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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:51am On Nov 27, 2016

Sarang:
To his disciples Jesus is also a Stronger,a master and it is not unusual if they refer to him as our lord. Jesus is mighty in power too..
But no where in the bible was he referred to as the ALMIGHTY. Jehovah is almighty ALONE.

that's a lie false jw,
John called our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, "the Almighty":

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

If you haven't been able to see from my posts over the last few pages that this is Jesus talking
and John calling Jesus "the Almighty", then as I said you are as truly blinded as lie lie dolphinheart

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:47am On Nov 27, 2016*

Sarang:
Even calling someone a lier without proof is lying

You haven't seen all his lies that I have exposed?
you are truly as blinded as he is

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I will expose some of your lies as well

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:29pm On Nov 26, 2016

dolphinheart:
does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

I'm not talking about jesus is God in the flesh, I'm talking about proverbs 8 :22-30 .

lie lie dolphinheart

I have already told you, I neither read or reply to all posts,
don't keep crying over what I do, or don't do
it's making you unwell,

and don't worry about bro, unlike you he knows God

calm down be well

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:23pm On Nov 26, 2016

dolphinheart:
good you agreed that Satan is a god, a "thoes".

I know you love the fact that satan is the god of this world,
as he is your god.

But you are in that area of mental instability again where you repeat the same posts over and over again.

Relax

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:53am On Nov 26, 2016

solite3:
False witness look here

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

thomas said the truth the only problem with thomas was that he took too much time for him to recognise Jesus.

Even the pharisee knew Jesus was making himself God hence wanted to take him out.

Demons recognise Jesus as the Son of God, do you reject it because they are devils so why will you reject what the pharisee thought about Jesus making himself God when Jesus reaction supported it too?

Why will you reject thomas words because he doubted?
There is no truth in you!

Yes, Thomas called Jesus: "my Lord" and "my God"
and Jesus affirmed it to Thomas saying: "because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed"

Jesus has shown many times in the NT that He is God, the blinded of course cannot see it.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:47pm On Nov 25, 2016*

More facts you should about false jw

Are Jehovah Witnesses Christian?

By David J. Stewart

NO!!!!! The Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) go door-to-door, want you to do “book” studies with them, and teach doctrines not in line with the Bible. They are persistent and well trained by the Watchtower Organization based in New York city. Are the Jehovah's Witnesses Christian? No, not any any sense of the term.

JW's deny several fundamental doctrines of the Bible, including the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ, the bodily resurrection of Christ, His bodily return, the Millennial reign of Christ, the Holy Spirit, et cetera. JW's deny a literal Hell and teach that hell (Sheol in the Old Testament) merely refers to the grave. However, Psalm 9:17 plainly states that the wicked shall be turned into Hell. If the righteous and the wicked go to the same place, then Psalm 9:17 would make no sense at all. Clearly, the righteous and the wicked go to different places upon death.

JW's teach that Michael the archangel became Jesus. They try to steer away from this doctrine because it is one of the topics that can be used to show prospective JW's the fallacy of their religion. Most people have a problem with the idea that Michael and Jesus are the same person, and rightfully so, because it is a lie of the Devil.

JW's teach that Jesus is “a god,” but not almighty God. Jesus plainly claimed in Revelation 1:8 to be “the almighty.” John 10:33 evidences that Jesus taught men that He is God. By the way, I only use the trustworthy King James Bible. JW founder, Charles Taze Russell, wrote his own corrupt Bible titled, the New World Translation. How more obvious could it be that the JW religion was created as part of the New World Order's exploitation of religion to lead the masses into a one-world religion and global government?

[url=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw-exposed.htm]continue reading here[/url]

there are many links there relevant to the OP, on facts you should know about false jw

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:55am On Nov 25, 2016

[size=18pt]Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.[/size]

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:17am On Nov 25, 2016

akintom:
Are you by any insinuation, saying JW is a satanic organization?

if the shoe fits.

false jw go to great lengths to try and show that Our Lord Jesus Christ is not God
rejecting Bible verses that show He is:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

More on God being manifest in the flesh:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

More on Jesus is God:
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
"Lord" in that verse is "kurios" meaning supreme in authority, God.
who other than God is supreme in authority?

With false jw rejecting the Word being God, and false jw rejecting Bible verses showing that the Word-our Lord Jesus Christ is God,
ummm, satanic organization does seem to fit, but in my opinion satanic organization definitely fits.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:40pm On Nov 24, 2016

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."(The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)
Conclusion

The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expands its grip into the lives of its members and their families.

It is a non-Christian cult.

link: carm dot org

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:39pm On Nov 24, 2016

More facts people should know about false jw

Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

by Matt Slick
12/05/08

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.

Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness' chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ but also challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness' rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization.

link: carm dot org

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:05pm On Nov 24, 2016

dolphinheart:
brothers tend to advise each other in case one sees that the other has gone astray when it comes to certain , as a Christian, it will be good to find out what your brother believes about proverbs 8: 22-30, check if such beliefs are right or wrong and endeavor to correct such ones.

I can bet it with you, that even if I, dolphinheart, beliefs in something or teaches something which is wrong on this thread, someone who is my brother will come on this same thread and correct me with evidence, I will examine such evidence and apologize .
But o.y.o is your case , your brother can believe in something different from yours and you will not respond as long as you both have same common enemy!

your fight is not from the scriptures , for the scriptures teaches that Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of Jesus, they are not same person or same being for Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, pleading to God on our behalf.
GOD GOES NOT PLEAD TO HIMSELF , JESUS PLEADS ON OUR BEHALF TO HIS GOD, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HIGH GOD.

lie lie dolphinheart

bro has God given Faith, he knows that our Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh

I post to you to show up some of your lies, because you are such a big lie lie
and belonging to the church of satan, I just like to do it

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:55pm On Nov 24, 2016

dolphinheart:
good , you are learning, so the god(theos) of this world is Satan.

what a lie lie, I told you that, you love to lie

dolphinheart:
Therefore Satan is a "thoes",

satan is a god, a false god, just like you say the Word-Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is.

dolphinheart:
or Satan is "theos"

no confused one satan is not God, but he is your god.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:47pm On Nov 24, 2016*

dolphinheart:
You have deliberately removed parts of my post so as to try and hide the truth, you are good at removing scriptures from ones post cus it exposes you.
read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

[b]2. You have added words to the verse rev 1: 8 reads :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful!

American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

The translations of Rev 1:8 above shows their is a big difference between those translations and the KJV. This difference is what johnw74 is trying to hide by removing those translations when quoting me!. One cannot(after looking at those differences) deny the fact that a translation has twisted the original words of John. The question now is, which one of the translations has done so.
scholars had found the twister to be the KJV , it has been seen that the oldest and most reliable manuscripts does not contain the words added in the KJV, and that the KJV itself cannot defend it's source of those words.
If I ask that Johnw74 should defend the KJV and show how those words are in the manuscripts, he might not do so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

I know you copied from the KJV, but where did the KJV get those words that are not present in most other translations from?

Again you removed the scriptures I quoted to you, probably because they are true and its hurting you, hence you had to remove them when quoting my post.

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."
Those who use those translations should note what he said!

YOu made an accusation, saying that the word "God" was removed and replaced with "a god" in John 1:1, Is this true or just another one of your false accusations ? Let's see.

The word in contention in that verse is "theos" , now let's how the word is being translated.
let's look at strongs concordance
Strong's Concordance

theos: God, a god

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god,[/u]generally.
LOOK AT THE UNDERLINED AND TELL US IF "THEOS" CANNOT BE TRANSLATED AS "A GOD"

LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER
NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
of uncertain origin
Definition
God, [u]a god
NOW PLS EXPLAIN HOW YOU BECAME MORE KNOWLEGEAGLE THAN THE SOURCES PROVIDED ABOVE.

I'm very sure you don't study, the Greek word "theos" is present in luke 20: 28, see the Greek text below(the Greek word for "theos" has been coloured in red)
Greek Text
Θεὸς δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων· πάντες γὰρ αὐτῷ ζῶσιν.

Now let's see the KJV translation of luke 20:28
King James Bible
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
JOHNW74, IT IS NOW LEFT FOR YOU TO TELL IF THE KJV REMOVED "God" AND REPLACED IT WITH "A God", CUSU IT'S THE SAME WORD "THEOS" THAT WAS TRANSLATED!

The scholars have proven your accusations to be false, it's now left to you to proof how the KJV translation of rev 1:8 and rev 1:11 is not false!

part you removed: "Good, can you see that The son of man in the midst of the lampstand is different from the ancient of days who sits on the throne of God"
You cannot go against the above statement.

look at you own words again , " God gave revelation to jesus" , You could open your mouth and say such and yet you could believe that Jesus is God, the same God that gave Jesus the revelation, haba!
Is Jesus the God who gave Jesus the revelation? no! and the scriptures did not teach us so!
If Jesus could not be the angels or John who he gave the revelation to , I wonder how Jesus could now be God who gave the revelation to him!, God did not give himself the revelation or did he? PLS answer!

The questions where asked in a numbered format, but you know that answering the questions in the format it was asked will expose you.
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation.

I've asked you to provide just one instance of such lie, you refused.

false , it was God, the amighty, the one who is ,who was and who is to come that was speaking in rev 1:8, go and read rev 1:1-6 and understand better.

it was not Jesus speaking
this is why rev 1: 8 says :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful!

American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Good,Did you read the prophecies about jehovahs servant who will be pieced, that prophecy was about Jesus, who God exalted to his right side!

haha! you deliberately jumped the verse after verse 8, cus it was not Jesus that was talking abi, bet if it was Jesus that was talking in the next verse, you would have used it!, you have quickly forgotten how many personalities John said the greetings where from, go and read verses 1- 6 and understand better., your refusal to read those verses is affecting you.

John turned to see who was talking after God has talked and John himself had talked.
John when identifying who was talking did not call him God almighty, and surely not the ancient of days who the son of man approached I Daniels prophecy.
moreover Jesus was not sitting on the throne of God which God sits!

Go and read the scriptures and know who was talking in each verse!, Jesus called himself the root of David, have you forgotten what jehovahs said about the root of David? The root of David is not jehovah!
Jesus also told you he is the bright morning star!, did you not read job chapter 38, expecially verse 7? how can you now call Jesus jehovah?

are you now saying that Jesus is the only one that talked to John? PLS answer o!

what rev 22:14 really says :
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

International Standard Version
"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city!

NET Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can have access to the tree of life and can enter into the city by the gates.

American Standard Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Darby Bible Translation
Blessed [are] they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.

English Revised Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.[/b]

lie lie dolphinheart

ha ha, just look at all your repeated many words and lies, over and over again,
once more appearing to be verging on mental instability.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

so many words and confusion

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Pro_26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

Clearly it is Jesus talking:

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus said verse 12 "behold, I come quickly" referring to His second coming
Jesus said verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments" referring to His Father
Jesus said verse 16 " I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches"

Yet you lie lie false jw dolphinheart said:

"In most of those verses, it was God and not Jesus speaking."

cheesy

so many words and lies and false accusations from you lie lie to try and make the Bible say something else

satan
G4567
Σατανᾶς
Satanas
sat-an-as'
Of Chaldee origin corresponding to G4566 (with the definite article affixed); the accuser, that is, the devil: - Satan.
Total KJV occurrences: 36

Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 10:49am On Nov 24, 2016

dolphinheart:
good to note that you and your brother don't share the same belief !

such a girly

unlike you, we do have God given Faith to know that our Lord Jesus Christ is God

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 10:45am On Nov 24, 2016

dolphinheart:
good to note that you agreed that Satan is called theos

he is In this verse which speaks about you:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 7:18am On Nov 24, 2016

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Top verse an antichrist denies the Son
second verse, John shows that the Word is God

false jw denies that the Word is God, false jw are antichrists

Just like John showed that the Word is God,
Paul in his letter to Timothy also shows that the Word is God:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

More on God being manifest in the flesh:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

More on Jesus is God:
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
"Lord" in that verse is "kurios" meaning supreme in authority, God.
you lie lie dolphin argued that kurios doesn't mean "God"
well the Strongs Greek dictionary said "God", and who other than God is supreme in authority?
ha ha such a know nothing

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Of course Jesus knew He is equal to God, and John said: "God and the Word is God", Just like many other verses show,
I posted some here.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 6:50am On Nov 24, 2016*

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus said verse 12 "behold, I come quickly" referring to His second coming
Jesus said verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments" referring to His Father
Jesus said verse 16 " I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches"

Yet lie lie false jw dolphinheart said "In most of those verses, it was God and not Jesus speaking."

How pathetic are your lies

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Notice verse 15, how you false jw lie lie fits right in there

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:22am On Nov 24, 2016

Christians know through God given Faith that the Word-Jesus Christ "is God"

antichrist false jw fight constantly trying to show that the Word-Jesus Christ "is not God"

"You will know them by their fruits"

"whoever denies the Son has not the Father also"

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:52am On Nov 24, 2016*

dolphinheart:
It Was God , the almighty that was talking and not Jesus,

Such a lie lie, It was God, it was the almighty, it was Jesus talking, John turned to see who it was talking to Him
and he saw one like "the son of man"

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

dolphinheart:
You have added words to the verse

SOME HAVE ADDED WORDS TO THEIR BIBLE SO AS TO USE IT TO SUPPORT FALSE TEACHINGS, AND WHEN ASKED THE SOURCE OF THOSE WORDS, THEY REFUSE TO SHOW IT!

Oh lying one, I copied and pasted the verse from the KJV

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

but false jw, lying is what you do, always

dolphinheart:
again, more adulteration of the scriptures by elements who wanted to insert false teachings by force, this is what verse 11 says:

again, truly I copied and pasted from the KJV OH false accuser,
fancy false jw saying a Bible is adulterated when they, false jw, have removed "God" from John 1:1 and added "a god" in their adulterated book

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

the Lake of Fire awaits all antichrists, twisters-changers of God's word.
Wherever the Bible shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, false lie lie jw change it.

dolphinheart:
plus answer,
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation
answers to those questions will help you understand revelation better!

duh, how can one be so d--b

God gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John
Jesus gave revelation to John, it is Jesus talking to John and the Churches, not Father
when John turnerd to see who was speaking to Him
he saw "one like the Son of man"

all you do lie lie dolphinheart is lie and twist what the scriptures say

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You lie lie dolphinheart do a very bad job of twisting and rejecting the Truth, and you believe your own lies

The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega:

Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Again, Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

God gave Jesus the revelation, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John

It is Jesus talking to John, It is Jesus talking to the Churches, John saw "one like the son of man" talking

verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his(Father's) commandments,"
"his", Jesus is talking of the Father

Jesus said: "I am the Alpha and Omega" John added "the Almighty"

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:49pm On Nov 23, 2016*

Jozzy4:
lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,

Good work bro . thumbs up

I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

dolphinheart:
yo are right , thanks and amen.

you mean like you jozzy and you dolphin do, and are doing right now to your common enemy, bro and john cheesy

Ha ha, talking about yourself s again,

self righteous false accusing hypocrites both

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:18pm On Nov 23, 2016

dolphinheart:
seems you and you brother don't share the same beliefs, hence you don't want talk about it it!

false accuser dolphinheart

when will you stop crying

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:15pm On Nov 23, 2016

dolphinheart:
Good that you agree that there are more than one theos, one of your brothers does not agree to that!

lie lie dolphinheart

duh, theos means god, it usually refers to the one true God
but in greek if satan is called god then of course the word theos could be used
why because it means god, you still so confused

don't worry yourself if one of my brothers and I see some things diffrently
we don't worry about it, I for one have an open mind on what I don't know about
and continue to look into it

false jw have a closed mind, you are told what to believe.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:25am On Nov 23, 2016*

More facts people should know about false jw:

false jw say the Alpha and Omega is not Jesus it is God,
well they are wrong with the first part and right with the second part
Alpha and Omega is Jesus is God

Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus further says:
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Again this is Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Another thing false jw say:
God sent "Jesus His Angel" to testify to John the things in the Churches"

however the above verse 16 shows "Jesus" sent "His Angel"

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

false jw twist-lie on so much of the Bible-God's word.

I look forward to the day when I see all antichrists thrown into the Lake of Fire:
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:14pm On Nov 21, 2016

Jozzy4:
Roman catholics kill fellow Catholics , protestants kill fellow protestants during wars . you can show me A Jehovah Witness killing his fellows in war ?

pathetic you don't know what true love spoken about in John 13:34,35 is all about

Tell us your church sef ? are u ashamed ?

brocab:
Jozzy4 takes drugs, no-one listens to Jozzy4

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:47am On Nov 21, 2016

Jozzy4:
Italy, Germany, Spain , Nigeria , Ghana , Cameroon , France e.t.c .... Jehovah's Witnesses are united in serving the only true God Jehovah, The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ .

continue in your deceit .

roman catholics are in most of the world but they are wrong on much too

solite is right, your god is satan

your lord jesus christ is a false lord and christ, who you say is "a god"
which makes his father jehovah, a false jehovah also

you false jw believe in two gods, a almight god and a mighty god, ha ha

The mighty God, the almighty God, the awesome God, is the one true God.

You know that Yahweh is called almighty God, so just a couple of verses will do to show you that Yahweh is also called mighty God:

Jer_32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Hab_1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.

Yahweh is called almighty God only a couple or few times in the Bible,
He is called mighty God many more times than that.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:09am On Nov 21, 2016

brocab:
You don't have to brag who's stupid-everyone knows it's you.. Master worker, master builder your goal meant the same, but in your case you don't know who created the Heavens and the Earth..

or one of them,

Isn't that the truth

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:56am On Nov 21, 2016

dolphinheart:
let's see:
Re 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
As you see, the verse describes Jesus as the beginning of God's creation, it did not say Jesus was their at the beginning of God's creation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God(elohiym) created the heaven and the earth.

God there is "elohiym" which is plural, God and the Word, but hey argue if you don't think the Word created all that was created.

There was nothing made that He did not make = He was not made.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Very clear isn't it, God did not make anything without the Word = God did not make the Word.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD(Yahweh); and beside me there is no saviour.

Tit_3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Clearly Yahweh and Jesus is God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:21am On Nov 21, 2016

brocab, I think acho is stalking you

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:58pm On Nov 20, 2016

dolphinheart:
does brocab agree with you, does he agree that those verses is referring to jesus?

Worry about yourself, my post is to you lie lie dolphinheart
not to brocab

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:55pm On Nov 20, 2016*

dolphinheart:
so satan is a theos! good.

duh, yes the theos of this world, your god

It is not yahweh as you believe cheesy

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We see here that those whose minds are blinded, are they who believe not, and because they believe not, their minds continue in darkness, and are easy subjects for Satan to work on.

It is satan that doesn't want people to know the glorious gospel of Christ, not Yahweh

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:41pm On Nov 20, 2016

Jozzy4:
Liarrr where did you see master builder in my post ? U better go and get glasses Sir

Adam hear VOICE , the bible never said he saw God ... Liar

Jozzy4:
Adam saw God ? bunch of liars

Jozzy4:
Haaaa confirm liar , you need glasses, quote where I said Master Builder ?

Adam said he saw God liarrrs .

See the spirit in this foul mouth false jw

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:31pm On Nov 20, 2016

Jozzy4:
Adam saw God ? bunch of liars

I never said Adam saw God, whether he did or not
however it is easy to see who the liars and false accusers are
the spirit in them is easily recognizable in their foul mouths

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