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Hairyrapunzel:
Continue twisting bible passages.

that's what false jw have done right from the foundation of their sect

and they have made very many false prophecies to the timing of Jesus return, when one prophecy fails they prophecy another

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false jw's come to your door appearing as lambs, but where they are anonymous such as these forums
you can see how they are ravening wolves, denying and blaspheming the Lord at every opportunity
calling Him "a god" which is a false God, for there is but one true God etc.etc.

Barristter07:
empty talk.

A sincere person doesn't need to read New World Translation to know that 1 Timothy 3:16 has been manipulated by trinitarians, Most modern translation said " He was manifested " or Which was manifested " Not God was manifested . why the difference ? that will lead a sane person to research the truth of the matter.


on top all, una no fit answer the questions that arise from the verse.

lie lie,
who is the "He" in "He was manifested"
it is the Word Jesus Christ, and many verses have been posted showing that "He" the Word Jesus Christ is God

go back and read them, but believe them oh pharisee jw

Barristter07:
Very good question

phony jw blindly agreeing with other blind one

Peacefullove:
To a Catholic, you just proved Mary is the mother of God. if God was manifest in FLESH, who is the Mother of God ?

Barristter07:


God was manifest in flesh and God died right ? .

oh blind one, Jesus the man died,
His Spirit - God, of course didn't,
God is a spirit,
God and the Word is God.

I know that's to much for you to understand or believe

Peacefullove:
To a Catholic, you just proved Mary is the mother of God. if God was manifest in FLESH, who is the Mother of God ?

like you just repeated, God become flesh, Mary is the mother of Jesus the man(flesh)
Jesus the Word existed from eternity did Mary exist from eternity
so mary can not be Mother of Jesus the word

jw so duh

take your off topic post to a catholic thread

Barristter07:
I have done that already from the Heart! I don't need your validation nor the lip service you are demanding . Let Matt 7:22,23 sink into your mind

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That is speaking about u and other non believers who say they can say "Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour" but they don't
and if they did they do not mean it.

Barristter07:
mi o le rerin ooo


and according to 2 Pet 1:4, humans will have the DIVINE NATURE ? Yes or No

lie lie barristter, Christians can share in the nature of God now in Christ through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit
u deniers will never have that
try understanding what the Bible say's

alchemist13:
At least Jehovah Witness do not believe in the ridiculous doctrine of the Trinity.

False jw doesn't believe much of anything that is written in the Bible about Jesus

Mat 10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

(2Pe 2:1)  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2Pe 2:2)  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

That is sure speaking of evil phony jw's


however al, it is logical and appropiate that an atheist supports sectarian false jw's

achorladey:
You could have given us the nature of Satan, if you can tell us the nature of Jesus christ will that of Satan be difficult? After all the Satan we all know today was created.

@bold, duh, not difficult at all, satan was a angel, had the nature and spirit of the angelic kind
until he had the thought to knock God of His Throne,
ha ha he so duh like false jw, he is the originator of: Jesus Christ is not the Lord and Saviour, the Word is not equal to God etc.
he is your father, the god that you follow, who teaches you,
I have to admit though ac hor ladey, he does teach you well.

@underline, you know him much better than most.

achorladey:
What a question!!!! You don't have to stoop so low to ask such a question. You can go and ask your personal Lord and Saviour what John 17:3 means after all he(Jesus) was praying to the only true God no be me talk am, Na Jesus talk so for John 17:3

another very simple question that the great marathon runner runs away from

Hairyrapunzel:
For me Jesus is God and you are thought to believe Jesus is a god. we both agree that there is only one true God.

Since you believe Jesus is a god then what kind of God is he? A true or a false God?

Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
^^^ this is Jesus speaking in the capacity as a man(Son of God)


This below is showing that the Son in the Spirit is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I know you claimed that is the only verse I know off showing Jesus the Word is God,
but you wouldn't accept my challenge of posting others

Barristter07:
Hairyrapunzel



The same Divine nature that Humans will have ? ( 2 Pet 1:4 ) Hehehehehe , a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Do you agree that those humans are equal to God ?

how can jw's be so duh,
by not having God's Spirit, that's how

the verse is not talking of some future time after the resurrection and catching up to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, it is talking off what Christians can have then and now,
read the next verse 5, which tells us, that besides the promise that we may be partakers of the divine nature
we can then add to our faith virtue and knowledge.

Barristter07:
Hairyrapunzel



Still a very illogical assertion,

His post is exactly true,
what part of it is a very illogical assertion?

none, but you are a forever lie lie

Hairyrapunzel:
You and your boss both have different roles at work but you are both human beings
Angels are not in nature God. They don't possess the divine nature.

There is only one true God

Barristter07:
Are you aware that humans will be Partakers of the DIVINE NATURE ? ( 2 Pet 1:4) Does this mean they are equal to God ?

duh, how are humans, partakers of the divine nature,
by having the Holy spirit live in them, that's how,
their spirit doesn't change from human spirit to God Spirit.

Hairyrapunzel:
Read the Bible well. you remind me of the Jews wanting to kill Jesus because they said Jesus said he was God which to them that was blasphemy
And You tell us it is blasphemy when we say Jesus is God and Jesus is our personal Lord and savior.

@bold, yes he is like them

@underline, you realise he hasn't a clue, they all have been blinded

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

achorladey:
I have been waiting for you to quote this scripture, my prayer answered definitely.
Do you believe what the Jews said here about Jesus your personal Lord and Saviour ........
Joh 5:18  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God
[b]Do you believe what Jesus your personal Lord and Saviour said here about the same Jews ..........
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
If I am a student of yours, whose word would you want me to believe(that of the Jews or Jesus christ or both). Note, Whatever you choose for me tells me the kind of person you are. Chose wisely or run from the question as usual.

ac hor ladey
ha ha, that from the great confused athlete - marathon runner,

truly I do believe the jews said that Jesus was making Himself equal with God, that's what is written etc., John 5:18

truly I do believe Jesus said the jews are of their father the devil, and the lusts of their father they will do. He(satan) was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. That's what is written etc., John 8:44

yes Jesus said that about the jews, it is also about false jw being of their father the devil
see in red how you are alike

your confusion is amazing, only other people pleasing confused jw's can believe you.

Barristter07:
saintmark88




Angels have the nature of God ( Spirit being John 4:24) They are all Spirits .

duh another lie from barristter with two "t",
if angels have the nature of God, how did satan and a third of the angels fall

angelic beings are not God beings, there are myriads of angelic beings, there is only one God being
who is two persons God and the Word (leaving Holy Spirit out, you couldn't possibly understand, you don't even understand how God and the Word is God, contary to God's word.)

The closest angels are to God is that they are spirits, satan and other fallen angels are spirit's,
but not of God's Spirit, and not God. Angelic beings have an angelic spirit, like humans have a human spirit.

If angels were of God's Spirit they would be God, as God and the Word is God
If angels were of God's Spirit, one third of them would not have fallen to a sinful state, including the false jw's god satan.


btw, Christians are not of God's Spirit, they have God's Spirit dwelling in them,
only Father and the Word are the God Spirit, when the Word became flesh He had a human spirit,
and He also had the God Spirit, He was both man and God, God can become man but He cannot stop being God,
and He sometimes spoke from a human prespective, and He sometimes spoke from a God prepesceptive, however I know you cannot understand any of that, and deny it even if you could.

false jw's, the great Jesus Christ deniers.

Barristter07:
saintmark88




Very hilarious statement though , You can't be subordinate to your equal . Absorb that

lie lie barristter, saintmark post is a good one, and all you can do is try and twist- lie away the truth

Jesus the "man" is subordinate to Father "God", and with that you deny all the scriptrures showing that "the Word is God",
God(Father) and God((the Word) is God, of course God is equal to God,
but instead of believeing the Bible, you deny it because you cannot understand, not having God's Spirit.

Jesus emptied himself of his divinity, of his equality with God, and became a subordinate man.
As God, God and the Word is equal, of course, but not to Christ deniers, not to antichrists


you don't understand or believe, I know that, bad for you lie lie.

Barristter07:
achorladey



Thank you for the bold part in the above post, If they are indeed equal, Exalting him should have make him Greater than God

Barristter07:
achorladey




Logical , Even the context doesn't support their submission.

people pleaser, supporting confusion, non understanding, and denial of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

Barristter07:
Father and Son are not equal ( John 14:28)

It didn't take long for you to start lying again lie lie barrisster
barristter has one "t" by the way, not a very smart barrister

Joh 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 
^^^Jesus is speaking there from His human perpespective,
as the Word He is equal like the scriptures show, , open your eyes and believe the Bible

but of course you lie lie captivator don't believe the Bible and your false jw org has changed your own book

Jesus knew He was equal to God(Father):
Php_2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

The Jews of that time knew Jesus considered Himself God:
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

God is One:
Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one. 


Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
^^^ Jesus is Yahovah(God) of the Old Testament, read the Yahovah - Jesus verses I posted, but believe them.

Barristter07:
Johnw74




@ captivator is right, Jesus spoke of His Father as His God and our God (John 20:17) If His Father being our God means he is Superior to us , Same applies to Jesus going by John 20:17 quoted earlier .

Jesus calling Father "my God" doesn'mean the Bible is wrong about Jesus being equal to the Father,
one of your problems is you don't believe God's word,
Father also called Jesus "O God"

achorladey:
he is your personal Lord and Saviour. Hahahahahahahahahhahahhhahahah

Yes He certinally is, I have said it often.

2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Pe_2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe_3:2  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe_3:18  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Php_3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:


Isa 40:3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mar 1:3  The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

^^^ Isaiah was referring to "Yahovah" when he said: "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD(Yahovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

Mark was referring to "Jesus" when he said: "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord(Jesus Christ), make his paths straight".



Can you ac, say the Lord Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour?

come back now you hear

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

An•ti•christ
(ˈæn tɪˌkraɪst)

a. any opponent of or disbeliever in Christ.

Yahovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:



Just before verse 10 showing Jesus and Jehovah to be God, the Father called Jesus "God"

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Two persons, one God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ac(denyier of Christ) hor(false religion) ladey, I knew you wouldn't want me to post more Bible verses showing that Jesus is God John 1:1, since you said that's all I had.
Here is more of God's word for you to deny ac:

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

^^^ now ac hor ladey, mighty God is also called almighty God, they are not two seperate god's that you believe in,
a mighty God Jesus and a almighty God Jehovah, ha ha ha

hide from you and your questions, now that's funny
I show you up in every one of your denials of the lord and saviour Jesus Christ,
and in your denials that the Word is equal with God etc.

how does Jesus relationship with the Father show that Jesus is not Lord and Saviour etc
as God's word shows He is.

You don't understand God's word, and how can you, you deny all of it that doesn't agree with what you are taught form men and magazines.


I knew you wouldn't ask for me to post scriptures besides John 1:1 showing the Word is God,
all you had was a big mouth, wasn't it, but I will post them anyway.

achorladey:
I dont expect you to stoop so low to follow my mind either, But you can follow the mind of christ as expressed in Phillipians 2:5,6,7,8,9,10,11
Jesus Christ has always been a subject of that one that subjected all things under his feet.
1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Jesus once said about a robber, John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

He never had the mind of stealing a position that was not his from the start latter Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him(Jesus) , and given him a name which is above every name:
Admit the mind of christ it can never be hard to do he is your personal Lord and Saviour. Hahahahahahahahahhahahhhahahah

The verse is talking about God exalting the man Jesus, how does God exalting Jesus and giving Him a name above every other name, mean that the Word is not equal with God as scriptures show He is?
come back now you hear

a bit to many ha ha's there ac, you appear to be bordering on hysteria,
that can happen mocking the Lord and Saviour as you do.




well of course continued confusion from you ac hor ladey, it seems all you have,
continued confusion - mumbo jumbo to deny God's word that shows "the Word is equal to the Father":

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Joh 5:18  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.




And in your continued confusion and mumbo jumbo ac, you still deny the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ:

Joh_4:42  And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Php_3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


I give scriptures showing that the word is equal to the Father, and I give scriptures showing that Jesus is indeed the Lord and Saviour,
you ac don't believe God's word and give confusion and mumbo jumbo in your denial of God's word and in your denial that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour
of course confusion and mumbo jumbo is what comes from denying God's word and the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
you prove that in your every post.

ac hor ladey, while I'm waiting on your reply, to if you want me to post more scriptures besides John 1:1 showing that Jesus is God, here are some Yahovah and Jesus verses for you to deny:

Yahovah
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
*
Yahovah:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
*
Yahovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
*
Yahovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


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achorladey:
GOD'S WORD Php 2:6  Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. 

Why will Jesus take advantage of what he has already attained since Jesus is the one God?
KJV Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Why would a thought of not robbing the position of equality he has already attained come to Jesus mind if indeed he has already attained it.
Or perhaps you need a better translation,
English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6
. The simplest of Jesus mental attitude, The simplest of Jesus mind you are not ready to follow. Haba Johnw74

I am not ready to follow your simple mind, that's for sure ac,
what is that mumbo jumbo

the verse is very clear, Jesus is equal to God(Father)

KJV Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

GOD'S WORD Php 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6

those verses are correct but your's and cap's translation and understanding of them is not,
your elders lead you up the garden path, the wrong path, you have to be such duh's to follow them.

Following Jesus is the only way, Christians follow Him, false jw's deny Him.

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

achorladey:
Johnw74 make do with the advice given by captivator?

ha ha, I'm of course no surprised at your agreeing with captivator with his mistranslation of Phillipians 2:6
read my reply to him and learn some truth.

achorladey:
I can easily predict who you are, I know you will run back to your John 1:1 once I typed the post you replied to. The last straw you are hanging onto. Keep it up!!!!!!!!

ha ha ac, do you think John 1:1 is the only verse showing that Jesus Christ is God,
I can post many other verses besides john 1:1 showing that Jesus Christ is God,
do you want me to?

come back now, you hear

CAPTIVATOR:
Have you forgotten that Philipians 2:3 Tell each Christian to "regard others as
better than and superior to himself"! , Then in verse 5 it says this attitude was in Christ Jesus too and we SHOULD IMITATE his Example.

Are you now telling me Christ whose example we want to follow, didnt regard his God has better than , Above and Superior to himself ?

once again you are changing the subject which is "the word who became Jesus Christ is equal to Father",
Philippians 2:6 is clear on that


it is clear that false jw's purposely change what was said, change the subject - lie,
to avoid the truth, because it happens very often, and surely no one can be that dumb, but perhaps you are:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

CAPTIVATOR:
So I am addding to the scripture if I said My God is superior to me . if not Superior, Why Call him MY God then ? You need to be reasonable.

calling someone MY GOD makes the Person Superior to you.

Use your thinking faculty bro ( Proverb 2:11)

look how you false jw twist things - lie, to avoid truth, that's what false jw's do as you know,
your last statement was: "So I am addding to the scripture if I said My God is superior to me"
it's Jesus that was spoken off not you.

You are not Jesus, you are as far from Him as can be,
you certainly don't use your thinking faculty, except to lie and deny

For those with eyes to see: Hairyrapunzel, OLAADEGBU etc.


Psa 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.



Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


and those blind to it: acholadey, captivator

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus calling his Father " MY GOD " proved the Father is superior ! Rev 3:12

Jesus calling His Father " MY GOD " proved the Father is Jesus God, nothing more,
you read and add into scriptures things that are not there, typical of false jw

by your reckoning Father calling Jesus " O GOD " would prove Jesus superior

it doesn't, it has been shown that Father and the Word, who became Jesus Christ are equal.

Father calls the shots and the Word Jesus Christ performs them, that is their way,
it is also the way on earth with man, one is foreman, the other carries out his instructions,
with two men calling the shots, there would be confusion as in the false jw org.


How can the Word have been created, when there is nothing that has been created that He(the Word) didn't create.

Joh 1:3  Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists, was made without him.

so if Jesus was created as you and ac wrongly say, then Jesus either created Himself or he doesn't exist.

you are both so confused, but then you are both false jw.