prophets than false jw with all there failed date setting etc.


You lie lie and ac, reject God who said throught the Apostles: Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour,
but you believe Yahovah God is your Lord and Saviour,



Yahovah and Jesus is God:

Yahovah
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
*
Yahovah:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
*
Yahovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
*
Yahovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.




Joh_8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.

Joh_14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?



you lie lie and ac, false jw's, reject so much of what God say's through the Bible,
to follow what satan says through his ministers of unrighteousness.


2Co 11:4  For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2Co 11:13  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 
2Co 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

satanic false jw's preach another Jesus, one who is not the Lord and Saviour

false jw's, false prophets, false apostles, false everything.

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

^^^ God is light
Jesus is the light of the world



Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

^^^ the glory of God did lighten it

the Lamb is the light thereof

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 


the Bible in many places shows Father and Son to be God
of course the blinded cannot see it.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

^^^ God created the heaven and the earth
all things were made by Jesus Christ
Father and the Word created all that exist.

false jw by their false beliefs would have to say:
God and a god created all that exist

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

^^^ God-Jesus Christ, our Saviour

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is equal with God:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 

Jesus is equal with God:
Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one. 

Jesus is equal with God:
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?





Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Rev 3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Jesus sit's on the throne of God with His Father
the throne of God of course is for God, only God sits on the throne of God

Jesus and Father is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

YAHOVAH is God:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.





God, is God and the Word, not just God but God and the Word, John 1:1
they cannot be seperated as God, for God is one, Deu_6:4
but they are seperate as persons - God and the Word. God and the Word speak to each other etc.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Deu_6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:



In Exo_6:3 God Almighty - Yahovah, appeared to Abraham, this was not the Father,
but the Word who became our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, for no man on earth has seen the Father:

Joh_1:18  No man hath seen God(Father) at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
It was God Almighty - the Word - Jesus Christ who appeared to Abraham just as Isa_12:2
affirms that God Almighty YAHOVAH my salvation is Jesus Christ:

Isa_12:2  Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Act_4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
^^^ Isa and acts, God, the Lord YAHOVAH, the Lord Jesus Christ is my Salvation, there is salvation in no other.

false jw don't like the word "God" being used in 1Ti 3:16, they change "God" to "he" there,
but it makes no diffrence if you use "He" there, Paul speaking of God said "He" was manifest in the flesh:

KJV 1Ti 3:15  But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 
1Ti 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God of course was manifest, there is no other but God spoken off in those verses. 


GW 1Ti 3:16  The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.

achorladey:
Na here wetin you know finish abi it's still remaining?

u speak mumbo jumbo ac, to avoid the issues at hand,
it's your way ac, of running away from them,
ac hor ladey the great marathon runner(scaredy cat)

Besides Jesus Christ being our(the saved) Lord and Saviour
it is His everlasting kingdom, that we(the saved) look for

false jw are looking for a false kingdom:

johnw74:
2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

@underline, The Kingdom that u think u r looking 4 is actually the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
u will never see it, with all your denying of the Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

achorladey:
Now your talking. Wetin you go sey I know before. Hahahahahahahaa

you agree with me now that you know next to nothing - a very little, ok,

it's bad for u though that u don't agree with God that, "Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour"

2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

@underline, The Kingdom that u think u r looking 4 is actually the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
u will never see it, with all your denying of the Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

emmanuelex1:
Visit google or your dictionary to find out the difference between confession and forgiveness. Point of correction Catholics confess thier sins to God not the Priest. If the Priest will tell you to confess your sins to God. Please I am not in for argument, you either meet a priest close to or knowledgeable catholic to teach you. You can not learn everything online. Stop your campaign cos you cannot win because God is with the Catholic Church. Many have tried and still trying, You are no judge over Catholics let God be. You never fit convert muslim finish na Catholic church you wan convert first.

ok i done that

Question: "What does the Bible say about confession of sin to a priest?"

Answer: The concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture. First, the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant. Instead, the New Testament teaches that all believers are priests. First Peter 2:5-9 describes believers as a “holy priesthood” and a “royal priesthood.” Revelation 1:6 and 5:10 both describe believers as “a kingdom of priests.” In the Old Covenant, the faithful had to approach God through the priests. The priests were mediators between the people and God. The priests offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the people. That is no longer necessary. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we can now approach God’s throne with boldness (Hebrews 4:16). The temple veil tearing in two at Jesus’ death was symbolic of the dividing wall between God and humanity being destroyed. We can approach God directly, ourselves, without the use of a human mediator. Why? Because Jesus Christ is our great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14-15; 10:21) and the only mediator between us and God (1 Timothy 2:5). The New Testament teaches that there are to be elders (1 Timothy 3), deacons (1 Timothy 3), bishops (Titus 1:6-9), and pastors (Ephesians 4:11) – but not priests.

When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God. God is faithful and just to forgive our sins as we confess them to Him. James 5:16 speaks of confessing our trespasses “to one another,” but this is not the same as confessing sins to a priest as the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Priests / church leaders are nowhere mentioned in the context of James 5:16. Further, James 5:16 does not link forgiveness of sins with the confession of sins “to one another.”

The Roman Catholic Church bases their practice of confession to a priest primarily on Catholic tradition. Catholics do point to John 20:23, “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” From this verse, Catholics claim that God gave the apostles the authority to forgive sins and that authority was passed on to the successors of the apostles, i.e., the bishops and priests of the Roman Catholic Church. There are several problems with this interpretation. (1) John 20:23 nowhere mentions confession of sin. (2) John 20:23 nowhere promises or even hints that apostolic authority of any kind would be passed on to the successors of the apostles. (3) The apostles never once in the New Testament acted as if they had the authority to forgive a person’s sin. Similarly, Catholics point to Matthew 16:19 and 18:18 (binding and loosing) as evidence for the Catholic Church’s authority to forgive sins. The same three above points apply equally to these Scriptures.

The ability to forgive sins is God’s and His alone (Isaiah 43:25). The better understanding of John 20:23 is that the apostles were given the responsibility of declaring with utmost certainty the terms on which God would forgive sins. As the church was being founded, the apostles declared that those who believed the gospel were forgiven (Acts 16:31) and those who did not obey the gospel faced judgment (2 Thessalonians 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17). As the apostles proclaimed salvation in Christ (Acts 10:43) and exercised church discipline (1 Corinthians 5:4–5), they were wielding the authority Christ had given them.

Again, the concept of confession of sin to a priest is nowhere taught in Scripture. We are to confess our sins to God (1 John 1:9). As New Covenant believers, we do not need mediators between us and God. We can go to God directly because of Jesus’ sacrifice for us. First Timothy 2:5 says, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/confession-sin-priest.html

emmanuelex1:
Let God be the judge. If you are observant you will know that the rosary itself has the symbol of the cross. Catholics honor Mary not worship, please I will advice you tell any good catholic around you to teach you the wordings or recitations so you can understand very well. Catholics say Glory be to God and honor to Mary, there is a reason why it is not Glory be to Mary and Honor to God. Catholic beg God for forgiveness not Mary. You need somebody to teach you the recitation so you can understand properly. If you have good intention not being blasphemous you will certainly understand. You can not get everything online. God bless us all

do rc's no longer confess their sins to a priest
who then gives them penance to do, perhaps praying 5 hail mary's
and then there sins are forgiven?

Barristter07:
You must be a clown,



With this background, dont forget the reason we are discussing 2 Peter 1:4 is basically because of the word " Divine Nature " which is the center or Key of our discussion regarding the issue of equality as evidenced in the above response of yours.

Now let's examine your explanation and see if it address the key reason stated above.

@blue, lie lie barristter pretends to speak like a Barrister,
but he cannot even spell the word in his username 2 "t"

@red, lie lie barristter started out showing his true color though.

achorladey:
This is the New International version. Isn't it? Yes is the answer or you look the other way. If yes is the answer, there is a footnote [a] in Philippians 2:6. Please can you tell us what is written in that footnote.
If you man up to tell us what is written there, Can you now explain why Jesus is not equal with God? Or why you can reach a reasonable conclusion that JWs were correct to have said that Jesus is not equal with God?

Not everyone has a NIV, but the one I have doesn't have a footnote,
why don't u man up and post the footnote instead of playing the fool

no footnote take away from the inspired scripture, they just give a man's uninspired opinion on his
understanding

Phillipians 2:6 clearly show that the Word Jesus Christ considered Himself equal to Father
however an antichrist would fight this fact over and over again and again

KJV Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

GW Php 2:6  Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

I could post many Bible versions showing the same thing, but u don't believe God's word.


1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 

^^^ Father and Son look to be equal there

the verse before that one shows that he who denies the Son is antichrist,
antichrist false jw's deny so much of God's word concerning Jesus Christ,
phony jw deny that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour, which they cannot say, etc. etc. etc.

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

^^^ HE is antichrist that denies the Father and the Son,
whoever denies the Son, has not the Father, verse 23 above.



another way of saying: "he is antichrist that denies the Father and the Son"
is: "he is antichrist that denies God"

Father and Son is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

achorladey:
That ''next to'' is part of something as well. Abi no be so?

abi be so

it is a very small part of something

I will explain it to you because u r so confused and have very little understanding,
"very little" is part of something too

if you know nothing, then you know nothing

if yo know next to nothing, then you know a very little

of course I was being very generous to you: "you know next to nothing"