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Ubenedictus:
i would have offered a rebuttal but i have already advised you to see a priest. Do well to the us how it went.

u have no answers

Ubenedictus:
The question remains, as the saints in heavy members of the body of Christ Or does death remove people from Christ?

It is a simple question Stop dodging It.

dictus, read your babel again

Babacele:
Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

like i said: u pray to people to pray to God for u, and u say that is praying directly to God

and u think that praying for people is the same as praying to people

would it be the toss of a coin to determine who is the most duh out of u and dictus

Ubenedictus:
are you talking about the same new testament the Catholic Church compiled or another?

i'm talking about the Bible dictus, nt and old which u don't believe because it shows rcc doctrine is false.

u dictus shore do post a lot of garbage

Ubenedictus:
no. rubbish is rubbish to me. Your copy and paste didn't even try to tell you who compiled the new testament canon yet it went on and on about the Catholic Church.

That certainly is a load of rubbish, when you have a copy and paste source that tells you how the new testament was compiled let me know.

ha ha, u keep saying rcc compiled the new testament, and yet u don't believe the nt, or the ot, because they show rcc doctrines to be false

many false rcc doctrines of course differ to the Bible, and u don't care about that
u believe your satanic doctrines over God's Inspired word
u believe the writings of evil men who have made up doctrines that differ to the Bible
the Bible is rubbish to u, but of course the real garbage is the rcc anti Bibical doctrines.

Ubenedictus:
do you even know the meaning of blasphemy Or do you just enjoy saying seemingly big worship.

read that again oh confused dictus, your babel(confusion of speech) comes from hating the truth

Ubenedictus:
so if a toyota car is very faulty the right thing to do is read about it from innoson abi?

That again is silly logic.


When you wish to critique something you hold it to yourself to atleast read the material you are critiquing, you cant critique carl max if you have not read his work.

You cant objectively critique the Catholic Church by reading matt slick. Start from the beginning if you are truly unbiased and objective. Read up from the Church what she teaches then you can Start critiquing.

i already said i'm not wasting time reading false rc doctrines,
i ask specific questions and ask u for Bible verses to prove your points,
which u cannot give, all you give is rc unbibical lies

confused rc's here even think that praying for people is the same as praying to people, and they give Bible verses for praying for people, thinking it shows u r to pray to people u r not the brightest bulb in the building

Ubenedictus:
You cant even admit when you are wrong, it shows you arent even sincere.


Carm lied that the pope says Mary sins at the right hand of the majesty on high whereas the pope clearly says Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high while Mary sits at Jesus right hand.


Is that the same thing Or you guys just enjoy lying about the catholic Church.

what lying accusers rc's are dictus, but it's understandable when one consideres who your god is
Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high, and mary sits on the right hand of Jesus,
that being the case then they both sit on the right hand of the majesty on high, but i know u have been blinded:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

and apart from all your twisting-lying, show from the Bible that mary sits on the right hand of Jesus on the throne of God, come back with that now, u hear

Ubenedictus:
why not read what the catholic Church teach from the catholic Church? Is it with to read about toyota cars from innoson?

because the rcc has many unbibical lies in it's teachings

Ubenedictus:
You wont read the correct document but you are happy to quote him out of context.

That is bias, sorry.

nothing is out of context, carm org quote:

According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

14. We are then, it will be seen, very far from attributing to the Mother of God a productive power of grace - a power which belongs to God alone. Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).

roman catholicism has both Jesus and mary sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high
and Hebrews was quoted as reference

hebrews has only Jesus sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high, and not mary





@underline, ha ha more unbibical rubbish

Ubenedictus:
i hope you know this is rubbish.

i know the truth is rubbish to u

blackbriar:
Lord, have mercy on us.
CHRIST, have mercy on us.
LORD, have mercy on us.
CHRIST, hear us.
CHRIST, graciously hear us.
GOD, THE FATHER OF HEAVEN, have mercy on us.
GOD THE SON, REDEEMER OF THE WORLD, have mercy on us.
GOD THE HOLY GHOST, have mercy on us.
HOLY TRINITY, ONE GOD, have mercy on us.
HOLY MARY, pray for us.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, pray for us.
HOLY VIRGIN OF VIRGINS, pray for us.
ST. MICHAEL, pray for us.
ST. GABRIEL, pray for us.
ST. RAPHAEL, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY ANGELS AND ARCHANGELS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY ORDERS OF BLESSED SPIRITS, pray for us.
ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST, pray for us. ST. JOSEPH, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, pray for us.
ST. PETER, pray for us.
ST. PAUL, pray for us.
ST. ANDREW, pray for us.
ST. JAMES, pray for us.
ST. JOHN, pray for us.
ST. THOMAS, pray for us.
ST. JAMES, pray for us.
ST. PHILIP, pray for us.
ST. BARTHOLOMEW, pray for us.
ST. MATTHEW, pray for us.
ST. SIMON, pray for us.
ST. THADDEUS, pray for us.
ST. BARNABAS, pray for us.
ST. LUKE, pray for us.
ST. MARK, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY APOSTLES AND EVANGELIST, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY DISCIPLES OF OUR LORD, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY INNOCENTS, pray for us.
ST. STEPHEN, pray for us.
ST. LAWRENCE, pray for us.
ST. VINCENT, pray for us.
SS. FABIAN AND SEBASTIAN, pray for us.
SS. JOHN AND PAUL, pray for us.
SS. COSMOS AND DAMIAN, pray for us.
SS. GERVASE AND PROTASE, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY MARTYRS, pray for us.
ST. SYLVESTER, pray for us.
ST. GREGORY, pray for us.
ST. AMBROSE, pray for us.
ST. AUGUSTINE, pray for us.
ST. JEROME, pray for us.
ST. MARTIN, pray for us.
ST. NICHOLAS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY BISHOPS AND CONFESSORS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY DOCTORS, pray for us.
ST. ANTHONY, pray for us.
ST. BENEDICT, pray for us.
ST. BERNARD, pray for us.
ST. DOMINIC, pray for us.
ST. FRANCIS, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY PRIEST AND LEVITES, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY MONKS AND HERMITS, pray for us.
ST. MARY MAGDALEN, pray for us.
ST. AGATHA, pray for us.
ST. LUCY, pray for us.
ST. AGNES, pray for us.
ST. CECILIA, pray for us.
ST. CATHERINE, pray for us.
ST. ANASTASIA, pray for us.
ALL YE HOLY VIRGINS AND WIDOWS, pray for us.
ALL YE MEN AND WOMEN, SAINTS OF GOD, make intercession for us.
BE MERCIFUL, spare us, O Lord!
BE MERCIFUL, graciously hear us, O Lord!
FROM ALL EVIL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM ALL SIN, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THY WRATH, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM A SUDDEN AND UNPROVIDED DEATH, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE DECEITS OF THE DEVIL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM ANGER, HATRED, AND ALL ILL WILL, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE SPIRIT OF FORNICATION, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM LIGHTNING AND TEMPEST, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM THE SCOURGE OF EARTHQUAKE, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM PESTILENCE, FAMINE, AND WAR, O Lord, deliver us.
FROM EVERLASTING DEATH, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THE MYSTERY OF THY HOLY INCARNATION, O Lord, Deliver us.
THROUGH THY COMING, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY NATIVITY, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY BAPTISM AND HOLY FASTING, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY CROSS AND PASSION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY DEATH AND BURIAL, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THY HOLY RESURRECTION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THINE ADMIRABLE ASCENSION, O Lord, deliver us.
THROUGH THE COMING OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE PARACLETE, O Lord, deliver us.
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, We Sinners beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST SPARE US, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST PARDON US, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO BRING US TO TRUE PENANCE, We Beseech Thee hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GOVERN AND PRESERVE THY HOLY CHURCH.... We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO PRESERVE OUR APOSTOLIC PRELATE AND ALL ECCLESIASTICAL ORDERS IN HOLY RELIGION. We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO HUMBLE THE ENEMIES OF THY HOLY CHURCH, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCH SAFE TO GIVE PEACE AND TRUE CONCORD TO CHRISTIAN KINGS AND PRINCES, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GRANT PEACE AND UNITY TO ALL CHRISTIAN PEOPLE, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO BRING BACK TO THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE STRAYED AWAY, AND LEAD TO THE LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL ALL UNBELIEVERS, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO CONFIRM AND PRESERVE US THY HOLY SERVICE, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST LIFT UP OUR MINDS TO HEAVENLY DESIRES, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST RENDER ETERNAL BLESSINGS TO ALL OUR BENEFACTORS, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST DELIVER OUR SOULS AND THOSE OF OUR BRETHREN, RELATIVE, AND BENEFACTORS FROM ETERNAL DAMNATION, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GIVE AND PRESERVE THE FRUITS OF THE EARTH, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE TO GIVE ETERNAL REST TO ALL THE FAITHFUL DEPARTED, We beseech Thee, hear us.
THAT THOU WOULDST VOUCHSAFE GRACIOUSLY TO HEAR US, We beseech Thee, hear us.

SON OF GOD, We beseech Thee, hear us.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Spare us, O Lord.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Graciously hear us, O Lord.
LAMB OF GOD, WHO TAKEST AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD, Have mercy on us.
CHRIST, HEAR US.......
CHRIST, GRACIOUSLY HEAR US.......
LORD, HAVE MERCY ON US.......
CHRIST, HAVE MERCY ON US.......
LORD, HAVE MERCY ON US.......

Our Father, etc, (In Secret.)
V- And Lead Us Not Into Temptation.
R- But Deliver Us From Evil.

Psalm LXIX

Incline unto my aid, O God.
O Lord, make haste to help me.
Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek my soul.
Let them be turned backward and blush for shame that desire evils to me.
Let them be presently turned away blushing for shame that say to me, "Tis well, 'tis well."
Let all that seek Thee rejoice and be glad in Thee; and let such as love Thy salvation say always, The Lord be magnified. But I am needy and poor: O God, help me.
Thou art my helper and my deliverer; O Lord, make no delay.

Glory Be To The Father, etc.

@bold, that is blasphemy praying to all of those people who have died and angels, and then saying saying "Glory Be To The Father"
oh blinded one

it reminds me of the rosary where ten hail mary's are prayed and then one our Father

Babacele:
We believe in one God Almighty and pray to Him alone directly ,through our clergy and congregation or through the holy people in heaven .

u pray to others in Heaven to pray to God for u, and u call that praying to God directly

Babacele:
in your futile efforts at destroying Christianity's 2000years + history , seemed you forgot you uttered these words below not long ago?



y brocab: 10:59am
Jesus said pray for one another.
{James 5:15-16} And the prayer
offered in faith will restore the
sick. The Lord will raise him up, if
he had sinned, he will be forgiven.
Therefore confess your sins to
each other, and pray for each
other, so that you may be healed,
the prayer of a righteous man has
great power to prevail..

duh, praying "for people", is diffrent to praying "to people", oh blind one

blackbriar:
pls wats funny?

Ha Ha Ha

blackbriar:
funny...i dont see the term RCC in any of those quotes.
#and rcc is derogatory term used by protestants on the church

the verses are clearly talking off rcc,
u have been blinded

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

blackbriar:
you are mis-quoting urself.......first u said original sin was not passed to jesus then u say i dont believe,then u call me a liar...pls read ur post again...and be more clear with ur post

my post is clear but u r confused
u read it again

Babacele:
God talks to all manner of persons irrespective of creeds ,tongue and place in everyday and everyway : through holy writings, prophets,or directly. He is a universal love that cannot be appropriated by any group whose existence is so recent and has benefited from the synthetic evolution of different cultures and efforts in man's movement towards God. Right now, God is deliberately sending babies to be born in different homes with different tongues,color and creed.

The Bible contains the only Holy writings, which u rc's reject over false rcc doctrines

Babacele:
but your pastors ,mortals, can intercede or pray for you, but ever living holy persons in heavens can't pray for us poor sinners ? What hypocrisy!

u r the hypocrite oh blind one,
the discussion is not about praying for others,
it's about praying to mary and other people who have died
Christians pray to God only,
u rc's pray to just about anyone, of course they don't hear u,
and when u pray to God, He doesn't hear u either, He is not in u sinners,
u who reject His Inspired word and believe false man made doctrine

Job 27:8  For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul? 
Job 27:9  Will God hear his cry when trouble cometh upon him?

emmanuelex1:
Trust you guys lack manners, you just go online and insult people over what you do not even understand. I wonder how you intend to win souls for God with the way you insult people. Well I pray God help you know exactly what you are doing. Please do not mention me save it.

i don't talk to Bible haters to save their souls,
for one thing i show them where they are going:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

emmanuelex1:
Please save some money and visit the Vatican to correct what you called lies. Stop mentioning me again, I chose to stop disusing with you guys
because of your insults. I gave gave you the explanation you wanted then, now you bring up another. Please save some money and visit the Vatican to correct what you called lies. I am busy.

i have plenty of money, but u love to lie

i didn't mentioned u,
ru babacelle as well as emman, that's who my post was too

emmanuelex1:
You only quoted a Pope who thinks he knows to much like you.

i thought blackbriar was one of you

phililp:
All i see is bunch of Phat ass sinners tryna acuse other sinners of sinning...

bulllshit!!

everyone go home try to make ur ways right and server the God you Know in the way You know... Fvcking quite trying to say them others are sinning by doing this-or-that...

stop trying to Put right what u dont know if its wrong or right..

am no atheist. no budist no islamist. no religion......

i just know a God who created me exits and i serve him with the best i can.
enof said..



now i dunot tolerate stupid mentions.... if u wudnt mind looka ma signature

i don't like your god, he hasn't even taught u not to swear,
your god and rcc god is the same, he is called satan and devil and serpent,
he is the god behind all false religion-beliefs

blackbriar:
if original is passed on to all(I AGREE),JESUS CHRIST had original sin which makes him a sinner,which negates YOUR scripture quote.

original sin wasn't passed on to Jesus which the Bible verses I posted and which u don't believe, show
u choose mans lying words over God's word, however u will have your reward:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

haba baba, here is some more lies from rcc


What are the four Marian Dogmas?



The four Marian dogmas1 are the Mother of God, Mary's perpetual virginity, her Immaculate Conception, and her Assumption into heaven. Here they are documented from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, CCC.

Mother of God, Theotokos, established in 431,
"Called in the Gospels “the mother of Jesus,” Mary is acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit and even before the birth of her son, as “the mother of my Lord.” In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father’s eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly “Mother of God” (Theotokos)," (CCC 495).
"Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself," (CCC 509).
"Mary, the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son and the Spirit in the fullness of time. For the first time in the plan of salvation and because his Spirit had prepared her, the Father found the dwelling place where his Son and his Spirit could dwell among men. In this sense the Church's Tradition has often read the most beautiful texts on wisdom in relation to Mary. Mary is acclaimed and represented in the liturgy as the "Seat of Wisdom." In her, the "wonders of God" that the Spirit was to fulfill in Christ and the Church began to be manifested," (CCC 721).
Perpetual Virginity, that Mary remained a virgin her whole life.
"The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary’s real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man. In fact, Christ’s birth “did not diminish his mother’s virginal integrity but sanctified it.” And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the “Ever-virgin," (CCC 499)
"Mary “remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin” (St. Augustine, Serm. 186, 1: PL 38, 999): with her whole being she is “the handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38)," (CCC 510).
Immaculate Conception, Mary herself was conceived sinless, and thus redeemed at her conception. established in 1854.
"Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin," (CCC 491).
"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death," (CCC 966).
"The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life. "Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" . "Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints," (CCC 2177).
Assumption, Mary was taken bodily into heaven, established in 1950
"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death," (CCC 966).
"The Sunday celebration of the Lord’s Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church’s life. “Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church.” (1167; 2043) “Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints," (CCC 2177).

Though each of these four dogmas have been declared true by the Roman Catholic Church, except for the "mother of God," none of these can be found in Scripture. Now, please understand that when I mention the "Mother of God" I am agreeing that Mary is the mother of Jesus who has two natures, divine and human. But I disagree with the unwarranted exultation of Mary associated with that title. For more information on this problem please see the articles Is Mary the mother of God, theotokos? and There is a logical fallacy in the argument that Mary is the mother of God.

Nevertheless, Roman Catholicism asserts that each of these doctrines are found in Scripture.

"It is the conviction of Roman Catholics that the Marian dogmas formulate a faith consonant with Scripture."2

The truth is, they are not found in Scripture. The perpetual virginity of Mary, which says that she always remained a virgin, cannot be demonstrated from the Bible. For this issue please see the article Did Mary Have Other Children? The doctrine that she was conceived without original sin is also not found in Scripture. To deal with this issue please see the article If Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin? Finally, regarding the Assumption of Mary, that she was taken bodily into heaven, please see The Bodily Assumption of Mary. The truth is that the Roman Catholic Church has violated Scripture.

"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other," (1 Corinthians 4:6).

by Matt Slick
9/28/14
What are the four Marian Dogmas?

phililp:
All i see is bunch of Phat ass sinners tryna acuse other sinners of sinning...

bulllshit!!

everyone go home try to make ur ways right and server the God you Know in the way You know... Fvcking quite trying to say them others are sinning by doing this-or-that...

stop trying to Put right what u dont know if its wrong or right..

am no atheist. no budist no islamist. no religion......

i just know a God who created me exits and i serve him with the best i can.
enof said..



now i dunot tolerate stupid mentions.... if u wudnt mind looka ma signature

i ain't a killer but don't push me

ha ha, do u think that puts fear into people, have a look at mine

God is Good ... <*)))>< ... What a Friend we have in Jesus

baba believes God-the Word Jesus Christ, had sin in Him, and he contradicts God's word-the Bible
for his man made church doctrines.

Babacele:
We Catholics know that holy people in heaven pray to God most merciful.
For example , Rev 5:8 we are told that
"elders [the leaders of
the people of God in heaven] fell
down before the Lamb, each
holding a harp, and with golden
bowls full of incense, which are
the prayers of the saints" . Apart from saints in heaven,angels too
offer prayers to God as shown in
Rev 8: 3-4: "[An]
angel came and stood at the altar
with a golden censer;
and he was given much incense to
mingle with the prayers of all the
saints upon the golden altar
before the throne; and the smoke
of the incense rose with the
prayers of the saints from the
hand of the angel before
God"
Since holy persons are ever alive and righteous, we believe that we can direct our prayers to God through them when we say " pray for us" .

Since Mary is the mother of God highly favored who was filled with the holy spirit, gave birth God in man and was present at the day of pentecost , and consequently in heaven it is right that we beg her to pray for us sinners.

u have been blinded, those in Heaven talk with God, is not the same as those on earth praying to those in heaven, Christians pray to God, to the Holy Spirit inside them, heretics pray to anyone.

blackbriar:
The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

Holy Catholic Church, ha ha, that's made up by rcc

here is God's word concerning the catholic church:

Some Will Depart from the Faith
1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

blackbriar:
if original is passed on to all(I AGREE),JESUS CHRIST had original sin which makes him a sinner,which negates YOUR scripture quote.

u don't believe God's word, but what the devil has taught his church, i know that:

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

blackbriar:
now this was the grace in which mary was filled with when the angel gabriel said,hail highly favoured one.

duh, Mary received grace, so does every Christian, that doesn't mean they haven't inherited original sin, duh

blackbriar:
Catholic's believes in God's inspired word through his words and prophets and in the church teachings.

rc cannot stop lying, rc continually reject God's word, as per the two verses above

blackbriar:
JESUS was born of a woman(flesh and blood),so it meant he had to have original sin.how did he overcome that part?

u say u believe God's word, and then u show that u don't, u rc's here cannot stop lying
u r a much confused blinded one
You don't believe God's inspired word and u as good as call God a liar, by not believing Him
and by believing what evil men say
God's word said Jesus had no sin, u rc say He did

no one is more dishonest and blinded than some rc's here, u say u believe God's word while at the same time u reject it

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
well u did get the encyclical from the right source as it was edited to show mary sits at the right hand of God. a simple google or visit to the vatican website shows the write phrase.

matt 22:44,PSALM 110:1

u r full of lies, the whole paragraph was not needed, and those verses are about Jesus, not Mary sitting at the right hand of Father

still waiting for u to post verses showing that Mary sits at the right hand of Father or son,
do it now u hear

Mat 22:44  The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 

Psa 110:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

They are about Jesus sitting at the right hand of Father, they are not about Mary

blackbriar:
What is a wrong attribute about mary in that write up?

ISN'T SHE FULL OF GRACE luke 1:46-55?
ISN'T SHE THE MOTHER OF GOD THE SON,WHO IS GOD?
ISN'T SHE THE NEW EVE PROMISED AT THE FALL OF MAN luke 2:35?
MARY GRACE WAS FROM ORIGINAL SIN NOT ACTUAL SIN.

nothing there saying Mary is free from original sin,
or more importantly there is nothing in the Bible that supports your heresy,
or that Mary is to be prayed to,
or that Mary is divinity etc. etc. etc.

all u can post is the words of evil men who hate God's Inspired word-the Bible,
u have been blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
SIN is divided into two Original sin(sin of adam that condems all men born of a woman as sinners) and actual sin.
HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE(THE GRACE FORM ORIGINAL SIN)......if mary had original sin that makes JESUS a sinner.

ha ha original sin is passed on to all, not just men,
read my post where I gave scriptures, not that u believe them


Christians believe God's inspired word, however u continue to believe the devil through the rcc
all have sinned, not Jesus

truly Jesus is not a sinner:

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

In Him is no sin

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was without sin, Mary wasn't according to the God Inspired Bible
go back and read the verses I posted