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1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Jesus Christ is the only way to Salvation. Before becoming man, He is God the Word.
Jesus Christ- the Word saved the saints of the Old Testament as well as believers of the new testament.

MizJanet:

Be direct , dont keep bending " is Mary the mother of God ? Yes or no

It's a very easy question to answer,
no, Mary is not the mother of God.

What say you MizPoo.

Naital:
Lol. Just pretend I didn't make any comment.

I'd rather not engage myself in a fruitless quest.

MizJanet is enough challenge for you. Don't try me.

Ha ha, If you are anything like MizPoo then you have nothing but a bad mouth,
she say's s-h-i-t all over the place which the forum software changes to poo.

She is not a believer yet she uses the bible to try and ridicule believers,
if it was allowed I would say she is a slowpoke. < forum software changed it

MizJanet:
... I cant stop laughin at how you religious folks just uote things without checkin the context

Babylon exist in revelation ,its mere symbolic ,

Babylon in Revelation is a real city.
Not the old Babylon, that's why it's called MYSTERY BABYLON.

God doesn't have His Angel call His people to come out of a symbolic city, a city that doesn't exist.

Rev_17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

MizJanet:
;

Religion is indeed clueless , check the front page topic : if Christ is the only way to heaven, what about this people ?

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

MizPoo, quote the lie that you accuse off.

bingbagbo:
polytheist!

How could you know God when you can't
even tell the truth.

MizJanet:
You dont understand yourself ; churchman , just get off my way

go back to kindergarten little girl,
and wipe all that poo away from your bum

MizPoo: poo, i never knew ...

Get urself out of religious poo

bingbagbo:
answer now

I already did, but you are so fixed on your false beliefs that you cannot see anything else.

Of course there is one God the Father, and John 1 tells us that the Word is also that one God, as does Proverbs 8, and many more scriptures tell that Jesus is God also and not just the Father is God, of which you have been saying too that Jesus is God, you hypocrite.
But with you, you say that the Son is the Father which is as dumb as what janet says.

MizJanet:

Shit, i never knew you were of the group that said the son is dat same father , as d bold reveal .

the son is dat same god, poo you don't even understand what is said

MizJanet:
It doesnt make sense , you ar usin a BAD logic

Bcoz two people are called God now means they ar same person , so automatically this angel that manoah called God is also a part of d supreme being . U religious pple can b funny at times .

LET YOUR OWN BIBLE DISQUALIFIY YOU

Who is d one God? " for .. There is one God , The Father" 1cor 8:5,6 ,

There certinally is but One God the Father
and the word is that same One God

Not father and son stop usin bad logic , no wonder you cant explain

I had no trouble explaining, but you cannot understand,
I'm happy I won't be hearing from you again though.

MrPresident1:
The Second Coming of Christ is very real. The second coming of Christ involves two things; Christ rises from the dead first, and then the general mass of the (worthy) dead arises when Christ returns.

1 Corinthians 15:23,52
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Do you understand now?

I understand that you don't understand the scriptures.

Christ is the firstfruits of those who rise from the dead,
Christ rose two thousand years ago from the dead,
after that those that are in Christ rise at Christ's secong coming.

MrPresident1:
1 Corinthians 3:2
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

I'm well able to bear meat, but as far as pres1. teachings go I cannot bear rot.

MrPresident1:
Please show me where I said the bolded above.

Here it is:

MrPresident1: The second coming of Christ involves two things; Christ rises from the dead first

https://www.nairaland.com/2327057/coming-christ/1#34211084

Meanwhile...

Isaiah 28:9
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Obviously not referring to you.

MrPresident1:
Beasts in the Bible represent rulerships, Kingdoms, and Governments. The beast is the basest of men, and its number 666 represents gross imperfection. Perfection is 7, and a repetition of 6 thrice is a pathetic attempt at perfection that ends in gross failure.

The beast's number is not a repetition of 6 thrice, or 6+6+6

The beast's number is six hundred and sixty six or 600+60+6

only written down as 666

MrPresident1:
Support your position with the Scriptures.
You define reincarnation, then promptly dismiss it as not being Biblical without proof. SMH. Prove your position.

The resurrection is not the resurrection of the dead in the grave, it is the resurrection of the living dead, men physically living but mentally and spiritually dead, dead because they do not have the knowledge of God. They will resurrect when the light of God's Word illuminates them again, the time is here already, but the haters of God, those who enslaved His people, those who changed the image of the merciful and ever-loving and ever-kind God into the image of a monster will be punished severely. They will be turned into the lake of fire.

I teach wisdom. The truth is not for the weak or children.

You teach unbibical rubbish.

MrPresident1:
Wisdom screams in the principal places of concourse, how long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity?

Proverbs 1:23
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Someone who say's among many other Bible twisting things, that Jesus Christ rises at the second coming of Jesus Christ,
and that waters in Gen 1:2 is referring to peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues, has no wisdom, knowledge, or understanding.

MrPresident1:
The Bible is written end from beginning.

Isaiah 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Like I said Jesus Christ rose from the dead two thousand years ago.

MrPresident1:
Waters in the Bible mean peoples, nations, tongues, multitudes.

Revelation 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the LovePeddler sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The Bible is about the creation of man in the image of God.

Waters in Gen 1:2 is literal waters. There wasn't any peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues in the beginning of creation.
I haven't seen anyone at this forum so out of tune with scriptures as you are.

MizJanet:
please explain this statement ?

If you read the verses from Proverbs that I posted,
then you can see that in the beginning, God is two Persons.

John 1:1 also shows that in the beginning God is two persons.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So there is God, one Person,
and there is the Word, another person (the Word was with God)
and the Word was God, so God and the Word is God
two persons, One God.

The proverbs verses show the Word who is with God is a person
The John verse shows that the Word is God.

God and the Word
Father and the Son

God is the Father of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is obviously the Son of His Father God,
and to believers the Father and Son, God and the Word, are the One God.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;


Two Persons, One God.

The KJV have copied what the original Greek says, in a way that's understandable, and without mixing words around

The Greek text in English:

Rom 9:5 OF WHOM THE FATHERS AND OUT OF WHOM THE ANOINTED THE according-to FLESH THE One-BEING ON ALL GOD blessed INTO THE eons AMEN

The KJV:

Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Not Christ who is God over all

BUT:

Christ who is over all



Not blessed for ever

BUT:

God blessed forever

Reincarnation is the belief that the soul, upon death of the body, comes back to earth in another body or form.

Hence it is not Bibical

There are two resurrection, those who have died in Christ will be raised to everlasting life with Him
Those not in Christ will be thrown into the Lake of Fire

That could include those who change what the Bible says for their own words,
their own glory, their own followers.

A beast can be a Nation, government etc. but in Rev 13 the beast is a man,
the beast's number is the number of a man

Rev 13:18 ... count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man....

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.




The mark of the beast is not what a person thinks and does,
it is a literal mark, name, or number

Rev 13:17 even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.

What you think and do cannot stop you from buying and selling,
but not having the beast's mark, name, or number on your forehead or hand (like a bar code or other) can stop you from buying and selling,
and we all need to buy food,
it's the beast's way of controlling the people.

The beast could be a country's leader with the backing and resources of that country,
The beast could be a religious organization with the backing and resources of that organization, etc.

Rev 13:16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,
Rev 13:17 even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.
Rev 13:18 Here is the wisdom. Let him having reason count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

MrPresident1: Repent and be saved. The Lord is here.

The Lord has not returned yet.

MrPresident1: It is all over!

Many people read the Bible and change the plain reading of it, to have their own gospel and their own following


Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

MrPresident1:
1Corinthinas 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Very real. The Second Coming of Christ is very real. The second coming of Christ involves two things; Christ rises from the dead first, and then the general mass of the dead arises when Christ returns.

Christ rising from the dead means that the truth of the Word is reawakened in Him, Christ is reawakened into the Word and Law of God, Christ is given access into the real truth of the Word not the periphery, and through the world He is able to see how lopsided and disorganised and distorted the original plan of The Almighty God has been corrupted to be. Christ rising from the dead means Christ's eyes are opened, and He is made to see the world through The Word. Not many people are gifted with this ability at this time.

Now when Christ arises from the dead in resurrection, He has to wait to receive the the Power that would enable Him rule the earth with a rod of iron, it is the return of these powers and abilities, coupled with the writing of the Law in the inward parts, that is referred to as the coming of Christ. Now, it is at this second coming also that the Law is written in the hearts of the ones that have been found worthy in what is generally called the 'Rapture'.

1 Corinthians 15:23,52
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Christ rose from the dead two thousand years ago.

MrPresident1:

Revelation 19:13
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

We are saying the same thing apparently, only you are not willing to say that the Bible is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ is the Law of God in the flesh, and the Law is the Bible. The Word is living, breathing and true, and it is when it is written into the hearts of men that it become Jesus Christ. The incarnation of the Word in select men otherwise referred to as the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ. The Virgin being Israel, God's woman.

Well you are right there (blue)
I guess we will have to rewrite the Bible, beginning with:

Gen 1:2 ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
"and the Bible moved upon the face of the waters"

MrPresident1:
And God breathed this spirit into man, and man became a living soul. It is the breath/word/law of God that made man a living soul. These Laws were written on tables of stone.

It was just dust of the ground and the breath of God that made man a living soul
the law came much later.

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

MrPresident1:
Christ is the Word of God, the Law of God, and the coming of Christ simply is the writing of the Law of God in our hearts, automatically conferring us with the inability to sin anymore. A software upgrade.

The second coming of Christ is real just as the first coming of Christ was real.
Plenty of scriptures saying so, look for them.

MrPresident1:
John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Romans 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The Word of God is the Spirit of God, and the same was in the beginning with God. The more of God's Word that you know and imbibe and practice, the holier your spirit becomes because the Word teaches you the perfect will of God. Do you know the Nicean Creed? This is how it describes the Holy Spirit

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the
Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.

The Word that proceeds from the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit. And the Word is living and breathing and alive.

The Word of God is not just the words that God Speaks it is a person in God

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

The Holy Spirit is not the Bible, the Holy Spirit is the Word of God, that is His name.

Read the following:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

In the flesh He is called Jesus Christ
In the Spirit He is called the Word of God, a Person, GOD, not the Bible.

MrPresident1:
The Holy Spirit is the Bible.
What happened at Pentecost was a reincarnation of the Word in the hearts of the Disciples, the purpose at that time was to enable the disciples to spread the gospel to the world, to bring the world to the knowledge of God and His laws.

The new covenant is not in place yet, the new covenant involves the Law being written in our hearts, we will no longer have to struggle with sin or fleshly inadequacies, we will become incorruptible.

Do you expect others to just believe you?
or will you post Bible verses that you think show the Holy Spirit is the Bible?

The Holy scriptures are described as God breathed,
they are not God's Spirit, they are from God,
God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God,
who else could the Holy Spirit be.

I will post just a few of many Bible verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person.


John 14:26 ESV
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Romans

8:26 ESV
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

John 14:15-17 ESV
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.


The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God-is God:
Acts 10:38 ESV
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.