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Jesus also is called the Almighty

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus also is called mighty God:

Isa_9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is also called The everlasting Father, and he is also called counsellor(the Holy Spirit)
and the reason He can be called these is because
God = Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit
Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit = God

the blind cannot know these things, but we know.

Jer_32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,
^^^
the LORD of hosts, is His name

the YAHWEH of hosts, is His name

the God of hosts, is His name


LORD, YAHWEH, and GOD, can be used interchangeably
because they mean the same thing.


YAHWEH means LORD as sol or bro has shown
YAHWEH means God as I have shown

who would have thought anyone would have to be shown that

solite3:
do you agree that Jehovah is the only true God? Is Jesus a true God or not?

Remember Jesus also called himself the beginning and the ending and the Almighty.

You are right sol, acho is delusional, like false jw he thinks almighty God and mighty God are two diffrent God's.


Yahweh is almighty God:

Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.



Yahweh is mighty God:

Deu_7:21  Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Psa_50:1  A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Jer_32:18  Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

solite3:
yah he is delusional

yah another confused one

brocab:
Only because He/she is Fat-and I'm not interested in Fatty's.

ha ha, you have probably noticed, I'm not interested in Fatty's either.

bro,
acho is stalking solite now

brocab:
Just like the JW's, they believe in a crooked cult, that only they, that believe.
Yes i just ask God for the answers, through prayer is a good start-even through Word-reading His truth-His bible truth{Not your truth} is a good start.
But in your case, you would rather search else where other then believing there is a God that shows us believers the truth about Himself.

bro,
lie lie dolphinheart and other false jw's don't know anything about
talking to God-Prayer, they don't know that the Holy Spirit in
Christians is God,
they know what they are told to believe from elders and reading witchpower magazine

And they do know that these verses talk of them and their god:
sarang and badnews


2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Sarang:
Maybe they are not seeing this.The head of the Christ is God

false jw sarang

God is the head of Jesus, Jesus lowered Himself and became man
before that when He was with God in Heaven, He-the Word considered Himself to be equal with God

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 

the Word was in the form of God, He was identical to God as also other verses show
the Word considered Himself equal to God, because he was God

God and the Word is God, two persons, one God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

plus all the verses I have posted showing the same.



false jw believe in two gods a mighty god and a almighty god

ha ha, mighty God and almighty God are terms used for the one True God.

Sarang:
That made him a god.

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mar_12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

1Th_1:9  For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

verse 24, God is a Spirit, one Spirit,
verse 29, God is one Lord, meaning one God
verse 9, God is the true God


There is only one True God


and so your jesus antichrist sarang is a false jesus, he is "a god" as you call him

you have two false god's, a mighty god, and a almighty god.

Sarang:
Song of Solomon 8:6 Place me as a seal upon your heart,As a seal upon your arm,For love is as strong as death is,And exclusive devotion is as unyielding as the Grave. Its flames are a blazing fire, the flame of Jah.

7 Surging waters cannot extinguish love,Nor can rivers wash it away.

Read your bible

false jw sarang because Soloman said Love is as strong as death
does not mean death is something to be desired or that it is equal to Love

however you continue to have death as being important to you,
and it is since it's in your personal text

it is not important to Christians, but it is to you and it is to radical islam

Pro_8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death

Psa_22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.....

You can be with death there in the Lake of Fire,
death will have it's end as you will,
but Love endures forever



And I say to you antichrist sarang, don't only just read the Bible but believe it
However you do neither, you read and believe your corrupted nwt book
but mostly you read the witchpower magazine where you are told what to believe

Read and believe these Bible Truths for starters
read and believe that it is Jesus talking:

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 

Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. 

Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 

Rev 3:1  And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.




Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.



Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 






Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Revelation is the testimony of Jesus, from start to finish.

Sarang:
Your problem is just that you cannot bring your own reasoning and lay down just to be criticizing others.

Ataya for u

Sarang:
This seems to be the only scripture part you know

antichrist sarang

typical nonsense from you pharisee jw

and of course I can and have posted many more scriptures than those two that speak of false jw:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

but you false jw love to lie

Here is a few more that speaks of false jw:


2Co 11:4  For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,....

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

^^^
those in peters day are the same as today's false jw,
false prophets, false teachers, damnable heresies, denying the Lord,
I couldn't describe false jw any better than Peter did

Sarang:
Jesus is the christ we never deny him.
Jehovah is his father as well.

I don't just understand u. Abeg try reason like person nah

you false jw's cannot help but lie

you false jw sarang said it was not Jesus speaking in some of those Alpha Omega verses.


The testimony of revelation is the testimony of Jesus, no one else was speaking in those verses except John who called Jesus "the Almighty".


Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

^^^
It is Jesus talking to the Churches through His Angel
Revelation is the testimony of Christianity's Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
who antichrist false jw deny, you deny Christ and you deny the Bible,
you hate Jesus-Alpha and Omega, and love your false jesus- a god, a angel, you have not the Father also.


You say you never deny Jesus, but of course you false jw continue to lie,
you antichrist jw's constantly deny Christ, you yourself said in a previous post that one or more of the verses I posted is not Jesus talking, you deny that He is Alpha and Omega and you also deny the Bible that shows He is







Love Is as Strong as Death Is.


Your personal text is ridiculous

God is Love

you say Love is as strong as death

radical islam might agree with you
they say "we love death"

Pro_8:36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


lie lie dolphinheart got emotionally upset when I told him that he hates Jesus,
he of course falsely accused me of lying against him.
Truly if you deny Jesus, and lie lie dolphinheart does, as you false jw sarang do, and as all antichrist jw's do, then you hate Jesus,
just like your fore fathers the pharisees did,
you fool yourselves.



Love is as strong as death is, ha

Psa_22:15  My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.


Love couldn't be cast into the Lake of Fire
but death and it's lovers will be

Rev_20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.....


death will cease to be
but Love endures forever

your pesonal text is typical of false jw rot



false jw sarang post the verses you claim are not Jesus speaking
and I will show you again that you are antichrist in denying the Lord Jesus Christ
and the Bible, and that lying is what you know best

Barristter07:
Solite3




" And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

John 20:30-31


From the verse above was everything including Thomas statement written to belive Jesus is Almighty God ? Or to belive he is the Son of God ? Sincerely answer that.

lie lie barrisster

you believe verse 31 that says Jesus is the Son of God
and you reject verses 28-29 that shows Jesus is Lord and God

Christians believe all of God's word.


Joh 20:27  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 
Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 
Joh 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 
Joh 20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. 

verse 28 Thomas said: My Lord and my God.
verse 29 but Jesus not only never rebuked Thomas but confirmed that He is Lord and God saying: Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed


Thomas said: My Lord and my God.
Jesus said: Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed
Jesus confirmed to Thomas that He is Lord and God

Barristter07:
Kindly read the bold , this was written to make a true Christian belive Christ is the SON of God , if Jesus is then the Almighty God , is Jesus the son of himself ?

duh, what confusion,
God, is God and the Word, Jesus is the son of the Father, duh again,
both are almighty God, there is only one true God
not two as false jw preach, a mighty and a almighty god
but you lie lie barrisster don't believe the Truth, but believe the changes
witchpower magazine has made to it's corrupted nwt book

dolphinheart:
We all know who jesus is,

you false jw definately don't know who Jesus is

dolphinheart:
jesus is not almighty God, he is the son of the almighty God,

there is only one Almighty God, and God and the Word is that Almighty God, John 1:1 and more
and you don't believe scripture that shows Father and Son is God,
you can only understand how things are in this your world, and you think the Holy Spirit is not God,
so how could you know any truth, and it's obvious that you don't

dolphinheart:
a different person from the almighty God,

antichrist dolphinheart cannot stop lying against Christ,
Jesus is a diffrent persom from the Father, not a diffrent person from the Almighty God,
who is God and the Word


of course false jw believes in two gods
a mighty god and a almighty god

However the Christian mighty-almighty God is the one true God.

solite3:
it does not make him a real God.

christians do not recognise satan as God only blind men do.

dolphinheart:
So the person who called satan "theos" of these world is a blind man , continue!

solite3 said referring to satan being called theos-God: "it does not make him a real God."
solite also said: "christians do not recognise satan as God"

you lie lie dolphinheart opposed what solite said,
meaning you lie lie dolphinheart does not agree with sol that satan is not a real God,
and you do not agree with sol that christians don't recognise satan as God

so obviously to you false jw dolphinheart, satan is God

and you call the Word "a god"

to us satan is "a god" and the Word "is God"

antichrist lie lie dolphinheart, such evil you spew

dolphinheart:
John says the word was with God, the word cannot be with God and still be that same God he was with!,

of course one of the troubles with you lie lie dolphinheart is that you don't believe the Bible

the Word was with God and was God
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God here is "elohiym" which is plural, referring to God and Wisdom-the Word
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God(elohiym) created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

verse 27, God created man = let us make man, verse 26

verse 27, in the image of God = in our image, verse 26


 

Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

How could the Word of God be anything but God, the Word could only be called "a god" if He came from "a god"
the Word became flesh
you lie lie call the word of God "a god", you have not the Son or the Father

LORD of LORDS, means there is no LORD above the Word-Jesus Christ
Rev 19:16  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
^^^ of course the Word is God. 

 

dolphinheart:
You quoted some scriptures but none of them said
jesus is God almighty

but in one of them John called Jesus "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 

Rev 2:8  And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 


Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



In 2:8 Jesus-which was dead, and is alive; is called the first and the last,

In 22:13 the first and the last, is the beginning and the end,

In 1:8 the beginning and the ending, who is Jesus, said He is Alpha and Omega,
John called Him "the Almighty"


Revelation is the testimony of the Word-Jesus Christ, not the testimony of the Father  

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 

lie lie dolphinheart, you are blinded all over the place

lie lie dolphinheart:

johnw74:
but you can find in Revelation 1:8 that
Jesus is called "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

dolphinheart:
No I can't find it there, even from the wrong translation that you quoted.

see how you have been blinded,
and only an antichrist would call KJV a wrong translation.

dolphinheart:
That verse is referring to jehovah, who had said he is God almighty. I've told you to read rev 1:1-6 to understand better, but you refuse, you refuse cus it exposes your teachings as false. If you read verses 4-6 carefully you'll see that the one who was, who is and who is to come cannot be jesus, it was God who gave jesus the revelation!.

how great a blindness,
revelation is the testimony of the word-Jesus Christ, not the testimony of the Father, read verses 1-2 again

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

false accuser dolphinheart I have read rev 1:1-6, but to you lying and accusing is just speaking naturally
like your god satan does
and of course you cannot understand rev 1-6 you have been blinded, you think Revelation is the testimony of the Father

dolphinheart:
your forefathers know these , so they had to add some words to verse 8, the verse reads in other translations : "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

my forefathers done a good job with the KJV
antichrists like you opposing it just show how good a job they done

I have no problem with your posted translation either
verse 8 refers of course to the Word-Jesus Christ who is Lord God, the Almighty as I showed you
and will show you again


The testimony of the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ,....not the testimony of the Father

Rev_2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Jesus is the one "which was dead and is alive"
It is Jesus talking, saying: "these things saith the first and the last which was dead and is alive"
Jesus is "the first and the last"



Jesus-The first and the last is Alpha and Omega:

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Again it is Jesus-the first and the last speaking:

Rev_1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:


Again it is Jesus-the first and the last, He is also "the beginning and the ending":

Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



It certinally is Jesus "Alpha and Omega", "the first and the last", "the beginning and the ending", that John called "the Almighty":

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


you lie lie dolphinheart deny the Son, and are antichrist

you lie lie dolphinheart deny God's inspired written word and are apostate

you lie lie dolphinheart have chosen the Lake of Fire.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

lie lie dolphinheart

of course you called satan "God"
and of course you called the Word "a god"

but you copy cat false accuser love to lie with your twisting of many words

satan
G4567
Σατανᾶς
Satanas
sat-an-as'
Of Chaldee origin corresponding to G4566 (with the definite article affixed); the accuser, that is, the devil: - Satan.
Total KJV occurrences: 36


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

dolphinheart:
no where in John 1:1 can you find" jesus is God allmighty"

but you can find in Revelation 1:8 that
Jesus is called "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 

dolphinheart:
So the person who called satan "theos" of these world is a blind man , continue!

satan is the god of this world, he is not God,
he is "a god" "a false god"

only a false jw would need that explained to him

and of course he-satan is the god of false jw

lie lie dolphinheart calls satan "God" and
lie lie dolphinheart calls the Word "a god"

they don't come more evil than that

solite3:
it does not make him a real God.

christians do not recognise satan as God only blind men do.

antichrist false jw dolphinheart argues against solite3 claim that satan is not God.

lie lie dolphinheart hates Jesus, taking every opportunity to try and show that he is not God
and rejecting all the Bible verses that show He is.

antichrist false jw dolphinheart not only doesn't reject that satan is God,
he argues to try and show that he is.

lie lie dolphinheart rejects that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is God
and accepts that satan is God

false jw say they are Christians, but are not and do lie, they are the church of satan.

More facts people should know about false jw


false jw teach falsely of course that Jesus body was not resurrected

Jesus raised Himself,
Jesus said He will raise up His Temple-body in three days:
Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

And Jesus was clearly speaking about the Temple being His body:
Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

1Co 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


 
God raised Jesus:
Act 2:32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 

So apart from Jesus showing that, if killed, He will raise His body in three days,
these verses are just some more verses that also show, that Jesus and God is God,
just like many other verses I have posted show

Jesus raised Himself,(John 2:19)
God raised Jesus, (Acts 2:32)

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

dolphinheart:
(1)
King James Version
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

We all know that a man and a woman are two different persons, the verse says the man is the head of a woman, the woman here cannot be the man, neither can the man be the woman, how come some now feel that the christ in this verse is also God?
God is the head of christ how can God now be christ that he is the head of!

analyse this with what 1Co 15:27, 28 says.

(2)
in isaiahs prophecy, jehovah is talking about the Messiah, he said this :

King James Version
Isa 42:1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

We all know that Jehovah was talking about the Messiah , the fulfilment of those prophecies and who jehovah is reffering to can be found in the following verses: luke 9:35, 2Pe 1:17 and Matthew 3:16
How come some feel that jehovah is the messiah, why do some feel that Jehovah was talking about himself as his own servant?

(3)
King James Version
1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The verse says God sent his only begotten son, it did not say God sent himself!
Now the question is , did God send himself? If no is the answer , why is it that some feel that the one who was sent is also the one who did the sending.
modified:
johnw74, can you give your understanding of the scriptures mentioned above?

dolphinheart:
1. And when I ask you those things of the spirit, you will run, claiming you are not hear to say such.
2. There is a post above yours,(I'll modify it and ado you moniker) can you explain the scriptures their? I don't think so!
3. John 1:1 says : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
the word was with God, the word cannot be the God he was with!.



It has been shown to you several times how your for fathers tried to change words in the scriptures to support their false doctrines, the word for God, colored red above cannot be found in the scriptures.
Below is the true rendering of that part of 1 ti 3:16:

[b]New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning! 
reigning! 

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory. 

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.[/b]

Go and study the verse, search to see which translation is true, is the Greek word in that verse "he" or "God".
I know you wunt do such study and if you do , you will not post the result, for it will tell you that the greek word for God which is "thoes" cannot be foundisplayed in that verse, so where did your translation get the word for "god" that it used in that verse from .


The issue of 1 ti 3:16 has shown how deep false teachers had gone in trying to alter the original words of the authors, they have seen that no the scriptures do not directly support them, they initially relied on derived analogy, on perceived similarities ,while trying not to mention the differences. since all these will not work, they decided to alter certain words in the scriptures .
Rev 1:8 is another example, adding words to the scriptures , not knowing that better manuscripts are kept hidden from their powers.



Jesus is a god, a mighty one, even angels are gods , but Jesus is not almighty God, he is a son to the almighty God, a subject who remaims subjected to the almighty God, he is at the right side of God, the almighty God, the most high, the supreme being, Jesus is not the most high he is at the right side of.
Jesus is not the God that exalted him
Jesus is not the God that raised him
Jesus is not the most high he pleads on our behalf from
Jesus is not the almighty God.

Jesus is the son of God
1Jo 4:9By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.[/u]

Jesus is son of the most high
[b]King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Jesus is at the right hand of God, he does not sit on the throne of God
[b]Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God..

Heb 10:12But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God,

Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

1Pe 3:22 He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.

Ac 2:33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear[/u]


Jesus is subjected to God.
1Co 15:27For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

Jesus has a God he calls "my God" both here on earth and in heaven!
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.[/u]


Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, [b]God with us.



you are now trying to predict my response, wow! 

johnw74, it is always good to study the Bible, it is also good to make sure of what the Bible you are quoting is really saying.

is it the blood of God that was used for our purchasing or the blood of Jesus.?

King James Version
1Jo 1:5-7 :This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ HIS SON cleanseth us from all sin.

Does act 20: 28 now indicate Jesus is the God in 1 john 1:5 ? no ooooo!
Jesus is the son of God , gods own Son,.

The footnote of some Translations read 
(NIV)
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Many manuscripts of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own son

(ESV) 
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Some manuscripts of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own son

acts 20:28 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Other ancient authorities read of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 [/color=blue]Greek with the blood of his Own or with his own blood[/color]

acts 20:28 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Other ancient authorities read of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with his own blood ; Gk with the blood of of his own.

when you read the scriptures you understand better. You will know if God did send his son or if he sent himself to be a man.
[b]King James Version
Re 1:5,6 - And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us,and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I sincerely pray that you read and respond to this scriptures I've posted to you.
GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF TO DIE, GOD CANNOT DIE, HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO SHED HIS BLOOD ON OUR BEHALF. GOD GAVE HIS SON , NOT HIMSELF!!
JESUS DIED, GOD CANNOT DIE.



readers can check this out: onlytruegod dot org/defense/acts20.28


1 cor 15:47
New International Version
The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

English Standard Version
The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

New American Standard Bible 
The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

International Standard Version
The first man came from the dust of the earth; the second man came from heaven.

A look at the Greek text shows that the Greek word for "Lord" cannot be found in that verse.

ὁ[b]πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος ἐκ γῆς χοϊκός, ὁ δεύτερος ἄνθρωπος ἐξ οὐρανοῦ.[/b]

IT IS NOT GOOD TO SPREAD FALSE TRANSLATIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES!

^^^ @ red
No it's not, and yet that's what you do, often



lie lie dolphinheart

of course the usual lies, and false accusing, with no true knowledge or understanding
which is so obvious to all but false jw


run away from you, ha ha, you don't understand or believe many scriptures, and one without the Spirit such as you cannot be shown Truth,
you have been blinded to the truth

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I will however keep showing up some of your lies as I glance through the posts, such as you lying, saying that those Alpha and Omega scriptures are not Jesus talking

you lie all over the place, and then you often say, show me where I lied

and talk about running away, everytime I show you to be wrong, which is very often, you run away and change the subject

dolphinheart you big false jw lie lie

2Jn_1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The Word-Jesus is God, as many Bible verses show,

God came in the flesh


false jw's deny that God came in the flesh,
false jw deny the Bible verses that show He did

antichrist jw say "a god" "a angel" came in the flesh


false jw deny at every opportunity that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is God

false jw deny every Bible scripture showing that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is God


false jw's preach constantly against their common enemy, denying: our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Whoever denyeth the Son have not the Father also

false jw deny the Son is God
and false jw deny the Bible scriptures that show so

lie lie dolphinheart

you can only understand things of the flesh,
things of this world,
and not things of the Spirit.


And apart from that you don't believe the Bible that shows
the Word is God.

you don't understand
and you don't believe
double whammy



You lie lie dolphinheart don't know that God and the Word is God
two persons one God

and you lie lie don't believe the Bible which says so:




Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



More on God being manifest in the flesh:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


More on Jesus is God:
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
"Lord" in that verse is "kurios" meaning supreme in authority, God.
and who other than God is supreme in authority?

dolphinheart:
I don't think I ever asked you to reply to all post , but it's good to help your brother out if he's taking the wrong part.
For a while you have been attacking my believes , but your brother has a wrong belief and you keep quiet!

does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

lie lie dolphinheart


you have yet again become unstable,

and again, I don't reply to all posts
and again, don't worry about bro, unlike you he knows God.

dolphinheart:
does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

dolphinheart:
does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

dolphinheart:
Good that you once again state that Satan is the god of these world

lie lie dolphinheart you have again become unstable, go lay down

and again, I told you that satan is the god of this world
you appeared to think it was yahweh

dolphinheart:
Good that you once again state that Satan is the god of these world

dolphinheart:
good you agreed that Satan is a god, a "thoes".

Sarang:
The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus.

Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”

lie lie sarang


Rev_2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Jesus is the one "which was dead and is alive"
It is Jesus talking, saying: "these things saith the first and the last which was dead and is alive"
Jesus is "the first and the last"



Jesus-The first and the last is Alpha and Omega:

Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Again it is Jesus-the first and the last speaking:

Rev_1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:


Again it is Jesus-the first and the last, He is also "the beginning and the ending":

Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



It certinally is Jesus "Alpha and Omega", "the first and the last", "the beginning and the ending", that John called "the Almighty":

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


you lie lie sarang deny the Son, and are antichrist

you lie lie sarang deny God's inspired written word and are apostate

you lie lie sarang have chosen the Lake of Fire.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Sarang:
Is Jesus the Almighty?

Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”— John 14:28

Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.”
Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position if he is the most superior ? —Philippians 2:9.

The title’s application to Jehovah God is made obvious at Revelation 19:6 by the use of the expression Hallelujah (Praise Jah, you people!). Likewise, the expression “the One who is and who was and who is coming” (Re 1:8; 4: clearly points to the God of eternity who not only “was” the Almighty in ancient times but continues to be so and “is coming” as such with an expression of his all-powerfulness
(Ps 90:2),

of course you false jw sarang deny Jesus is God, you are antichrist denying the Son.
and of course you lie lie sarang don't believe the bible and the verses I have given showing that Jesus is Alpha and Omega
the Almighty.
I will give them again in my next post so you will have no excuse when you are about to be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Sarang:
You are right. I haven't seen one.
Reason logically and scripturally like he is.

of course false jw sarang is truly blinded and cannot stop lying

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Sarang:
At the bolded.. when there is both in a sentence..it is plural.

In other words,both are Gods

And this contradicts the scriptures.
What is hard to understand here? That the word is divine,a god,strong and mighty?

You like lie lie dolphinheart cannot help but lie
no where does scripture say God and the Word are gods
neither did I say God and the Word are god's
but you false jw say they are gods, you lie yet again

and you lie again saying that the Word is "a god" after I have shown from the Bible that Jesus is Alpha and Omega, the Almightry

you are antichrist denying the Son

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

brocab:
Jozzy4 and Dolphinheart are on drugs, If One needed blood, would the other give the blood-two common enemies with the same nature.

We are told not to eat blood, is all
but false jw leaders have said through witchpower magazine
that you are not to give blood tranfusions,
and false jw believe what men tell them

men told them many prophecies that failed, still false jw believe men
men told them Jesus is "a god", still false jw believe men
men told them Jesus wasn't bodily resurrected, still false jw believe men
and on and on,
they believe men and not God.


Test the Spirits
1Jn 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 
1Jn 4:2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 
1Jn 4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Greater is ("he") the Lofty God that is in us Christians, than ("he") the teenie weenie fairy satan that is in the world-false jw
that is false jw's god, the god of this world, satan
 
1Jn 4:5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 
1Jn 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Jozzy4:
pathetic you don't know what true love spoken about in John 13:34,35 is all about

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

What false jw have for one another is not love,
it is self righteous hypocrisy, as below:

Jozzy4:
lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,


Good work bro . thumbs up


I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

dolphinheart:
yo are right , thanks and amen.

of course apart from you false jw jozzy and you lie lie dolphinheart being self righteous hypocrites,
accusing bro and myself of doing precisely what you are doing, even in those two posts

You are also of course taking after your father satan in being demonic,
claiming that bro and I come together because we, like herod and pilate, see Jesus as a common enemy

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

false jw jozz and lie lie dolph, just like your god satan, there is no truth in you.

Talk about having a common enemy in Jesus, you certainly do,
you change God's word to say the Word is "a god",
you say Alpha and Omega is not Jesus
everywhere where Jesus is shown to be God, you reject it
You reject Jesus and you reject the Bible
Your jesus who is "a god' "a angel" is a false jesus


You reject Jesus, He is your common enemy

Now that's the truth.

Sarang:
Literally it is impossible to be someone and be with that person. No two people are one. The idea itself is preposterous. And Jesus knows that.

More lies from false jw:

You can only see things from an earthly perspective
however, God and the Word are two persons, they are the one God

In the beginning the Word was with God, and both are God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 

It's established that the Word is God, verse 1, and many other verses I have posted even recently here in this thread
and which antichrist false jw don't believe.
verse 2 again showing that the Word(God) is with God

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 

The word for God in Gen 1:1 is "elohiym" which is plural:
God and the Word(God), two persons, one God

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said Let us make man in our image verse 26  
God created man in His own image, verse 27, in the image of God

God said let us make man in our image(God and the Word), in His own image, in the image of God

again, God is: God and the Word(God)

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

The LORD(God) possessed Wisdom-the Word(God) before creation


but you a sectarian false jw cannot know or understand these Bible truths