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Syncan:
Was the Psalmist Praying?

I answered italo's post look for it, I'm sure you only see what you want to see.

Syncan:
Naaah, He "understandably asked the Father that request three times that night, and not all at the same time". Do you even understand this guy?

You blasphemously say Jesus prayed repetitiously when Jesus himself said that type of praying is off the heathen.

italo:
Was the psalmist praying?

Simple qweshion!

simple question which i answered you at length, and showed what a dil you are, look for it.

Syncan:
His name is daddy.

Mocking the LORD.

italo:
And praise is not prayer?

Who is your "pastor" or G.O?

You blasphemously say Jesus prayed repetitiously and now you are dodging it.

Syncan:
Since Jesus did not pray "Our Father" in the garden, so he didn't pray abi? SMH. We that say "our father" nko? You start to count how many we say in order to decide if the number was ok...or we have to add more.

Aha, at bold, No he didn't, he was teaching them in Sunday school or Catechism class to Praise God. Lol. Or reminding them maybe....lest they forget.

Yeah, and was he praying?

Just more confused rubbish.

italo:
So Jesus did not repeat the same prayer 3 times?

You blasphemously say Jesus prayed repetitiously while Jesus Himself said that kind of prayer is of the heathen.

italo:
Jesus also told you that we should not say any other prayer...or that we must never repeat the Our Father abi?


Oh! So the Psalmist doesn't need the Angels to praise God for him, he was only telling them to Praise God. But the Angels need the psalmist to tell them when to praise God abi...l

Very importantly, you dodged the question, as expected.

Was the psalmist praying or not?

What you said here is just confused garbage.

as far as dodging your question on the last page, I answered it before reading this post,
"as expected"....who would dodge you?

italo:
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In the anti-Catholic mind: if I say the Psalmist was not praying, I will sound silly. If I say the Psalmist was praying, it would mean the Catholics are right to ask for intercession. I will rather beat around the bush or change the topic.

Psa 148:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psa 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

I suppose you think the psalmist was praying to the sun and moon too.

Psa 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

The psalmist was writing his thoughts, on this ocassion about the LORD deserving the praise of all of his creation.

Psa 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

Read the whole psalm and who knows, you might understand?

italo:
Ha! Syncan! It seems that we Catholics (Jesus, the four living creatures and us) don't know how to pray.

What are we going to do? See below.

Matt26:44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.

Rev4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[b]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

The Angels never stop praising God, saying day and night "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty"

good on them.

To God it is praise,
to you it is repetitous praying.

also see this: https://www.nairaland.com/2411104/how-jesus-reacted-worship-mary/2#35474607

Syncan:
Hahahaha, now he asks how saying Our father is the right way to pray. Did Jesus tell you how many times you should say it? Just take a look at the bold, do you know you just said that Jesus did not pray well in the garden of Gethsemane? lets see what happened there Matt. 26:44 "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Did you see that Jesus spent his time in the Garden saying same thing? Yet you have the audacity to tell Jesus that "Prayer isn't reciting same thing over and over again". Ok, make I just dey observe you.

Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Jesus understandably asked the Father that request three times that night, and not all at the same time, and you say blasphemously that He was praying repetitiously, when Jesus Himself said that type of prayer was of the heathen.

Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, now he asks how saying Our father is the right way to pray. Did Jesus tell you how many times you should say it? Just take a look at the bold, do you know you just said that Jesus did not pray well in the garden of Gethsemane? lets see what happened there Matt. 26:44 "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Did you see that Jesus spent his time in the Garden saying same thing? Yet you have the audacity to tell Jesus that "Prayer isn't reciting same thing over and over again". Ok, make I just dey observe you.

Thank you for agreeing that the Psalmist told the angels and the hosts to praise the Lord. At least it means you agree that angels and hosts can pray, for praise just like supplication are forms of prayers. If any one can Pray, such a one can praise, such a one can Petition, such a one can supplicate for another. The Psalmist asked them to praise the Lord, why? for he the psalmist feels the goodness and greatness of God, so he is simply telling them to Praise God for him, just same way some people (not you) asks their brethren to praise God for them. What is wrong with that, it is scriptural not so? Was the psalmist praying in that passage or not.

Twisting what I said may make you feel good but it doesn't help you at all.
Jesus gave an example of how to pray, that is what He was asked,

Our Father who art in Heaven....We pray to the Father
Hallowed be thy name.... we acknowledge His Holyness
Thy Kingdom come....we show we long for his kingdom
Thy will de done on earth as it is in heaven...we acknowledge He is in charge
Give us this day our daily bread....we ask Him for our needs
forgive us our trespasses as we forgive our debtors...we ask for forgiveness of sins, we don't ask man.
lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil....ask his protection
etc.

I say again the psalmist asked the angels and other Heavenly beings to praise God,
he didn't ask them to praise God for Him, the psalmist is very capable of doing that himself.

MizJanet:
If your commonsense is working , you will have known that proverb 8:24 declares jesus as CREATED .

some non pearls, just common sense:
If you had common sense which you keep showing that you don't,
you would have looked up the Hebrew word for "I was brought forth" to find out
what it means before saying what it doesn't mean.

"I was bought forth" in Proverbs 8:24 concerning the Word of God, is not the same Hebrew word as "bought forth" in Psalm 90:2 concerning mountains.

CAPTIVATOR:
^^
Brother, whats the big deal in psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 that you cant explain , honestly, You dont need all this emotional outburst , a christian should be calm in all situations . This is too harsh and not Christlike

You pander to sects and atheists, likeminded people.
Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.


MizJanet is antibible:

MizJanet: Lol, you christians always amuse me with quotes you yourself dont understand in your own bible

And that same lord write in your bible that he ....

I will advise you to get a knife and cut our proverb 8:24 from your bible ....

She doesn't believe the Bible yet she uses the Bible to try and discredit Christians.


MizJanet doesn't believe on the Christian Jesus and talks against Him,
MizJanet is antichrist:

MizJanet: @underlined , so Noah made the heavenly places without Jesus dying for his sin grin , do you now see that the death of ur Jesus is useless ?

.... U sucessfully prove that the death of your Jesus is useless ....

.... old testament saints make HEAVEN without your Jesus

malvisguy212:
Christians often cite Psalm 14:1 as a
rebuke of atheists.However,the Hebrew
word translated "fool" doesn't have the
same connotations as the English word.
The passage actually says that we are all
foolish.

Psalm 14:1 is the verse that a lot of
Christians like to quote to atheists,
believing it is a rebuke of their atheism.
However, if we look at the entire
passage, we see a different picture:

Psalms 14:1-3: The fool says in his heart,
"There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. (2) The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. (3) All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Christians usually only quote the first
half of Psalm 14:1, as if it is a slap in the
face to atheists. Is this really a verse
against atheism?

FOOL'S CHARACTERISTIC.
The second half of verse 14:1 says "They
are corrupt, their deeds are vile." At first, you might think that the "they" are those who disbelieve in the existence of God.
However, the end of verse 14:1 says
"there is no one who does good." One
might still think that the verse is referring to atheists. However, Psalm 14:2-3 make it clear that as God looks down on all people, He can find none who are not corrupt, emphasizing it with "not even one."

The Hebrew word translated "fool" is
nâbâl, which is an adjective having the
meaning of "stupid, wicked" or "vile
person." It comes from the root verb
nâbêl, which means "to fall away,"
"figuratively to be foolish or (morally)
wicked" or "causatively to despise,
disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour." So, the
Hebrew word nâbâl refers more to bad
moral character rather than just being
stupid. He is foolish because he thinks
God will not notice his bad behavior.

In the case od Psalm 14:1 the person is a fool mainly because he-she doesn't believe in God,
and not just because of bad behaviour.
Psalms 14:1 The fool says in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

WHO IS THE FOOL?
The passage makes it clear that God can
find nobody who does good or even tries to understand God's ways. From God's perspective, not one person attains His standard of moral behavior. So, God sees all of us as fools. We all like to compare our behavior to that of others. Example!! When I was still a sinners(atheists)I was morally superior to most Christians. However, I was still not measuring up to God's moral code.

HOW TO MEASURE UP.
Unless you think you can lead a perfectly moral life, God has a solution for your problem. God's solution is to allow you to trade your moral imperfection for the moral perfection of Jesus Christ. The trade is accomplished through faith in Jesus' sacrifice as payment for your sins. The offer is really generous, but will cost you your self-righteousness. No, you can't remain an atheist either. As the psalmist says, you must "seek God."

CONCLUSION
The fool says there is no God. But, he is
not foolish because he is an atheist

That's a contradiction.

, but
because he thinks he can get away with
bad moral behavior. Psalm 14 goes on to say that all people are corrupt and there is not even one who does good. So, God says that we are all immoral fools. It is only through faith in Jesus Christ that we He can measure up to the moral perfection required by a Holy God. So what the verse is saying is DON'T BE A FOOL AND THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN.

Atheists are fools for not believing in God, God's inspired word says so.
Just read MizJanet's posts and see for yourself.

CAPTIVATOR:
But you are the reason this Lady is mocking christians

Do you know anything? miz came to these forums especially to attack the Bible and Christians
before I ever replied to her.

.... is proverb 8:24 and PSALM 90:2 writen by atheists ? Why call those two scripture an athiest lie ?

k

Bible verses are not written by atheists, miz is atheist, do you understand anything?
miz atheist was joined by jw in her lie that I could not tell her,
when the Truth is I would not tell her:
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Are you blinded to even simple one line sentence?

do you say MizJanet is not antichrist?

Syncan:
So that's why you couldn't respond to a simple " Hope you're doing ok" from a Catholic. Well done o.

I am glad that even the poster you hailed, mentioned that the Lord's Prayer is said a number of times in that particular devotion he chose to attack. Catholics direct their prayers to God, they even call on their brethren on earth and in heaven to pray to God, sometimes in supplication, sometimes in praise and thanksgiving. When they say Psalm 148 for example they say ""Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" This is prayer isn't it? Yet it calls on angels and saints to pray to God. Same way when they say the Hail Mary, they call on Mary to pray to God, "...Pray for us sinners..." they say.

@bold,
How does saying an Our Father after saying 10 hail marys make it a right way to pray?
Prayer isn't reciting the same things over and over, prayer is talking to God, having a conversation with Him.

Christians have a personal relationship with God, they don't pray to human beings who have died to pray to God for them.

@underline,
the psalmist tells the Angels and Heavenly host to praise the Lord,
the psalmist did not tell the Angels and Heavenly host to pray to God for Him,
a big difference.

italo:
Insecure protestants...always demonizing the Catholic Church in a bid to gain relevance.

Yet the Catholic Church keeps waxing strong while they keep splitting to millions of "denominations" with contradictory doctrines.

As does satan in the world,
for now

CAPTIVATOR:
^^
Brother, whats the big deal in psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 that you cant explain

of course jw would agree with atheist lies

also miz is against the Bible, she is against Christians, do you say she is not antichrist?

, honestly, You dont need all this emotional outburst , a christian should be calm in all situations .

what do you know about honesty, there is no emotion just the truth, you see darkly.

This is too harsh and not Christlike

rubbish, it is Christ that said it:
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

MizJanet:
Lollllsss , but you could cast pearls before swine by explaining a bible verse to me sayin " fool in that verse refers to male and female" . U could explain that , ryt ? but explaing proverb 8:24 no, no , . No . Lol But Deep down within you, u can guess what that verse means . That is very very very very very goood .

"fool in that verse refers to male and female".......is no pearl just common sense which you didn't have to understand it.

* there must be something special about that verse , which keeps u runnin from explaining it. Dont worry , i will continue to corner you with that verse anytime , anyday . *

there is something very special about it, a pearl of great value which you will never have.

Praying is not reciting the same prayers over and over again,
praying is talking to our Father as if we were talking to another human close by that we Love.

We thank God for the things he does for us, we ask Him for things we need,
we praise Him, and so on, like we were talking to someone near us that we Love,
only we don't have to talk out loud, but in our minds.
Best at a quiet time, perhaps when resting with no distractions.

We have a personal relationship with God Who we Love and Who Loves us
He is not someone Who is far off.

The rcc rosary is saying the hail mary 10 times followed by the our Father
then another 10 hail marys followed by .... and so on.

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Christians pray directly to Father God.

pamodulus:
Believe whatever makes you happy.

Christians believe what is true.

MizJanet:
So , what will be your answer to psalm 90:2 mountains were BROUGHT FORTH ? That ur god is a woman who born them or that they were created . Waiting ...

You are so dumb, you think you can make me cast pearls before mizpiggy
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine ....

* If paul was a religiotard like you , he wont have spoke with the greek philosophers in anthens, greece , i guess he is casting pearls before swine and disobeying Jesus, ryt ?

You are wrong yet again, many loved Paul's teachings in Athens, they were not all antichrists as you are antichrist.

Lol, your problem is that you are fully aware that any attempt to explain Psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 will expose you in a seconds .*

You are so dumb you think you can shame me into casting pearls before mizpiggy.

Syncan:
(Ex 23:1)- You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

(Prov 19:9)- A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

(1Pet 2:1-2) - So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation... to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ...

The vatican - papacy is babylon the great as Anas09 said

The woman of rev 12 is Christianity, this woman off rev 17 though is the rcc

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

cardinals and bishops are arrayed in purple and scarlet colour

priests have golden cups full of bread wafers and wine which they claim is turned into the body and blood of Christ

the rcc murdered followers of Jesus.

Look it up.

Syncan:
Pay no attention to them and ask no more, it was predicted long ago... "So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus". Rev 12:17

The woman is Christianity, not the rcc,
when satan failed to destroy the early Church,
he then used the newly formed papacy to persecute true Christianity.

Look it up.

MizJanet:


Question: churchman, explain Psalm 90:2 "Mountains were brought forth" does it mean mountains are born like a woman or it mean they are CREATED

Churchman : lol, it mean they are created

Question : that proved Jesus was created too since he was also "brought forth " proverb 8:24

Churchman: hmmm


*truth hurts* just admit it

You lie, that would not be my answer
and me wouldn't go against Jesus in throwing pearls before the dog's and swine
you know that

MizJanet:
Of course boy, u dumb . we girls aint dumb like you .

I quote this for reference @ bold , before u accuse others of badmouth . Always remember you are worst than them .

But it's the truth, you are dumb, it shows in much of what you say.
The truth hurts you I know, but to bad, you are habitually rude to Christians.
My harsh truth is nothing compared to eternal fire.

You give plenty and you cannot take a little - weak.

MizJanet:
The bolded part full of badmouth are kept for reference purpose .

But you are deluded calling yourself a Lady,
a lady doesn't use the bad language that you do.

*proof that Religion is filled with pretenders and hypocrites*

But Proverbs 26:11 does refer to all fools male and female, O brainless one.

The truth does hurt you doesn't it,
and you are self rigfhteous on top of everything else.

Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me (wisdom) findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,....

MizJanet:
WHICH Truth ? , am suprised this is coming from someone who cant counter any of my threads .

@bold, the truth that you replied to, boy you dumb

johnw74:
jw & rc friendly to atheists like miz, and argues with Christians
shows the spirit in them.

emelia:
@all,please read proverbs chapter 8 very Well..the chapter is clearly talking about wisdom"..verse 1 "does not wisdom cry..." verse 12 "I wisdom..." verse 15 "by me(wisdom) kings reign and decree justice" verse 22 "the Lord possessed me(wisdom) in the beginning of his way,before his works of old..can the Lord possess Jesus?..proverbs 8 v 24 still talking about wisdom said "when there was no depths,i(wisdom) was brought forth.."

John shows that Proverbs is concerning the Word
Who became Jesus Christ.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the
beginning ....

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God ....



Rejoicing, laughing, being happy, before Him.

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;


we may rejoice in wisdom, but wisdom itself cannot rejoice.