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Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Gods Are There, One Or Many? by johnw74: 12:43am On Jun 28, 2015
ifeness:
From what?
What I meant was if you could read between the lines is that my Lord
does not need protecting.

ifeness:
Which of the lords are you protecting ? Slave
Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Gods Are There, One Or Many? by johnw74: 12:27am On Jun 28, 2015
ifeness:
Which of the lords are you protecting ? Slave
No He protects me
Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Gods Are There, One Or Many? by johnw74: 12:20am On Jun 28, 2015
Medicis:
1 John 5:7New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
That's a good verse for this thread,
we know that God is one through scriptures,
and that verse shows that the one God is the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit.
Good verse for trinity threads too.

Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Gods Are There, One Or Many? by johnw74: 12:10am On Jun 28, 2015
ifeness:
How do you feel about your explanation? You need to seek for real knowledge mate and not this crap a lil baby will laugh at.
Who do you think you are fooling?
only enemies of the LORD laugh at the Bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Understanding Of The Sabbath ? by johnw74: 11:02am On Jun 27, 2015
Yes God's weekly sabbath is the seventh day, Saturday:

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Gods Are There, One Or Many? by johnw74: 10:50am On Jun 27, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
How many Gods are there, one or many?

cf. Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8 and Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; 1 Cor. 8:5; I John 5:8

One God:

"Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!" (Deuteronomy 6:4).

". . .Before Me [YHWH] there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me" (Isaiah 43:10).

". . .there is no God besides Me" (Isaiah 44:6).

". . .And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none" (Isaiah 44:8.)

Many gods:

"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . . .'" (Genesis 1:26).

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil . . . .'" (Genesis 3:22).

"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other" (Genesis 11:7)

"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" )" (1 Corinthians 8:5).

"For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement" (1 John 5:8.)

The Holy Scriptures tell us that there is only one God in all existence (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8.) However, it also mentions "other gods so, how many Gods are there, one or many?
There are many gods,
but here is only One True God:

Jer_10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

The other person in Genesis 1:26, Genesis 3:22 and Genesis 11:7 that you mentioned, is the Word

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Vain Repetition? by johnw74: 1:51am On Jun 27, 2015
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

But when ye pray, use not repetitions
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions

There is no diffrence between praying with repetitions,
and praying with vain repetitions, the later is just showing that praying with repetitions is vain.
Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by johnw74: 12:04am On Jun 27, 2015
eighTHREAD:
can you prove they are a cult?

Pls do.
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

by Matt Slick

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.



Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire Biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.

Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim).

Continue reading here:
https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian
Christianity Etc › Re: Q & A: Why Christians Will Miss Rapture: Part 1 by johnw74: 2:19am On Jun 26, 2015
Zoharariel:
Unfortunately, the only kinda rapture that will take place is a Nuclear Armageddon.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed;
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
Christianity Etc › Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by johnw74: 3:19am On Jun 25, 2015
Have a look at this:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah, if the thing does not follow nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah has not spoken....

If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Share. by johnw74: 2:41am On Jun 25, 2015
Another name for Him is: Salvation

The Hebrew word for Salvation is "YESHUAH" and that's also the name of our Lord


Salvation
H3444

יְשׁוּעָה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Total KJV occurrences: 78

Don't be confused with the word "feminine"
that is just to do with Grammar
Christianity Etc › Re: What A Mighty God. by johnw74: 2:08am On Jun 25, 2015
Yes what a Mighty God we have, even Almighty God
Christianity Etc › Re: The End Is Near. by johnw74: 1:07am On Jun 25, 2015
Dnarvaez:
Gone are the days when truth is openly advocated for.
Blessed be whom that seeth not but believeth on thy words of Jehovah - ruler of the universe.
For it is written : The hearts of men are hardened unto the great prophecy.
Will you post that verse here pls
I can't find it
Christianity Etc › Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 9:44am On Jun 24, 2015
Ubenedictus:
and Jesus said to some humans,

whasoever you forgive is forgiven!

Go and argue with him.
You posted to me concerning my post of 11 days ago

Ubenedictus: lol,

Do you have a forked tongue?

and Jesus said ....

Go and argue with him.
go and get a brain
Christianity Etc › Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74:
Ubenedictus:
lol,

first you admit Jesus gave men the power to forgive sins then you go futher an say men have nothing to do in d forgiveness of sins just God.

Do you have a forked tongue?
Christians take their sins to God
however rc take their sins to man
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 10:11am On Jun 21, 2015
paulGrundy:
Stop quoting trolls, they are intent on derailing threads. They don't have anything meaningful to contribute to conversations. Your report button is not there for decoration use it.
You practically invited him here

paulGrundy:
By the way, where is BERNIMORE?
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 2:29am On Jun 21, 2015
BERNIMOORE:
Paulgrundy impersonator, I watch you shamefully adding the word 'not' to your sentence today so as to make your sentence read another meaning[, after I have busted your intention to use johnw74 in a fight directed at you! I think johnw74 will be wiser not to join issues with you because You can see now that you are a fraud! Just on this thread you demonstrate that! But can't you see that I have already quoted your sentence before you added 'not' ole! grin grin no wonder you can't reply me till now before secretly adding 'Not'grin grin
You never called me Yooguyz

so why would paulGrundy say you did?

leaving out "not" is just a mistake he made in typing out his post
which he fixed after you pointed it out

I'm interisted in those other things you said though

Bernimoore: remember that night you had with your fathers assistant pastor in SA, bam!!! He let you loose, and here you are living your life as a woman in a man,s skin
Bernimoore: I forget you did not (1) deny your gay status nor deny having an unnatural man to man soddomy with your fathers assistant pastor, (2) that you are an impersonator on nairaland, true or false?
Could he secretely be a happy little vegemite??
Christianity Etc › Re: What You Didn't Know About The Bible!!! by johnw74: 3:12am On Jun 20, 2015
RicardozRichard:
1. Jesus never mentions homosexuality.

2. There are two different, possibly contradicting
creation stories in Genesis
Verses 1:1–2:3 uses the Hebrew word elohim for God
and depicts God creating the world in seven days.
Verses 2:4–24 uses the Hebrew word yahweh for God,
and has God create Adam from dust and Eve from
Adam's rib. Most scholars attribute this to independent
sources which were combined to create the Torah.

3. The Bible actually is the best-selling book in the
world.
Bravo
It's sold probably five billion copies, according to
Guinness World Records.

4. Delilah’s servant , not Delilah herself, cuts Samson’s
hair.
What a diva.

5. In Exodus, Moses sees God’s butt.
In Exodus, God won't let Moses look at God's face, but
Moses IS allowed to look at God's, er, backside. Exodus
33:21–23 in the KJV: "And the Lord said, Behold, there
is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by,
that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover
thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away
mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my
face shall not be seen."
The NRSV translates the Hebrew word achor as "back,"
but that Hebrew word is actually plural. The butt
cheeks of God?
What rot that is
Moses was not allowed to see the face of God
but God allowed Moses to see the back of Him as He passed by.
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Does Not Lives In Hell. Check Out Where Satan Lives by johnw74:
The name of the President of Turkey today is
Recep Erdogan

Enter his name into the calculator at this site
http://landmarkbiblebaptist.net/666-888.html

or work out the number of his name yourself

a=6, b=12, c=18, d=24, e=30, f=36, g=42, h=48, i=54,
j=60, k=66, l=72, m=78, n=84, o=90, p=96, q=102, r=108,
s=114, t=120, u=126, v=132, w=138, x=144, y=150, z=156

r=108
e= 30
c= 18
e= 30
p= 96

e= 30
r=108
d= 24
o= 90
g= 42
a= 6
n= 84
_____

666
_____


Just one possibility.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74: 2:11am On Jun 17, 2015
cosiocan:
anyways, let me continue to cast my pearls before swines, for the sake of those who will be saved. When I said the doctrines of their national gods. I don't mean the bible but I mean the fundamental doctrines of the so called Christianity called the Trinity. Because with such foundation, the bible will profit you nothing.
Just on pearls & swine, and not on your debate
there may be atheists who have an open mind
but the ones who are just out to bash believers are the swine Jesus spoke off
people go against Jesus in pandering to that type

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 2:11am On Jun 16, 2015
JMAN05:
You know where to the truth about us. If u think u know ur side so well on the issue of salvation, form a thread and invite me for a cool discussion on that.

Dont derail this thread.
What, do you mean a discussion like this?

https://www.nairaland.com/2242343/two-things-need-know-jehovahs/4#34441666

https://www.nairaland.com/2242343/two-things-need-know-jehovahs/4#34472735
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74: 12:27am On Jun 16, 2015
Syncan:
Why are you heckling my beloved brother.

johnw74, how are you, hope all is well, if so may God be praised.
Hypocricy


Syncan:
I've heard that before, when your fore fathers said "Let his blood be on us and our children" Matt 27:25.

O had they known how wrong they were.... Obstinacy in ignorance.

Am leaving this thread for I never had nor do I now have interest in it, please stop mentioning my handle here.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74:
MizJanet:
johnw74: I can easily explain the Truth of your question, which you asked me before, my answer remains the same as before, "I won't cast Pearls before the swine"
I at least am able to say, that my destination to that eternal fire is not assured.

Christianity Etc › Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by johnw74: 1:01am On Jun 15, 2015
Syncan:
@ emusan...Wow!

Though I stumbled in here earlier via someone's mischief, I developed quite an interest and just read through this thread post by post. It's quite interesting I must say. There are things that I have not been able to get from you all, after 5 pages of back and forth.

1. If we have in our possession; Greek manuscripts of the NT even dating back as early as 130CE, and up to 5000 in number, yet none contains the Divine name, Where actually did the claim that some people (not the apostles) removed the Divine name come from, and who are the people?

2. If really it cannot be established that Jesus used the Divine name for His father, nor the early Christians who made those 5000 copies, How exactly did the need to restore the Divine name become imperative?

3. If the aim of the NWT translators is to restore the Divine name, and they know there is a name closer to the truth, why continue with the one farther from the truth and still say you've restored the Divine name? Let's assume that He (YAWHEH) actually wants that, the fact that you were enlightened to know which is closer to His name, isn't it an indication that He prefers that?
Syn has difficulty with truth

when I told him I am not interisted in his rc beliefs
and will stick with the truth
he got nasty and the accuser in him came out of the closet

https://www.nairaland.com/2242343/two-things-need-know-jehovahs/4#34484015
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 12:45am On Jun 15, 2015
paulGrundy:
Everybody speaks against the early church. Even common cherubim and seraphim is the early church. grin

When you attack and bully other posters because of their beliefs in trinity and arc-angel micheal have you ever reason that people like your type attack the early church??

What a narrow minded, self-centered way of reasoning!!!

By the way, where is BERNIMORE? Am wondering why you haven't released him to attack johnw74 like you always do to watchtower critics?
cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74: 12:52am On Jun 14, 2015
MizJanet:


Show ur identity , Jesus the son of Mary , Is God ? YES OR NO




*** grin he will start beating around the bush and shift to son of God sharply
I can easily explain the Truth of your question, which you asked me before
my answer remains the same as before
"I won't cast Pearls before the swine"
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 12:43am On Jun 14, 2015
atoleybaba:
all ur quotes are gotten from past teachings and not present
...like what someone told u earlier, jaw found out that some of their teachings where not the right thing and so they made necessary adjustment....eg dy celebrated xmmas before. Am not interested in entering argument. Don't base ur belief of witnesses on some junks written on the net, instead do a proper research. Research like participant observation. I rest my case there sir
point is, it's jw teachings (man's), and not God's inspired teachings,
is why it needs to be often changed,
and there have been mamy many changes.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74: 1:22am On Jun 13, 2015
MizJanet:

You are a big clown , while in d midst of catholics u quote that Jesus is just " SON of God" , but while facing the op , u reverse and quote him as " God" . You Realize That quoting him as " God" to the catholic guys will forfeit and finish you before them . You are a bloody hypocrite .
I have never said Jesus is Just Son of God

you make a lie and then you comment on your lie


on your wrong assessments you call names

slowpoke is right for you, isn't it?
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74:
Article for atoleybaba re fallacy

Part of an Article:
The Society explains: "[Belief] involves taking in accurate knowledge of God's purposes and his way of salvation. Then faith has to be exercised in Jesus Christ as the Chief Agent of salvation. This places the Christian in a saved condition, but he must now persevere in doing God's will and continue to adhere to all of God's requirements for the rest of his life.Only then will he be saved to eternal life" (Watchtower, December 15, 1989, p. 30). To prevent any confusion regarding these requirements for salvation, the Society gives four requirements that must be fulfilled by each Jehovah's Witness.

Read all the Article on
What jw believe on being saved by works:
http://www.watchman.org/articles/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-working-out-their-salvation/
Christianity Etc › Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:57am On Jun 13, 2015
Christians don't take their sins to man for forgiveness
they take their sins to God whom they have sinned against
if you have sinned against man then go to him
Christianity Etc › Re: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by johnw74: 2:54am On Jun 12, 2015
cosiocan:
God the Father is that Holy Ghost in our Lord Jesus Christ, because God said to Mary through the angel, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And in another place, as Mary was espouse to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Ghost. Notice, that the Child Jesus was called both the Son of God and Child of the Holy Ghost, showing that God is that Holy Ghost in Christ. That is, God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself
(Luke 1:35) (Matt 1:18) (2Cor 5:19).
And Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Person of the Holy Spirit in all the saints, because through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father
(Ephesians 2:18).
As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam Christ became a life-giving Spirit (or the Holy Spirit).
(1 Corinthians 15:45)
In the Revelation of Jesus Christ unto his Apostle John to the seven Churches. Notice, that Jesus is He that holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, the first and the last, which was dead and is alive, He which has the sharp sword with two edges, the Son of God, who has his eyes like unto a flame of fire and his feet are like fine brass, who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, who has the key of David, the Amen, and the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. Yet at the end of each message it was written; He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches. It does not take a genius to know that the Son of God is the Holy Spirit speaking to John.
(Rev. 2-3)
And words of Agur the son of Jakeh confirmed this, even the prophecy said, who had ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who had bound the waters in a garment? Who had established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Notice, that this prophecy inquired us to search out and believe in only two Persons; the name of God the Father and of the Son Jesus Christ alone!
(Prov. 30:4)
Therefore it is obvious that Holy Ghost is not a person of his own but A SPIRIT from God and Jesus is the name or the person of the Holy Spirit.
Just on that last sentence,
That Spirit from God who became Jesus Christ, was first the Word who was with God, and who was God

God and the Word are two persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the Word was God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. ...


That Spirit from God is a person- a being from everlasting

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I was brought forth.
Pro 8:26 before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when He set a circle upon the face of the deep;
Pro 8:28 when He set the clouds above; when He made the strong fountains of the deep;
Pro 8:29 when He gave to the sea its limit that the waters should not pass His command; when He appointed the foundations of the earth;
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;
Christianity Etc › Re: I Went To A Jehovah Witness Church! by johnw74: 1:40am On Jun 12, 2015
JMAN05:
You know where to the truth about us. If u think u know ur side so well on the issue of salvation, form a thread and invite me for a cool discussion on that.

Dont derail this thread.
no derailing man
jw said something fallacy
me answer jw
cool?

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