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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:08am On Jun 28, 2016
false jw dolphinheart is so entrenched in his lie that he couldn't get out of it if he wanted too,
and we know he don't want too.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:53am On Jun 28, 2016
brocab:
Wait I will ask dolphinheart or any of the other JW's if any of them are interested?
So this is the get rich plan, that many of our brothers are already seeking, does the new tithing system, or does the Catholic Church-or lets say any organisation that collects money come under the Illuminati too?
Call brotherhoodcult and tell him you can sell him the Empire State Building cheap,
he will fall for it. cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:48am On Jun 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
haha, convert on Nairaland? jehovahs witnesses don't accept that kind of conversion.
false jw's are not here to get converts
they are here to be ugly, to exercise their natural wolf nature,
we knew that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:44am On Jun 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
you have reverted back to your first false accusation again
Lie Lie dolphinheart, I have never gone away from my true accusation that you called god a two headed God, not once, but you cannot help but lie in every post.


copied and pasted from false dolphinheart's post concerning God and the Word (bold is mine for emphasis)

your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:06am On Jun 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
you could quote part of the post, but you could not quote all,why? cus quoting all will expose you.
I've asked you to quote the full text, that you could not do!, if you want to post a link , pls point to the post you are referring to . the date and time and page, I've given you several examples of how that can be done. do so , so that everyone can go there and read my post!



and yet you could not post where you responded to my explanation!, why is it hard for you to do !


you can see for yourself, that you don't care about the rest of my poSt is probably why you do not understand the post.
but I don't believe you, cus you have refused to post the full text , which shows you understand it , but you are trying to hide it's salient points.
why should I give you proof of your allegations, if you feel your allegations are true, pls provide proof by quoting those posts of the two issues at hand !


haha, convert on Nairaland? jehovahs witnesses don't accept that kind of conversion.
did I deny what I said ? no! , I'm just asking you to post the full text of what I said , so that everyone can see!



you have reverted back to your first false accusation again , pls provide us with the full text of the post where I said " God is a two headed god "
secondly pls provide us with the post where you responded to my explanation .
false jw dolphinheart repeats the same lies and confusion over and over again even though his lies have been adressed more than once.

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mental Health

In 1949 Dr. Pescor found that 8% of his
total examples of jw's were classified as
psychotic. This meams the level of
psychosis among witnesses is about 40
times higher than the rate for the popu-
lation as a whole.

read it here:

on jw mental health:
http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/jws-mental-illness-john-stedman.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

verse 3, eternal life is knowing the Father [size=14pt]and[/size] the Son,
the Son said of His Father "thee the only true God", and indeed He is, as is the Word:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

verse 5, Jesus had the Fathers glory in Heaven, and does again now
Jesus Christ has the Fathers own glory


G1391

δόξα
doxa
dox'-ah
From the base of G1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literally or figuratively, objectively or subjectively): - dignity, glory (-ious), honour, praise, worship.
Total KJV occurrences: 168

Before the World was, the Word - Jesus Christ had the honour, praise and worship that the Father had,
and the Word - Jesus Christ again now has that honour, praise, and worship that the Father has.

God and the Word is God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
http://reasoningwithjws..com.au/2010/05/my-letter-to-governing-body-of-jehovahs.html?m=1

I was going to read from that site, and I'm sure there is a lot of factual information there, but I stopped near the beginning where the writer said this (in red)



[size=16pt]Reasoning With Jehovah's Witnesses[/size]

This Blog is designed for Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) that are questioning or have questioned some of the teachings of the Watchtower organization. The purpose is not to be apologetic nor to slander or put down JW's. They are wonderful people. While JW's do have some Bible truths (the state of the dead and paradise earth) they are missing some vital truths. We will analyze the JW's view of blood and other doctrines. I will show Biblical reasoning points to share with your JW family or friends.


Wonderful people don't follow a false jesus rather than Jesus Christ, John the apostle who Jesus Loved said the Word is "God", false jw change God's inspired word and say: He is "a god"
wonderful people don't don't have a lying nature
wonderful people don't call Jesus Christ "a god"

and on and on

there is nothing wonderful about satans disciples.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
1.have you been able to post the full text of that post? no
2. have you been able to show us your post where you responded to my explanations no !

they will say anything else , but to show you this two things above, THEY WILL REFUSE!
they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god" or did you not accuse me of saying such ?
1. Lie Lie dolphinheart, you know I gave a link to it, brocab saw it and everyone else too, false jw dolphinheart cannot do anything other than lie.
2. Lie Lie dolphinheart, my post is following yours, go take a look, but you already know that, false jw dolphinheart just cannot help but lie.

I don't care about the rest of your post, I'm only interested in the part where you said god is a two headed god.
If you want to repost your post and my post that answers yours then do it, why you keep asking me, pretending like they don't exist?

false jw dolphinheart has now started page 100, of his preaching false jw lies, and also more lying and denying of what he knows he said smiley
100 pages and no converts, but instead false jw's have shown many by their lies and false accusations etc, that they are indeed not God's people cheesy they do a great job here at Nairaland Forums, pity they don't go door to door like that, but that's the wolves in sheep clothing disguise.

You certainly did say God is a two headed god, just because you don't believe God and the Word is God doesn't alter that fact that you said it. And the Bible say's that God and the Word is God, and you can't wriggle out of that and twist things all around like you keep trying to do.
Go have a look at it again, you know where it is, here it is from me again:

Lie Lie dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word:
your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!.
^^^
and that's a copy and paste from Lie Lie dolphinheart's post, isn't it false jw dolphinheart
(bolding mine for emphasis)



see more lies from the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites:

http://jwfacts.com/

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 7:43am On Jun 25, 2016
brocab:
Opp's did dolphinheart make a mistake once again-I am not interested in trying to read around your excuses, my only focus was on {1 John 5:20} and as clear as day, the scripture tells us who Christ is. By means of His Son Jesus Christ "This is" {Meaning Jesus Christ} is the true God and everlasting life. John didn't say "that is the true God" and everlasting life-John said "this is the true God"and everlasting life.
{1 john 1:2} This everlasting life was with the Father. So who is John talking about?
It won't matter to me dolphinheart what you have written, it's already written. either you believe it or not.
Trying to deny it' because what other disbelievers had said this verse "could be" a mistake-won't change the scripture, and trying to break the scripture down won't support you at all, You had written this scripture down, because at the time dolphinheart you had believed it, this is the truth.

Every true Christian knows the bible is Spiritual, and everything that comes from the bible is from God. Trying to work it out from your own minds won't give you any understanding about the bible.
{Jesus had already told His people how to gain this information, one must be born again before he/she could enter into the kingdom of God}
Their is no back door into heaven.
And because I had brought this subject up, you felt, by trying to break the scripture down comparing it with other scriptures, you may have a case against {1 John 5:20} Well dolphinheart all I can say is 'you are walking up the wrong path-this scripture say's it all, '1 John had explained it as it sounds, In His Son-Jesus Christ-this is the true God and everlasting Life.
And who is the one who gives the everlasting life {Jesus Christ} No-one comes to the Father accept through Him.


[size=18pt]It shows God can speak through anybody-He even spoke through one of your ancestors a donkey-so nothing surprises me.[/size]


Trying to defend yourself in front of all your comrades, just shows you are either terrified that the rest will judge you, because you believed in {1 John 5:20} at the time. Maybe you are afraid your comrades will send you back to the bottom of the classroom, and you will have to be retrained once again, until you learn how to be a professional liar like the rest of the Watchtower believers are proven to be.
Don't try and fight against it dolphinheart-God had spoken through you, so the rest may fear, the Lord God is One. Stand straight and don't look back, you wrote this verse because you believed it.
{1 john 5:20} For we know the Son of God has come and Has given us understanding, so we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is True, in His Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and everlasting life.
{1 John 1:2} "This everlasting Life was with the Father.
{John 14:6} I am the way and the truth and the life no-one comes to the Father accept through Me.
You should try and read it from the 1611 bible, it gives you a clear view how the scriptures should sound.

Whom Am I writing too? Everything I had written explaining to you between the Tithes and Taxes you are still having trouble to understand any of it?
Jesus didn't pay Tithes in His own country nor in someone else's country. Nor was He happy to pay Taxes, when He visited Capernaum.
Does this sentence tell you Taxes and Tithes are the same "No" So why do you keep on repeating I am telling you the Taxes and Tithes are the same meanings. Completely different' but they worked on the same principle, they both had a percentage added to them.
Ha ha, I like the humour you throw in every now and then.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
johnw74:
John said in 1John 5:20 that the true God "is eternal life"

John shows 1John 1:2 "that eternal life" is Jesus

John again shows in John 14:6 that "the life - that eternal life" is Jesus.


Also you see that in 1John 5:20, we are in the Father and the Son.

Just as the Father and Jesus is in us:

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.
Jesus showing His Apostles that He is the Spirit of truth, "He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.":

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Paul showing believers that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

It can be seen that the Father and the Son is God, the Holy Spirit.

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.




Jesus is the Spirit of truth, verse 17

the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, verse 9

the Spirit of truth shall be in you, verse 17

the Spirit of God dwell in you, verse 9

Christ is in believers, verse 10

the spirit of the Father dwells in believers, verse 11
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:21am On Jun 25, 2016
johnw74:
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John said in 1John 5:20 that the true God "is eternal life"

John shows 1John 1:2 "that eternal life" is Jesus

John again shows in John 14:6 that "the life - that eternal life" is Jesus.


Also you see that in 1John 5:20, we are in the Father and the Son.

Just as the Father and Jesus is in us:

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:22am On Jun 25, 2016
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:53am On Jun 25, 2016
Lie Lie dolphinheart

false jw's are entrenched in lying, they use all means known to lie.

read it here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
well they must find an excuse for
1.not being to post the post where I made the statement
2. not being able to show where the responded to my explanation!

they will say anything else , but to show you this two things above, THEY WILL REFUSE!
they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god" or did you not accuse me of saying such ?
Lie Lie dolphinheart

of course you said, god is a two headed god

God and the Word is God John 1:1

you false jw said concerning God and the word:
"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."
Lie Lie dolphinheart keeps repeating the same lies over and over again, to bro and sol as well,

you big fraud fella.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
brocab:
Dolphinheart had finely admitted he believes in {1 John 5:20} Just look at my last post to Him, and read down the page. He wrote it so he must believe it.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

I and many agree with you bro, a sentence like the bold usually refer to the immediate person mentioned, and that Is Jesus Christ in this case.
John and other Bible writers show in many places like this one, that God and the Word is God as in John 1:1, the Spirit is needed to see them.


Albert barnes Commentary snippets:
(1) the grammatical construction here favors Christ being the true God mentioned. Christ is the immediate antecedent of the pronoun "this"

(2) this construction seems to be demanded by the adjunct which John has assigned to the phrase “the true God” - “eternal life.” This is an expression which John would be likely to apply to the Lord Jesus, considered as “life,” [end]



Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is the life, the eternal life as in 1John 5:20 and the true God referred to in that verse, along with the Father.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)




By the way, "this" like "it" is a pronoun and as can be seen, "this" is used for "the true God", pronouns can be used for animals and persons as well as things. John didn't say, "He is" the true God, he said, "this is"

Just a little grammar lesson for some, who won't believe it, hell they don't even believe the Bible, the Truth is not in them, they love to believe a lie.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:31am On Jun 23, 2016
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
v

Lie Lie dolphinheart
said concerning God and the Word:
"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."
^
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 11:41am On Jun 22, 2016
Jozzy4:
Kid, according to your example . next time someone asks is that your Father , just say " yes It is " . And see how your awesome Dad will discipline the silly part of you
Lie Lie jozzy

Now don't go upsetting yourself like that, there's nothing wrong with being an it,
just look at cousin it, it doesn't upset itself, that it's an it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 5:37am On Jun 22, 2016
Q. is that gooknews' Father?

A. Yes it is.

Well it makes sense doesn't it, with gooknews being an it,
that his Father would also be an it smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
Another example:

false jw dolphinheart said concerning pharisee jw gooknews: "is that your girl friend jozzy"?

to which confused jw jozzy said: "yes it is"

again gooknews is an "it" smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:34am On Jun 22, 2016
confused jw's are so dumb they have been preaching their religion for 98 pages in this thread alone,
and no one believes them.
How would anyone believe them when all they see is false jw's throwing their hate, lies, and false accusation all around the place at others. They are seeing the real false jw.


Duh, you true colors showin boyz an gels, alwaze
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
another example:
Q. is that gooknews lying to jozzy?
A. Yes "it" is.
gooknews is an it cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
goodnews201668:
grin grin grin grin grin grin

At bold.
blind jw gooknews also showing his lack of English grammar knowledge
the blind following the blind, of course.

Truly only another false jw could follow confused jw jozzy
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:25am On Jun 22, 2016
dolphinheart:
well they must find an excuse for
1.not being to post the post where I made the statement
2. not being able to show where the responded to my explanation!


they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god"
No end to Lie Lie dolphinheart's denial and lies,

false jw dolphinheart repeats the same lies over and over again, of course.



Lie Lie dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



It seems unbelievable that one who denies and lies so many times about what he knows he said, can call himself a Jehovahs Witness, there in shows the evil of that sect.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:11am On Jun 22, 2016
Jozzy4:
grin imaginary examples, height of blindness.



can't you see that your assertion contradict your conclusion @/blue ? u need serious help

false teacher , the Father is never called an " it" , ur example just showed your English teacher did a very bad job or maybe you are the dull student, who knows ?

yes , he is . that is the grammatically correct answer .

if you want to know how silly you sound, the next time someone said , is that your Father ? just say " yes it is " , man so u can use it for your father ?? johnw74 , false teaching is killing you. using an imaginary example only further show that ur teaching is false.
Lie lie jozzy

your confusion and non understanding is showing in your every post
and your English grammar is just as bad
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:07am On Jun 22, 2016
Jozzy4:
false teacher , spirit of God is not Jesus . Job doesn't say so, you are just too blind
Lie Lie jozzy, as blind as a bat

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jozzy4:
Jesus said the spirit of Jehovah is upon me , did he meant that another Jesus is upon him ?
God and the Word are two persons, one God
blind jw jozzy will never see it
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


No one can say that Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost


Lord
G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Many would appreciate that it wouldn't take the Holy Ghost to call Jesus, Mr, master, or sir,
but to say He is God, does take the Holy Ghost.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
Also from Adrian in above link:

● They (jw's) do not and will not worship Jesus Christ as Lord, when this is clearly presented in scripture

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/worshipJesus.htm
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:46am On Jun 21, 2016
Lie Lie dolphinheart

More on the sect that call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses

Former Jehovah's Witness Testimony
Adrian
I am an ex Jehovah's Witness Who was Born Into The JWs


My name is Adrian. I am an ex Jehovah's Witness now serving God in faith and truth from my heart, drawn towards God because of a love for Him owed to the fact He loved me first.

I was born into the JW religion/cult, but as I grew older my family left them.unam sanctam ex cathedra As the years went by I met, who is now my wife, Lynn. The JW’s were frequenting her mother’s house and my friends house. Hence, I got drawn back into the only way of serving God I knew. An avid reader and very studios person by nature, when I do something I do it right or not all. I began to read the very old JW literature by Rutherford and Charles Taze Russell.

I began to find some very unusual thoughts and beginnings to “God’s chosen mouthpiece on earth,” which I tried not to dwell on too much assuring myself I was with God’s chosen people. What I noticed was:

● The date for the fall of Babylon etc. was understood by Charles Taze Russell by measuring a pyramid! (Incidentally, his grave is indeed a pyramid.)

● Russell also taught leviathan is a locomotive and

● God lives on a star with the angels.


continued here: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/adrianxjw.htm
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74:
Christians read the Bible to get their belief.

false jw write their bible according to their man made beliefs from watch tower etc.


Bad Translations of the supposed Jehovah's Witness Bible, the New World Translation:


In Genesis 1:1-2 they have changed the correct translation of " . . . the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters," to say " . . . and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters."

They took out "Spirit of God" and put in "God's active force", because they don't believe that the Holy Spirit is alive.




In John 1:1 ...."and the Word was God, " false jw changed to, " and the Word was a god."
so as to deny the truth of Jesus being God.




Changing, taking away from, and adding to God's inspired word is truly an evil thing, and of course is from satan.

everything about false jw is false:

a false jehovah

a false jesus

a false holy spirit

a false bible

etc.


Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

false jw add to His words, and He reproves them, and they are constantly being found liars.

read about it here: http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/bad-translations-jehovahs-witness-bible-new-world-translation
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:44am On Jun 20, 2016
Did Jesus Ever Say He was God?

Jesus quotes - is Jesus God? Investigate these interesting claims...

Others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."1
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."3

But what did Jesus say about himself?

Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of the statements he made.

continue a good read : http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whodoyousay.html
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:40am On Jun 20, 2016
pharisee jw say that Jesus Christ is not God, for one thing, because He didn't say exactly: "I AM GOD", Duh



I AM - Jehovah:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The Word - Jesus Christ
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Commentary from e-Sword:

I am: That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence, as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense, instead of the past tense, from its being in answer to the Jews, who enquired whether he had seen Abraham, and from its being thus understood by the multitude, who were exasperated at it to such a degree that they took up stones to stone him. The ancient Jews not only believed that the Messiah was superior to and Lord of all the patriarchs, and even of angels, but that his celestial nature existed with God from whom it emanated, before the creation, and that the creation was effected by his ministry.

Carm org commentary:

Notice that Jesus says before Abraham was born (using the past tense), and then he switches to the present tense when he says "I am." Jesus switches tenses of the verbs on purpose, so that when he does so in the context of referencing Abraham, Jesus is clearly drawing the Jews' attention to the Old Testament Scriptures and then using a present tense form of the verb "to be" by saying "I AM.


We know that Jesus is God in flesh because the Bible tells us so.

John 1:1, 14, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . 14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 20:28-29, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.'"

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