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Christianity Etc › Re: Disturbing Religious Selfishness (eroding Compassion) by johnydon22(op): 7:35am On Nov 30, 2015

bytemeister:
This trend is so common among religious folks, THANKING GOD IN EVERY SITUATION YOU SEE YOURSELF simply connotes ANYTHING can HAPPEN to ANYBODY ANYTIME...I thought the purpose of a father figure is to guide and protect one so y'd I subject myself to some sky daddy who will not stop me from dying either by accident of sickness.Seriously I don’t know if God exists, but it would be better for His reputation if he doesn't

Just like was asked in the Paris Attack brouhaha..

"PRAY FOR PARIS" why should one pray to a God who did nothing to stop the attack in the first place..

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Wish There Was A God (A Reply) by johnydon22(op): 7:33am On Nov 30, 2015

Okanokan:
There is GOD. and not was a

Noble belief but an assertion made without empirical substantiation is not any more than just assumptions.

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Christianity Etc › Disturbing Religious Selfishness (eroding Compassion) by johnydon22(op): 12:15am On Nov 30, 2015*

Being in a religiously saturated society i couldn't help but notice the selfishness exhibited by people...

A man once had an accident and was rushed to the hospital, a woman rushed to the scene and seeing the car had a striking resemblance to her husband's car was tensed and afraid until she saw the man involved and realized it wasn't her husband.

She was beside me, she sighed and said "Oh thank God it's not my husband, accident is not our potion"

The question that came to my mind and i asked her was "Whose potion is it and is accident the potion of that man? Will his family also thank God for it and is your husband worth saving than him"

She gave me a glaring look and walked away. Imagine the selfishness, she doesn't care someone had an accident she is happy its not someone that concerns her. And this we see in everyday people.

This uncanny selfishness and inability to relate to the suffering of others i find to be a disturbing trait instilled into people by some religious doctrines. It is as wicked as it is disturbing for one to rejoice and give thanks to their God for the misfortunes of others.

This i saw in one thread opened in the religion section where someone emphasized that by logging into nairaland and seeing the number of victims of tragedies and bad circumstances you should be happy and give thanks to God

https://www.nairaland.com/2657619/why-u-should-thank-god

. . . https://www.nairaland.com/2770877/sad-watch-video-tell-me

for what?

Leaving them experience tragedy and not you?

you are more deserving than others?

Such ideas are not only disturbing, it is extremely selfish, wicked, evil and a detriment to fully exhibiting human compassion in the face of other people's misfortunes because you will be busy thanking God that it is not you..

Thanking God for saving you from misfortunes shows you think God determines who misfortunes befall or not, so you are more deserving to be saved and not the countless million others out there ..

I ask is it right to bank on the tragedies of others to celebrate our own good
fortunes?

Is it right to rejoice over the misfortunes of others because it led to us being promoted; like a testimony i listened to where a man said he got promoted in his office to his dream post when another of his colleagues got fired without cause, it was a happy turn of event for him and so he was rejoicing and so was the church with him.

and they all forgot someone was really crying for loosing his source of
livelihood.

Have watched many Christians pray for the wealth of others to be given to them, yet in the delusional superstition of unnecessary fear they will accuse others of hoarding their wealth in the spirit therefore branding some unsuspecting fellow a devil.

who among you two is the devil here...?

Isn't it enough to agree that in the wonderful random world of ours that evil and good keeps the balance. that misfortune and tragedies befall both good and bad persons alike, that none of us is more deserving than others.

By this we would be open to relate to the sufferings of others, to the pains of others, to the cries of others thereby letting our sense of human compassion reach out to those in these tragedies.

Why should people encourage others to swim in such delusive disturbing and overly selfish mindset as Thanking their respective God in the face of other people's misfortunes because it was not them

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sad!! Watch This Video & Tell Me Why We Shouldn't Praise God by johnydon22(m): 12:13am On Nov 30, 2015

entbaze:
Hmm I don't know why illiterates like u are allowed on nairaland @johnydon22

Probably the same reason you were allowed Genius

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sad!! Watch This Video & Tell Me Why We Shouldn't Praise God by johnydon22(m): 11:54pm On Nov 29, 2015

[b] So people should thank God over the misfortunes of others?

what type of selfish, disturbing, evil mind do people possess these days in the name of theism.

This video shows a man with an overly enlarged scrotum, a man suffering and in pain yet all you could derive from it is to Thank God that it didn't befall you?

Are you more deserving than he is?

So God found it better to make you normal and give him and enlarged scrotal sack?

So you are thanking God for letting calamity befall others just because you are exempted from that calamity.

This is not only disturbing but is demeaning to human mind and is a severe wound to human compassion.

By banking on the misfortunes of others in other to thank what ever nonsense is it you are thanking because you are exempted from such misfortunes shows you off to be an egocentric, extremely selfish human devoid of basic human compassion.

Somehow in your deluded mind you think you are more deserving than others who misfortunes befall that's why you deem it right to thank your God because of the misfortunes of others.

I can never know what it is to possess such a sick and selfish mind mind without simple human compassion and concern for other people's misfortunes.. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Looking For You! by johnydon22(m): 11:24pm On Nov 29, 2015

virginboy1:
Bros you get Mind

Lol.. what type of mind?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is This Possible? by johnydon22(m): 11:09pm On Nov 29, 2015

alterswerve:
Wow! Well.. Okay.. Sounds like you are annoyed at God.. Aiid

[i
Annoyed at what now Jesus christ where do they get these people that read the back of their phone...

Seriously no offence but this deduction sells you off to be quite dumb [/i]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is This Possible? by johnydon22(m): 10:29pm On Nov 29, 2015

alterswerve:
Yup. Yeah. Yes. Definitely. Sure. Why not? Absolutely yes.

Don't make God small, believing he cannot do something

Its not about Believing or not believing anything..

BELIEF has no weight on reality, whether you believe or not doesn't diminish the ability if god can do it..

Or are you saying god's ability to do something is dependent on whether you believe it or not..

So stop the issue of believing it or not, let god start doing it...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is This Possible? by johnydon22(m): 10:25pm On Nov 29, 2015

Gofwane:
Hello everyone. I'm a christian and so many times, i've heard pastors saying nothing is impossible for God to do.

Now my question is: can a person whose legs or arms were amputated receive miraculous healing and have their legs or arms restored?

There is only one way that is possible..

BY SCIENCE(ING)THE SHIT OUT OF IT
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/uploads/RTEmagicC_prosthetic_leg_01.jpg.jpg

And with the new Bio-tech we have now that allows humans to grow flesh in the lab from one single cell we can create synthetic limbs that would not be anymore different than normal ones.

If you wait for any God in this planet to do this for you then am sorry, you are on a serious long thing cus you are waiting forever for that to happen.

Deities should be able to say "HI" before doing anything other than that they probably should stick with taking credits for malaria getting healed. .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Moved The Stone? Reloaded by johnydon22(m): 10:09pm On Nov 29, 2015

ValerianSteel:
Thanks,reading all these tonight made me weak,the human intelligence has been toyed with too much in the name of religión
The more answers one seeks,the more fallacies uncovered.

Religions have developed a whole lot of dogmas and beliefs based on nothing more substantial than childish myths and fantasies.

And this has established a dogmatic assumption among them that for no other reason but their own wishful thinking, delusion and clerical necessities.

These myths must be believed as truth and never questioned.. It is more like making mockery of human intellect..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Moved The Stone? Reloaded by johnydon22(m): 10:05pm On Nov 29, 2015

mamsong9:
I like you when you said theatre, because such thing have to be in theatre, Nollyhood style. I believe Hollyhood would do better.

Probably

Then another question is that:- Why did he have to eat meat in the presence of his disciples? Was it to prove that he is still alive or hungry of spirit? Definitely, SPIRIT DON'T NEED FOOD.

To prove a point that he was still a refined kind of entity, material but refined and so can be immaterial too..

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Looking For You! by johnydon22(m): 10:01pm On Nov 29, 2015

Teempakguy:
God is looking for me?

well, he had better be. I wasted the first sixteen years of my life looking for him. turns out he's really good at hiding.

well, i hope he finds me! I'm dying to have a chat with the old chap.

We have almost 5,000 deities (God) in this planet conceived and worshipped by humans..

If none of them can give me 5minutes of their time, none deserves a minute of mine.. I am mortal i seriously have better pressing human activities that needs doing..

I don't have all the time in the galaxy to waste

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Is Looking For You! by johnydon22(m): 9:59pm On Nov 29, 2015

estuaryfe:
God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is looking for you, so that you can worship Him.

In John 4: 23, The Lord Jesus Christ declared that "...the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

You see you people ridicule this concept of the creator of the universe to a level too low to fathom.

God who allegedly created the whole universe is looking for worship, is clamoring and begging for worship?

what exactly is something big and powerful enough to create the universe doing with your worship that it literally begs for it and gets pissed if you don't give it..?

What type of insecure, narcissistic humanoid is that..?

You all don't even imagine how absurd you lay out your God concepts to be, how abjectly poor and childish it is.

Anything that is begging or clamoring worship is narcissistic and that is not only a character flaw but a childish one that depicts a humongous insecurity.

This alleged creator of the universe is pitiably insecure and childish to be begging for worship from mere humans who live in a small spec of dust orbiting a tiny star in the tiny milky way gaaxy amidst billions of other galaxies..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Moved The Stone? Reloaded by johnydon22(m): 9:43pm On Nov 29, 2015

ValerianSteel:
Jonnydon22,ifeness what's your take on this.

[b]

Although the gospels tell us that the resurrected Jesus appeared and disappeared at will, popping up and vanishing "in the midst of them", it was still necessary to "move the stone" for him to exit the tomb.

But why?

Why didn't Jesus teleport out of the tomb leaving the stone in place? that would have been even more impressive and the more likely scenario for someone who had the ability to materialize in and out at will as Jesus was depicted to possess after resurrection in the gospel!

But somehow he still needed the stone to be moved?

The anomaly betrays the fabricated nature of the post-mortem appearances of the Christian godman. A god would not have needed to move the stone but the storyteller did! With the stone still in place who would have known something miraculous had happened?

A god that materializes in a closed room in Jerusalem, on the shore of Lake Tiberias, or on a mountain in Galilee, most certainly needed no stone moved to allow him to leave a tomb. But the narrator of a sacred play needed the "moved stone" as a theatrical flourish, in order that female visitors to the tomb (and the audience) could see "the body ... gone!"

the writer needed to convince the audience that the stone was empty so there was nothing on it..

Because if the stone was intact, nobody would really know if the body was still inside or not.

So you see, it was gravely important for our dear narrator to move the stone

We are talking theatre , not history.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Once Saved, Forever Saved??? by johnydon22(m): 8:08pm On Nov 29, 2015

Religions always have means of offering imaginary salvations from imaginary problem that it created itself..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Assuming If Science Takes Religious Process Of Learning. by johnydon22(m): 5:25pm On Nov 29, 2015

CoolUsername:
They do it because little kids can't point the obvious holes in their religious beliefs. Then, they reinforce those beliefs all through childhood so the child grows up to be a brainwashed member of the herd.

And when the kids who were once victims grow, they put their children through the same fate and so the trend continues ...

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Will You Do To An Atheist Gay Person? by johnydon22(m): 4:48pm On Nov 29, 2015

That you are gay doesn't make you any less human than every other person out there neither does it make you to deserve less love than any other out there.

You are as much a human as others and deserves as much love as every other person out there.

So i won't do anything. I will treat and respect you just as i treat and respect every of my friends.

But as long as you respect me and my own orientation too and not act funny (asin trying to touch me ) i am strictly straight so such thing would definitely piss me off.

Gays are as much humans as all of us, let us also accord them same love, respect and acceptance and not discriminate against others because of their orientation..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Rules For Islamic Stoning. by johnydon22(m): 3:39pm On Nov 29, 2015

keenn:
Johnny be careful how u criticize these guys.

Though babaric a religion it is I agree, don't u think u have giving much of ur details online.

We all can Imagine what an islamic fundamentalist can do.

As an agnostic am always careful how I castigate religion fanatics, since I am not sure if criticizing them will give me an eternal reward or something similar, I try to save my head and tongue in this very and singular life I am sure of
.
Be careful brother, pls

Thanks for your concern bro.. If given the chance many of my religious brothers here both Christian and Muslims can smoke my ass for real..

Christianity Etc › Re: Rules For Islamic Stoning. by johnydon22(m): 2:52pm On Nov 29, 2015

hahn:
A real pain in the everywhere

You can imagine such mindless savagery. . stoning women.. I want to see muslims defend such idiocy

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Christianity Etc › Re: Assuming If Science Takes Religious Process Of Learning. by johnydon22(m): 2:50pm On Nov 29, 2015

Pyrrho:
Not only do they take it seriously, they take it as unquestionable facts.

The major way to murder the intellectual development of the human species is to keep indoctrinating into human children with primitive beliefs and superstitions of a naive past..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Rules For Islamic Stoning. by johnydon22(m): 1:53pm On Nov 29, 2015

hahn:
It"ks actually religion of piece like guns=piece or piece of stones or pieces of pussii

One of the most ridiculous and idiotic religion that have been a major torn in the flesh of this century..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Rules For Islamic Stoning. by johnydon22(m): 1:41pm On Nov 29, 2015

Religion of Peace. . . Muslims keep deceiving themselves with that phrase..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Assuming If Science Takes Religious Process Of Learning. by johnydon22(m): 1:26pm On Nov 29, 2015

If science worked like religions asin relied on faith for basis nobody would have taken it serious.

E.G: I can't determine the radioactive decay of the element but i feel in my heart and i have faith that it is real, so it must be true.

None of us would have been taking such ridiculous basis serious but too bad people still take religious dogmas serious..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is White Wedding Not Just A Ceremony. by johnydon22(m): 1:22pm On Nov 29, 2015

hahn:
If they are married under tradition and not at a court or registry and without signing any legal document, is their matrimony legal?

When someone says Legal that person is referring to recognition by the political state.

No marriage is legal without prior recognition by the supreme state where the said individual is a citizen of.

So a traditional marriage right is by far a very valid ceremony, but since we are under a supreme political state NIGERIA legality must be in conformity to due recognition by the state.

that is why i mentioned notifying the local tribunal to provide necessary documents required by the state..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is White Wedding Not Just A Ceremony. by johnydon22(m): 6:50pm On Nov 28, 2015

hahn:
What does the constitution say as regards marriage?

As long as the two consenting adults have been dully registered in the tribunal, they are legally married couples..

So one can simply notify the local tribunal to provide official marriage certificates to be signed after the TRADITIONAL wedding..

Constitutional ---> Registered couples under the tribunal overseen by an official attorney and with two or more witnesses .. Married.

African tradition (the one am familiar with igbo) ---> Once dowry is paid and blessings given by the parents.. Married

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is White Wedding Not Just A Ceremony. by johnydon22(m): 6:43pm On Nov 28, 2015

hahn:
What of under the constitution?

I don't understand

Christianity Etc › Re: Is White Wedding Not Just A Ceremony. by johnydon22(m): 6:42pm On Nov 28, 2015

vooks:
Am asking why do you think paying dowry is marriage?

WHY?

Because it is an African cultural and ethical construct.

it stipulates once dowry is paid with all the necessary wine and ceremonies, the couple are married .. No addition no subtraction... we are Africans and that is our own societal norm

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is White Wedding Not Just A Ceremony. by johnydon22(m): 6:35pm On Nov 28, 2015

Niceman4u:
Atimes I think dat doing white wedding is just an optional ceremony. My take on marriage is: pay the lady's dowry nd u r a married man or both of u r married.

white wedding is not an African or christian tradition. white wedding originated from Britain.

According to the African tradition any girl whose dowry is paid and receives blessings from both parents during the ceremony is Married..

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Politics › Re: Video: Important Developments By GEJ That Buhari Has Destroyed by johnydon22(m): 9:10am On Nov 28, 2015

UncleSnr:
Lalasticlala, johnydon22's prophecy sorry, prediction, sorry, thought, sorry... I don't know, is becoming a reality.

I told them my thoughts that "Nigeria will wish they never let goodluck go"
https://www.nairaland.com/2751546/nigeria-wish-never-let-goodluck

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Christianity Etc › Re: Open Minded Discussions by johnydon22(m): 3:10am On Nov 27, 2015

rickfreeman:
well, I believe in the soul but we're free to have our own beliefs. . . I'm not going to condemn you to hell like a certain group of people would. . .

That'd be a joke cus am quite sure i would laugh at it as much as i would laugh at a little child telling me fairies won't give me a sweet because i don't believe in them..

lol. But check this out: in as much as we know that correlation does not always mean causation, what do you have to say about the correlation between man's decreasing regard for spirituality over time and the increasing size of the frontal brain.

This simply adds weight to evolutionary assertion of modifications in organisms in relation to environmental, psychological, physical, ecological factors tinkering with the general development of the specie...

Also note that for activities like dreaming and people in hypnotic states,etc (activities considered to be spiritual) brain activity is more active in the 'back brain' (excuse my English, lol)

Dreams, hypnotic states, automtism are all roped in the nuero-misfiring of the neurological system..

This affirms that what people mostly consider spiritual are simple occurring phenomenons roped around their ignorance..

. . .what explanation can you provide for known cases of reincarnation (look up the scottish boy who remembered his past life on the island of barra)?

I simply do not believe such claims unless demonstrated in a form of a quantum field of atom's duality establishing the plausibility of quantum projections of a dual occurring particles to quantify duality of a particular consciousness.

Telling me a little boy said he used to live before and pointed at someone going on his own as his murderer in the previous life is plain absurd and laughable to me.. But like i said above it's open to substantiation..

Yoruba's called those that reincarnated in quick succession abiku, Igbo's called them ogbanje, the Chinese too had their own name for it. . . How is it that civilizations that NEVER came in contact with each other 'imagined' the same concepts?

Every culture in this planet share one or two similarities, this is mostly because new cultures emerge from old ones and so debris of the old ones are bound to be felt in the new.

E.G---> Story of Noah in the bible has its basis on the Epic of Gilgamesh that predates it almost by a thousand years.

Unfounded superstitions as this i have always found to be a simple misunderstanding or misinterpreting of little phenomenons.

"A boy is born with a scar on his stomach" people remembers one of the dead relatives had a similar scar, voila the boy is the dead relative reincarnated.. Now tell me how distinct cultures could not come up with such deductions in such circumstances..?

Why have our forefathers been able to communicate using sorts of telepathic connections using 'ifa' long before science invented the wireless telephone?

I have seen a youtube of one IFAA talking brouhaha, turns out it was such a huge disappointment that i wonder how people ruminate such..

If you're a Nigerian you cannot deny the fact that these things exist, (unless you have not come across people who can do this which I suggest you do if you're truly looking for enlightenment. you might be able to explain it and prove me wrong). . .

I always champion demonstration as a basis of empirical deductions. . . I am a Nigerian and i have seen many of these claims they are nothing more than tricks, natural manipulations, and events people just don't grasp how it is done..

To me science is a primitive form of spirituality, as advanced as science may seem.

[b] Oh this can be said to be true. . . Most ancient scientific disciplines (Known as Natural Philosophies) are rooted in a kind of superstition and spiritism.. . They see unravelling the mysteries of nature to be a mystical art and thus the endorsement of several unfounded superstitions into it.

Astrology of the ancient would observed the milky way band in the night sky and turn around to assert it is the breast milk of hera in terms of Hellenistic astrologers. . showing they have no clue what exactly they were dealing with **Such superstitions are flimsy and unfounded as bangs on stark ignorance..)

Modern astronomy (which is astrology without the superstition) would observe the milky band and then probe further in order to ascertain what in actuality the occurring phenomenon is and not formulate a kind of archaic superstition.

Keeps showing that what people regurgitate as spirituality/spirity are just natural occurring events that is roped around their fear and ignorance.. [/b]

Ifa have been counting their seeds and sending visual and audio telepathic messages in SETS OF 16 long before the computer was invented. . .

Don't want to sound blunt but this IFA IFA IFA yorubas mostly yarn about, one might think it would be an outstanding phenomenon worthy of scientific enquiry, a bit of a dose from youtube i was disappointed to my marrows that i do not feel obligated to explain to people the results of their own gullibility.

these are all phenomena we are yet to understand. With all these, why experiences have led you to conclude that this physical body is all there is to man? Please share with me. It'd be interesting to hear your point of view

I do not see any relationship between events that are not understood yet with the continual existence of an independent conscious NOTHING asserted to be a soul.

There are many things we yet don't understand about the universe and most of the things you listed here to me are quite elementary and childish, none the less they do not in any way suggest what you are trying to relate them to.

For one to assert the actuality of an undying consciousness independent of neuro-electro impulses as we know it, that person would have to back it up by establishing he/she was once a conscious entity before this biological machine called Body..

In all i have always found such concepts to be selfish wishful desires of a mind unable to accept the absoluteness of death in the relation to consciousness of a biological entity..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Open Minded Discussions by johnydon22(m): 1:55am On Nov 27, 2015

rickfreeman:
blind faith never got anyone anywhere. . . it can easily be shaken when someone with a more convincing religion comes in

This can take time and mostly aggressive at the first sight of a negating ideology.

Only if a mind is receptive can it be able to discard things believed by Faith but it's never easy the most i have seen

True conviction only occurs by personal experience and that is why I dont believe in any form of organised religion.

Personal experiences that can be demonstrated for substantiation. . You see when it comes to a known fact nobody needs Faith to believe it.

Nobody here requires faith to know there is a sun up there, we are sure of it only unsure concepts require faith for basis which to me is quite punny.

When a personal experience is legit and can be demonstrated it is excused from the confines of faith but when personal experience claim is rooted in attribution of unrelated events to unrelated causes, that'd be a worse form of delusion

people can come together to share ideas, but don't turn it to religion.

sure

what about you? what position do you take on this? do you believe in the concept of the soul and body? or do you think man is this body and physical death on earth is his end?

[b]
Mostly what humans call Soul is the MIND and the mind is a product of neurological impulses and interactions rooted in general perceptibility of the entity.

I do not believe the claim of a Mind independent of it's causes which is Consciousness, neuroperceptibility..

So if by SOUL one means an independent conscious nothing that exists after death then "No i don't believe that"

Death to me is absolute, but yet i wouldn't like to maintain that absolutely to be an absolute truth i can point it out to be an opinion.

Atoms in our body are components of elements known to be formed in star cores, it is the interactions of these different atoms of different sources brings out the entity perceived to be you and after the seizure of metabolical interactions i think the human components or that of any living organism assimilates back into natural circle as every other natural components.

Unless somehow those interacting atoms that defines you are recycled back exactly as they were with similar or exact impulses, i doubt if there ever will be a conscious you again.

after all there have not been a You before this body.. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Open Minded Discussions by johnydon22(m): 1:09am On Nov 27, 2015

rickfreeman:
this is exactly my problem with most theists and religions. . . they force their followers to blindly follow concepts they don't even understand. . .

An assertion based on faith was never meant to be understood or expected to make sense in the first place.

It is an injection of stoic emotional conviction over a premise asserted against reason and so must be protected against reason..

I am a theist myself, and I've been reading the grail message, which I am yet to filly grasp. so for the time being I refer to myself as an agnostic theist: I believe there is a God but I can't prove it. . . .

I'd call this a noble position, because it recognizes that "belief" is just that "belief".. You recognize that your belief does not make the concept true but rather just your beliefs which you recognize chances of being either wrong or right but do not push it as a universal truth.

So what's your take on gnostic atheists, and how do you think they arrive at their conclusions?

Gnostic atheism is as stoic as gnostic theism.. One asserts it knows for sure God exists, the other asserts it knows for sure God doesn't exist. . . These two are rather emotional position other than results of enquiry or curiosity.

I'd rather advice people not to make absolute statements of entertain stoic convictions FOR or AGAINST any unproven premise...

Most gnostic atheists I've met have been able to disprove concepts of God held by other people, but haven't been able to prove that God doesn't exist.

[b]
It is impossible to disprove an unproven concept..

An atheist trying to do that is just swimming in his or her own delusion.. God or Gods are unproven concepts and as such asking one to disprove the actuality of such claims is tantamount to asking one to disprove NOTHING.

On premises held on to by something as FAITH, i see no where such things can be ascertained to be or not to be in actuality even if it's just a figment of the claimants imagination.

Example -- I can tell you right now that i have a one diamond cut human sized television in my room now..

There is no way you can ever hope to disprove that i don't neither can you prove that i have..

The onus is on me as the claimant to provide proof of my diamond television not the person who doubts it or my lack of proof of what i claim i have is enough for anybody to dismiss my claim as mere wishful thinking.

Same goes to theists, the onus is on the person who claims there is a God not the person who doubts it or lack of proof can be used as basis for negation [/b]

Even Steven Hawking and his theory of the multiverse: It requires the same leap of faith that most religions do to believe in it, though he came about his hypothesis by logical reasoning.

One huge gap between scientific postulations and Faith is that no scientific hypothesis is believed to be true until proven to be..

Like the Stephen Hawking's multiverse, nobody is in any way arguing that it is true and so should be believed, No everybody in the science community recognizes it to be a plausible and possible hypothesis but it doesn't gain weight until proven..

Perhaps through a wormhole if one is observed to be existential.

Scientific assertions are open to doubt, scrutiny, questions and do not assert to have reached absolute truth at any point... So the Multiverse hypothesis remains a hypothesis until proven otherwise and no scientist would ever tell you they believe and feel it must be true therefore it is true.. No!!

Unlike Faith that insists that it's assertions even though unsupported by tangible evidence maintains to be absolute universal truths which is to me an absurd and arrogant position.

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