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^^^
yes Jesus knew He was God, and He knew that being stripped of His Godly glory
and becoming a human, that the Father was His God, as the Father is the God of all us human believers

just to add two more

Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

false jw say 1 John 5:7 is mistranslated, but even they believe the Father is God
and if it was mistranslated which I don't believe it was
there are verses showing that the Word is God
and there are verses showing that the Holy Ghost is God
so 1 John 5:7 if mistranslated or not, is true.

brocab:
You complain John74 is twisting the scriptures-how can he be? because {1 Corinthians 8:6} says it as it sounds-Yet but for us there is but One God the Father from whom all things came, and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
So which is it? Through whom we live, Jesus or God? Or both? Don't forget there is only One God..

bro it's amazing how false jw hate the truth
they have some knowledge, but of the wrong kind
they are told what to believe and what even to say

some people call that kind: zombies

Barristter07:
johnw74



You can't twist anything here , there is no such thing as one God mentioned at john 1:1 , I have gave you a solid evidence at 1 Corinthians 8:6 where the One God is mentioned.

show me the underlined in the Bible ? " one God " must appear . or you lack such evidence ?

lie lie barristter

duh, so unbelievable
John 1:1 tells that God and the Word is God
John is ofcourse talking off the one true God lie lie
or do you think John is saying God and the Word was some god, other than the one true God

there is only one God lie lie, one true God that is, and I needed to add - clarify that to such a twister of words - to such a lie lie

Jas_2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


you lie lie so blind:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you so wrong many times in your every post

Barristter07:
johnw74




Cry baby , you still can't differentiate between a statement and a quote ! hehehehe . .


and with all your education, you are yet to know a misquote doesnt occur without a quote of the person in question . mis- QUOTE ! so where is the quote ( " " ) I misquoted ?

none !


its much fun reading your post here .

keep it coming !

it's a weird fella that thinks it's fun to be shown up for his lies all the time
but you just lie lying again

here's some more of your lies, which twisting and playing on words is


lie lie barristter

you continue to twist and play with words and grammar
and all to avoid that you lied about what Jesus said
you lie lie, misquoted Jesus
you gave book chapter and verse to Jesus quote
and then misquoted Him so as to get a diffrent meaning to what Jesus said

Jesus: "the only true God"

lie lie barristter: "ONLY the Father is the true God"




our Lord Jesus Christ never taught "ONLY the Father is the true God" as you lied of Him

Christians know the Word is also that one true God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie barristter misquoted Jesus, you lied about what Jesus said

such a big lie lie post after post

oake:
This is an interesting topic. The whole concept of Christianity and the NT is incompatible with some concept of the Almighty Father and contradicts the words of 'Yah' as espoused in the OT. For instance, in Exodus 4:22-23, it is written: "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Someone now asks: "How could Israel be God's first-born son (Exodus 4:22-23) if Jesus is God's one and only son (John 3:16)?".

but.......
scriptures say this.

*Deuteronomy 30:11-12*
11 For this commandment which I command you today is >>>not too hard for you<<< or too distant.
12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, “who will go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, and proclaim it to us, that we may do it?”

So as we can clearly see that scriptures say in Deuteronomy 30:12 that the law is not in heaven.

This kills the lies of the Roman written New Testament that:

1. Yashua / Jesus is the law.
2. That he came down from heaven to teach us how to live the law.
3. That the law was too hard to keep.
4. That you need Yashua / Jesus to keep the law.

So that means the word or law did not become flesh and walk amongst men like the NT said.

You see how the NT strictly contradicts the words of Yah.
Methinks, to continue to follow the NT is an act of rebellion against Yah and what he says. There should be no complication.

I don't know of one roman writer of the new testament

Jesus came to teach us we only need to live by faith

the law was to hard to keep, who was able to keep it besides Jesus?

the word did become flesh and walk among us

you must feel at home in these forums, there are plenty of antichrists here.

Jozzy4:
John 20:17 , Jesus Father is Our Father!


dont misunderstand been one ... for example @ 1 Cor 3:6,8 , Paul and Apollos are one . does this mean Paul is apollos ? No , and vice versa.

this reveal that when Jesus said his Father is our Father , he meant it . he was actually reffering not to himself because he said " My Father " .



the stupidity of your idea is that it actually present Jesus as the Father of himself .

The stupidity of your idea is that you have no idea
you don't understand anything that's said
and that's why your replies are so confused.

duh, false jw

solite as you can see jozzy has no understanding at all
just confusion

those things he asks you in his confusion have already been answered and he doesn't see them
it's all confusion to joz:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jozzy4:
Lolzzzzzzz , Jesus is the Father of all ?

The Father of all cannot have a Father, but pls Jesus have a Father ? Yes or no

duh, false jw so without brain

The Father of all - God, does not have a Father
the Word become man - the son of God, does have a Father

and ofcourse you cannot understand having the wrong spirit, and listening to those fallen angels that visit witchpower headquarters

read my reply to lie lie barristter: https://www.nairaland.com/3084290/debunking-trinity-logic/2#47770682

Barristter07:
johnw74




You said Jesus is THE FATHER of all. only for you to later say " Jesus and THE FATHER are two different persons "




can you now see that you are saying NON sense ?

lie lie barristter

no, but I can see you have no understanding

Jesus is the Father of all because God and the Word is God
Jesus is the Father of all because He made all, nothing exists that He did not make
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

but I know you can never understand not having the Spirit

Barristter07:



if Jesus is the Father of All as you claim , why is he never addressed as " OUR FATHER " ?

the person addressed as " Our Father " is clearly the father of everyone including Jesus .

duh lie lie, Jesus stripped himself of all glory and became a man:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus considered Himself equal to God, just as John said: God and the word was God
Jesus is God in the flesh, He became man, the Son of God, that's why He wasn't called "OUR FATHER"

duh lie lie

udatso:
Isaiah 9 was a prophesy that HE WILL BE called The Everlasting Father. Is there any record of Jesus been called that in the Bible?

proverbs for one tells us the Word is from everlasting:
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Ephesians tell us there is one God and Father of all:
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Malachi tells us the one God created us:
Mal_2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
^^^
One Father, one God created us, God and the Word - one Father and one God

John tells us that God and the word is that one God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John tells us that Jesus made all that is made:
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Jesus is from everlasting

the one God is the Father of all

God and the word is that one God

the Word made all things, the Word - Jesus is the Father of all

It's not just Isaiah 9 that shows Jesus is the mighty God, the everlasting Father



Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Seun:
The early church was faced with a serious problem: How to justify worshipping Jesus without violating the Old Testament, which clearly says there is only one God and only that God should be worshipped. They could not say Jesus was just God in human form because clearly he was not exactly God: He referred to God as his father and prayed to God. They could not say that he was simply a lesser divine being either because that would mean that Christians worship more than one god, which is heretical to Jews. So they came up with this deviously clever doctrine.

Some close to Him needed no excuse to worship Him,
just a few examples


the Magi bringing gifts worshipped Him

Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts;

some of the women on their way to tell the disciples that Jesus was resurrected met Jesus and worshipped Him

Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Thomas worshipped Him saying "my Lord and my God"

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.



There is only one God, He is God and the Word John 1:1
there are many verses showing jesus to be God which I have posted in diffrent threads


by the way the sect that call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses believe in two god's
a mighty god (Jesus)
and an almighty god (Father)
now that is wrong doctrine and not Christian.


Yes God the Word became man, with God being His Father

Jesus prayed - talked to Father and vice versa

worshipping God and the Word who is also the one God, is not worshipping more than one god

God and the Word being God is not devious doctrine but scriptual.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Seun:
Understanding why the trinity doctrine was created, it seems pointless to argue about whether it makes sense. It wasn't meant to make sense. It was meant to harmonize two clearly incompatible things - the Jewish doctrine of one God, and Christians' worship of Jesus, and it succeeded.

I don't follow a trinity doctrine, but I agree with many things trinitarians say here,
I haven't read up on it or on any doctrines, my beliefs come from reading the Bible,
which is where true doctrine comes from

the sect called Jehovah's Witnesses got their doctrine from men,
and then wrote their corrupted book (bible) accordingly


I believe the Bible when it shows that God and the Word is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Barristter07:
@ Johnw74

am seriously laughing here,

Lie lie barristter

more lies ofcourse, you are close to crying

Barristter07:
I can see a person who cant think properly . with a very low comprehensive memory . I didn't mean to insult ,

you started out with one lie, and recently you have been lying in every post
and now you are lying multiple times in just one sentence, that's how it goes, lie leads to more lies, to more, and to more,
but I have to give you credit, it is easy for you

Barristter07:
but I just have to say the plain truth about you

ha ha the plain truth from lie lie barristter

Barristter07:
For now , it has been established that the misquote noise you are making is part of a strategy to evade crucial points of the discussion . again , as seen from the definition of misquote . a misquote doesn't occur until I quote the person in question ( " " ) . and evidence reveals I Barristter07 never quote Jesus ! even you Johnw74 bear me witness


" I never said you quoted Jesus " johnw74

now lie lie barristter

you got upset and said to me, where did I quote Jesus

that was yet another lie

and I replied I didn't say you quoted Jesus, I said you misquoted Jesus
which you did, and you have been lying ever since twisting and playing with words and grammar
to try and weasel out of your lies and misquoting.

Jesus said referring to Father: "the only true God"

you lie lie said: "according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3"

you lied that you were not quoting Jesus, but you even gave the book chapter and verse where Jesus said it

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


you lied about what Jesus said, you misquoted Him lie lie

Barristter07:
its good to have your silly responses trashed like this !

na, lies cannot do it, you trash yourself in your every post

Jozzy4:
hahahahabah, u agree with both A and B

pls show me that B from the scriptures

' For us there is one God, Father and son " . show me that from the scriptures ?

sure here is a Bible scripture that shows the one God is Father and son

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

wow you not to clever

Jozzy4:
Nice one Barry, but you are speaking with a confuse individual who lacks good comprehension . imagine him still shouting you misquote after confessing you didn't quote .

ha ha, talk about confusion and lack of comprehension,
but following lie lie barristter thinking he is clever will do that to you

solite3:
Jesus is my father, is him not your father?

Jesus is the Father of all because
He made all, nothing was made that He didn't make

ofcourse Jesus and the Father are two diffrent persons
but as we know, the one God
and as God He can be called Father as Isaiah for one called Him

Jozzy4:
next time , you will relax and comprehend the . the Op has proved with the scriptures that the one God is the Father of all , the question is : is Jesus the Father of all ?

ha ha it's funny how false jw's falsely accuse of what is true about themselves

yes He is false jw, I explained it in my post to solite and emusan and other Christians reading,
it's not for false jw's who are not interested in the truth, and I know that you and other false jw's
could not possibly be able to comprehend it with the spirit that's in you,
false jw isn't interested in the truth which goes against their satanic doctrines.

https://www.nairaland.com/3084290/debunking-trinity-logic/1#47712240

hopefulLandlord:
Even Christians are very confused

Each one saying they have a relationship with the holy spirit, yet they can't seem to interpret the BuyBull same way

This leaves some possibilities

1 Holy spirit lies to many people and tells the truth to a few

2 a few have relationship with the holy spirit

3 None of them have any relationship with the holy spirit, they are just using their brain to make stuff up and interpret it based on emotion

4 The BuyBull is a sham which they try to defend

number 2 is correct, not all who claim to be Christians are, such as the sect that call themselves Jehovah's witnesses
you can learn the truth about them Here if you want to.

More on appearing as angels of light at witchpower headquarters

[url=https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wmsdmva7u6kC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=angels+come+to+watchtower+headquarters+in+brooklyn&source=bl&ots=A4YAePTasv&sig=tljoaKhHGQc-M36AVWMpP6-Fs6k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsi5b1wIPOAhXMHZQKHURMDmAQ6AEIMjAF#v=onepage&q=angels%20come%20to%20watchtower%20headquarters%20in%20brooklyn&f=false]Read it here[/url]

Barristter07:
johnw74



You have never answered A or B!

Lie lie barristter

you once again falsely accuse that I never answered A or B
and then you quote my over 200 word answer to A and B
talk about being blinded

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you so big lie lie

Barristter07:
\let's check your initial reply you called response .



Rather than focus on the question and The statement in quote , you are searching for which is wrong. here

this therefore is not a reply . but a deliberate attempt to run from the question since you realize it will blow you up



this agrees with A " For us, there is one God the Father " do u choose A ?

that is not like your quote where you lied and misquoted Jesus saying
"ONLY the father is the true God", leaving no room for the Word being a person in God also

Jesus said concerning the Father "the only true God"
all your twisting and play on words won't make me forget your lies and misquoting Jesus,
nor will your repeating your same old lies over and over again as is a trait among false jw's, oh deceivers

our Lord Jesus Christ never taught "ONLY the Father is the true God"
you lied about what Jesus said, you misquoted Him.

Barristter07:
@ underlined, we are not discussing who is one Lord, so that's not an issues here

the verse doesn't say the son is the One God ... does it ?

once again , do u agree with A as the scripturally correct statement

" For Us there is one God , the Father " ?

yes I do and I believe the Word is also that one God, John 1:1 did you get that, one God, not one person

and " For Us there is one God , the Father " is not leaving out that the Word is also that one God
but your lie and misquote of what Jesus said: "ONLY the father is the true God" leaves out another person being that one God,
which the Word is, and so I agree with both A and B, however your quote doesn't agrees with either A or B

you don't believe the Bible and believe what your elders and what witchpower magazine tell you
your elders believe those fallen angels that visit witchpower magazine headquarters
telling them such things as: the Word is "a god", "the Savior of the World is "a god" "an angel"

you way big lie lie barristter

get yourself a lawyer, you would be in jail by now for perjury if this was a court room

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Barristter07:
Johnw74




@ bold , You are not intelligent , here is my full quote





the above reveal that you actually admit Only means Only one true God , which is why I went ahead to ask you the above question based on what you admit in the below quote



" Only true God means there is only one true God " johnw74

* But to evade the crucial point that question present , you replied saying I lied about Jesus words that its actually only true God not Only one true God { note that I didn't. quote Jesus at all here too }

- its either your opinion on which I based my question is wrong and my question is wrong .


OR

- your opinion on which I based my question is true which makes my question true too.

which exactly ?

lie lie barristter

wow you so lacking

yes "only true God" and "only one true God" is correct as I said, and it doesn't favour your misquoting Jesus as having said: "ONLY the Father is the true God", it goes against you

Barristter07:


" and that opinion I gave is true " Johnw74

only true God means only one true God , only one means sole one therefore disqualifying your Father and son theory . sole one not two.

"only true God" and "only one true God" is referring to God and not to persons, duh,
we know there is only one true God just as Christians know that God is God and the Word,
and you lie lie keep confusing God with the persons in God,
much confusion from you

Barristter07:
I won't blame you at all, I blame your lack of comprehension to read a post properly before replying to avoid all this embarrassment you are giving yourself.

ha ha, yes, how will I ever be able to show my face around here again after exposing this liar

Barristter07:
Johnw74



Good you confess this.

saved!

lie lie barristter


ofcourse I confess the truth: that Father is "the only true God"

I further confess the truth: that the Word is "the only true God"

there is only one true God and He is God and the Word

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


you lie lie barristter confess a lie and misquote Jesus saying He said: "ONLY the father is the true God"

you misquote Jesus and lie about what He said

duh, you not getting any brighter lie lie

Barristter07:
Johnw74



You are putting yourself in hot soup , it seems you don't know the meaning of " misquote " before you used that word.


misquote /mɪsˈkwəʊt/
verb
1. quote (a person or a piece of written or spoken text) inaccurately.
noun

2.a passage or remark quoted inaccurately.




the above reveals that before someone can be said to have misquote, such a person must have Quote the person in question.

and I asked you johnw74 on this same thread that , can you show me where I quote Jesus ? to justify your use of the word " misquote"

to which you, Johnw74 replied as at 1:22am on July 19 that:

" I never said you quoted Jesus " - Johnw74


with that statement , you nullify your accusations against me because a misquote doesn't occur until I actually quote the person in question . which you testified I didn't do .

Lie lie barristter

how you love to twist and play with words - lie, and get into grammar lessons, and all to avoid the fact that you lied and misquoted Jesus

the fact is Jesus said concerning the Father: "the only true God", which doesn't prevent another person being God also, such as the Word is

and you lie lie said: "ONLY the father is the true God" which prevents any other persdon being God, such as the Word is
you lied, lie lie barristter, and misquoted Jesus


you false jw cannot stop lying

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus can only be called the mighty God, the everlasting Father if he is God as John 1:1 say's He is

of course "a god" "an angel" could not be called the mighty God, the everlasting Father



And I have posted many verses showing that Jehovah is also referred to as mighty God, not just Almighty God
I have posted verses showing that Jesus is called almighty God as well as mighty God

Barristter07:
Johnw74



You won't find this funny I PROMISE YOU, if u fail to provide the evidence for your stated claim above .


419 , Show me Where I quote Jesus as saying " ONLY the father is the true God" ?

lie lie barristter

See how this deceiver works, first he falsely accuses me of saying he quoted Jesus when I said he misquoted Jesus, and he is angry at me over his own false accusation

then false jw twists and plays with words which is lying

Barristter07:
How can I misquote someone you said I didn't quote ?

you great big deceiver lie lie barristter

lie lie barristter

you have been trying to confuse matters by twisting and playing with words, which is lying
and which is what deceivers do


Jesus referred to the Father as being "the only true God"

you lie lie barristter claimed that Jesus taught "ONLY the Father is the true God"

Jesus said Father is the only true God and
John 1:1 shows the Word is also the only true God

there is only "one true God"
not, "Father ONLY is the one true God", lie lie

you lie lie barristter misquoted and lied about what Jesus said,
as you do with many Bible verses

so big a lie lie




Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Barristter07:
according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3

Hi solite and emusan,

and for other Christians reading, a few words on Eph 4:6


Eph 4:5 Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

verse 4 "One Lord" is speaking of the Lord Jesus, it is speaking of a person

verse 6 "One God" is ofcourse talking of God, not of persons in God

the one God is the Father of all
and God and the Word is that one God, John 1:1

The Word made all things, John 1:3
the Word is the Father of all




as the human person, Jesus is often called the son of God
as God He is called "everlasting Father" Isaiah 9:6, He is also called mighty God, and He is called comforter (Holy Spirit)

God and the Word is God
God is: the Father and the Son, and ofcourse He is the Holy Spirit, we know God is Spirit
God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit of course, God and the Word is that Holy Spirit




Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

God dwells in believers, it's not just His power that dwells in believers
God dwells in believers, and we know also
the Holy Spirit dwells in believers
God dwells in believers, the Holy Spirit dwells in believers
the Holy Spirit is God.


God - God and the Word, is the Holy Spirit

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Barristter07:
Johnw74



Am really surprised at the above all in a bid to evade the crucial point ONLY ONE presents , you mean am a liar because I write Only one true God .

are you ready to admit that makes you a liar too, because what I wrote was actually in response to your explanation that

" only true god" means there is only one true God " johnw74



Based on the above , will you judge yourself by the same Law ?




Who did Jesus recognize as the Only true God ?

lie lie barristter

yes of course you are a liar for misquoting what Jesus said, for adding to His words

for a barrister you are not very smart, you misquoted Jesus, you lied about what he said, you added to His words.

as far as me lying, no, I wasn't quoting Jesus, I was giving my opinion, and that opinion I gave is true.

you far big lie lie
but you way big not clever also

Barristter07:
Still expecting your response !



To help your level of comprehension. I will ask again , this time in a manner u will be able to comprehend.




which of these two statements are scriptural


" For us , there is ONE GOD the Father " - (A)


" For us , there is ONE God, the Father and his son" - B

A or B ?

lie lie barristter

of course you lie again, but that's just you speaking naturally
and you play that silly false jw game again where I answered your questions
and you lie over and over again and say I did not
search back I think it's only one page back maybe two not that hard for a barrister
even I could find it in a few seconds.

I did answer and have told you that two or three times now but false jw loves to lie in every post

johnw74:
lie lie barristter

@bold, I did indeed answer but you are now lying in your every post, false jw true colors are easily seen
I was going to say you must stop lying like that, and then of course I realized that's impossible.


I told you lie lie, but you have been blinded and have no comprehension of what I said

Barristter07:
Johnw74



You couldn't provide evidence and went further to showcase some foolishness . you know I told you u won't find it funny at all if you can't provide evidence

" I never said you quoted Jesus " - Johnw74 statement *1

" I said you misquoted Jesus " - johnw74 statement *2



Olodoooo, John bull my son .. I send you to school, you don't know how to spell your " you know the rest ..

How can I misquote someone you said I didn't quote ?

lie lie barristter

you misquoted Jesus lying about what He said, adding to what He said,
you are using typical false jw twisting and playing with words which is lying,
and all to avoid the truth, in this case that you misquoted Jesus, you lied about what Jesus said

Jesus said: Joh_17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

you lie lie barristter said: "according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY the Father is the true God - John 17:3"

@green, and what is that confusion, I pointed out you cannot even spell "barrister" let alone be one
what is it I cannot spell, such secrecy, is it "gona" or "debil" you don't like, too bad

@blue, no really I find you very funny lie lie, pathetic actually, but your confusion and lack of intelligence is funny

Jozzy4:
The Op asked a Simple question : is Jesus the Father ? Answer na !

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Jesus is often referred to as the Son, but not only as the son, I have posted many scriptures showing that Jesus is God
God is: God and the Word, John 1:1
Isaiah say's Jesus is the "everlasting Father"
and you false jw joz don't believe the Bible
and you know less than even lie lie barristter if possible, going on memory.



Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.