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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:42pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
It could be fun when I know someone is on the floor grasping for breathe when God fellas were hitting him hard.

I should have changed my channel to WWE. All the same it was a debate and I took side with the heavyweightier.

Lol.. Ok

Yes.

[b[Knowledge is limited and we can speak within the frame of our own knowledge. Making a claim on finite brain measuring infinite cause will only lead to fallacy like we have around here[/b]. This will always make me follow Yoruba spirituality. They dont know it and silent on it.

This is exactly my stance.. We have limited knowledge, let us study not assume..

It's better to agree when one doesn't know than fill the gap with assumption and attendant behaviours..

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:39pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
The point you are trying to shift is that, prior to this singularity, there was nothing. How does the singularity magically appear?

Nope not at all.. there have been many cosmological models to explain that which of course are all hypothetical and so must be treated as one.

-Quantum fluctuation
-Energy as an internal value (Energy and matter are relative)
-Multiverse

etc...

But that part takes you into the field of quantum mechanics. . . .

Atheists tend to choice it for explaining origin of our universe thereby ruling out existence of God and clamping down Goddidit theory.

But last i checked you are an atheist too and am sure you do not buy the big bang theory or have studied much about it.

There is no relationship between the big bang and atheism.. Many Atheists as well as Theists agree with the theory.

If you apply the big bang to atheism because some atheist adopt the theory then you can also term it a theistic theory because some theists also adopts it.

In fact a catholic priest Msgnr Georges Lamitre propounded the theory.. Big bang is a scientific theory, has nothing to do with theism or atheism..

Good question.
I personally embrace the Yoruba spirituality view of the universe. We see Eleduamare as the creator of the universe

Ok but Eleduamare was caused by what?

remember you said this
For something to exist, something will surely cause it.
So what is this Eleduamare ?

Is this Eleduamare excluded from your assertion above ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:31pm On Dec 06, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
His comment is :

[size=15pt]They are bunch of morally derailed peeps who can't objectively look at things.[/size]

I find that derogatory and insulting ... If we are morally derailed peeps who can't objectively at things , then he is an idiot . He sees us as that and I see him as idiot . Its quite simple though

So why didnt you call him to order after he described religious people as "morally derailed peeps " . Are you not been sanctimonious and hypocritical at the same time ?

His comment was replying this post ..

I have realised that many of these religious fanatics can believe anything
just to defend their imaginary friend. [b]The other day sone guys said that
stoning of women who were not virgins when married was right. They did
this just to try to prove that the bible is right.
Unless you are one of such people i don't really see a basis for your sudden outburst of insult on his post that was addressing another person [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:29pm On Dec 06, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Then can you show or prove that it does not require a designer . God is uncaused and a designer - those are his qualities .

So God is an uncaused complex entity that do not need a designer but the universe a product of an even more complex entity requires a designer.

Thats special pleading..

Much as we know of the universe, we have seen values interacting to produce a result, chaotic events and reactions leading to new results. . . We have no clue what exactly design entails in this case..

Is the universe uncaused ?

I have no idea, i do not know neither will i claim to know.

What are the qualities of the universe that gives it that propensity to create itself from nothing , create life and then intelligence in humans ?
[b][i]

From reactions of simpler values we get more complex results...

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:18pm On Dec 06, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Idiot

what is wrong with you Ebuka... am sure he didn't mention you... why the insult and aggressiveness..

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:16pm On Dec 06, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Three uncaused entities/beings who exist as one ?

Ok God is a complex entity/entities intelligent enough to create the universe.

But yet such complex conscious beings don't require a designer and creator.. Haven't you shown us that complexity doesn't require a designer?

Then why then must the universe be caused and require a designer in order to exhibit a complex nature... ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:12pm On Dec 06, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
God is an uncaused cause . Any rebuttals ?

What is God?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 3:07pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
I was johnny walking on a free sunday. . .not here for argument but did found a spot of fun.

Vooks and winners slaughtering menesheh.

It fun not to be enjoyed within a little timeframe but had to call out Godless fellas so as to prolong the fun.

To me what you were doing on the thread was quite childish... If you didn't want to argue at least picking on someone should not be a resort to catch fun..

For something to exist, something will surely cause it.

Exactly .. tho the bolded is not necessary true ..

The question is " what did?"

And remember that going by this your above assertion, that thing that caused something must also have been caused by another which in turn requires another right?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:58pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
Can you please read this?

I just did and the fact is that you didn't read it. Because if you do you would have seen it proposed a Singularity.

The site you brought up is a quite basic, i would have preferred you read more about the theory sir because misrepresenting what one doesn't really know doesn't make sense.

Big Bang doesn't propose NOTHING..

It proposes an Energy SINGULARITY.. hot, dense that underwent a rapid inflation then expansion which brought about Space/time and subatomic and atomic particles (matter)

I am not a big bang theorist but at least i do not need to misrepresent the theory in order to employ baseless ridicule based on ignorance ..

And secondly Big Bang theory has nothing to do with someone being an atheist

Einstein was a pantheist.

Bull eye!!!

I will like you to answer this: How do you think the universe came to be?

Just tell me what you personally think

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:37pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
All this would be put at rest when and only you see big bang something out of nothing theory as mythology.

I am not a big bang theorist but i can rightly tell you the bolded is wrong .. You have never read about the theory.

there is no where it ever asserts NOTHING sir.. Please where did you see it..

Let me go on a scientific discussion on the Big Bang now to correct the naive representation of the theory..

Einstein said: "Religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame"

Says Einstein who had no religion.. Ironic right?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Constitute a Myth. I See All Religion Guilty Of Its Features. by johnydon22(m): 2:32pm On Dec 06, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
Where is weigraf, Johnydon22, plaetton, dalaman and ifeness?

This guy will kill someone here

I read through this thread, you are not really arguing here.. Just making sassy childish remarks, picking on menesheh and making jest.. Its quite demeaning and childish.

Now You claim to be an atheist but a spiritual one, pray tell sir.. what is your own stance on causality.. ?

Lets see how well your own stance on causality is placed

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 12:59pm On Dec 06, 2015

virginboy1:
Which is more reason I wish the debate should happen soon.
It's either you beat the person or the person convinces/converts you. Anything can happen

Sure enough... Am all for it ... lets hope we get one pretty soon..

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Name A Child JESUS?? by johnydon22(m): 12:26pm On Dec 06, 2015

HCpaul:
I will not give up on your soul, so do christ.

Careful buddy, there is always two ways in a line..

Family › Re: Photo: Caption This Little Kid by johnydon22(m): 10:24am On Dec 06, 2015

menesheh:
I don't like booby.

Family › Re: Photo: Caption This Little Kid by johnydon22(m): 9:46am On Dec 06, 2015

Who doesn't love booby!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Wrong To Name A Child JESUS?? by johnydon22(m): 8:51am On Dec 06, 2015

In spain, mexico, columbia "Jesus" is a pretty common name for the folks... I believe there is a footballer named Jesus Navas.

Op Christ is not a name, it is a title..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Right Or Wrong? (pic) by johnydon22(m): 8:40am On Dec 06, 2015

You all should realize that the world is evolving and it is either you choose to evolve with it or you keep your self into the past.

Most ancient texts where never written on paper even the bible that is the subject of discussion. Many were in cuneiform or scrolls.

If laptop or electronic book is wrong then using a paper is wrong too because paper was not the original format...

why not go get the scrolls and stone tablets instead..

The world is growing past paper and pen to electronics. . .There is nothing wrong with development

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Christianity Etc › Re: God(s) And Our Ignorance by johnydon22(op): 8:18am On Dec 06, 2015

OgundeleT:
johnydon22 has been giving theist a tough headache right from time of immemorial, u av been trying to give them more reasons to use there brain but they choose to go with the Jew mythology..

Lol..

Christianity Etc › Re: How Biblical Is Church Wedding? by johnydon22(m): 8:06am On Dec 06, 2015

ichommy:
Lol, nah Registry sure pass.

.No marriage is legal until registered by the state in every supreme state like Nigeria.

So even church wedding is useless unless the wedding certificate is signed..

For me i will go with the tradition of my own people and not borrow someone else's. . i will wed in the African traditional style with style .. Notify the local government to provide the necessary documents to be signed by married couples.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Sex Before Marriage? by johnydon22(m): 8:00am On Dec 06, 2015

ichommy:
GBAM lol @ throw stone. Reason i asked is dat my Ex walk away when she suspect. Her late Dad is atheist sha. Complaining she cant face wetin her mama face forcing her Dad to church. D thing pained but dats part of Sacrifice bin an atheist. Now am scared to tell d Current GF but i know i will burst d bubble soon. If she want to waka make she go. #mylife.
Thanks

People who are theists seem to always have a naive impression that it is a moral obligation to have a belief in a deity or participate in one religious activity or the other.

as such they expect everyone to be involved in it, never stopped to wonder. There are many things better than just going to clap or hit your head against the floor.

Devoting time to community services and helping the needy is a far greater noble action than going to clap and shout.

Religious people especially in Nigeria have not grown past their own self induced holier than thou attitude or learn the human social behaviour of tolerating those with conflicting views..

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Biblical Is Church Wedding? by johnydon22(m): 7:50am On Dec 06, 2015

White wedding is a british traditional wedding style..

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Sex Before Marriage? by johnydon22(m): 7:46am On Dec 06, 2015

ichommy:
Am willing to go to hell Sir, just before my Operamini Crash. Let me share a gist with U.

My GF is V and she hammer it to my ear dat no sex till after marriage, which i agree. Why? Because i respect people opinion. I agree cos i know Adaora, OmoLara, Ebere, juliet will help
as per d Hell am available.
Where is Johnydon22? And Bros menesheh and hahn. Some is scaring me with hell

johnydon22, your GF is aware u re an Atheist? *wink*

Yes she is aware now though she is not atheist herself ...

I have no problem with theism, people can worship and fear what ever they want .. they can even worship stones Just don't throw the stones at me or tell me how i should live MY LIFE so as not to offend your stone.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Heaven Is Hotter Than Hell. by johnydon22(m): 12:00am On Dec 06, 2015

Who ever have the impression that they have an afterlife that will be better than this life, that person is not really living this life but just waiting to die..

Y'all should have fun waiting to die and live in a better heaven or hell, i appreciate what i have and that is here and now.

Ignoring the earth for a Paradise is like ignoring substance to chase after shadow.. people who live in such wishful shadows end up not getting to live this one at all.

So while you are waiting to die to get to a better place, i choose to love the one i have and recognize nothing gets more beautiful.. I choose to live in the substance not chase after shadows.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "When You Kill Someone, His Blood Will Be On Your Head": How True Is This? by johnydon22(m): 9:48pm On Dec 05, 2015

When you realize you have only this short life to live just like everyone else.. you will learn to view this life to be precious.

You will learn to dread the idea of taking someone else's life because it means you have ended someone else's opportunity.

When you realize we are only sure of this one life to live, you will know that taking other people's life is never an option because everyone deserves a chance to live ..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists ! You Are Going To Hell ! by johnydon22(m): 5:40pm On Dec 05, 2015

[b] This thread betrays a lot of flaws in belief.. It betrays a lot of idiocy in Religious beliefs..

The alleged creator of the universe is threatening punny humans with violence and torture in order to get belief and worship from them...Such childishness, insecurity, sadism and all round absurdity on the part of the alleged all powerful creator of the universe.. even a human has never been such childish.

As to be threatening people begging them for belief or burn them..

People don't always realize how they ridicule and make nonsense of their own God concept and religion.

This is one of the reasons i can never in my life hold such a belief as an Abrahamic one.

People able to conceive a hateful, wrathful, vengeful God with chronic anger issues and insecurities that is going to burn anyone who do not believe as they do in a literal fire.

I can never conceive such evil in my heart let alone believe it..

Everyone here do not really need to know your religion inside out, but as long as it involves some barbaric childish angry God that is vying to burn people in a literal fire because they don't believe it or hurt it's ego.

Tells us everything we need to know about you, your religion and the God it professes..

I have wooed many girls in my life and if i recall correctly i have never said
to any of them "I love you, love me back or i hurt you" any sane mind will
see that everything should be wrong in that statement.
The very idea of me hurting her if she doesn't love me back nullifies my
confession of love for her.

Take another look at that statement, it is a blackmail and an abusive word. I
have threatened her so it is a blackmail, if she doesn't love me back i will
hurt her. It is a sheer blackmail giving her two nonsensical choices.

Now this is one of the reasons religious people do not know that they
themselves ridicule their God concepts even more than atheists, We have seen
everything wrong in the statement i presented above, but then again let us
show the very large scaled way this is used.…

God says "I love you, if you don't love me back i will burn you in hell forever"
Am sure everyone can now see everything wrong in this, it is blackmail, it is
blatant abuse and the very sadistic idea of punishing someone because they
don't reciprocate your love reveals egoism at a chronic level, it is barbaric as
well as it is repulsive and blatantly implausible.

Yet they want us to swallow that a perfect being operates within such childish egoism and abusive ways.
Come to think of it, God should be perfect right? Yes Yes God is perfect. God
is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, He is even omniperfect.

This very idea of perfection is a flaw in the character people have heaped on
their different God concepts. Let us see how.
God is perfect, perfection needs nothing. A circle needs nothing added to it to
make it 360°. At 360° a circle is perfect and it is impossible to add even 1°
and if you take away 1° and makes it 359° it ceases to be a circle.

So God is perfect, God needs nothing, you can never add anything to it neither
can you take away, perfection is just perfection.
If this is the case and God is perfect, this surely means such being needs
nothing like Worship, reverence, acknowledgement, praise and all these
because it is just perfect.

If God is perfect it simply means that all the worship and reverence etc are
useless because he doesn't need them, unless you assert it is not perfect
then i will agree it needs them to feed his ego and so feel important.

But religions drag their God concept too low to a level that it needs worship
and acknowledgement on daily basis, needs it real bad even threatens people
with eternal torture if you fail to give it, this very quality betrays the idea of
perfection and drags down the God concept to the state of Egoism,
Narcissism, sadism and all round imperfect.....

"Believe i exist and i reward you, disbelieve and i will hurt you so bad forever
in an eternal roasting fire" Can abuse and blackmail get any cheaper?

https://www.nairaland.com/2496350/questioning-implausibilities-giving-reason-chance

This thread affirms the reason people hold these beliefs is because of fear not because they really think there is a god, they just have to believe with fear so to escape a mythical burning torture chamber for people who don't.

You can only diminish your ability to live with such disturbing beliefs.. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 5:27pm On Dec 05, 2015

virginboy1:
I will love to see that happen.

Maybe you will..

Romance › Re: Guys, Can You Marry This Lady? PIC by johnydon22(m): 9:45pm On Dec 04, 2015

You will have to kill me first..

Christianity Etc › Re: I Have Prayed And Noting Is Happening by johnydon22(m): 9:25pm On Dec 04, 2015

Solomon19:
I want everything to turn around for me,have fast and don alot, but noting is working,am a chorister in my church,but nottin is work,have don alot of spiritual work...to no avail...Please advise me

Effects of religious indoctrinations.
Teaching children to pray to the skies for help in their problems will create adults that will be unable to solve their problems but keep relying on vague abstract concepts to solve their problems.

Keep praying, even sacrifice as much as you want to Jesus, Allah, Brahma or amadioha.

The only person that can help you is you in relation with social interactions.

If you do not get up to move that cup, nothing will move it for you. If you are waiting for any deity to move it for you then you are in for a very good long wait.

You have to accept your problems to be your responsibility, that is the only way you improve your chances of solving them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 9:18pm On Dec 04, 2015

HCpaul:
So you adopt the basis of knowledge that was created.

God said: "Rejoice not in knowledge." and boast not in the same.

King David said: "One thing i hear the Lord said, the Lord said that i am very powerful."

You should adopt power than how you depend on knowledge.

I see the most intelligent atheist dead and gone.

You can argue the creation of the universe but can you explain to me the origin of life?

Haaaa this is it..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 9:02pm On Dec 04, 2015

HCpaul:
But the difference between Muhammed and Jesus is that Muhammed died but Jesus was resurrected.

This is still according to the story.. Do you get it now?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 8:59pm On Dec 04, 2015

HCpaul:
Long time bro.
Are you for Christ or against christ.

He is for Christ just the way you are for Krishna.... Get it?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Preach To A Backslider Before? by johnydon22(m): 8:58pm On Dec 04, 2015

HCpaul:
So you are an igbo? How then did you become an atheist as an igbo man?

Yes i am an Igbo...Oh i became an atheist like many humans in this planet.. sceptical deductions.. upholding knowledge and not belief, calling myths to be myths and not assuming up fairies in the sky..

Should i tell you a short story of my life about spirituality?

Can i really read all that? Besides i have heard any thing you can say here before... After all i was once like that..

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