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KingEbukaNaija:
Even random "chaotic" processes can be designed to work in that way . It might appear as chaotic to the observer but not necessarily to the designer .

Try harder

I apply studies in Nature

Hahahahahahahahaha it's no longer that the universe is orderly .. Now you are trying to clutch on weak "random is design"

Natural interactions are not only random and chaotic but spooky...

I understand you are trying so hard to make sure you keep a not needed "god" in the equation.

Well that's cool in sunday schools but not in science classes...

You wanna try again?

KingEbukaNaija:
You are not making any sense young man . Since God is eternal it is illogical to question his attributes - where he got his powers from because they have always been , is , will always be with Him .

A super complex entity eternal and has always been complex is the murder of logic itself and the most illogical of all thoughts.

Now you are shooting yourself on the foot because if you assume up a super complex entity that doesn't need to be designed then precision and complexity is not a property of design as you have shown but if you argue complexity must connote design then this super complex entity cannot be exempted.

Energy has very significant properties - its eternal , cannot be created or destroyed but transforms from one form to another , can be measured etc - do you question its properties ?
Smh

every attributes of energy as recorded and measured are observed facts as we know it ..

Energy do not exists fundamentally as a complex value, that is the first thing to mind.

Energy develops from fundamental states to more complex states ... It's that simple, it didn't just become eternally complex from no where.

chai...

KingEbukaNaija:
Computer Science is under Natural and Applied Science . Sometimes , you need to have basic understanding of something before you refute a concept it postulates .

Smh

Lmao.. I am dead ..

Natural science is a branch of science concerned with the description,
prediction, and understanding of natural phenomena

Branches of natural science

-Chemistry
-Physics
-Biology
-Astronomy
-Earth science
-Atmospheric sciences
-Oceanography

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science

I am dead... computer science is natural science? how dah fucq do you pass exams

KingEbukasBlog:
You dont even understand the 7-day-creation story , so let me not bother engaging you . You create your own interpretation of any verse and ridicule it .

I tire oo .

Hahahahahahaha there is no interpretation at all, it is a story, a folklore, a myth. we say what the story says.

what ever interpretations you conjure for a simple jewish myth can only strengthen your bond in the belief of outright absurd myths.

And you keep beating around the bush any time I introduce computer science . Every one has his strong suit . I believe if nature is being emulated by man and he says his emulation is intelligently designed then its blatant disingeniousness to say what is being emulated is not intelligently designed .

"Its like you are emulating your mum who has a good behaviour and someone commends your good behaviour and then you say that your mum whom you emulated does not have a good behaviour ."

The above does not make sense ... so no matter the rigmarole you'd spew ... its still dumb gibberish to me

..No it will continue to sound gibberish because no matter how much you try to explain simple calculus to a kid it never ceases to sound like gibberish.

Deriving inspiration from something does not equate the source of inspiration to the product of inspiration.

You have been shown time and again nature do not need an assembly line but derive complex structures from simple interactions of random properties..

smaller galaxies collide to form bigger galaxies, from these chaotic reactions the whole becomes more complex.

Even if you look into a puddle in a random hole in the ground you could also pass it out as a design ..

In nature simpler values randomly interact to make complex values, no assembly line and no external humanoid freak needed in the equation who somehow does not need another designer even though it allegedly inspired nature like nature inspired artificial entities.. dayuum

You can find somewhere else to place your god, this cosmos is simply too big for your little humanoid.

Try again?

KingEbukasBlog:
You are trying so hard to preclude the existence of a creator . Anyway you can continue wallowing in your delusion .

Let me explain to you how dumb you sound :

Its like breaking codewords to characters and claiming that these characters gave the codes that propensity to carry out a particular function .

These codes below carry out a particular function



Now breaking down these codes to characters i , m , p , o , r ,t and making unintelligent claims that they gave the quoted code the ability to carry out its function is asinine .

For the quoted codes to carry out a function , it should be the right syntax and appropriately as regards to the programming language .

Again . You dont understand the words "derive" and "propensity"

Here we go again another dumb comparison of nature to computer ...

Lol..

If after explaining the tiniest bit of natural manifestation and it's role in the diversification of natural interactions and you still could not grab it, it is very obvious that it's only a dumb clutch as willful delusion.

You are using a complex creator who somehow do not need to be also designed in other to actively and beautifully exist and be intelligent enough to create a lesser complex system... lmoa

Aaaaah sorry, you are just the one having a hard time comprehending basic particle physics even after i have broken it down to a language persons of any level can comprehend knowing fully well what i was dealing with..

KingEbukasBlog:
Ugghh ... so how did strings derive that propensity to give rise to atoms and chaotic reactions thereafter ?

Its like you lack the understanding of the words "derive " and "propensity" .

Are you being disingenuous - in this case , a circumlocutory way of answering my questions

Like i said it all falls down again to your comprehensive ability or am i just seeing case of willful cognitive dissonance ?

If after explaining the most fundamental part of nature (strings) you still couldn't grab how nature entertained reactions then sorry i cannot help you, only you can help yourself by reading it over and over again...

Sorry to say if you are looking for anywhere "god" is invoked then you'd be disappointed forever, this is science not fairy tales.

There are thousands of gods humanity has conceived, any of them may well exist but none is needed to explain the cosmos.

Nature is the totality of all, the oneness of the bits..

KingEbukasBlog:
Ok .. Ive heard you ... so where is your evidence that the universe needs no creator ?

Chai are you still playing this burden of proof reversal fallacy? Oh meeeeeehn

I bet you have proof that i do not have a pink flying diamond horse tied to my bed now..

The Onus is on the claimant to prove his claim not place that on the person who doubt it ... Chai

KingEbukasBlog:
This is quite naive coming from you . There are theistic evolutionists because they felt the creation story is allegorical and God did it through evolution . They had to succumb to the pressure of being delineated as "backward" - embracing a modern scientific theory .

Hahahahahahaha first they understand the creation myth to be allegorical, well that's a very clear picture because if you are ever looking for answers regarding nature and go to religious books, you've got the wrong answer.

-there can never be day/night before the sun

-there can never be vegetation before the sun

-and the Bleep man is not earth's sand/dust cus if so man would have been predominantly made of silica.

-There was never a time any animal let alone a snake could talk (Only in folklores even Igbo Folklores carry such tales too)

They bowed to pressure? Noo i think rather they knew that every ancient myth regarding nature is just the ancient way of explaining the little about the cosmos they know of.

We have a thousand and one other creation myths from other cultures, nothing makes the one you believe special.

they are all naive but noble poetry... Enuma Elis is far more impressive..

I'm an old-earth creationist because there is no evidence for evolution - God did not do it through evolution .

You have always said Biology in fact natural sciences is never a strong point of yours.

I'm not gonna stretch it..

kevoh:
If the xtian god exists and grants the prayers of xtians who pray for their enemies to die, I wonder who will remain on the earth because:

1. You are one way or the other an enemy to another person, if for example you have been jealous of another person's achievements.

2. Even one can be an enemy to himself through some wrong decisions that he/she has taken which is detrimental to one's success in life.

So why not love your enemy and pray wish good for those who persecute you! You just might be wishing yourself good instead.

If there are Gods and they listen to the prayers of Men, all mankind would have quickly perished because they all pray for bad things to befall others.

Gerrard59:
#Ifthebiblehadpictures

This Joseph and Mary Photo murdered me ...Ayaf died sef

queendalyn:
Are you in Imo State?

No enugu

fearlesschicken:
Hian! They chop craze ni?! seems so weird reading your post without bold and italic fonts....

maybe you can change font style?

oh well....I pray I get used to it

Hahahahahaha i hope you do .. I am trying to get used to this one too.. feels weird to me too, the bold italics were kinda like my thing you know

naijapips02:
Bro, the theists are not happy with you at all. I'm Sure your posts are being reported in droves each minute. To them you are the anti-christ.

Seun needs to do something should this. Seun when has bold writings and italics become a crime on here?

It was really not a funny thing to get banned and all my recent posts wiped out just for writing in my usual font

..lOl.. Make them no murder me with reports ooo. . .

queendalyn:
Between 70,000-80,000

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There are 1,500 fishes

Please i need a comprehensive explanation on how you started this.. I want to start one too at least ..

KingEbukasBlog:
I have provided proof which you have blatantly rejected . So provide yours for scrutiny

Hahahahahahaha what a marvelous claim oh sorry proof that was

You point at artificial entities to assert nature (organic entities) must also need design

Yes that's a cool proof, i like the way rubber flower shows biological flowers were designed..

We talking nature here it has shown it doesn't need an assembly line ... Marvelous proof brother..

Just like I can also tell you that the proof of the pink flying horse tied to my bedpost is the existence of real horses ... Common!!!

KingEbukasBlog:
But brother ... the truth remains ...whatever you meant ... its a theory with no proof ... or else you have videos or images of such processes occurring to back up your claims .

Hahahahaha proof of natural reactions? ... WTF that's all around you sir.. we did these basic experiments in Secondary school even.

The most fundamental particle of every thing is not the atom, nope the atom is even too big.

The most fundamental particle is what science name String tens of millions of times smaller than an atom ..you have to split the atoms deeply.

So strings are vibrating strands and every element or even other particles has different level of string vibration, so once two distinct elements like Hydrogen (H) and Oxygen (O) comes in contact there is a chaotic reaction due to their differences in vibration.

and from these chaotic reaction comes the result (H₂O)

Modern physics is no longer looking at the macro world to understand the mysteries of the universe but rather they are beginning to understand that the most fundamental part of the universe holds the keys to it's mysteries.

Just like a little equation E=MC² explained almost every mechanism of the macro world, scientists are looking at the micro world (strings) to finally provide a substantiative explanation of everything.

In string theory it is called the Theory of everything... Only study can take us out of the caves not personal systems of belief.

Platos allegory of the caves... we must overcome naive impressions ..

sonOfLucifer:
You keep asking very silly questions. The Bible claims to be God's Word, so does the Quran, Gita etc.
Does Yahweh exist? Does Allah exist? Which is superstitious? Which isn't?

Don't worry. I won't wait. I'm 100% sure you won't answer these questions.

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you mess.ing kidding me ... how does the string explanation show how natural process derived the propensity for their functionalities ?

Now the problem lies in your comprehension. Maybe you should leave computers for a while and pay a little mind to Natural sciences..

KingEbukasBlog:
Simple : Prove the universe needs no creator and we are the deluded ones . According to Winner01 , succinctly

Hahahahahaha If there is a proof for the non-existence of blue diamond unicorn it would be on my lips too.

Once you claim is unmeasurable, not feasible, unfalsifiable, imperceivable, you are swimming in your assumptions.

I have a pink flying horse tied to my bed post now... Now prove that i don't

Your lack of proof for your god is enough proof for anybody to dismiss your claim...

Like the saying goes extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof..

So are you just going to provide proof for it or keep asking people who doubt your assumptions to disprove it?

For someone who is having a personal relationship with it, i wonder why this is hard

It has become so unprovable that you resort to the laughable logical fallacy of Burden of proof reversal... asking someone to disprove your unproven claims ..lol

Nope .. there are just two humans in different clothing.

Well even though i think there is a line between the African culture and the Foreign Culture these alien beliefs are rooted in, i still cannot see why the priest should be excluded from enjoying the excitement and colourful vibes of the African culture.

Culture takes more than just a belief..

ValentineMary:
If u can't afford text books, trying downloading free pdf files. There are countless materials on the internet. I am not paid to educate u.

Gbaaaaaaam!!!... In this age of information, ignorance is a choice.

KingEbukasBlog:
brother ... dont be deceived ... WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE ... just dont subject my belief to derision and we are cool . Dont claim yours is a rational stance when you can't provide a single evidence that the universe needs no creator . Is that hard to comprehend ?

Again you are shifting the burden of proof from you the claimant to the person who is doubting your claim.

If i claim there is a blue diamond unicorn tied to my room now the onus is on me to prove the unicorn actually exists not the person who may doubt it... if i can't then my claim is nothing more than just a claim..

You are the one making the claims for a "god" who somehow cannot speak or prove itself but rely on humans and ancient outdate books, it is on you to prove it not ask the person who doubt it to prove it..

Belief is not exactly same as certainty so once everyone stops trying to heap their beliefs as a universal truth then everyone is cool.

when everyone stop disturbing others with banging shouts virtually everywhere literally forcing down their beliefs down others throat then we are all good.

But once you force these beliefs down others throat they are expected to throw it back at you..

Is that hard to comprehend?

KingEbukasBlog:
Ok ... I accept ... How did they derive the propensity to be " self sustaining and replicating"

WTF ... Read up that string explanation again....

myfantasies:
Pussy lips

2boiz:
See lips
She nor fine sef
Congratz anyways

blithe2nice:
Hmmmmmm...Her make up Na D..I..E. Lips. Be like..........complete the missing word.

That type of lips is the best for BJ You go speak in different tongues i swear

This new Ooni is quite controversial ... Well Long live the king!!!

True .. All the Chiefs and Monarchs we have today in Igbo land are products of the Colonial masters.

The ancient Igbo society lived in autonomous communities, contended and attached to that social circle.

they had no king but rather were ruled by the Strong elite rich and noble men in the community, they also practised true democracy because some of the times every male member of the community is summoned in meetings regarding the decisions for the welfare of the community.

And on rare occasions women too.

there is only 1 monarchy in Igbo land that has always being there and that is the only true traditional stool in the Igbo race and that is the stool of EZE NRI.

The Igbos believe that the Igbo race started from NRI so even though autonomous and not directly under the rule of NRI stool

every igbo is indirectly by virtue of their Igbo descent subjected and connected to the Ofo of the NRI stool.

Every other King in Igbo land is just a colonial institution.

We are democratic .. we don't bow to men.. Igbo enwe Eze

Shollyps:
why do you theist like dragging people down your mess..telling atheist ..you know deep down inside you DAT god exist?...does that make sense to you?
its like me telling you ..you know deep down inside you that god doesn't exist..but you just keep on believing because of fear or indoctrination
...atheist don't believe in gods existence... is that too hard for you to comprehend?

That's why i ignored it.. Some posts aren't worthy of my attention

Tellemall:
Sorry that you were called in. Don't bother yourself too much about what people believe in. Belief is something ingrained in people. The end justifies the belief.

Thank you sir i am inclined to agree.. People believe different things for different reasons that is ok.

I am only one of those that discard belief and maintain "we need to find things out" and not believe any assumptions that comes to mind.

Our progress should be judged by the quality of our questions and the depth of our answers and our ability to agree with what is true rather than what feels good to believe.

Tellemall:
I particularly don't like it when atheists try to use science as a back up. There is so much in science that you believe that has never been proved, has no evidence and never will have evidence.

Not all atheists subscribe to scientific thesis we have atheists that are also superstitious even.

Science is the modern way of truth deduction, and science is not a dogma rather a means of truthful deductions through observations and study of facts.

Who ever uses science as a dogma and not as a product of human enquiry is going about it wrong.

And any thesis that is falsified in science is discarded as complete bogus, any thesis that is unsubstantiated is regarded as a mere hypothesis and no scientist will ever claim it is a truth.

So that is it... I saw no scientist maintaining the Higgs Boson particle was an absolute truth until it was proven.

Now it is a proven fact.

Tellemall:
All the best arguing.


Although, if you both know neither of you will change your opinion, what's the point of arguing? Proving superiority does nothing in the end.

You are correct my brother and i am not here to prove or claim superiority.

In fact i am one of those that maintain "I do not know" i am only against the use of unsubstantiated superstition as a placeholder for scientific ignorance.

Science is simply put the Philosophy of Nature and utilizes study and observations to make truthful approximations of observed facts without at any point claiming absolute truth has been reached.

If one wants to know about nature and the cosmos we live in and you go to ancient religious books surely you've got the wrong answer.

Yes everyone has the right to believe what they want but passing it as absolute truth is preposterous.

There will come a time when we will marvel at this era when scientific facts are denied just to uphold personal belief systems.

All the best my boss... Thank you.

Tellemall:
OK. Don't let me spoil your fun.

All the best in the argument. Neither of you will change your views, so why bother arguing? Why not just keep your respective views to yourselves?

Agree with me brother that we were on our own when they opened this thread and called us in.

I was actually mentioned ... There is a thin line between Belief and Science.

Everyone has the right to have a belief that is a basic human right and i can fight for anyone to have that right but once someone pushes their belief as truth in public without evidence that person is a fraud and a stumbling block to human intellectual development.

One can believe anything but it still does not enter into the corners of science drawing board until you can pull out even a bit of a mathematical proof..

Belief is never same as knowledge when it comes to FACTS belief is not needed because it is certain.

Well i'll take your advice and leave the thread though let me just have a bit of fun... thank you and all the best..

KingEbukasBlog:
Psalm 78: 25-27



The full story above is describing how God sent quails - birds which cant fly with the south wind because its too moist and heavy for them - and bread to the camp of Israel during their sojourn through the wilderness after they complained of hunger .

Did you see why I said your response is a non sequitur

Again , God has control over nature

Exactly "God caused the winds" that was the point just like the romans also thought God (neptune) was responsible.. Now we know totally no humanoid freak is needed for that.

The bible also thinks that Rainbow was never there before but was a reminder for an all knowing deity

That is totally wrong... As long as light passes through a prism it must disperse in different spectrums... it was not a reminder for any deity not at all just a refraction of sunlight by the atmosphere

The ancients used these naive ideas to fill the gap left by their ignorance of the world they lived in.

Oh yes every God has control over nature, Only in their religious books