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lie lie dolphinheart

this is only a little of your lies and confusion in your one post
you must certinally put in a lot of time with your preaching to the whole world here

dolphinheart:
The translation of the hebrew word as "LORD" in psalms 110: 1, and as "JEHOVAH" in psalms 83:10 and other places has created this confusion that johnw74 is battling to explain

truly I haven't battled as you do, to explain anything
but you do love to lie

dolphinheart:
Now to probe further into johnw74's confusion

truly nothing I have replied to has confused me
but you do love to lie

dolphinheart:
let's loot at what you said again :
Aug 19, page 10, 12: 34 am , you said :
The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God

on Aug 20, 1:20am , page 10 of these thread, you said :
as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

note: these statement was made after I had shown to you the definition of "kurios".
Now you have removed the word "god" from what you said earlier so you can accuse me of lying!. prove you are not trying to define "kurios" and proof you did not use the word "God"

truly I have known the definition of kurios for decades

truly I have not removed the word God from any post earlier or since

truly I have posted the strongs definition of "kurios"

truly I did use the word God

truly you are paranoid which is of the devil and which comes through rejecting God who is Love
and following another god

truly you are heap way big lie lie who cannot possibly know the true God.

dolphinheart:
JOHNW74, YOU CAN SEE YOU NUMBERING EXPLANATION DOES NOT STAND SCRUTINY!,

duh, the Strongs numbers point to words, it makes for an easier searching tool
but you have no idea

dolphinheart:
no wonder you could not post the Greek texts.

non stop lies from lie lie dolphinheart
copying and pasting Greek or hebrew verses doesn't work on my two e Bibles
just singular words work

dolphinheart:
I challenge to provide where you got G2962 or kurios to be defined as god like you posted above. pls direct us to where you got such info from.

I have more than once but your god has blinded you

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

dolphinheart:
Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. p's stop lying

truly my only lying is in your paranoid head

dolphinheart your lie lying is getting even worse if that is at all possible

which false prophets come to you in sheep clothing

the ones from witchpower magazine
which has witch angels appearing to them telling them which to write

brocab:
[size=14pt]I have asked you nicely[/size] repeatedly to explain to me, and still you had refuse to explain your own version, nor have you explained any of your organisation's teachings about this very same matter, but rather you and the rest of you donkey's have criticised the word of God, especially these {Luke 16:22-26 Revelation 6:10} you yourself not knowing these scriptures can only make life a little harder for you to even consider how these verses have explained what part of us ends up in Hell, or Heaven.
What the truth is, you haven't the slightest idea how to answer your side view about this subject-not because you know the answers, its because you haven't a clue what the answers are?
And of course the Watchtower magazines don't preach on this subject because they haven't the slightest understanding about the Spirit of God. And of course the world already knows, if they were to change their lying tongues, they will loose their income each week coming from the people.
So like you, its best to keep your mouth shut, because people from the four corners of the world may start recognising the JW's are speaking through their own ass.
You are a lair dolphinheart, the world already knows their is no truth found in you, nor in your organisation.

nicely doesn't work with satans ministers of righteousness

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

and really who comes to you, which false prophets come to you, knocking at your door, appearing as sheep

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.



Who fits the descriptions of:


false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ

satans ministers transformed as the ministers of righteousness

adding to the Bible

taking away from the Bible

false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing

and really who comes to you, which false prophets come to you, knocking at your door, appearing as sheep


There are a lot of verses in the Bible speaking about false jw and other antichrists

dolphinheart:
You can't make any sense of the scripture and explanation given? wow!
you don't want to answer the questions such explanation brought up.


the verse does not mean Jesus is everywhere, as Jesus will not be where 2 or 3 people are not gathered in his name or will he?

are you saying the Spirit of Christ is in believers but is not omnipresent?

lie lie dolphinheart

Of course I'm not wasting time again adressing all of your confusion, lies, and false accusations
but some

dolphinheart:
The Kjv has altered

the KJV is good with most Christians, but not with false jw's, that's understandable

however the new world translation is definately corrupted, as most Christians would agree

dolphinheart:
The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God

To Christians, Yahovah is God, but to you the name doesn't mean God
and it is also true that your jehovah is not God, bat a false god, as your jesus is a false jesus
and your holy spirit is not god, not even a person of god, but just a force-a thing



I often call you lie lie because you often lie

but you being a copycat and accusing me of lying where I did not lie
is just more lies and false accusing from you lie lie dolphinheart


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD (Yahovah) said unto my Lord (adon), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

"Yahovah" is the name of God, "adon" means soverign-divine, both words are referring to Father and Son, to God

H3068

יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
Total KJV occurrences: 6521

If Yahovah means: the self existant, the eternal, then Yahovah means God

H113

אָדֹן אָדוֹן
'âdôn 'âdôn
aw-done', aw-done'
From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine): - lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with “Adoni-”.
Total KJV occurrences: 335

Now false jw chooses the word "human" however with all the Bible verses showing diffrently, Christians choose the word "divine"


Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

"kurios" when referring to God, means supreme in authority, God. Both instances of the word referring to Father and Son mean God

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748


dolphinheart you very way big lie lie and false accuser, but a good little pharisee jw

dolphinheart:
you refused to answer the 4 questions!

I don't often reply to confusion or false doctrines

but You love to lie

lie lie dolphinheart

all your confusion and twisting things around and jumping all over the place-lying, is just to avoid the plain truth that Matthew 22:44 shows both Father and son to be God

but you are just doing what satans disciples do

Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

and look at the lenghts you go to to trash a Bible verse, making out it is not true

truly God (kurios Father) said to my God (kurios Jesus)

and Father Himself, called Jesus God:
Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

but then that's only one of the many Bible verses you don't believe and change, isn't it

dolphinheart:
I did not ignore the verse you are talking about!
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?

I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.


Secondly why did you not answer :
1. Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

all lies, you disbelieve Matthew 22:44 and say Psalm 110:1 is correct
that's what false jw do, disbelieve the Bible and change it
but in this case you just once again have no understanding of the verses

Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:44 say the same thing and are of course both correct

Matthew is translated from the Greek "kurios" (God) for Father and Son

Psalms is translated from the Hebrew "y'hovah" for Father and "adon" for Son, both mean God"


I accept both verses, all verses of the Bible are right
you lie lie, say they are not and change them

dolphinheart:
I do believe , do you?, how did you come to know the father is supreme in authority God?
is the father's authority over that of jesus in heaven? Yes or no?

I understand how you are unable to stop lying, it is your nature to lie
I said "kurios" means "supreme in authority", and refers to both Father and Son in said verse, which you questioned
stick to the subject, I know you want to weasel out of it through doing the twist

dolphinheart:
Matthew 22:44 did not say "theos" or did it?

no Matthew 22:44 said "kurios" as I keep saying, see your confusion that comes from lying

dolphinheart:
the word "kurios" that you put twice in bracket above cannot be found twice in the Greek text of that verse, plus show us the full Greek text of that verse where you found yours as twice written?

lies lies and more lies, no I didn't put them there, the ancient Greek writers did

you have been blinded, here is the verse from the KJV with Strongs Commentary numbers:

Mat 22:44 TheG3588 LORDG2962 saidG2036 unto myG3450 Lord,G2962 SitG2521 thou onG1537 myG3450 right hand,G1188 tillG2193 I makeG5087 thineG4675 enemiesG2190 thyG4675 footstool?G5286 G4228

You may notice the number for both instances of Lord is the same (G2962)
that number represents the Greek "kurios"


above and below is the Strong's Greek dictionary for the two instances of "kurios" in Matthew 22:44, which you lied saying "kurios" wasn't in the Strongs for that Matthew verse:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Strongs used "kurios" for both instances of Lord in the Mathew verse, you such a lie lie

dolphinheart:
as you can see, your explanation is based on assumptions ,not fact, cus I showed you the fact, but because it will affect your doctrine, you refuse to accept it.
1. you have now shifted the definition of kurios from Lord or master to "god" and now to " supreme in authority God". I've shown you the meaning of "kurios" by scholars, you are still sticking to your self made, no evidence given, false definition of the word "kurios".
2. you could not tell us how you came to know that the "kurios in that verse is referring to the father and the son, are there not people called Lord in the scriptures?


funny, you are using the verse that says "theos" to find meaning to the word that says " kurios". pls show us how you got the meaning of "kurios" to be "god". scholars says it means "lord" or "master" and the verse you quoted describe it as such!, no where in the scriptures is "theos" ever described as "kurios".


i did not ask me to find the verse where "kurios"and "theos" are mentioned, i said : Prove me wrong, the two words translated to "lord" in the that verse is not "kurios", found only one "kurios" in that greek text!
question: how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?
another question is , how do you know who who when you fully capitalised one kurios when translation it and refuse to do so to the second one?

when translating the word "kurios", you capitalized one fully, but do not capitalize the same word fully when it appeared again!
how did you know one kurios is for the father, hence full capitalization when transLating.

oh confused one you are repeating the same things over and over

of course you cannot stop lying, I accept both verses, and you don't

such confusion and lies, I haven't shifted any definitions, when referring to Father and Son, "kurios" does mean Lord-God, If "kurios was referring to a mere person of position then it would mean Mr. or master or sir.
you really are stuck in kindergarten

confusion reigns with lie lie dolphinheart, kurios is not capitalised
It's the word Lord that is either fully capitalised or not
why did I capitalise one and not the other? confused person, I didn't write the KJV Bible

dolphinheart:
kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!

The Hebrew for David and the Greek for Matthew are both correct
but you don't believe so

dolphinheart you heap way big lie lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I don't often reply to your confusion, but I do like to show up your lies.

DoctorAlien:
I can't make any sense of that.

The question is: explain Matt. 18:20 since you said Jesus Christ is not omnipresent.

Ha ha, sense cannot be made of much of what dolphinheart says

FAWZ:
But all what I said is it truth or false?

false because you don't understand the things you spoke off

dolphinheart:
fact : you are still refusing to answer the question

fact : I never refused anything

fact : you love to lie

FAWZ:
If I say they are clueless...I swear it is not an insult but a fact. . when u ask them dat who is God d fada,God the son and God the holy spirit....they will say they are all one....but they refer Jesus as son of God...and they also say he is God...#clueless....... They say God send his only son to die for their sins which means God cannot for give sins without a sacrifice.... #clueless....if Jesus was God which God is he calling upon when he was been crucified..... #clueless..... They say there so called holy book was written under inspiration from God....why have pastors Neva preached to his members about songs of Solomon.....#clueless....and lastly which of the Christians is having the complete version of the bible? The orthodox, Pentecostal, or Catholics..... #cluelesss.........

you muslims appear to have some in common with those who call themselves jehovah's witnesses
atheists who hate the truth get on well with them too

that says something, ....clueless could be that something

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Those with eyes to see, see that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ

The Holy Spirit comes from God, God is the Father and the Son:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.

Verses on Jesus being omnipresent:
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

TRINITY was not a Teaching of YAHSHUA, nor his Disciples: if it were, the Jews would have executed the whole Early Church.

. MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out, and his Disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way, he asked his Disciples, saying unto them,
"Whom do men say that I am?"
28. And they answered,
"John the Baptist: but some (say) Elias; and other, one of thee Prophets."
29. And he saith unto them,
"But whom say ye that I am?"
And Peter answereth and saith unto him,
"Thou art The Christ."
30. And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

YAHSHUA FORBADE PREACHING ABOUT HIMSELF.

Those who have to tell you "JESUS IS GOD," are not his Disciples.

Really, just of the top of my head:

John called Jesus God
Thomas called Jesus God
Father called Jesus God

ummmm

dolphinheart:
you still refuse to answer the question

when you have nothing, you repeat yourself, you do it often, ha

I still today like yesterday don't answer much of your confusion
and of course like yesterday, today you still love to lie

dolphinheart:
tell that to your predecessors who removed Gods name from the scriptures.
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.
Secondly why did you not answer :
1. Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

you believer everything witchpower and your elders tell you
you ignore the verse I'm speaking of and the things I say, and do the twist because you have no answers

dolphinheart:
Strong's Concordance
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
lord, master
NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).
IS GOD INCLUDED IN THOSE DEFINITIONS ? no
Pls tell us where and how you got your own "God" meaning?

so you don't believe Father is "supreme in authority-God"

Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

John also says Father and Jesus is "God"
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Many more verses showing that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, would you like me to post them again?

dolphinheart:
Prove me wrong, the two words translated to "lord" in the that verse is not "kurios", found only one "kurios" in that greek text!
question: how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?

duh duh duh, unbelievable, then you are blind

would you like me to post all the verses where "kurios" is referring to Jesus?
He is also referred to as "theos" which also means God
here is a verse where Jesus is called both "kurios" and "theos":
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord (kurios) and my God (theos).

dolphinheart:
you that is the graduate, Pls tell:
how did you differenciate who is who? so as to fully capitalize one and not fully capitalize again when it occurred a second time.


see excuse!
when translating the word "kurios", you capitalized one fully, but do not capitalize the same word fully when it appeared again!
how did you know one kurios is for the father, hence full capitalization when transLating.
kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!

I do understand how you cannot tell the diffrence between Father and Son in the Bible

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God made all things through the Word-Jesus Christ, God didn't make anything without Him-Jesus
that rules out God making the Word

dolphinheart:
you refuse to answer the question

I don't answer much of your confusion
but you love to lie

dolphinheart:
tell that to your predecessors who removed Gods name from the scriptures.

You believe everything witchpower magazine and your elders tells you

dolphinheart:
thought kurios was Greek word for Lord, now it's God again? continue!

The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God
you keep on showing that you have no comprehension at all

dolphinheart:
how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?

duh, look up the Greek for both instances of Lord in that verse
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (kurios) said to my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

dolphinheart:
how did you differenciate who is who?

duh again, can you believe this, will he ever graduate from kindergarten

dolphinheart:
almighty God is supreme in authority!

Yes and Mark shows that the Word is to ("kurios" for both)


As for the rest of your confusion, you can have it

You have no comprehension of much of what is said
and you have no understanding of the Bible, not even that one plain verse

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Mal_2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him (the Word-Jesus Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.




Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

It's God that lives in men.

dolphinheart:
"in the beginning was the the word", God does not have a beginning.
"and the word was with God" who is the God the word was with, is the word that same person?

The verse does not say the Word had a beginning, you are again adding to what the Bible says

the beginning spoken of is the beginning of creation of the heavens and the earth
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

IN the beginning was the Word, John 1:1




Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....

and the Word was with GOD, John 1:1




and the Word was GOD. John 1:1, as so many verses show

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Mal_2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him (the Word-Jesus Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.




Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

It's God that lives in men.

dolphinheart:
now pls kindly tell:
"And we know that the (1)Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)Him that is true, even in [color=yellow](4)his[/color] Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD, and eternal life." 1 Jn. 5:20.

1.who is the "son of God" in (1)coloured blue above
2.who is "him" in (2)coloured red above
3. who is the "him" in (3)coloured green above
4.who is the "his" in (4)coloured yellow above

note , Jesus does not have a son called Jesus.
Jesus himself had told told us who the only true God is!

Father and Son is God and eternal life

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. [This is the true God, and eternal life.


That eternal life was with the Father, the eternal Word had no beginning

Father and Son-God is that eternal life

dolphinheart:
1.Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

2.you could not state what the temptation was about, I stated it.

3. pls tell, why is one "kurios" capitalised and the second kurios is not capitalised, secondly, are the two kurios referring to same person?

4. where did you get it that kurios means supreme in authority,God

5. Jesus said " it is written", where was it written? De 6:16
what does that verse say?
“You must not put Jehovah your God to the test the way you put him to the test at Masʹsah.

lie lie dolphinheart,

the verse in question was from mark, you mistranslated that verse
the Greek for lord there is "kurios" and not "YHWH"

Father and Son in that verse are called "kurios"-God
but you jump all over the place to try and confuse, like a good little false jw does



so do you think God is not supreme in authority?




the word "kurios is not capitalized in either instance, the word translated as Lord is capitalized in both cases
Full capitalization for the Father showing two different persons
not two different god's though, as false jw believe.

dolphinheart:
seems you know much about manuscripts, pls tell, which manuscript are you referring to, so that one can do his own investigation?


the answer or reason is quite easy to get , the verse says:
Mt 4:7Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”

why did Jesus say this words that was written in deut 6:16, it is because that was what Satan was trying to do, Jesus' answer and the devils temptation shows us more emphatically that jesus is not the God Satan was referring to during the temptation.
verses 5 and 6 tells us:
[b]Mt 4:5Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple
Mt 4:6and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning [color=red]you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”

can you see what Satan is trying to do, the temptation is not for jesus directly , he is trying to make jesus tempt Jehovah, for Jehovah had earlier said those words that the devil is using. Jesus knew that it was wrong for him to put Jehovah to the test by expecting angels to rescue him if he were to engage in reckless behavior, therefore jesus told him what is written in verse 7.

see how false jw dolphinheart and all fales jw's twist the scriptures-lie

the word Jehovah is not mentioned in any of those verses,
the greek that "Lord" comes from is "kurios"
which is often used for Jesus

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (kurios) said to my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Both Father and Son are called "kurios"

kurios - supreme in authority, God

Father and Son is God as is said in so many verses which I have posted
and will post again if anyone hasn't seen them.


Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Verse 1, it is Jesus that is to be tempted
verse 7, it is the one being tempted that is the Lord thy God.

and there is no disputing that jesus is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I know you don't believe that verse, I can post many more just like that one which you won't believe also


Because they are not spiritually discerned, it is the way of the cults to reduce biblical truth to make God comprehensible and understandable by their minds. To this end, they subject God's word to their own reasoning and end in error.

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

dolphinheart:
water(H2O) cannot exist in the 3 states at once, unless you have 3 different body of water that exist in the liquid, solid and gaseous state. then if that is the case, you will have three different body of water, applying that to trinity means you have 3 gods and not one God.

Nonsense, the example Doc gave showing liquid, ice, and vapor, to be water is a good one

the three diffrent persons of God: Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, are all God:
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = God

three diffrent bodies of water are all water:
ice, liquid, and vapor, = water

you have no comprehension of what people say, changing what they say,
and no understanding of the Bible, changing what it says

your understanding of God and the Word is that He is "a two headed god"
your understanding of the Trinity is that they are three gods

false jw have no comprehension of what is said, and no understanding of the Bible
and how could they have, having no Holy Spirit as well.

DoctorAlien:
Dolphinheart,

Did you even care to look up the concept of the triple point of water? You wouldn't be asking me questions about it if you did.

You said Jesus was not the GOD Satan was referring to during the temptation. My question for you: who was being tempted at that point? Jesus Christ or GOD the Father?

Hi Doc, good to see another Christians at this place

you will notice that dolphinheart won't continue to reply to verses that he cannot twist or manipulate to say something else

Yes it clearly was Jesus being tempted

Barristter07:
DoctorAlien



Concerning the bolded part of your post , the text in question despite been fake never said the three are " one God " therefore , it still doesn't prove the idea of a multiple personality god.

whereas The Scripture clearly spelled out who is the one God at Ephesians 4:6 , the " one God and Father of all " ... The one God is the Father of all.

is Jesus the Father of ALL ?

lie lie barristter

as a person in God Jesus is the son
as God He is of course the one God and Father of all

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You won't understand and cannot, but those with the right Spirit can, and you don't believe that verse and others like it that go against your satanic doctrines.


We Christians are talking about three persons in the one God, the one God of the bible
we are not talking about the two god's of false jw, the Almighty God (Father)
and the mighty God (Jesus)

We Christians know that the terms almighty and mighty refer to the same one God and Father of all

I posted many verses showing that, which of course false jw do not believe.


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah points out that Jesus is in fact God, -The mighty God, The everlasting Father,
and of course they are names of God.

And as even false jw's believe that the Father is God, so there you have two persons who are the one God,
but not two god's (mighty and almighty) as false jw say.


jw lyingly accuse Christians of believing in three god's, a three faced god, a two headed god, and so on
while they themselves believe in two god's an almighty god and a mighty god,
their own descriptions fit their own god's

They believe the Father's only begotten Son is an angel

they have a false jesus and a false jehovah.

[size=14pt]Does the Watchtower organization control the Jehovah's Witnesses' thinking?[/size]

Following are quotes from the literature of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society--better known as the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. After reading the quotes below, it is obvious that the Watchtower discourages individual thinking among the Jehovah's Witnesses and requires them to submit to the teaching of the Watchtower organization.

Romans 14:5 says, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." The Bible wants us to think and to be convinced in our own minds about issues that are debatable (Rom. 14:1-12). However, the Watchtower does not want its people to be convinced in their own minds. It wants them to submit to the Watchtower.

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[size=14pt]The Trinity[/size]

by Matt Slick

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as the Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc. These are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God. (See also, "Another Look at the Trinity"

Jesus, the Son, is one person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also divine in nature and is self-aware and the third person of the Trinity.

There is, though, an apparent separation of some functions among the members of the Godhead. For example, the Father chooses who will be saved (Eph. 1:4); the Son redeems them (Eph. 1:7); and the Holy Spirit seals them, (Eph. 1:13).

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