₦airaland Forum

achorladey:
You don't know what am saying, how will you know when you are only concerned and your vigorous energy are concentrated on how the JWs will burn in lake of fire that means second death. Until you get the sense of it, don't comeback and tell me the Trinity consist of three persons.

@bold, but it's true ac hor ladey, the LOF is the second death for death and hell,
which means they will no longer exist:

Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

But is it the second death for the fallen angels, is it the second death for humanity that denied the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

satan is thrown into the LOF, not to die but for eternal torment:

Rev 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

^^^ that verse refers to false jw among others of course.


you still changing the subject,
running away from the issue that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour.

achorladey:
You said on this same thread Jesus is the one God, Right or wrong?
Let see how correct whatever you chose fits this:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Jehovah , thought it not robbery to be equal with Jehovah:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Jesus, thought it not robbery to be equal with Jesus:
Is Jesus trying to steal from himself? Or if it were to be Jehovah, Is Jehovah trying to steal from himself? Is this statement of apostle Paul valid any longer if it were to be in this new format.

Php 2:6 is about Jesus being in the form of God, being equal to God

you ac in your confusion make up a verse about
Jesus being in the form of Jesus and being equal to Jesus
such confusion

achorladey:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Jesus, thought it not robbery to be equal with Jesus:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

the Churches of the Saints have peace, the church of false jw has confusion

you still changing the subject at every oportunity,
and running away from the subject that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour
you ac cannot say it

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

achorladey:
What is the mind of christ?
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Who was in God's form and in a way robbed God? Who did Jesus fail to imitate in this aspect? From the following statement who did you think you are Johnw74 when you equate God(Jehovah) with Jesus christ(the firstborn of Jehovah’s creation)
Yes oooo and of course, na person wey born you, you go resemble abi no be so? but not equal with that person meaning he was indeed in God's form but not equal to Jehovah.

That's really laughable, like cap, you don't understand scriptures and their meanings
duh, the word was in God's form as in John 1:1, was with and was God

ha ha, confused ac, the verse doesn't say Jesus robbed God, but that Jesus didn't think it robbery to be equal to God,
in other words Jesus considered Himself equal to God, wow you so duh, no understanding whatsoever.
I would explain more to you but you couldn't possibly understand and you wouldn't believe if you could
you are hooked in the false jw sect.

achorladey:
You don't know what am saying, how will you know when you are only concerned and your vigorous energy are concentrated on how the JWs will burn in lake of fire that means second death. Until you get the sense of it, don't comeback and tell me the Trinity consist of three persons.

Ha ha that's your weak reply to this:

johnw74:
^^^
Same repeated confusion from one of your previous posts to someone else,
copied and pasted here.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Yes before God there was no God formed:

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

God is one, what are you trying to say ac hor ladey?


and yes again Jehovah is Saviour:

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

also this one

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Besides YAHOVAH there is no Saviour, Isa 43:11

There is Salvation in none other than Jesus, Act 4:12

These two verses alone show that YAHOVAH is God,
that Jesus is God

Not two God's though ac as you believe in, a mighty god jesus, and a almighty god jehovah,
there is but one God, which you don't and cannot possibly understand, listening to fallen angels through your elders.

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


No good reposting old mumbo jumbo ac, get into a Bible and believe, and know,
of course you have to believe, and not change God's word, very dangerous.

you have no answers at all, Just your denial of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
and your running away from the issue.

CAPTIVATOR:
Read something you can understand and stop wasting your time.

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6

Christ did not think of Such thing as equality with God. thats the message of this verse

ha ha, cap, you don't understand your own posted verse, oh false accusing one

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[a] being born in the likeness of men.

though Jesus was in the form of God, He did not, yes that's right, did not, count equality with God a thing to be grasped - held onto, but emptied Himself and became a man

KJV Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

and here's another for you to disbelieve cap, there are many verses that are clear,
in fact they all are, but not to you :

GOD'S WORD Php 2:6  Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. 
Php 2:7  Instead, he emptied himself by taking on the form of a servant, by becoming like other humans, by having a human appearance.


You also disbelieved this verse which backed up the KJV verse I posted about Jesus being equal to God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


You such a denier of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, you must be a false jw

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

CAPTIVATOR:
You are the ignorant one here, King James translate the Hebrew word " Sheol" as Grave/Hell

So they are right.

The grave is only one meaning, one place, of hell:

hell
G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 11


hell
H7585
שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she'ôl    she'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
Total KJV occurrences: 65


hell
G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12


ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.




Then there is the Lake of Fire:

Rev_19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev_20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev_20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

verse 14 means death and hell(the grave) will no longer exist,
and all persons since creation who were not found written in the book of life are thrown into the Lake Of Fire,
their first death was the grave, their second death is the Lake Of Fire, and now is the beginning of eternity.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus calling his Father " MY GOD " proved the Father is superior ! Rev 3:12

When being the Word of God, Jesus is equal to Father:

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

achorladey:
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the father) , and my servant whom I(God the father) have chosen: that you may know and believe me(God the father) , and understand that I am He(God the father) : before me(God the father) there was no God formed(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit , neither shall there be after Me(God the father). I, even I, am the LORD(God the father); and beside Me(God the father) there is no saviour(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the son) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me(God the Son), and understand that I am He(God the Son): before me(God the Son) there was no God(God the father and the Holy Spirit) formed, neither shall there be after Me(God the Son) . I, even I, am the LORD(God the son); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the Holy Spirit) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me(God the Holy Spirit), and understand that I am He(God the Holy Spirit): before me there was no God formed(God the father and God the Son) , neither shall there be after Me(God the Holy Spirit). I, even I, am the LORD(God the Holy Spirit); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the son)," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
Which way?
NOTE: You believe the Trinity consist of three persons. Don't come back and tell me something else. If your English is developing fault and you can no longer comprehend what you believe it's something of worry to you. consult your professor immediately. Those ones don't deal with drop outs.

^^^
Same repeated confusion from one of your previous posts to someone else,
copied and pasted here.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Yes before God there was no God formed:

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

God is one, what are you trying to say ac hor ladey?


and yes again Jehovah is Saviour:

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

also this one

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Besides YAHOVAH there is no Saviour, Isa 43:11

There is Salvation in none other than Jesus, Act 4:12

These two verses alone show that YAHOVAH is God,
that Jesus is God

Not two God's though ac as you believe in, a mighty god jesus, and a almighty god jehovah,
there is but one God, which you don't and cannot possibly understand, listening to fallen angels through your elders.

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


No good reposting old mumbo jumbo ac, get into a Bible and believe, and know,
of course you have to believe, and not change God's word, very dangerous.

achorladey:
Three persons but not (God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit) I hope there is nothing like Godhead as well. Hmmmmmmmm I don hear you abi wetin remain. Bye bye. Am done!!!

Duh ac hor ladey, you cannot understand or honestly explain the simple things,

need Holy Spirit, not fallen angels through elders.

Lies will never know truth.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

mighty God and Almighty God is titles for the one true God

YAHOVAH is called almighty God:

Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD(YAHOVAH) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

by the way ac hor ladey, almighty God and God almighty are the same one God,
it is not yet another of your god's, ha ha


YAHOVAH is called "the mighty God" so is Jesus(Isa 9:6):

Psa_50:1  A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD(YAHOVAH), hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Psa_132:2  How he sware unto the LORD(YAHOVAH), and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Psa_132:5  Until I find out a place for the LORD(YAHOVAH), an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.
Isa_9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given(Jesus Christ): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

achorladey:
Jesus is the one true God your statement above yet there is God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Your problem not mine. Ask Johnw74 if you are not clear on that. You don comot ''almost'' to ''all'' concerning what the JWs believe. Smh. Those reading have eyes, it's not in typing and ranting, it is in reading to discern. I am very sure most of them do read to discern. Don't type words for me and make statements on my behalf or on behalf of the JWs, it's a sign of weakness on your part. You are not my spokesman speak for yourself. When you draw conclusions draw it out on your own don't put my name because when you mislead someone after drawing out a wrong conclusion from my statement or a bible verse I cited then you have to be the one to give explanation when questions are raised. Professor I hope you are clear on that. Professor should know that you can only make recommendations you don't force it. You should know better. I shouldn't be giving you lectures on these prof.

Hairyrapunzel is correct, he is speaking about God, about Jesus being the one true God,
and yes he believes that the Father is that one true God, and he believes
that the Holy Spirit is that one true God,
he believes there are three persons in the one God, not that there are three god's.

But you know that, you just love to twist things around - lie.

Deu_6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


By the way, you ac believe in two god's,
an almighty god, and a mighty god,
not knowing that mighty God and almighty God are titles for the one true God.

achorladey:
If I post it now, you will tell me it was cited from creative and cultural art textbook. As if I care any longer.

How weak, afraid to post your scriptures showing that Jesus Christ is not Lord and Saviour.

They don't exist, just further lying from ac hor ladey.

achorladey:
Three persons but not (God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit) I hope there is nothing like Godhead as well. Hmmmmmmmm I don hear you abi wetin remain. Bye bye. Am done!!!

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit
shows three persons who are the one God


God is one:
Deu_6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

You know that ac hor ladey, and you know the trinity position of three persons in one God,
but like I said, you cannot help but lie.


Jesus calls Father God:
Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Father calls Jesus God:
Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Peter shows that the Holy Ghost is God:
(Act 5:3)  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
(Act 5:4)  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

ifenes:
666 is a reference to the Roman Emperor Nero

The Roman Emperor Nero lived a couple of thousand years ago,
can he be thrown into the Lake of fire at Jesus second coming?

(Rev 19:19)  And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

(Rev 19:20)  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Certain Ancient Alphabets were also used as Numerals, therefore words could have numerical value this was called GEMETRIA.

The Latin Numerals were as follows:
. REVELATION 13:18.

18. Here is Wisdom.
Let him that hath Understanding count
the Number of the Beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is
Six hundred threescore and six.

All the Roman Numerals of the time added up to 666.

ƆCIC = 1,000 (The first "C" was written backwards.)
D = 500
C = 100
L = 50
X = 10
V = 5
I = I

D + C + L + X + V + I = 500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1 = 666.

Therefore "THE BEAST" would cone from ROME.

The beast might come from Rome for all I know,
but 666 is the number of the beast's name,
not the number of the name of a city.

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 
Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Verse 18 tells us that the number of the beast is the number of a man,
so this beast is a man, not mankind or a particular goverment etc., but a man.
To count the number of the beast is to add up the numbers of the lettere in his name,
for instance: a=1, b=2, c=3, and so on, however that is one system of adding, there could be many
for instance: a=6, b=12, c=18 etc.

There is a choice whether to have a mark on your forehead or hand,
or to have his name on your forehead or hand,
or to have the number of his name on your forehead or hand

Example: if it had being adolf hitler, you could have had,
the mark of the beast(the swastika) tattoed on your forehead or hand,
or you could have had adolf hitler tattoed on your forehead or hand,
or you could have had the number of his name(666) tattoed on your forehead or hand,

I don't know if hitlers name adds up to six hundred and sixty six,
that's just an example.



another example:

Number of the name of the Beast=six hundred and sixty six, 666

With this system of adding the number of a name, each letter rises by the value of 6: a=6, b=12, c=18, etc.

A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24, E=30, F=36, G=42, H=48, I=54, J=60, K=66,
L=72, M=78, N=84, O=90, P=96, Q=102, R=108, S=114, T=120, U=126, V=132,
W=138, X=144, Y=150, Z=156

Recep Erdogan:

Add

R=108
e= 30
c= 18
e= 30
p= 96

E= 30
r=108
d= 24
o= 90
g= 42
a= 6
n= 84

=666

achorladey:
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the father) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the father); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the son) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God(God the father and the Holy Spirit) formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the son); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the Holy Spirit) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the father and God the Son) , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the Holy Spirit); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the son)," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
Which way?
NOTE: You believe the Trinity consist of three persons. Don't come back and tell me something else.

Three persons yes, not three God's, you know that, but you cannot help but lie,

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

ac hor ladey, Christians have posted in this thread Bible verses saying and showing
that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour

You ac, allude to having posted scriptures showing that the "Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour"
verses are not true

I have looked back through your posts, and of course you are confused, no scriptures you posted show that Jesus is not Lord and Saviour
If you posted such scriptures, then you wouldn't be afraid to post them again
we Christians are happy to post Holy Bible verses again and again.

You don't have anything, just a big fraud you is.

achorladey:
How this your latest post take join the topic of this thread. Waka comot jejely if you have nothing to say. You have chosen to follow Jesus, make I celebrate by frying pawpaw for you? O ke mo ti gbo pe o gba Jesu.

The mocking of a Jesus follower from ac hor ladey,
the mocking of the Saviour of the world, the Lord Jesus Christ,
the mocking of God(Father) who gave Jesus His followers,
and the mocking of God's word which says Jesus is Lord and Saviour

Joh_17:9  I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Jud_1:18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

still the same today, ay ac

achorladey:
It still won't remove a pint out of those verses have cited. Lake of fire expertise.

more mumbo jumbo(confusion) from one who is afraid to say anything or quote what he is talking about
I don't blame you though you have nothing is why you speak gibberish.

You ac hor ladey deny and reject Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour
but we Christians believe and know through God's word that Jesus Christ is our lord and Saviour.

We are saved through faith in God:
Eph_2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are saved through faith in Christ Jesus:
2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus.


We are saved by God's grace:
Eph_2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ:
Act_15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

You ac hor ladey reject the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour, and so your end is the Lake Of Fire, SIMPLE

Rev 21:27  And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Pe_2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe_3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe_3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

These are just some of God's word that you ac hor ladey don't believe.

achorladey:
Duh duh duh duh duh, I have been quoting verses from civic education text book. That is why you cannot pick a verse from all of those have cited that determines the fact that Jesus christ is a Saviour or not. I know why your eyes have chosen not to spot it. Your zeal for the lake of fire and the antichrist is eating you up. That is why you look for every means to have people thrown there. If I am to tell you the meaning of Lake of fire. You comeback and tell my bible verses are from integrated science. Duh for you once again. If you like admit or ignore that your personal Lord and Saviour has a savior of his own. I careless now, the verses are there for you to read. Call them physics textbook verses it won't remove a pint out of the verses cited already.

duh, of confused ac hor ladey, I have posted many Bible verses showing without a doubt that Jesus christ is Lord and Saviour, as have others.

Sinless Jesus does not have a saviour, duh false jw

I have shown with scripture how your end is the Lake Of Fire

all you can do now is copy cat, that is repeat in lies what was said to you in truth

your confusion is even getting worse, never thought that possible

but that's what comes from denying the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
and not believing God's inspired word, the Bible.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

achorladey:
Well well well, what else can I type after reading all the rants all over from all those concerned. I will have to stop here. As for those asking me to ''respond with the Bible'', It seems I had been responding with a physics or chemistry textbook, when you get to each of the scriptural verses have cited, double check if they are verses from biology text book.
Those saying ''almost all what the JWs believe are not biblical'', you are not even sure, yet you are making conclusive remarks on what they believe. Hairyrapunzel et.al keep at it.
Johnw74 at least you admit that Jesus prayed. (John 22:42, John 17) John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. I told you right from the start your personal Lord and Saviour has a personal Lord and Saviour of his own that gave him power to save as many as possible. Why is that very difficult for you guys to acknowledge. SMH.
Note: Dont be too certain on those scriptures have just cited oooo, pls double check may be they are truly not from Economics textbook.
Finally, James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Once again OLADEEBGU, Hairyrapunzel, Johnw74 from the last scriptures I have just quoted from Computer science textbook are you guys a Saviour as well? Will it be a wise thing to acknowledge the individual that gave you power to become a Saviour.

Well well well ac horladey, all of that your confusion is because you cannot reply with truth

@bold, Of course Jesus talked to His Father, duh, how does Jesus talking to His Father mean that Jesus Christ is not Lord and Saviour, as God's inspired word says He is?

@underline, duh again, all men have sinned and need a Saviour, that Saviour is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus doesn't need to be saved from sin as He never sinned, not even original sin

1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

"He" the Lord Jesus was manifested to take away our sins,

It is the same "He" as in verse two, where "He" - Jesus, is called God in that verse.

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

all this your confusion ac horladey is from not believing God's inspired word and denying the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.




2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus.

You don't believe that verse ac horladey like you don't believe very many verses, you reject both the Holy Scriptures and Salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


We are saved through faith in Christ Jesus and yet you ac horladey reject that Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is your salvation





your user name well describes you:

ac hor ladey

1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

and it's the same today, isn't it ac



The hor in Revelation is false religion, false church, your username seems appropriate.

Hairyrapunzel:
Read verse 9 and understand the motive behind this prayer. Infact read the whole matthew chapter 6. This is how Jesus Christ said his followers should pray when praying

OR are you saying Jesus was a sinner and telling God to forgive Him his sins as he forgives those who sin against him and for God not to lead Him into temptation and deliver him from evil. The Lords prayer is the way Jesus taught his followers how pray.

Read the verses before and after the prayer itself and you will understand the motive.

That's how you read verses and take them out of the context in which they are used because you are trying to be intelligent. Read the whole chapter before you explain a verse.

Things I have learnt from you so far
1. Jesus christ is not Lord and Saviour
2. Jesus christ is a sinner that is why he prayed the Lords prayer
3. The only way to get salvation is to Join watchtower organization and follow it's doctrine
4. Children of jws may leave the religion that is why it is better they die by their parents refusing blood transfusion
5. Your 7 men in new York are going to heaven while you will inherit earth.
6. 99.9% of the world population will die at armageddon because they are not jws

yes you are right, Jesus wasn't praying, He was teaching the people how they shoulld pray.

John chapter 17 is an instance of the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ praying to His Father.

achorladey:
1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Reason on this verse very well before you comment. Are you OLAADEGBU and your colleagues a SAVIOUR? A. Yes B. No C. Uncertain. Who do you think gave you the ability to become a SAVIOUR? Feel free to mention name(s). If you acknowledge that individual, is it out of place for that individual to also acknowledge the very person that gave him that authority to become a Saviour? A. Yes B. No C. Uncertain
Sorry the question might seem not straightforward enough. I am dealing with professors. Professional questions are tougher than school dropouts questions.

yet another case of you ac horladey ignoring God's inspired word, not believing,
and coming back with anything you can to try and disprove the Bible,
and that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour,
you fail miserably every time ac horladey.

achorladey:
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the father) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the father); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the son) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God(God the father and the Holy Spirit) formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the son); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the Holy Spirit) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the father and God the Son) , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the Holy Spirit); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the son)," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
Which way?
NOTE: You believe the Trinity consist of three persons. Don't come back and tell me something else.

OLAADEGBU post and scriptures clearly show your beliefs to be false ac horladey,
and which you could not reply to, but instead you come back with your great confusion above.

OLAADEGBU:
Let me help you out. Here some pertinent questions and answers for you to ponder on as to the nature of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour," (Isaiah 43:10,11).

Is God the Saviour of the world?

If you study this verse I quoted above objectively, you will discover the following:

There always has been and always will be only one true God.

There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.

Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.

This leads to another question:

Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?

I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this. Even your favourite version of the Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.

Therefore, since:

The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and

Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),

Jesus must therefore be the one true God.

To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11. Neither alternative fits with Scripture.

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?

In Titus 2:13 it states the following:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

Paul is here through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stating clearly that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour unless you are disputing this fact.

achorladey:
Yet they read our ''Lords prayer'' every day and cannot reason enough to know that even your personal Lord and Saviour asked or begged to be delivered from the wicked one. Even your personal Lord and Saviour has a personal Lord and Saviour of his own. #thinkthinkthink# I don't need millions of scriptural citations to prove facts. You only need to reason on the little you have, decipher it and pay attention to how you listen so you don't become dull in your listening skills and eventually become dumb.

Luk_22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.



Your hate for the Bible ac horladey only matches your hate for Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
glad you acknowledge that He is our personal Lord and Saviour though.

We could shout it from the rooftops: "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour"

achorladey:
Free platform to express myself in any language.

free platform is one excuse,
avoiding some others replying to you is another.

OLAADEGBU:
Let me help you out. There is only One Lord and Saviour. Now answer me. Is Jesus your Lord and Saviour?

acholadey cannot say like God's word does, that Jesus is our Lord and Saviour:
2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

acholadey cannot pray to Jesus as Stephen did, Stephen called upon "God - Lord Jesus"...:
Act 7:59  And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 
Act 7:60  And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. 

acholsdey cannot call Jesus, as Stephen did, "my Lord and my God":
Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 

Christians of God given faith though, can say all those things, just like God's inspired word say's them.

pharisee jw's don't believe God through His inspired word, but they believe their fallen angel inspired elders through their magazines.

achorladey:
That hits you hard. Learn to stay within the confines of the discussion. Answer the question, if you can't waka jejely comot. Professor wey no fit remain within the confines of the discussion na professor be that one? Or professor of biology(botanist) wey wan prove sey im be oga for laminar and turbulent flow for professor wey be engineer. I tire ooooooo. Oga na watchtower abi awake I cite on this thread?

This one cannot answer anything,
the truth you cannot do.

achorladey:
Professor emeritus wey no understand question. I dey look how you​ go take answer the question. You think sey na by you go school dem dey take comprehend wetin dey inside Bible. Sorry na your case. Se o fe gbo, pupo ninu awon omoleyin Jesu ko lo si ile iwe, sibe sibe won loye bibeli ju awon elegbe won ti won gbajumo ninu iwe kika. This one no be omowe things. Ti nnkan ko ba ye o to, beere ibeere.

Don't be a coward,
post in English so as everyone can read and reply,
be a man.

achorladey:
You could have called him ''mother''. I am not blind, I know the verse I cited has that already. Oga go back again find that question and find better answer for me.

Ha ha what a phony jw, your post was properly adressed and that's all you can come up with

still running away from the issue "Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour",
you don't believe it, rejecting the Bible, and you cannot say it, Denying the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.