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udatso:
You disappoint me.

Thank you, it's a pleasure

udatso:
I asked for a proof in the Bible of Jesus been called THE EVERLASTING FATHER.

Duh

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is called The mighty God:
Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jehovah is called the mighty God:
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.



Jehovah is called the Almighty God:
Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Jesus is called the Almighty:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



false jw say that is Jehovah talking in verse 8, saying I am the Alpha and Omega, but the previous verse shows
that it is Jesus the one who was pierced talking:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Also John turns to see who it was that was speaking:
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

John turned to see it was Jesus talking
and Jesus said again as in verse 8, I am the Alpha and omega

lie lie false jw's

Jesus is called The mighty God:
Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jehovah is called the mighty God:
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.



Jehovah is called the Almighty God:
Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Jesus is called the Almighty:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



false jw say that is Jehovah talking in verse 8, saying I am the Alpha and Omega, but the previous verse shows
that it is Jesus the one who was pierced talking:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Also John turns to see who it was that was speaking:
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

John turned to see it was Jesus talking
and Jesus said again as in verse 8, I am the Alpha and omega

lie lie false jw's

andymoorey:
Can you please be humble for a second and answer this mild question?

not liking satans disciples has nothing at all to do with humility
try being truthful if that's at all possible for false jw

andymoorey:
Has Jesus and God (or anything you call the second person) happened to be different and be together in heaven at any time?

^^^
confusion is the hall mark of false jw
if you mean are there scriptures of God and the Word being together,
there are a few just off the top of my head, surely even false jw can do a search and find them

If you say there are none, then I will show false jw to be lying yet again

^^^

johnw74:
I don't think anyone is to interested in your silly argument

udatso:
I asked for a proof in the Bible of Jesus been called THE EVERLASTING FATHER.

Duh

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

udatso:
You seem to believe that it's only Jehovah witness that don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

like false jw's you seem to like to lie
most people know that muslim's, just to name one other group
don't believe in the divinity of Christ

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said to the Word "Let us make man in our image"

false jw said God is talking to Angels
however Angels are not in God's image
and Angels are not God as verse 27 shows the us to be


"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God"
"our image" verse 26 = "God's image" verse 27
God and the Word = God

and of course John 1:1 also shows that God and the Word is God

Jozzy4:
But Jesus is not the Father , Right ?

duh, lie lie jozzy, well at least you know that much, you don't know much else though that's for sure
the flesh and blood Jesus is the Son

now go back and read all the material and verses showing that the Word is God,
and while you are there, look at all your lies and confusion and non comprehension
that you keep on saying in your every post

you such big lie lie

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah said Jesus is "mighty God" and false jw believe that, because false jw believe in two god's,
a mighty god (Jesus) and a almighty god (Father)

of course both "mighty God" and "almighty God" are terms referring to the one true God


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

but when it comes to John 1:1, they change that, they don't say
the Word was God or the Word was mighty God, they lie and say the Word is "a god"

false jw believe Isaiah that Jesus is "mighty God" but they don't believe Isaiah when he next said
Jesus is "everlasting Father", so false jw's pick and choose what they will believe from the Bible,
as all sects do.

andymoorey:
When you are referring to persons, why do you always say "jw" when it is a discussion? Attacking religions is of the devil who want to hide facts about God with cunning. The same satan would not want people to know the difference betweeen a Son and his Fater like in the case of God (Jehovah) and His Son (Jesus). If someone is thinking enough, how would he want John 3:16 to be explained again,

New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

New Living Translation
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

English Standard Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Berean Study Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.

New American Standard Bible
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

or Daniel 713-14?

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,a o comingp with the clouds of heaven.q He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority,r glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him.s His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdomt is one that will never be destroyed.

View the bible with the mind to know and not wanting to draw innocent ones with yourself. If Jesus in heaven is given directive by someone else, it stands to prove that he is subject to (under) that one. 1corinthians 15:24-28.

24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone

attacking false religion is not of the devil
Jesus attacked the pharisees of His day who were a false religious sect

Jesus called the pharisees "the synagogue of Satan":
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

false jw is todays pharisees

of course Jesus is subjected to the Father, that is not saying the Word is not God
but if you are false jw you could not possibly understand:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

brocab:
It doesn't matter how many times we try and show them the truth about Christ, without the spirit of God-and because they feed of each other on this page, nothing that the word of God says will bring them closer to Christ.

isn't that the truth

brocab:
They believe how the world believes, flesh and blood is their only sauce, the JW's believe by their works it will bring them closer to God.

their bad works do bring them closer to their god though

brocab:
They haven't the faith to honesty claim they know Christ.

and they haven't the Holy Spirit, to know the truths of God

brocab:
When the bible clearly tells us no-one can go to the Father without Him.
When the bible tells us I and the Father are One.

yes and He is "I am" of the old testament

brocab:
They believe only a few elders of 144000 will be with a god while the rest will live in peace on the new earth.

they told me in about the 1970's that only a few of the 144000
elders were still alive and so everything was abour to happen
whatever that was to be, the coming of the Kingdom I suppose
but they were giving those kind of false dates-prophecies-predictions
for many decades before then

brocab:
They don't believe in the bible-but they do believe in a god.

yes they have "a god", this verse is Jesus talking to the pharisee's, who are todays false jw's, telling who their god is:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


deceiver antichrist false jw say "a god" came in the flesh

Jozzy4:
its because u lack basic comprehension u know , everyone knows the Father is the one known as the Only true God. and he is not Jesus !!!! so that's not the point here.

the point here is , the Father is identified as the One God in the scripture - Eph 4:6, 1 Cor 6:8, now show us where Jesus is reffered to as the ONE GOD in the scripture ?

without that ur father + son explanation remains FALSE and a Contradiction to Apostle Paul submission that the One God is the Father.

lie lie jozzy

duh false jw copycat
I just got through showing you where the Word is said to be the one true God in scripture
and you had to finally and angrily admit that "God" in John 1:1 is the one true God

and now you lie lie are starting with your twisting, playing with words again, which is lying


I showed you that the God of John 1:1 is the one true God which you had to grudgingly admit
and John 1:1 say's the word also is that one true God
God, is God and the Word.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos, the one true God),
and the Word was God (theos, the one true God).

The God of John 1:1 is the one true God, which lie lie jozzy eventually was forced to admit

and now lie lie jozzy starts twisting - lying again, he cannot admit to the truth for long,
as a dog returns to his vomit, lie lie jozzy returns to his lies

but you way big lie lie, and like lie lie barrisster and lie lie dolphinheart and apparently all
false jw's from what we see her, you cannot help it, your god forbids the truth.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the devil speaks lies of his own, meaning the devil speaks lies naturally

aren't false jw just like him

udatso:
For the prophesy to be true, there are conditions to be met. He will be called some names.
Is there a record of him being called the everlasting Father in his time?

it appears you don't believe the Isaiah prophecy
I don't think anyone is to interested in your silly argument

if we Christians call Him everlasting Father in this time
then I'm sure His Disciples in His time did also

many call Jesus wonderful
many call Jesus the Holy Spirit (Counsellor)
many call Jesus The mighty God (even false jw's do)
many call Jesus The everlasting Father ( we Christians have been calling Him that in this very thread)
etc.
open your eyes.

Jozzy4:
I said the phrase " one God " . use your brain when reading my posts .



Jesus himself is never the only true God and he is not the one God and Father of all.

Jesus was WITH that only true God, the one God and father of all .

oh that hurt telling the truth didn't it, look how angry you are

ha ha, you kept saying "one god" is not in John 1:1

and now you have been forced to admit that the God of John 1:1 is indeed the one true God

you lie lie jozzy kept twisting words - lying to avoid that truth

wow you one big heap liar

and now you deny that John 1:1 says that the Word is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you such big lie lie

Jesus spoke of you pharisee false jw:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you like satan, when he speaks a lie he is speaking naturally

Jozzy4:
let me bust you again. NO! I am going to my Father and Yourrrrrrrrr Father - read John 20:17 , Jesus father is my Father . cheesy
cheesy



God the Father ?



are you now saying Jesus is God the Father ?

solite3:
Jesus is not God the father but he is my father because he is the second adam

sol, false jw jozzy couldn't bust anyone except in his own mind

Jozzy4:
Eeyah, sorry it pained you . your explanation lacks truth since the phrase " One God " didn't appear at john 1:1, YOU ADDED it and went ahead to contradict the Apostle Paul statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 .


up till now , you can't and will never produce a single scripture where Jesus is addressed as ONE GOD . none !

well lets see if you lie lie jozzy have the courage to answer this:

seeing as you keep saying there is no "one God" in John 1:1

is the God of John 1:1 that the Word was with in the beginning
the one true God, or is He some other God?

Jozzy4:
Eeyah, sorry it pained you . your explanation lacks truth since the phrase " One God " didn't appear at john 1:1, YOU ADDED it and went ahead to contradict the Apostle Paul statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 .


up till now , you can't and will never produce a single scripture where Jesus is addressed as ONE GOD . none !

false jw jozzy

you are lying there is no contradiction from me of Paul 1Cor 8:6 at all, just no understanding from you

udatso:
First of all, you should know that my aim here wasn't to question Christian docrines. If I wanted to, I could have opened a thread and invite you and your brothers to it.
My aim was to to examine the evidence of Trinitarians. What you have to say helps me when am in a dialogue with other Christians.

Secondly, when I asked that question, It wasn't in a collaboration with someone else. I simply asked you a question. So I can't really see the rationality in lumping me and someone else in your reply.
It's your choice to reply or not. But refusing to reply because someone else agrees with my other post is dishonesty in your part.

Finally, I can also bring similarities between Christians and idol worshippers but that doesnt make their purpose and message same.

Thanks for your time and am sorry if I offended you.

I did reply and said I couldn't say anything because the posts were confused and even some deleted
false jw's also falsely accuse of dishonesty, like you did, while they cannot even write a post with out lying
however I myself don't see any point in discussing Christianity with a muslim, who has a diffrent belief to me

it's bad enough discussing Christianity with false jw's who say they are Christians but do lie.

Jozzy4:
Simple question: if the Father of all doesn't have a Father , Jesus have a Father ? Yes or No

false jw I'm not explaining the same things over and over again just because you have been blinded and don't see,
go back and search, or not
apparently all false jw's repeat the same thing over and over again because they have been blinded
and have no comprehension of what is said or understanding of the Bible

Jozzy4:
you mean there is no such verse where Jesus is called The ONE GOD ?

false jw joz

I mean as I said many times, you false jw have no comprehension of things said and no understanding of the Bible
and it's amazing how you like to show it
but really you are so lacking that you actually think you have something
yes that's right it's called delusion

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jozzy4:
nobody ask you to tell if the Word was with God , show us where the bible called Jesus THE ONE GOD !!! ?

prove it with the Bible , One God is the father and son " ?


I will prove mine with the Bible , we have one God , the Father - 1 Cor 8:6

as I said many times, you false jw have no comprehension of things said and no understanding of the Bible

Jozzy4:
you are very stubborn . no mistake , no correction abi ? see below






if the Father of all doesn't have a Father, Jesus have a Father ? yes or no .

false jw joz

I explained it concerning the Word being God
and concerning Jesus being the son
and over and over again you show your non comprehension and confusion

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

see you there jozzy
stick around a while I'm going to have something to eat and I will be back

Jozzy4:
[quote author=udatso post=47773372]

Jozzy4:
Lol bro, that's another poster entirely

the person I quote johnw74 said " Jesus is the Father of all . " emphasis on " the Father " .

udatso:
That's true. That was another's. sorry about that. Let me edit
Funny enough THIS FATHER OF ALL(Jesus according to them) has a father too

well I can't respond to that confusion, especially with some of it deleted

I understand the confusion from false jw jozzy who cannot comprehend anything

but anyway good to see false jw and muslim having things in common
just don't know why either of you bother coming to a Christian thread
the opening poster is not Christian hence the thread title but the trinity doctrine is Christian

Jozzy4:
your earlier assertion was that Jesus is the Father of all .

yes I showed why He is

Jozzy4:
but now u have realized your mistake and that's why you correct yourself @ bold .

no mistake, no correction,
and no comprehension from false jw jozzy

Jozzy4:
good , since you admit the Father of all doesn't have a Father .

yes that's good the father of all doesn't have a Father

Jozzy4:
true that means Jesus is not the Father of all and johnw74 earlier statement is wrong that Jesus is the Father.

therefore , Jesus is not the one God because he is not the Father of all.

according to the scripture , the one God is the Father of all . which UV admit is not Jesus !

have a nice day.

such is the confused babble of jw
amazing isn't it, I explained it all so simply, how it applies to Jesus being both the Word (God)
and with Jesus being flesh (the Son)


and joz tells others they have no comprehension

Jozzy4:
that's done already, since you and your cohorts have admit Jesus is not the Father .


you guys are extremely confuse individuals , if a oneness pentecostal pastor who believes Jesus is the Father enters this thread and tried to justify his assertion with Isaiah 9:6 , am sure many of you will start correcting him that he is misusing the verse . but here you are doing the exact same thing.

stop your babble and explain yourself oh confused false jw

Jozzy4:
open your eyes , according to 1 Corinthians 8:6 , who is the One God ?

bro told you and you couldn't comprehend

I will put it another way and of course you again will not comprehend

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Co 8:6 tells us that there is but one God the Father

John 1:1 tells us that the Word is also that one God

you say John 1:1 doesn't say "one" God and so to you He apparently is not the one true God
that the Word was with in the beginning
it just once again shows you have no understanding of the Bible

truly John was referring to the Word being with the same one God that 1 Cor 8:6 talks off
and John goes on to say that the Word was not just with that one true God
but that the Word was that one true God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

false jw jozzy you have no comprehension of what is said and you have no understanding of the Bible
at all
just like fellow false jw lie lie barristter

The God that the Word was with in the beginning (John 1:1) is not the one true God, say false jw joz and barristter
amazing

Jozzy4:
show me where the bible said " One God , the Father AND SON " ?

false jw, I explained it and you can neither comprehend it
or understand the Bible, which is of course understandable,
the fallen angels at witchpower headquarters
tell your elders, and your elders tell you what to believe

Jozzy4:
you are stammering, the phrase " ONE GOD " doesn't appear at john 1:1

in other words , there is nowhere the scripture says " the one God is the Father and son " . keep searching , u might find it


but there is strong evidence that the scripture said the " for us , there is one God , the Father " . 1 Cor 8:6 , for us true Christians that's what we believe , without adding to it .

and false Christians like you can't support your own one God , father + son theory with scripture.

the scripture says One God , the Father . not one God , father + son


see where pride and false teaching is leading you.

duh false jw, true Christians don't habitually lie as false jw's do, you so deceived
all I will say to that babble confusion is

you have no comprehension of what is said at all
and no understanding at all of the scriptures
duh joz