₦airaland Forum

dolphinheart:
You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18

ha ha, lie lie and false accuser dolphinheart

John 1:18 is referring to the Father, not to the Word, and not to both the Father and the Word, oh great twister-lie lie
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

dolphinheart:
I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.

ha, your twisting -lying and confusion is unbelievable,
but not really, your confusion comes from lying

no man has seen the Father at any time, is what is said and what is implied in the scriptures, but keep twisting-lying, oh lying one


God, is Yahweh
God, is God and the Word
God, is Yahweh, the Word, is Yahweh
no man has seen Father
it is not, no man has seen the Word




not believing the Bible and changing it leads to such continual confusion,
doesn't it a/c dolphinheart


lie lie confused dolphinheart

I left out most of your post because it's even more confused than the parts I quoted,

dolphinheart:
if you learn how to be truthful , not editing my post when replying, I will respond.
you say I repeat things , well the truth cannot change no matter the angle you attack it from, the scriptures and explanation I gave will not change, as long as you challenge them, I'll only have to show them to you again.

ha ha antichrist dolphinheart talking about being truthful

of course there is nothing wrong with the scriptures, except some from the NWT
but you don't understand or believe many scriptures is obvious, you think the Word is "a god"
for one

and it's your confusion and lies that you repeat over and over again

dolphinheart:
You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18
fact: people saw jesus, no one has seen the father.
The father is God who no one has seen.

2. The Father sent jesus, the father borne witness of jesus. Referring to the people he was talking to , they have not heard or seen the shape of the father - John 5:37
Fact: A. The father sent jesus, the scriptures Below say God sent jesus, this is more fact to show that the father is the God that sent jesus. jesus is not God that sent jesus.
1Jo 4:10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
Ga 4:4But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law,

If the scriptures tell you that the father sent jesus, jesus could tell you that his father sent him, the scriptures could tell you that God sent him, and yet you could not Decipher that the father is God that sent jesus, then falsehood had taken a firm grip of you.

Even if you do not believe those facts in (A), other facts were added for you to see.
Fact (B) father boure witness of jesus.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”
2Pe 1:17For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved

I'll also advise you to go study the prophecies about jesus said by Jehovah.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.


I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.
now you are trying to claim that jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one.

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18


The fact that you tried to claim that people saw jesus shows he is not God or Jehovah that no one can see.


Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with!


The scriptures and jesus himself identifies who our God is, the one no one can see, the father , Jehovah, who he and his disciples pray to.
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF Jesus, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING Jesus, HIS SERVANT.

We also know that since jesus sits at the right hand of God, the father, jehovah, the most high God, God almighty , he cannot be the same person as the one he sits besides:
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

So no you cannot simply-honestly reply to just a few scriptures,
you have to resort to your very many words of confusion rather than agree to the truth
but that's antichrists for you.

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness

Pro_26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.


No man has seen the Father, scriptures given
and so it's the Word speaking in posted OT verses

so simple but you antichrist dolphinheart of course cannot admit it and uses many words to twist-lie

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.
vvv

johnw74:
I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

themall:
Dear judge Moses, please you can make contact with:

Africa Centre for Theological Studies (ACTS)
Address: No. 3 Ike Asogwa Street, off Faramobi Ajike Street, Anthony,
Lagos
Phone: 0803 334 3922

Rhema Bible Training Centre
Address: 10, Mediterranean Close Maitama, Abuja
Phone: +234 08076 576 163

Gospel Apostolic Church Bible College
Address:46/48 Ayodele Okeowo Street
Soluyi Gbagada, Lagos
Phone: +234-1774-6572

dum mall, if you talk like a false jehovahs witness, then you are a false jehovahs witness
whether you belong to their sect or not
you have all their traits: lying, false accusing,
confusion, hypocrisy, and your list goes on

It's good that you know they are a sect though, now take a look at yourself

themall:
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA

again, no courage to reply to post

themall:
Dear Apostate @johnw74, please add my fellow to your present list:
Pastor D.K. Olukoya, the founder of Mountain of Fire Ministries, has stated that he and his church members don’t celebrate Christmas

According to Olukoya, the church doesn’t celebrate it because the roots are “demonic.”

He however blasted men of God who hide under the umbrella of being cleric to “mesmerise” their “habitual gullible followers.”

He said: “Many a Nigerian pastor swathes himself in that rapacious cloak even as it evolves into an iron cage from which he mesmerizes his habitually-gullible followers, leading them on by a leash, into his iron cage. “It is on scriptural records that Jesus Christ, when winding up his mission of salvation about two thousand years ago, expressed his ambivalence about finding faith in the world when he returns. “He must have seen with precision the impending decadence awaiting Christendom after his departure.”

Please come up with the usual.....

just like the false jw's sect you also follow men, and believe what they tell you
you are just like false jw, and are a false jw

we Christians follow the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ


@blue, have never fallen away from the Christian faith
but satans followers love to lie,
now you see the false accusing charge is true



@green, someone been talking about Christmas?
now you can see the confusion charge is true


@red, yes of course I will continue to speak truly
and you will continue to speak rot

themall:
How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

@blue
how can I be ha ha talking about hypocrisy, you say

themall:
Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical

such a false jw, satans church hypocrite
now you can see the hypocrite charge is true

you false jw mall, are such a false accusing antichrist
and to you like to all false jw's, speaking lies is speaking naturally.

Kontinue, as you like to say

themall:
How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

@blue
how can I be ha ha talking about hypocrisy, you say

themall:
Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical

I know you have been blinded but even so you should be able to see your hypocrisy there

blind mall, jozzy dum, lie lie dolphinheart all hypocrites as are all false jw's

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus to the pharisees of old, and the pharisee jehovahs witnesses hypocrites of today:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

just read false jw posts, you are becoming worse and worse, just like Jesus said.

themall:
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOA
DOADOA

phony mall, you talk about being afraid, but are afraid to say what you mean

themall:
How can a freelancer or a group usually too afraid to mention their churches or those with the UNholy objectives breaking people faiths in the bible and Jesus be "ha ha, talking about hypocrisy" of "the jehovahs witness sect" or any other sect

ha ha a/c mall, not only a hypocrite but lies, and a false accuser too, of course
in other words a typical antichrist jw

however I say this of you, @bold, you know the jehovahs witnesses are a sect

themall:
Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical "apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect" Very easy to spot an apostate. Some say this is a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle or abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
Apostates are those who fall away from the true faith, abandoning what they formerly professed to believe. The term describes those whose beliefs are so deficient as to place them outside the pale of true Christianity. For example, a liberal denomination that denies the authority of Scripture or the ransoming value of Christ's blood is an apostate denomination.

True Christians do not apostatize. Those who fall away into apostasy demonstrate that their faith was never real to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Now where do you place yourself? Because the definition sticks

Kontinue

@blue
ha ha, talking about hypocrisy, the jehovahs witness sect is full of it
take a look at jozzy dum and a/c dolphinheart here:

Jozzy4:
lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,


Good work bro . thumbs up


I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

dolphinheart:
yo are right , thanks and amen.

johnw74:
you mean like you jozzy and you dolphin do, and are doing right now to your common enemy, bro and john

Ha ha, talking about yourself s again,

self righteous false accusing hypocrites both

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

The jehovahs witnesses sect say they are christians, but they do lie,
they are pretend christians, they are tares(weeds)

The Parable of the Weeds

the man is Jesus
His enemy is satan
the good seed(wheat) are Christians
the tares(weeds that look like wheat) are pretend christians such as the jehovahs witnesses sect
the servants are God'sAngels

Mat 13:24  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 
Mat 13:25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 
Mat 13:26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 
Mat 13:27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 
Mat 13:28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 
Mat 13:29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


I was reminded of the jehovahs witnesses tares yesterday
while rooting out weeds in my garden.

dolphinheart:

Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.

dolphinheart:

Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

dolphinheart:

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

I did not say father giving Jesus revelation ,I said God gave Jesus the revelation

lie lie dolphinheart said: it was God the almighty, I did not say father, I said God

dolphinheart:

the person who is with someone cannot be the same person with the one he is with!.

Ha ha, no a/c dolphinheart He is not the same person He is the same God, (Father and Son = two persons) duh



1Jn_1:6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

false jehovahs witnesses:

Pro_12:17  He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Pro_14:5  A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
Pro_14:25  A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.

^^^ reply to above posts


lie lie dolphinheart


ha ha all that mostly repeated confusion
read your post again and see all the confusion, twisting-lying there, if that's possible for the blinded

such confusion comes from constant twisting-lying

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

dolphinheart:
whenever I tell you something, I usually quote the scriptures to support what I say


then you should have no problem believing the translations I quoted who had removed the false words added by the false scribes to support the false trinity doctrine.

I do not pit translations against translations, if the translations are the same, then their can be no pitting, but if they are differentering, then their is something wrong, a sincere person will search for what is wrong and get to know which one is true and which one is false, it is clear that both different translations cannot be true.


Good that you now admit that God spoke in the book of revelation.
The one who is who was and who is to come is almighty God, jesus is not that one.
God gave the revelation to jesus , jesus is not God who gave the revelation to jesus.
In revelation, jesus has a God he calls my God, almighty God does not have a God superior to him.



Good you stated those 2 sources.


Good, so stop doing those things!

dolphinheart:
FULL TEXT OF MY POST BEFORE IT WAS HEAVELY ERASED
"read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.


Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!

different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)


unfortunately for you, the verse did not say father, look below:
we all know it is Jehovah talking here :
Ex 33:20But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

People saw Jesus and lived, no one can see Jehovah and live, one more evidence to show that Jesus is not Jehovah.



read slowly what I said :

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live
don't try to give my statements different wordings. I used "God" the way the scriptures used it, so that we can identify who God is.


NO! I cannot admit to false teachings. The one who appeared to abraham and Jacob is Almighty God, whose name is Jehovah.
Ex 6:2Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah
Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Jehovah is Almighty God, Jehovah alone is also the most high
[b]Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, [color=blue]You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of [b]God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

We know that Jesus is not the most high, the scriptures say he is the " son of the most high"

we all know that jehovah is almighty God and most high, we also know that jesus sits at the right hand of God, who is most high, almighty God, majesty on high. This knowledge helps us to understand this verses below .
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  [b]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
As you yourself has seen, the father is God and not Jesus. no wonder Jesus could say this
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”

No wonder the disciples could say this :
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,[/blue] may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING JESUS, HIS SERVANT.

you refuse this straight forward verses only to follow verses which you had alter or propose derived analogy about so as to arrive at a false doctrine.

Joh 6:46Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.
can the one who is from God be the same God as the one who he is from?

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

You just indicated that the father sent Jesus, the scriptures indicated that God sent Jesus and you can't put two and two together!

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
no one can see Jehovah and live, no one has seen the father, no one has seen God at anytime, yet you could not decipher that this is referring to the same person , that the father is Jehovah that the father is God almighty, that the father is greater that Jesus, that the father is the most high God.

You could not decipher that Jesus was seen and heard, Jesus was sent by the father, Jesus was sent by God, Jesus called the father his God. You could not use this info ton realise that Jesus is not the father, Jesus is not God almighty, Jesus is subjected to God, Jesus does his father's will, Jesus is not Jehovah.


No man has ever seen the Father, yet God appeared to men, it was God the Word that became the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke and appeared to men.
Yahweh of the old Testament is the Word of God-the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


no one can see Jehovah, no one can see God, no one has seen God, no one can see Jehovah and yet live. This facts can be found in the scriptures.
If Jesus is God and Jesus is Jehovah, thenot it means that those scriptures are lying. but since we know that Jesus is not God who sent hime to earth, that Jesus is not the father who sent him as his representative, and that Jesus is not Jehovah who prophesied about him as his servant, then those verses are telling us the truth

ha ha, to many many words of folly to add my reply here
continue next post

dolphinheart:
Johnw74, I know you are making several posts mentioning my moniker, but as long as you do so while editing my posts, I will not respond to you, if I'm to respond, I'll just probably show you the parts of my post you removed.
I'll not bring myself to that level.

antichrist dolphinheart

You don't reply to many of my posts because many of your replies are just repeated twisting-lies and confusion etc. etc.
if you wasn't so un ashameable you wouldnt post at all, ever

themall:
Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical "apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect" Very easy to spot an apostate. Some say this is a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle or abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
Apostates are those who fall away from the true faith, abandoning what they formerly professed to believe. The term describes those whose beliefs are so deficient as to place them outside the pale of true Christianity. For example, a liberal denomination that denies the authority of Scripture or the ransoming value of Christ's blood is an apostate denomination.

True Christians do not apostatize. Those who fall away into apostasy demonstrate that their faith was never real to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Now where do you place yourself? Because the definition sticks

Kontinue

duh, dum mall

@blue, ha ha, no, not only those who fall away from the true faith are apostates,

an apostate is one who falls away from his faith no matter what that faith was,

Dictionary dot com
"apostate"
a total desertion of or departure from one's religion, principles, party, cause, etc.


however when I call you and your brothers in satan, apostates
it's because a percentage of you false jw's were Christians before becoming antichrists
so they are now apostates from Christianity
those who left other faiths are apostates to those other faiths
those of you who had no previous faith of course are not then apostate to it.


but like you they are all antichrists, that's much more than enough to have you thrown into the lake of fire.

come on now mally stop your crying

dolphinheart:

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

antichrist dolphinheart

By God the Almighty you are referring to Father, right?
so you are saying Father gave Jesus the revelation, so it is Father talking in Rev 1:8.
Then by your own reckoning of Father giving Jesus the revelation means it is Father talking, then it would have to be Father talking here also:

Just from Chapter 1 alone.
Rev 1:11,17, 18, 19, 20,

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
 
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 
 
Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.



So acording to you lie lie dolphinheart because Father gave Jesus the Revelation means it is Father talking,
then according to you Father said in verse 18: "I am he that liveth, and was dead".

You never get it right, you are wrong most of the time, but you love to keep twisting God's word,
you love to lie against God and His word, often, you love to deny Christ, all the time.

This is Jesus talking again, to you antichrist dolphinheart:
Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 

Because you believe in a false yahweh and a false jesus you are also a whoremonger and a idolater, and because your elders speak with fallen angels, you false jw's are sorcerers also
the only one I don't know about in that verse as applying to you and most false jw's is murderer, but that wouldn't suprise me either,
7 out of 8 is damning.

dolphinheart:

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

I did not say father giving Jesus revelation ,I said God gave Jesus the revelation

dolphinheart:

Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

dolphinheart:

Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.

antichrist dolphinheart

your personal text:

"time always tell the truth"

then how is it you lie all the time?

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

the false jw org claim to be the Prophet of God

"This 'prophet' was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it" (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197).
Link: carm dot org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witness-organization-prophet-god

If the Watchtower Organization is a prophet of God, why has it made false prophecies?

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874" (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, p. 621).

1899 " . . . the battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced" (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 ed., p. 101).

1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914" (The Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).

1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge" (The Watchtower, April 1, 1923, p. 106).

1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year" (The Watchtower, January 1, 1925, p. 3).

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years
1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates" (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon" (The Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).

1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world, even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The end did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them" (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).

1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (The Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).


With all the multitude of evidence that shows the jehovahs witnesses sect to be satanic
their followers are not just people who are fooled, they are people who love following satan and his church

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat_24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
^^^
Christians here can see just how accurately antichrist false jw's are spoken off in these verses:
deceivers, in sheep's clothing, ravening wolves, false prophets, false teachers, having damnable heresies, denying the Lord that bought them

some from carm dot org
some mine

dolphinheart:
good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.

To be accurate no man can see Father and live, as verses below show.



good that you can admit that no man can see Father and live, or can you?

so can you now admit that it is the Word of God who is speaking in these verses and who appeared to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and whose name is God Almighty, Yahweh
can you now admit that it is the Word of God and not the Father speaking and who appeared?

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.



Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


No man has ever seen the Father, yet God appeared to men, it was God the Word that became the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke and appeared to men.
Yahweh of the old Testament is the Word of God-the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

themall:
TELL THEM TO BEWARE OF APOSTATES

duh dum mall

ha ha, that what you say, is from the horses mouth, tell them your self,
you are one of them, apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect

dolphinheart:
read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,



it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]



Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 



good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.


Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!



different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)

antichrist dolphinheart

of course just the same old repeated lies and confusion over and over again
denying the lord Jesus Christ and the Bible.

I don't have a problem with Bible translations other than the NWT
but you do and you pit translations against translations, particularly against the KJV Bible, such is the evil of satans church

Where God is speaking in revelation, it is the Word Jesus Christ, plain as day,
but you lie lie dolphinheart choose darkness

This of course is Jesus again speaking in revelation, to you
Truly this is the record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, to you lie lie dolphinheart:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

false jw deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist


Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


Father called Jesus God in verse 8, and called Him God again in verse 9,
and in verse 10 Father called Jesus Lord(kurios-supreme in authority-God)
 


false jw cannot understand how Jesus is God, when Father is the God of Jesus,
and of course they cannot understand without God in them


1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

false jw deny Jesus, that He is God, even though Father said He is, and they are antichrist that deny the Son

false jw deny Father who said Jesus is God, and they are antichrist that deny the Father

continued

The Vaudois

Now the "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian, etc. This Bible carries heavy weight when finding out what God really said. John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards believed, as most of the Reformers, that the Vaudois were the descendants of the true Christians, and that they preserved the Christian faith for the Bible-believing Christians today.

Who Has the Most to Gain? Who Has the Most to Lose?

The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God's words to the days of the Reformation.

Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier. But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives.

What about the "scholars" at Alexandria, Egypt? We already know about them. They could not even make their few 45 manuscripts agree. How could we believe they preserved God's words?

The Reformation itself owes a lot to these Christians in the French Alps. They not only preserved the Scriptures, but they show to what lengths God would go to keep his promise (Psalm 12:6-7).

And that's only part of the story about the preservation of God's words.


Psa 12:6  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 
Psa 12:7  Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God's words have been preserved, so recent times so called bibles that say diffrent like the NWT, are obviously fraudlent.

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

false jw criticize the KJV Bible, which to me is just more affirmation that it is good.


By David W. Daniels

Question: Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it in the King James Bible?

Answer: 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.

It is true that there is a small number of Scriptures that are not the same between the King James Bible and the so-called "Majority" Greek text. There are a number of reasons for this:

The so-called "Majority" text was not really based on the majority of texts, but rather a relatively small number of manuscripts. The last person to try to find the differences between the majority of Greek manuscripts, Dr. Von Soden, did not collate more than 400 of the more than 5,000 Greek texts. In other words, what is commonly called the "Majority" Greek text is not a collation of the majority of manuscripts at all.
The "Majority" Greek text is also the main Greek text used by the Eastern Orthodox religion. They had a vested interest in changing (or deleting) some texts. More on this in a moment.
1 John itself is not in a large number of extant Greek manuscripts.
So why then is 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible, but not in many of the existing Greek manuscripts? To understand the answer, we must look at the history of what happened shortly after the Bible was written.

The Greek and Roman Institutions

During the early growth of the Christian church, ministers (whether saved or not) wrote down doctrines that they said were Christian and Biblical. Starting after the death of the apostles (about 100 AD) many people taught the lie that Jesus was not God the Son and Son of God, or that Jesus became God at His baptism, or the false doctrine that the Holy Spirit was not God or was not eternal.

The growing religion that became known as Roman Catholic, after many debates eventually agreed on the doctrine of the Trinity. So they had no reason to remove 1 John 5:7 from their Bibles, since it supported what they taught.

But the Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.

A Trail of Evidence

But during this same time, we find mention of 1 John 5:7, from about 200 AD through the 1500s. Here is a useful timeline of references to this verse:

200 AD Tertullian wrote "which three are one" based on the verse in his Against Praxeas, chapter 25.
250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
350 AD Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 AD Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
398 AD Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 AD Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in "Three Witnesses in Heaven"
B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in "The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
500 AD Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.]
550 AD Old Latin ms r has it
550 AD The "Speculum" has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.]
750 AD Wianburgensis referred to it
800 AD Jerome's Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome's original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.]
1000s AD miniscule 635 has it
1150 AD minuscule ms 88 in the margin
1300s AD miniscule 629 has it
157-1400 AD Waldensian (that is, Vaudois) Bibles have the verse
1500 AD ms 61 has the verse
Even Nestle's 26th edition Greek New Testament, based upon the corrupt Alexandrian text, admits that these and other important manuscripts have the verse: 221 v.l.; 2318 Vulgate [Claromontanus]; 629; 61; 88; 429 v.l.; 636 v.l.; 918; l; r.

to be continued

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

false jw doesn't believe the Word is God



Joh 5:22  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Heb 13:4  Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 


verse 22, Father doesn't judge man, the Son does

verse 4, God judges man, that is God the Son judges man.

More facts people should know about the antichrist jehovahs witnesses sect.

The jehovahs witnesses sect say that Jesus wasn't bodily resurrected
that His body was vaporised or some such ridiculous thing.

However the body is what resurrection is about
resurrection isn't about resurrection of the spirit, which doesn't die
but goes back to God who gave it


Ecc_12:7  Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When Jesus returns He will bring the spirits of those who have died in Him, to be joined with their
resurrected bodies which have been made immortal




1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 

At Jesus return the dead in Christ will rise incorruptible
and we in Christ who are alive at that time, our bodies will be changed from mortal to immortal


1Th 4:13  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 



1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

1Co 15:14  And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.


As we who are alive at Jesus coming have our mortal bodies changed to immortal
and as the dead in Christ have their corrupted mortal bodies changed to immortal
so too Jesus incorrupted body was resurrected immortal


Act_2:31  He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Why would Father not allow Jesus body to corrupt, if it was to be vaporised

ha ha false jw so blind.

some things you dum dolphinheart recently said:

1. "Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God."



2. "Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no."


Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

3. "read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation."

"I did not say "father giving Jesus revelation" ,I said "God gave Jesus the revelation"

a/c dolphinheart:
God the almighty gave Jesus revelation....I did not say father giving Jesus revelation....I said God gave Jesus the revelation

4. "the person who is with someone cannot be the same person with the one he is with!."

Ha ha, no a/c dolphinheart He is not the same person He is the same God, (Father and Son = two persons) duh



And you antichrist dolphinheart posts your confusion and lies here page after page, day after day, all the time
and you have been blinded and cannot even see your own lies.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


and you lie lie dolphinheart sometimes say show me where I lied

ha ha, you hardly ever stop lying a/c dolphinheart

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart:
You just displayed your folly, so eliathan is a false God.?
you fail to realise the reasoning behind the question, eliathan is a name given among the isrealites, it does not mean that the bearer is a God, a god , a true or false God. same as elihu, it does not mean the name is God.

Their was a child named Immanuel during the time of immunuEl, go and read that prophecy and its fulfillment during that time, it does not mean that the child is God.
You are very much confused about God and god, you forget they come from the same Hebrew and Greek word with no difference in capitalization.

lie lie dolphinheart

read what you said again and see the confusion, although being blinded you may not see

re read my post and see the foolishness and confusion of your reply

dolphinheart:
Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.

ha ha, amazing

Immanuel is a name for Christ, it means He is God with us, but confused-lying a/c dolph says
it doesnt mean he is God


Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


antichrist dolphinheart

Christ is The mighty God, The everlasting Father
truly He is God with us, but of course you don't believe the Bible and deny Christ at every opportunity.

you are an antichrist


1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

he is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
the Father and the Son is God John 1:1

and shown here also:
Joh_14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

he is antichrist that deny the Father and Son is God

1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost. 

you antichrist dolphinheart cannot say: Jesus is Lord-supreme in authority-God,

the Holy Spirit-God-Father and Son within, is needed.


the word of God, that is, what God say's, comes from the Word of God, who became Jesus Christ
the Word of God speaks on behalf of Himself and Father who are two persons, and who are one God

the record of the word of God(what He said), came from the Word of God(who became Jesus Christ)
and is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I remember telling you it is so simple, and it is, but I understand how it would be darkness-blindness to the un believing.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

dolphinheart:
you know English, but you refuse to use it when it does not support your doctrine, God spoke, jesus testified.
its the use of "word of God" is to signify the same person as jesus, the words "and the" which separates them would not have been used.

antichrist dolphinheart

you are twisting away from the issue again,
the testimony is Jesus Christ's, it is Jesus speaking through out revelation and not the Father

when He say's I am Alpha and Omega etc. Jesus is speaking of Himself and not of Father,
even though Father and Son is Alpha and Omega, the Father wasn't pierced etc. etc. etc.

you just go on and on in confused lies.

your darkness is unbelievable

Mat 6:23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

dolphinheart:
your own view


I did not say "father giving Jesus revelation" , if i said such please show me and others , and if i did not say so, then its you that have just shown others how false you are.
You are always thinking I said something, not reading what I actually said. I said "God gave Jesus the revelation" and i quoted the verse where such knowledge can be found!

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,



good you could quote from a translation that tried to remove false words from that verse.
It was God ,the Almighty that was talking , not Jesus, also John did not add the Almighty it was God that said the Almighty,look at the sentence there is no break in the qoutation marks to signify someone else said "the Almighty".
verses 4 to 6 has shown us that Jesus cannot be the one who is who was and who is to come, in the same sense that Jesus cannot be the seven spirit.



wrong

and neither did I say so, we all know God cannot die , but Jesus said he was dead!



their are certain times he spoke about his God, calling him "my God" , we know who that God is, In John 20: 17, he identified his God as his father!

you omit the part where the revelation was given to Jesus by God.
In the book of revelation we have other personalities apart from Jesus talking.


The revelation that Jesus used his angel to send to John was given to him by God!


you yourself had said it, their are two sources:
who testifies to everything he saw--that is, (1)the word of God and the (2)testimony of Jesus Christ.




Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to the scriptures by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity


Yes, the same Son of man that Daniel saw approaching the ancient of days who gave him power and authority and kingship.


Jesus is first to be resurrected to evaluating life, the firstborn from the dead. jesus is last to be resurrected directly by God, all other resurrection to life will be done by Jesus. This statements are true.



different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)



you know English, but you refuse to use it when it does not support your doctrine, God spoke, jesus testified.
its the use of "word of God" is to signify the same person as jesus, the words "and the" which separates them would not have been used.

lie lie dolphinheart

of course the same repeated twisting-lies much confusion false accusations and denying the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ etc. etc.


Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.

Jesus testified:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending
John added:
the Almighty

John heard a voice behing him saying:
Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned to see who was speaking and saw one like the Som of man:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

Jesus said:
Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 


Jesus Himself made it clear more than once that it is He the Alpha and Omega that is talking, but you antichrist dolphinheart
say those Alpha and Omega verses are Jesus, but the Rev 1:8 Alpha and Omega verse is Yahweh.
That's ridiculous, especially with John saying that Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Even if all the Alpha and Omega verses were Jesus talking except for the Alpha Omega verse 8 being Yahweh
then that would show that Yahweh the alpha and Omega is Jesus the Alpha and Omega,
so either way your lies fail you.


You way heap big lie lie antichrist dolphinheart.

jworg:
My friend the truth is that the bible teaches that Jesus is a God even in the book of isaiah 9:6 calls him mighty God and Jehovah's witnesses do not dispute that at any time. But the area of interest is, Is Jesus equal in status to the almighty God? That is were we Jehovah's witnesses say No.. First of all in the book of Isaiah 9:6 i quoted earlier called Jesus a mighty God if Jesus is refered to as Mighty God then who is Almighty (remember comparative and superlative in english language). Secondly Jesus on so many occasion refered to himself as having a father matt 6:9, 10 (he said our father in the heaven which includes himself otherwise he would have said Your father in heaven) on the night he was killed he prayed to a higher God begging that he be spared the agony that was coming to prove the fact that he was talking to a superior he said, "Let not my will but yours take place" . Also in John 14:28 Jesus said that he is going to meet a father and that Father is greater than he is. So please don't get it twisted Jehovah's witnesses do demote Jesus or promote Jesus we preach Jesus exactly for what he is, that is he is our Redeemer, the king of kings enthroned in heaven as king of God's kingdom, the only begotten son of God (John 3:16) and so much more. But one thing we do not accept is that Jesus is same and equal to the almighty God. For more info visit jw. Org got to bible teachings for more answers

mighty God and almighty God is the same one true God
not two god's, Jesus a mighty god, and Yahweh a almighty God as the jehovah's witnesses sect teach

Yahweh is called Almighty:
Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD(Yahweh) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Incidentaly, God Almighty in the above verse is the Word of God-the Lord Jesus Christ,
Father God has never been seen by man.
Joh_6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


Yahweh is called mighty:
Psa_50:1  A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD(Yahweh), hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Jer_32:18  Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

and not just Yahweh is His name, "the LORD of hosts" is also His name as above verse,
I AM was His name before He was known as Yahweh.

@green, that's because you don't believe Jesus and the Bible:
Php_2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.