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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 5:07am On Dec 19, 2016
bro and sol, one of you or maybe both of you have talked before about no man having seen the Father,
and I'm amazed how false jw don't believe all the Bible verses that expose their satanic doctrines.

They obviously must know that they don't believe the Bible, and so know that the god they follow is satan,
they cannot be just mistaken in belief, they must indeed know that they are satans disciples.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 5:03am On Dec 19, 2016
More things that people should know about the jehovah's witnesses sect


The jehovah's witnesses sect teach that Jesus is apoyllon , abaddon,
which means a destroyer.

Jesus is not apollyon, abaddon, a destroyer, satan is.

Jesus said: I am come that they might have life,
Jesus said: the thief(satan) comes to steal, kill and destroy


Joh_10:10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Luk_9:56  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

The jesus of the jehovah's witnesses sect is a destroyer, a murderer, and the father of lies:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
ill show you evidence
look at my post on 4:28pm On Dec 13 then look how it was heavily edited with deliberate removal of scriptures when he quoted that post on 1:33am On Dec 14

the quote below is my post, the parts in red are the parts that was removed so that he could respond


BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW LEVEL YOU AND YOUR BROTHER HAD RESORT TO, YOU HAD TO ALTER MY POST, EDITING OUT A LARGE PART OF IT,(ALL THOSE WRITTEN IN RED)EXPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN SCRIPTURES THAT EXPOSES YOU SO THAT YOU REPLY.
lie lie dolphinheart

as you can see all I wanted to talk about was:
******************************************************

1. your accusing brocab of being a false teacher
2. and your saying bro is full of lies
3. and you saying that you believe there is only one true God
4. Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
*******************************************************


They are the things that you said which I wanted to address and did address

but you lie lie dolphinheart are just once again lying and falsely accusing because it's what you do best.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

and lie lie dolphinheart, I already explained that to you, but you love to lie and falsely accuse over and over again,
it's what you know best, taking after your god.

And you sometimes say: show me where I lie
ha ha how pathetic, you hardly ever stop lying

and antichrist dolphinheart you deny the Lord Jesus Christ often
denying that He is God
denying that he is Yahweh-almighty God who appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
you deny very much of God's word that expose your satanic doctrines

You do however take after your god closely:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:15am On Dec 19, 2016
dolphinheart:
and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lie
I'm sure bro like me could fill posts of all your lies if we wanted to waste the time looking back

one instance you say, OK off the top of my head recently you posted that it's not Jesus talking in certain revelation
verses, I showed you that it indeed was Jesus talking, and of course you could not admit your wrong.

there's one instance lie lie dolphinheart
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:06am On Dec 19, 2016
dolphinheart:
are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?
lie lie dolphinheart, crying again-still

of course I remove much of your confusion from your post
and reply to the things I want to talk about

what a lie lie false accuser
but when you lie you are talking naturally
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
More facts people should know about the jehovah's witnesses sect




The jehovah's witnesses sect claim to be the only channel of God's truth

well we know about channeling don't we, Christianity hears from God,
false jw elders hear from angels, undoubtably fallen angels







The jehovah's witnesses sect claim that Jesus Christ is a created being

From Carm dot org

Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; and there is no savior besides Me."
If there is no savior besides God (Is. 43:11; 45:21), then how can Jesus, a created thing, be the savior?
In what sense is God alone the savior? Simple, only God forgives our sins, and only God provides the provision for our forgiveness through Christ. Yet, Jesus is the Savior who forgives sins and is Himself the provision. How can Jesus then be a created thing?








From Carm dot org

Bible Verses Examined
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am the Lord [YHWH]; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them."
If God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty (Ex. 6:2-3) yet Jesus says that no man has seen the Father at any time (John 6:46), then who were they seeing if it was God Almighty, but not the Father?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:59am On Dec 18, 2016
1Jn 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 

lie lie dolphinheart

you don't believe the Son, you hath not the witness in you

This is just one thing that Jesus said and you don't believe Him:

Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

lie lie dolphinheart, in not believing the Son you call the Father a liar also.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE
It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE.
FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.
Everyone with a functioning truthful brain knows who calls Jesus a liar, and it's not brocab
it's lie lie dolphinheart, you twist all that's said and you are so confused.

This verse alone shows that God of the Old Testament who was seen, is God the Word-Yahweh-God almighty-Jesus Christ
but you lie lie dolphinheart call Jesus Christ a liar by not believing Him.

Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



And Of course the man Jesus died, the Spirit of God did not, and cannot die
Jesus the man died, His Spirit-the Word of God did not die
God is Spirit, God did not die, duh

Even man when he dies, his human spirit doesn't die, but goes back to God who gave it.


You lie lie dolphinheart continually deny Christ and His scriptures(John 6:46 above and so so many others) and are antichrist

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
More facts that people should know about the sect that call themselves jehovah's witnesses

false jw's blaspheme the Word-Jesus Christ-God, saying He is "a god"


Jesus is Yahweh:

Yahweh
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:



Yahweh
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confes that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.




Yahweh
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw preach.




Yahweh
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel

Jesus
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.




Yahweh
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.



Yahweh
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.




yahweh
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



Yahweh
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:20am On Dec 17, 2016
dolphinheart:
it's easy to see that the reason I refused to respond is not about what you said, but your deliberate editing of my post when quoting me, you deliberate removal of the scriptures I quoted shows you know that an attempt to talk about them will expose you.
lie lie dolphinheart

false accuser,

duh, I often quote just the things that I wanted to reply to
I don't often quote your full posts unless they are short ones,
but you love to lie.
If you have scriptures to post addressing the few things that I said
then post them and stop lying and false accusing like your father satan does.

ha ha, stop lying and false accusing, as if you could cheesy

I don't change the scriptures so they don't expose me
but they have exposed you many many times

Scripture shows Father God has never been seen by man
but you clain Yahweh who appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacod is Father God

but the scriptures expose you false jw dolphinheart:


Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God(Father) at any time If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.





Exo 6:2  And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD(Yahweh): 
Exo 6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


the Word said to Moses "I am Yahweh"

the Word said to Moses "I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,

the Word is "Yahweh"

the Word is "God Almighty"
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:33pm On Dec 16, 2016
Emusan:
Let me even shock you, so that you can see how perverted these Jehovah Witnesses are.

Do you know that JWs believed that 1 Timothy 6:16 was talking about Jesus Christhuh

Yet they can still say Jesus Christ is a created being and not God.
you couldn't shock me on the perversion of those antichrist jw's and their followers
who say Jesus is "a god", who say that Jesus was not physically resurrected etc

I have posted Bible verses showing that Father God has never been seen by man,
showing that it was the Word of God-Jesus Christ who was seen by Abraham Isaac and Jacob,
but the perverted ones of course don't believe the Bible and go on blaspheming that the Word is not God.

They will have no excuse for all their satanic teachings when they are about to be thrown into the lake of fire.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:42am On Dec 16, 2016
Father God has never been seen by man:

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God(Father) at any time If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

^^^
also notice that God dwelleth in us, not a power, but God(the Holy Spirit)
Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


 

Whenever God was seen, it was not God the Father, but God the Word-Jesus Christ,
it was not Father God that appeared to Abraham, and to Isaac, and to Jacob,
but it was God the Word-Jesus Christ.

Exo 6:2  And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD(Yahweh): 
Exo 6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

And God the Word said: I am the "LORD",
and God the Word said: I appeared to and was known to Abraham and to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:01am On Dec 16, 2016
dolphinheart:
would have responded with the scriptures, but as long as you edit my post when quoting me, I see no need to do so, when scriptures expose you, you remove it when responding.
lie lie dolphinheart

You cannot help but lie,
if there is something wrong that I said in my post then show it

I said it's you that's the lie lie
I said almighty-mighty God is the one true God
I said Jesus body died, His Spirit(God) did not
I said Jesus is the first and the last
I said mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts cheesy

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.

and I gave some scriptures,
so question me on what I said or continue lying
of course whatever you choose to do it will contain lies, won't it lie lie
you speaking lies, is you speaking naturally


johnw74:
You are not talking about brocab, but about yourself false jw.




no not bro but you, who is full of lies,
almighty-mighty God is the one true God,
you believe He is two gods, a almighty god, and mighty god.





duh, God did not die, His flesh and blood body died,
three day's later the Word(God) raised His flesh body

Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Luk 24:39  Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

^^^
false jw say Jesus body was not raised, but that Jesus was raised a Spirit being,
however Jesus showed that He was not a Spirit being but still flesh and bone.



In Revelation it is Jesus talking through His Angel,
Jesus is "the first and the last".

Yes Jesus was the first resurrected, but that is not the meaning of the first and the last,
the first and the last is the eternal.
The first and the last means he has always existed and always will exist,
the self existent.
Even the verse you posted Rev 2:8 ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
The first and the last became dead, He was the first and the last before He died.
Of course He was always, and always will be, the first and the last.

By the way the man-body died, not the Spirit-God.



mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts cheesy

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:46am On Dec 16, 2016
This verse is just one that shows that the Father has never been seen by man


1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


In the previous two verses to that Jesus calls Father "the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"


1Ti 6:14  That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;


and in Revelation the Lamb - the Word is called "King of kings, and Lord of lords."


Rev 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev 19:16  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


Father is "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"

the Lamb- the Word is "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"

God and the Word is God John 1:1
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
More facts that people should know about the jehovah's witnesses sect

false jw's don't believe that Jesus is God in the flesh,
they believe He is mighty God, and Father is almighty God, two diffrent gods smiley


Jesus said that no one has seen the Father but He:


Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


Paul the apostle when speaking of the Father, said that he "dwells in unapproachable light no man has seen or can see."
 
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.




Therefore, when there are Old Testament accounts of God being seen, they are not God the Father,
it is logical to conclude that all physical appearances of God in the Old Testament are the Word.


We see the Word as He walked in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8


John 8:58. We see Jesus as God Almighty:

Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.



To study the Bible is to study about Jesus, because Jesus said in John 5:39, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me."

the Old Testament testify's about Jesus


Exo 6:2  And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD(Yahweh): 
Exo 6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

And God the Word said: I am the "LORD"(Yahweh),
and God the Word said that He appeared to and was known to Abraham and to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is It Impossible For Prophet TB Joshua To Use Demonic Power To Do Healing by johnw74: 1:58am On Dec 15, 2016
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:46am On Dec 15, 2016
brocab:
This is the best page you have written. And it makes sense, where your mind is at.
now come on bro show some respect for the dead smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:45am On Dec 15, 2016
More facts that people should know about false jw

antichrist jw don't believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ

false jw are aligned with the mainline Jewish and Islamic faiths of today (to say nothing of other world religions and apostate "Christian" cults and sects who deny the physical resurrection of Jesus and His Deity) and are all under that spirit of antichrist.

kjvbible dot org/daniel.html

^^^
Change (kjvbible dot org) to (kjvbible.org)
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:16am On Dec 15, 2016
More facts that people should know about false jw

false jw don't believe the Holy Spirit is God

The Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, has a will, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).

Some cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is false. If the Holy Spirit were merely a force, then He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph. 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor. 12:11).

The truth is that the Holy Spirit is a person the same as the Father and the Son are within the Trinity.

carm dot org/holy-spirit

^^^
change (carm dot org) to (carm.org)
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 5:37am On Dec 14, 2016
Christians can trust the Bible and hence get understanding,
non believers like false jw who don't trust the Bible and change what it says,
of course can never have understanding.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
will point you out as a false teacher
You are not talking about brocab, but about yourself false jw.


dolphinheart:
You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God,
no not bro but you, who is full of lies,
almighty-mighty God is the one true God,
you believe He is two gods, a almighty god, and mighty god.



dolphinheart:
Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!
duh, God did not die, His flesh and blood body died,
three day's later the Word(God) raised His flesh body

Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Luk 24:39  Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

^^^
false jw say Jesus body was not raised, but that Jesus was raised a Spirit being,
however Jesus showed that He was not a Spirit being but still flesh and bone.

dolphinheart:
If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
In Revelation it is Jesus talking through His Angel,
Jesus is "the first and the last".

Yes Jesus was the first resurrected, but that is not the meaning of the first and the last,
the first and the last is the eternal.
The first and the last means he has always existed and always will exist,
the self existent.
Even the verse you posted Rev 2:8 ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
The first and the last became dead, He was the first and the last before He died.
Of course He was always, and always will be, the first and the last.

By the way the man-body died, not the Spirit-God.



mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts cheesy

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is It Impossible For Prophet TB Joshua To Use Demonic Power To Do Healing by johnw74: 12:11pm On Dec 13, 2016
Aaron turning moses staff into a serpent
was a miracle of God
pharaoh's sorcerers turning their staffs
into serpents was satanic magic
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is It Impossible For Prophet TB Joshua To Use Demonic Power To Do Healing by johnw74:
JMAN05:
Jesus was not addressing pastors in that verse, rather, he was making a prophesy of what we are to see in these last days.

These prophets that he spoke of was called "false prophets" in verse 15. As such, he was not addressing it to pastors, but as to what will happen among people who claim to represent him.
hey phony,

Jesus describes false jw very well in that verse:

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 

false jw have given many false prophecies, as most know
false jw come to people like lambs, talking gently etc.

but inwardly are ravening wolves:

preaching that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "a god" contrary to Bible verses

preaching that Yahweh is almighty God,and that Jesus is mighty God
not knowing that "almighty" and "mighty" are just two words describing the one true God,
as the Bible also shows

preaching that Jesus Christ's body was not resurrected,
the Bible shows that satanic claim to be wrong also.

Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits.....
Christianity EtcRe: Uncountable Problems Of King James Version of the Bible by johnw74: 1:31am On Dec 13, 2016
johnydon22:
Op do you know that King James was a Bisexual when he was alive? smiley
What was he after he died? smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 5:23am On Dec 12, 2016
1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

false jw say "Lord" "kurios" in the new Testament is Yahweh,
but they cannot say like in that verse that Jesus is Yahweh,
antichrist jw contradict themselves all over the place.

Christians can easily say "Jesus is "Lord"
Christians can easily say "Jesus is "Yahweh"
Christians can easily say "Jesus is "God"

The diffrence is as the verse shows, that Christians have God living in them.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:41am On Dec 12, 2016
Isa 45:21  Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 
Isa 45:22  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 
Isa 45:23  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 
Isa 45:24  Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 
Isa 45:25  In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.


Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isa 45:23 unto Yahweh, every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear
Php 2:10 at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, every tongue should confess

Yahweh is Jesus


Also, false jw say that wherever Lord(kurios) is used in the new testament that it is Yahweh
so using false jw's measuring stick we have in Php 2:11 Jesus Christ is Lord(Yahweh)
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:57pm On Dec 11, 2016
Bro, that video from ex jw's really shows just how evil false jw's are.
satans church without a doubt, not his only one mind you
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
More facts that people should know about false jw

false jw falsely say: the Word is "a god"[end quote]


Father and Son is the true God

1Jn 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 

We are in Him that is true(the Father)

even in His Son Jesus Christ

This is the true God and eternal life


We are in the Father, we are in the Son
The Father and the Son is the true God and eternal life

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 




Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 

Who purchased the church of God with His own blood?
the Holy Spirit or God? take your pick, for the Holy Spirit is God
and God of course is God

Act 13:2  As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 

the Holy Spirit "said", He is a being, He is God

who calls Christians to work? God does, the Holy Spirit






Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one

Joh 14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

let us make man = so God created man

in our image = in his own image, in the image of God

us = God

we will come unto him and make our abode with him = God and the Word = God.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:58am On Dec 10, 2016
Joh 1:5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:18am On Dec 07, 2016
More facts that people should know about false jw

false jw falsely say: Jesus body was not resurrected

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 
Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body. 
Joh 2:22  When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

verse 22, when Jesus was risen from the dead, His Disciples remembered Jesus saying
"Destroy this temple(body), and in three days I will raise it up"
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
every now and then some Fatty comes into a thread claiming not to be a JW
but it soon becomes obvious from their beliefs that the Fatty is indeed Jw

Fatty is just taking after his father and god satan, in lying and deceiving,
as his father and god taught Fatty to do.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Of course it could be that the Fatty's just hate Christians so much that they join in with anyone who is against them and the Truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
^^^

I don't know how anyone would waste time trying to tell such a Bible rejecter and God mocker and confused Fatty
and stalker anything. smiley

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