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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
lie lie dolphinheart

I said Kurios does appear twice in Matthew 22:44, you dolphin lied saying it didn't, and said post it
and I did post it, along with the source where I got it so that you can look it up yourself
and of course you lie lie said: "lies show where you copied and pasted", duh such lies and confusion
but then satan calls truth lies as well, you lie lie are just following your god
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you are still repeating your same old twisted confusion and lies because it is all you have
lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible,
not accepting what is said to be true because there is no truth in you, false accusations and lies etc.
and showing what appears to be mental instability with posting even the same posts and the same things over and over again
lying comes naturally to you, and you think others are the same

Whereas you are happy to repeat lies over and over again
I,m even happier to be able to show the truth again and again

You say Yahovah doesn't mean God, although I have shown that it does
and you post many posts to try and prove that Jehovah doesn't mean God
actually you may be right for the first time, perhaps Jehovah doesn't mean God
but YAHWEH means God.

You say kurios doesn't appear twice in the greek for Matthew 22:44 even when shown it does

You are antichrist, denying the truth about the Lord

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son
Matthew 22:44 from the Greek shows both Father and Son to be Kurios (supreme in authority - God)
you false jw dolphinheart deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist

he who denies the Son does not have the Father
but not only in Matthew, you deny the Son in John 1:1 and in so many bible verses



you posted page after page, denials that you called God and the word "a two headed god"
saying all sorts of lies and confusion and accusing, twisting and so on

and you are doing the same thing with Jehovah meaning God, denying it, when it has been shown
that YAHWEH means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

and you are doing the same with there being two kurios's in Matthew 22:44 in the Greek,
denying it when it was shown that there is



and it was shown that "kurios" means supreme in authority - God

and you go on and on trying to prove it not true because one of the kurios refers to Jesus

he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son
if you have not the son you have not the Father also

a/c dolphinheart, remember, your whole world ha is watching you

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

That describes you to a T

if you have not the son you have not the Father also

you call the Son "a god"
Father calls the Son "God"
John calls the Father and the Son "God"
so to Thomas, Stephen etc. etc. call the Son "God"

you say there are two god's, almighty god and mighty god
I could go on and on with these truths just as you go on and on with your lies smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
you refuse to answer the question.
^^^
No. 8, The Latest false jw dolphinhearts reply to false jw dolphinhearts replies smiley
is this one well? Read More



No.1
dolphinheart:

you refuse to answer the question
No.2
dolphinheart:

you still refuse to answer the question
No.3
dolphinheart:

fact : you are still refusing to answer the question
No.4
dolphinheart:

you refused to answer the 4 questions!
No.5
dolphinheart:

you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
No.6
dolphinheart:

until you answer the question, I'll tell you : you refused to answer the question
No.7
dolphinheart:

lemme remind you the 7th time: you refuse to answer the question
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 3:21am On Aug 26, 2016
More on the Jehovah subject discussed by Jehovah Witness in this thread


What is God's name

God's divine name יהוה (Hebrew) or YHVH (Modern English equivalent), has been the subject of much discussion and debate throughout the centuries. Most Hebrew scholars prefer Yahweh (ancient pronunciation) or Yahveh (modern pronunciation), but it is never translated this way in most bibles. In the King James Version the most common translation is LORD (6510x), but in other places, especially where it appears with the actual title "Lord" (Htr. adonai), it is translated GOD (305x). In four other places it is translated "Jehovah" (Exodus 6:3 KJV; Psalm 83:18 KJV; Isaiah 12:2 KJV; Isaiah 26:4 KJV), and in a further three places it is translated "Jehovah" in compound names (Genesis 22:14 KJV; Exodus 17:15 KJV; Judges 6:24 KJV). Everywhere in the Jehovah's Witnesses bible it is translated Jehovah. So what is God's name? It is important that we find out, because God is seeking for people to worship him "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23), and we cannot do that if we call him by the wrong name. To call him by the wrong name is an insult, so we need to investigate this. This study is a thorough analysis which proves that God's name, YHVH or YHWH in the Hebrew, is not Jehovah. Let us first examine the history of how these different translations came about.

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@ bold, yes it is very important to call God by His right name.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
More on the Jehovah subject discussed by Jehovah Witness here

YHWH cannot mean Jehovah Read article

Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
Because Jehovah Witness is discussing the meaning of Jehovah in this thread
I also will post on it.


YHWH means: The only self existant God

The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

http://www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:42am On Aug 26, 2016
brocab:
And who's going to believe a lair and a false prophet.
he thinks, the whole world smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:41am On Aug 26, 2016
The word Jehovah has become a major reason Jehovah's Witnesses believe they are the only religion worthy of salvation. These articles show this cannot be so, since the Organization has had to change the words of Jesus and the Bible to support this concept.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:18am On Aug 26, 2016
dolphinheart:
if you could provide the info I asked for , [size=16pt]we[/size] will know if you are telling the truth or not!
dolphinheart:
[size=18pt]HOPE YOU NOTICED[/size] THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.
lie lie dolphinheart

now now false jw, you should stop speaking to the whole world cheesy like this

showing them your inability to accept the truth
and showing your inability to stop lying, what will they think of you
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
simple request was made, pls show us the Greek text of that verse, you refuse cus you know that the Greek word "kurios" does not appear twice in the Greek text of that verse!
lie lie dolphinheart

Of course your post is the same repeated lies etc

I have taken the trouble of copying and pasteing the greek of Matthew 22:44
one word at a time, for my pleasure at showing up your lies yet again one more time

from the e-Sword KJV with Strongs dictionary:

ho kurios epo mou kurios kathemai ek mou dexios heos tithemi sou echthros sou hupopodion/pous

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

of course kurios is used for both instances of Lord refering to Father and Son,
as has been said, and as you lied many times, including in your above quote saying it is not in that verse twice.

dolphinheart you way heap very big lie lie
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:00am On Aug 26, 2016
[size=14pt]Does the Watchtower say the Bible teaches the Trinity?[/size]

by Matt Slick

The Watchtower organization claims to be the Faithful and Discreet Slave spoken of in Matthew 24:45.

"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization," (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981.) (See the quote in context.)
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p.

This Watchtower organization, the faithful and discreet slave, claims to be the means by which God communicates His truth to us in this world. Therefore, by deduction, what the Watchtower says is truth. Alright, let's take a look at one quote from the Watchtower.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you are still repeating your same old twisted confusion,
lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible,
not accepting what is said to be true because there is no truth in you, false accusations and lies etc.
and showing what appears to be mental instability with posting even the same posts and the same things over and over again
lying is natural to you, and you think others are the same

I repeat the truth to your same repeated over and over again lies:

You say Yahovah doesn't mean God, and you post many posts to try and prove it

You say kurios doesn't appear twice in the greek for Matthew 22:44 even when shown it does

You are antichrist, denying the truth about the Lord

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son
Matthew 22:44 from the greek shows both Father and Son to be Kurios (supreme in authority - God)
you false jw dolphinheart deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist

he who denies the Son does not have the Father



you posted page after page, denials that you called God and the word "a two headed god"
saying all sorts of lies and confusion and accusing, twisting and so on

and you are doing the same thing with Yahovah meaning God, denying it, when it has been shown
that Yahovah means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

and you are doing the same with there being two kurios's in Matthew 22:44 in the Greek,
denying it when it was shown that there is



and it was shown that "kurios" means supreme in authority - God

and you go on and on trying to prove it not true because one of the kurios refers to Jesus

he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son
if you have not the son you have not the Father also

a/c dolphinheart, remember, your whole world smiley is watching you

Perhaps relevant to false jw's posts Read Article
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 11:39pm On Aug 25, 2016
dolphinheart:
lemme remind you the 7th time: you refuse to answer the question
is this one well?
Read Article

The Latest:
No.7
dolphinheart:

lemme remind you the 7th time: you refuse to answer the question
No.1
dolphinheart:

you refuse to answer the question
No.2
dolphinheart:

you still refuse to answer the question
No.3
dolphinheart:

fact : you are still refusing to answer the question
No.4
dolphinheart:

you refused to answer the 4 questions!
No.5
dolphinheart:

you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
No.6
dolphinheart:

until you answer the question, I'll tell you : you refused to answer the question
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 2:11am On Aug 25, 2016
[size=14pt]Regarding the Trinity, Jesus, Adam, and immortality of the soul[/size]

Jehovah's Witness misrepresent the Trinity

"Never was there a more deceptive doctrine advanced than that of the trinity. It could have originated only in one mind, and that the mind of Satan the Devil." Reconciliation, 1928, p. 101.

"The doctrine, in brief, is that there are three gods in one: 'God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost,; all three equal in power, substance and eternity." (Let God Be True, 1952, p. 100, here they misrepresent the doctrine of the Trinity).

"Ask the student, 'How many Jehovah's are there?' Let him answer. The answer is obvious that there is only one Jehovah . . . If he is one Jehovah, then could he be three gods, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, as the Trinitarians teach?" (Watchtower, April 1, 1970, p. 210, again, the Watchtower misrepresents the doctrine of the Trinity).

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
Christians say Trinity is three persons in one God
false jw unashameably lie and claim trinity is three god's in one person:

“Christendom has copied the heathen, pagan nations of Asia in teaching that God is a trinity, three Gods in one Person.” Watchtower 1962 Apr 15 p.235


false jw unashameably lie
like teacher, like student

like their god, like their teacher, like student
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:55am On Aug 25, 2016
[size=14pt]Should "Jehovah" appear in the New Testament?[/size]

Although YHWH appears almost 7,000 times in the Old Testament, it never has been found in any New Testament manuscripts. The Watchtower reasons that the word Jehovah was originally in the New Testament, but removed without trace. This undermines the integrity of the entire Bible. By adding the word "Jehovah" to the New Testament in the NWT, the Watchtower changes the meaning of key Christian Scriptures.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


you posted page after page, denials that you called God and the word "a two headed god"
saying all sorts of lies and confusion and accusing, twisting and so on

and you are doing the same thing with Yahovah meaning God, denying it, when it has been shown
that Yahovah means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

and you are doing the same with there being two kurios's in Matthew 22:44 in the Greek,
denying it when it was shown that there is

Q. what christian would wan't to try and prove that Yahovah doesn't mean God?
A. no Christian would

and it was shown that "kurios" means supreme in authority - God

and you go on and on trying to prove it not true because one of the kurios refers to Jesus

he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son
if you have not the son you have not the Father also

a/c dolphinheart, remember, watching you is the whole world smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
until you answer the question, I'll tell you : you refused to answer the question
is this one well?
Read Article

The Latest:
No.6
dolphinheart:

until you answer the question, I'll tell you : you refused to answer the question
No.1
dolphinheart:

you refuse to answer the question
No.2
dolphinheart:

you still refuse to answer the question
No.3
dolphinheart:

fact : you are still refusing to answer the question
No.4
dolphinheart:

you refused to answer the 4 questions!
No.5
dolphinheart:

you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:43pm On Aug 24, 2016
brocab:
Because you have chosen not to answer any questions, then this subject is closed.
dolphinheart:
you can close the subject using any reason you all, the thread has exposed why you can't answer those questions, contradicting brotherhood!
the whole world cheesy knows lie lie dolphinheart is the one who has been exposed
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses Cult Exposed! by johnw74: 8:05am On Aug 24, 2016
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

the Word Jesus Christ is the exact image and equal to God
Can anyone be equal with God other than another person who is also God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

only God can equal God

God = God
man = man
10 = 10
and so on
etc. etc.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 6:11am On Aug 24, 2016
Rutherford introduced the distinguishing name Jehovah's Witnesses. This is discussed in the Watchtower 1931 September 15 and October 1. Rutherford used Isaiah 62:2 as his principle reference.

Isaiah 62:2 "And you will actually be called by a new name, which the very mouth of Jehovah will designate."

https://www.jwfacts.com/images/w31_cover.JPG

This was poor choice of Scripture as just 2 verses later the name given is not Jehovah but Hephzibah.

Isaiah 62:4 "but you yourself will be called (Hephzibah RSV) My Delight Is in Her."

cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 4:49am On Aug 24, 2016
[size=14pt]The Name Jehovah's Witnesses[/size]

By means of Watchtower publications, Russell initially directed his adherents to be considered followers of Jesus. It was only later, under the leadership of Rutherford, that attention was shifted to Jehovah. The term "Jehovah's Witnesses" was not adopted until 1931. Although the word Jehovah defines the Watchtower Organization in its current form, the significance of the use of the Name and the name Jehovah's Witness was not introduced until over 50 years after the formation of the Watchtower Society.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
https://www.jwfacts.com/images/Jehovah%20Paradox.jpg

More on Trinity soon, and also false jw lies which leads to twisting and confusion, lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible, false accusations etc.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 4:23am On Aug 24, 2016
[size=14pt]Trinity[/size]

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that God is a Trinity and use this as indication that they alone worship truth. However, in order to support their Arian based doctrine, Watchtower inaccurately defines the Trinity, resorts to misquoting sources, and fail to acknowledge the large number of Christians that do not worship a Trinitarian God.

This section does not propose to solve a 2000-year debate on the nature of God, but rather show the inaccurate statements and misleading methods the Watchtower uses to support its teaching.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:58am On Aug 24, 2016
solite3:
your brother said " things" was added to the scriptures by translators.

It seems you guys are following your mental reasoning.

"All other things"

This is a clear contradiction.

The bible says "All things" but you says all other things.
This is the exact way Satan deceived eve by twisting God's word.
JESUS IS JEHOVAH GOD

you can deny it but you can deny facts.
Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All Bibles that I have seen interperit eph 3:9 and col 1:16 as "all things"


except the false jw bible which says "all other things"
so as to support their satanic doctrine that the Word Jesus Christ didn't create all things but was Himself created

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
if you could provide the info I asked for , [size=14pt]we[/size] will know if you are telling the truth or not!
You could not possibly know the truth, no matter what was provided, you have been blinded
and I am not interested in proving truth to a/c dolphinheart and [size=14pt]we[/size] the whole world, smiley I'm interisted in showing up some of your many lies and your true colors, haven't you noticed that yet, duh

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

your posts are your usual twisted confusion,
lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible,
not accepting what is said to be true because there is no truth in you, false accusations and lies

you keep asking for screen shots, websites links, etc etc
and all because lying is natural to you, and you think others are the same

you can believe what I say, I won't be wasting more time posting screen shots etc which you ask for, and then when provided you ignore them,
what a huge phony jw you are, you are exactly like your god

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


You say Yahovah doesn't mean God, and you post many posts to try and prove it, ummmmm

You say kurios doesn't appear twice in the greek for Matthew 22:44 even when shown it does

You are antichrist, denying the truth about the Lord

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son
Matthew 22:44 from the greek shows both Father and Son to be Kurios (supreme in authority - God)
you false jw dolphinheart deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist

he who denies the Son does not have the Father, and oh how it shows lie lie
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:18am On Aug 24, 2016
dolphinheart:
the truth: you have refused to answer the question!
now now don't burst out crying

is this one well?

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johnw74:
dolphinheart:

you refuse to answer the question
dolphinheart:

you still refuse to answer the question
dolphinheart:

fact : you are still refusing to answer the question
dolphinheart:

you refused to answer the 4 questions!
dolphinheart:

you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
johnw74:
Matthew is translated from the Greek "kurios" (God)for Father and Son
,

Psalms is translated from the Hebrew "y'hovah" for Father and "adon" for Son, both mean God"
dolphinheart:
the bolded above are lies that cannot be supported with facts.
The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God,
But the facts were given, "kurios" is used in said verse for the two instances of Lord,
and I showed where Yahovah means the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God,
but you keep lying oh false accuser






johnw74:
To Christians, Yahovah is God, but to you the name doesn't mean God
and it is also true that your jehovah is not God, bat a false god, as your Jesus is a false Jesus
and your holy spirit is not god, not even a person of god, but just a force-a thing
dolphinheart:
"the bolded above are lies that cannot be supported with facts.
duh, nothing is bolded, and Yahovah is God to Christians
and by your own words you say Yahovah doesn't mean God
so just what is a lie?
that your jehovah is a false god, and your jesus is a false god
well that's true as you call the word Jesus Christ "a god" when there are many Bible verses showing that Jesus is indeed God, and those that don't have the Son don't have the Father either
and your holy spirit is not God but a force, a thing, while there are plenty of Bible verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, and is God.
So no there is no lie there, except for your false accusation.


dolphinheart:
did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.
dolphinheart:
did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.



did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.
ha ha, lie lie, repeating your lie three times and twice in the one post won't make it come true
you have said "kurios" isn't in said verse for both instances of Lord
I said it is, Here is your quote and my reply:

dolphinheart:
the word "kurios" that you put twice in bracket above [size=14pt]cannot be found twice[/size] in the Greek text of that verse, plus show us the full Greek text of that verse where you found yours as twice written?
lies lies and more lies, no I didn't put them there, the ancient Greek writers did

you have been blinded, here is the verse from the KJV with Strongs Commentary numbers:

Mat 22:44 TheG3588 LORDG2962 saidG2036 unto myG3450 Lord,G2962 SitG2521 thou onG1537 myG3450 right hand,G1188 tillG2193 I makeG5087 thineG4675 enemiesG2190 thyG4675 footstool?G5286 G4228

You may notice the number for both instances of Lord is the same (G2962)
that number represents the Greek "kurios"


above and below is the Strong's Greek dictionary [size=14pt]for the two instances[/size] of "kurios" in Matthew 22:44, which you lied saying "kurios" wasn't in the Strongs for that Matthew verse:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Strongs used "kurios" for both instances of Lord in the Mathew verse, you such a lie lie





That's your quote and my reply and as you can see,

you said "kurios" cannot be found twice in said verse

I showed that the two instances of "kurios" for lord are in the verse

you false jw dolphinheart lied, and then accused me of lying
a double whammy lie lie from you
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
looks like bro and doc have seen that it's useless
trying to show anything to such a confused lie lie

who could blame them

as for me I'm not interested in teaching satans disciples anything
I do like showing up some of the lies though
and to show some who might not already know, the true colors of false jw

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

false jw's blaspheme, saying the Word - Jesus christ is "a god"
that God and the Word is "a two headed god"
that the trinity is three gods

they say they are JW's, and are not, but are the church of satan
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 3:34am On Aug 23, 2016
dolphinheart:
has the Kjv translated the same hebrew word as "lord" in one verse and as "Jehovah in another verse in the same book of psalms? Yes!, it is not a lie!, and that fact is what is confusing you!



you say so.


these words are true:
Aug 19, page 10, 12: 34 am , you said :
The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God
on Aug 20, 1:20am , page 10 of these thread, you said :
as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

I replied you with this words : [b]"I do believe , do you?, how did you come to know the father is supreme in authority God?
is the father's authority over that of Jesus in heaven? Yes or no?"


you sid not answer the question, but your reply was : (2:43 am, Aug 21)
I understand how you are unable to stop lying, it is your nature to lie
I said "kurios" means "supreme in authority", and refers to both Father and Son in said verse, which you questioned
stick to the subject, I know you want to weasel out of it through doing the twist

if the word "god" was not removed, I wonder what was!


but you refuse to direct or provide a link to where you got the strongs definition of "kurios"



Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus has told me the father is the only true God, and I believe Jesus words, do you believe Jesus words or you prefer to add another person to who Jesus described as the only true God?

Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,



good, it points to words, not that it points to word.

The part you cut off cus it exposes you and you could not counter or explain it:
1. haha, so you want to use those group numbering to show "kurios" appeared twice in that verse, what an irony!
your case would have simply been shown if you had simply posted the Greek text of that verse, but since you have read the verse and seen the truth, you decided to not to show us the Greek text and use its group numberings.

let me bust your bubble, I'm going to follow your dubious method , I'll show you 3 verses in the kjv which a word their have same numbering in the strong numberings. will also show you how the kjv translated that number differently.

strongs:
acts 12: 22 And G1161 the people G1218 gave a shout, G2019 saying, It is the voice G5456 of a god, [colorblue]G2316[/color] and G2532 not G3756 of a man. G444
kjv:
Ac 12:22And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

strong: acts 28:6
Howbeit G1161 they looked G4328 when he G846 should G3195 have swollen, G4092 or G2228 fallen down G2667 dead G3498 suddenly: G869 but G1161 after they G846 had looked G4328 a great while, G1909 G4183 and G2532 saw G2334 no G3367 harm G824 come G1096 to G1519 him, G846 they changed their minds, G3328 and said G3004 that he G846 was G1511 a god. G2316
Kjv:
Ac 28:6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.


look at the two examples given above, same number (G2313) is translated as "a god" by the kjv
Now let's look at this same number in john 1: 1 and see how the kjv translated it!

In G1722 the beginning G746 was G2258 the Word, G3056 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 with G4314 God, G2316 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 God. G2316
Kjv:
Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


JOHNW74, YOU CAN SEE YOU NUMBERING EXPLANATION DOES NOT STAND SCRUTINY!,
there are only two conclusions, it is either the numberings represent a group of words(more than one word) or the same word has different meanings. whIchever you agree with, it will not help your false doctrine. no wonder you could not post the Greek texts.

2. I challenge to provide where you got G2962 or kurios to be defined as god like you posted above. pls direct us to where you got such info from.

3 . did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.

4. using the same logic you tried to use , let's examine psalms 110: 1 again :
James Version ( KJV )
¶ Psa 110:1 [[A Psalm H4210 of David.]] H1732 The LORD H3068 said H5002 unto my Lord, H113 Sit H3427 thou at my right hand, H3225 until I make H7896 thine enemies H341 thy footstool. H1916 H7272

imagine! different numbers for same word!,johnw74 why?


haha, okay , pls post a screen shot , and tell us the name of the two e bible


you copied and pasted the definition of "kurios", pls direct us to where you copied it from!
Your two posts are so confused and twisted, and lies and false accusations reign there
but I will give you just a few facts again




Strongs Dictionary says Yahovah means
the everlasting, the eternal

in another word, God


Dictionary. com says
Yahovah means
I AM that I AM
the self existant God

you see lie lie, again Yahovah means God

Yahovah means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

but to you lie lie Yahovah doesn't mean God
that's ok with me, I understand that

To me Yahovah means God, keep crying over it




And just as you used very many words, confusion, lies, and false accusing to try and show that yahovah doesn't mean God, you also used very many words, confusion, lies, and false accusing to try and show that Strongs "kurios" isn't used twice in Matthew 22:44

Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

From the Strongs Dictionary, copied and pasted here:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

And of course, because kurios referred to the Son as well as the Father you lied saying that "kurios" doesn't mean "supreme in authority" or "God"

And because you are such an habitual liar, you think others lie as you do, and asked me to give a screen shot, obviously because you think I am lying as you do lie.
here it is below:
and as I said I cannot copy and paste a whole verse but only one word definition, but the number G2962 shows you that the Greek word for both instances of Lord is the same word "Kurios"

false jw dolphinheart you are a huge lie lie

Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 3:32am On Aug 23, 2016
dolphinheart:
typical, politicians use this tactics , when you can't defend facts, you try to find fault with the other too, as if such allegations will absolve you of your faults.

This is what I posted,it was cut off to hide the facts their :
"[b]let's look at psalms 110:1 the KJV says:
King James Version
Ps 110:1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
did you notice that in the KJV, Lord was used twice in that verse?
now is the Hebrew word for Lord used twice in that verse, the answer is no!
The Kjv has altered another hebrew word to mean " lord" in addition to the original hebrew word for "Lord" that occurs in the that verse.

to give this alteration traction, they decided to put the altered hebrew word in fully capitalised form so as to show the difference between the 1st and the second"lord", which has been traslated from an hebrew word that does not mean "Lord" when translated to English!
To emphasise the confusion of these translation, one of the Hebrew words translated to "Lord" in psalms 110: 1 is now translated to "Jehovah" in another verse(psalms 83:10)
While the King James Version most often translates the tetragrammaton (which occurs in the Hebrew scriptures 6,828 times) as "LORD", this verse has one of the several occurrences in which it is translated as "JEHOVAH".
The translation of the hebrew word as "LORD" in psalms 110: 1, and as "JEHOVAH" in psalms 83:10 and other places has created this confusion that johnw74 is battling to explain. If the Kjv had left the word the way it is instead of translatING it as "lord", this confusion might not have come up.
That the hebrew word translated and fully capitalised as "LORD" is not the same hebrew word translated as "lord" in the same verse should have given you a clearer picture!

This are the following facts:
1. The Hebrew texts of psalms 110: 1 contains only one Hebrew word that is translated as "to my lord" or "to my master"
2. The second Hebrew word " the tetragammaton" is translated as "Jehovah " or "yahweh".
Now to probe further into johnw74's confusion , the King James Version says :
1Ki 1:37As the LORD hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.
the Kjv used the Lord twice here, was it referring to the father and son,? definitely no!
does calling the second person "lord" make him God ? definitely no!.

I asked you but you did not answer:
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.
It has been proven to you that "Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” is the correct translation of psalms 110:1
read: www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/psalm110_1.html[/b]"


"the bolded above are lies that cannot be supported with facts.
The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God,
the word traslated as God :
elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God
source : biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm
Jehovah is the name of God that the isrealites worshipped , it is not the meaning of God.
"

Jehovah is the name of the almighty God, Jehovah does not mean God.
example: John is the name of a man, John does not mean man
Gabriel is the name of an angel, Gabriel does not mean angel
Samsung is the name of a phone, Samsung does not mean phone


continue!


1. The Kjv know it's Yahovah right!, but they decided to alter it to "LORD", it's such alteration that's confusing you. You know it's "Yahovah", but you alter it to "lord"

2.you yourself have now confirmed that their are two different words found in psalms 110:1, is Yahovah and adon the same word ? no , then why have you translated it to the same word in English!

3. did any of the translators say Yahovah means God? no , they say it's the name of God.
you yourself corfirmed it : (a)"Yahovah" is the name of God,
(b) yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord.[/b]
had to scratch that part off cus once again, you are trying to alter what the scholars told you.


you mean all the places where "adon" occurs in the hebrew scriptures it means divine?
Secondly, the Hebrew word found in psalms 110:1 for "Lord" is not "adon"

biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/110-1.htm




the greek word "kurios does not occur twice in that verse.


plus tell us or direct us where you got this from?
see my post below
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
you refuse to answer the question
dolphinheart:
you still refuse to answer the question
dolphinheart:
fact : you are still refusing to answer the question
dolphinheart:
you refused to answer the 4 questions!
dolphinheart:
you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
now now don't burst out crying smiley

is this one well?

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