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 Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Is This Justice??? by johnydon22(op): 8:34pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Worth a better debate... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Oppression Of Muslims By Christians. by johnydon22(m): 8:00pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Tizzie: But thats impossible because Christianity and Islam are not. . . so trying to overlook these religions will be a much graver injustice than the one you are trying to accuse others of perpetrating against islam.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Religion As A Tool For Impoverishing Nigerians. by johnydon22(m): 7:57pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lol... this guy shaaa... You have been here before me you should have witnessed the evolution of Dalaman from Christianity to becoming atheistic. You can simply go check and research into his old threads, Dalaman was a top notch Christian before not a muslim.. I nearly died of laugh as you are shouting accusation like a market woman in a movie scene..  Dalaman was an ex-Christian not a muslim. . . You only think this way because he sometimes uses islamic God in some of his analogies when arguing with a Christian...You funny shaa... 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Divine And Unique. Yet So Much Disagreement. by johnydon22(m): 7:47pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
plappville: The matter is your comprehension of that line... Biblical conflicting interpretation is from one source (BIBLE) Quranic conflicting interpretation is from one source (Quran) Hindu Veda conflicting interpretation is from one source (Veda) You mistake is that you take the bible as a subject of point when i referred to these books but my assertions was very clear.. " Similarly the Quran and many other religious books also spark up different interpretation stemming from one source." it is clear your infusion of bible into this assertion is of your own making and poor comprehensibility. The book i mentioned in the assertion is the subject of my point of that assertion not the bible... Please please understand it.. I don't have to start arguing with you na. Should I? Not really you only need comprehend.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Odinani: The Sacred Arts & Sciences Of The Igbo People by johnydon22(m): 7:29pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
sonOfLucifer: Surely i will open a thread on it for awareness and get more volunteers. . . Yet we would need private board shielded from public eyes to share and deduct approximations from our research... I'm hoping I'll be in Nigeria by the end of the year. Maybe, we could meet up sometime next year. I'm especially interested in the travelling part, hopefully we get to see a few shrines and drink palmy with the dibias. Surely if i am in Nigeria by then, the Palm wine and goat meat in dibia's shrines and Igwe palaces would be a no miss for me  1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Divine And Unique. Yet So Much Disagreement. by johnydon22(m): 7:24pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
plappville:Which other books are you talking about  The book i was referring to on my post is the bible itself as a matter of fact.. **Comprehension**My mention of other books is that they all spark up different interpretations ... seriously you all should always read to comprehend.. So since bible copied from Gilgamesh epic then Gilgamesh epic is divinely inspired? Seriously i wonder how you all think, these are mere mythological and cultural assimilation 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Oppression Of Muslims By Christians. by johnydon22(m): 7:16pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Tizzie:Is Islam the only religion you know? Fridays are special days in islamic countries without considering the Christians there why should others make the same adjustment for the muslims? After all they are all free to go to the mosque on fridays, Salah's are observed as holidays by everybody in Nigeria.. Maybe Scandinavian religious adherents would then demand Thursdays become special days. And considering every religion and their days of observations then we would have the 7 days of the week as special days.. African traditional religion have festive days and special days but i don't see people observing those days as special days even when we are in Africa. If anybody should complain then it should be AFRICAN TRADITIONAL RELIGION not islam... 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Odinani: The Sacred Arts & Sciences Of The Igbo People by johnydon22(m): 7:06pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
sonOfLucifer:I have been thinking on how we can start, have even started reading some stuffs on it ... many sites to visit all round igbo lands with enquiry into their oral traditions.. Should we use a new thread or whatsapp group... 1 Like 1 Share
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Oppression Of Muslims By Christians. by johnydon22(m): 7:03pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Tizzie: We are under no obligation to make fridays recognized as a full work day under our constitutional charter to be a rest day because of some religious activity.. Religions has delved deep enough into our government allowing more of such will do more harm than good to our economic stability.. I do not support this motion, Let fridays be free days to islamic countries and Sundays same to Christian nations (Though many times secular) Sunday as a rest day has become more of a tradition than a religious observation.. After all originally sunday is just a Roman-worship rest day in honour of the Sun God...and remember we are using a roman calender.. But let both religious ideas stay clear off a secular independent government... 3 Likes 3 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Oppression Of Muslims By Christians. by johnydon22(m): 6:45pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
I will really like if one more off day is added seriously who wouldn't love 3 days in a weekend  But seriously Op i think in Islamic countries Sundays are normal days and fridays are special off days. And also for Secular nation government agencies work round the clock both sunday and friday, off day is by choice. But am starting to love the idea of three days weekend 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheists Handle Morality In The Absence Of God by johnydon22(m): 5:37pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
BETATRON:[b] For science it was gravitational singularity or quantum fluctuation, deductively one could conclude that this your claim of an intelligent God is just an anthropomorphical personification of this forces. "Nothing move until something Moved" this line of argument works more against your premise than for it. Because since Nothing can move unless Moved then the God you propose which in your argument should not be quantified as nothing cannot move unless moved. By asserting that God actually didn't need to be moved by something, haven't you failed in your own argument by showing something can actually move without being moved. The universe as we know is still a huge unsolved maths to us and we should focus on solving it rather than assuming up answers like anthropomorphical deities. For all we know it could be One out of countless other universes and it keeps getting bigger spanning the stretch of our imaginations, again this assumption of asserting an anthropomorphical deity does not answer the question in anyway... If by God one means Gravitational or any other proven force controlling natural interactions then such premises can be looked into but asserting an almost humanoid persona it slips down the drain of primitive assumption and personification. Something moved others, the question then is "what did?" Science proposes a gravitational singularity, you propose a deity. . . I'd rather trust an observed fact than invisible suppositions.. [/b] ..and as you know this prime mover must have no beginning and no ending.The MUST i bolded betrays a mind that wishes to substitute his supposition of how he THINKS it should be with what Might be. There is no place it is asserted something Must have no beginning in order to begin others. Going by this one can simply assert GRAVITY is an infinitely eternal value and in actuality many things we have observed about this universe revolves around gravity. When someone says THIS PRIME MOVER, it is ok for you to assert what you really take that prime mover to mean because it can be anything. But when you assert a human-like intelligent diety as the prime mover who has a golden mansion somewhere as the prime mover this brings down your depiction of the prim mover to a childish mundane figure stemming from supposition and child-like superstition in representing values. it takes an equal level of understanding to understand something.generally you can't expect a child to start solving quantum physics.. Exactly and when a child starts claiming to possess knowledge in Quantum physics without empirical substantiation at the same time turns around to tell me "He as a child cannot comprehend quantum physics, it is outrageous to reason and it outrightly absurd. God is infinite knowledge and it takes infinite knowledge to describe Him as you know we humans don't possess that infinite knowledge. This is exactly what i expected, you assert God is impossible to comprehend except with infinite knowledge same you turn around to assert God is infinite knowledge, how would you know if you can't even comprehend God? This is always the weak point in assumptions because it gives birth to more and more assumptions in order to make a support for the previous assumption.. .and to describe something you do it relatively but God as no equal and that is why He cannot be described -Yea same you would turn around and describe it to be infinite knowledge (which is a description itself) -In order cases employ the full tenets of anthropomorphism like Golden mansions -emotions -Likes to be worshipped. This whole concept betrays these claims to be nothing more than wishful thinking. . . If by God one means an eternal value of causality then i would maintain such a thing is a subject of study as i rightly asserted above. Placing this Value to mean an intelligent being somewhere only betrays an assumptive imaginative mind... Good you already stated that you don't know how the universe came to be, since you have no complete knowledge about the universe why oppose the fact that there can't be a God Accepting "You don't know" in a premise where knowledge is lacked is a beautiful form of intellectual humility and honesty. Unlike you i agree i don't know and there is open to knowing in a way of systematic and empirical substantiation and not assume up answers like "a deity did it" You fill the gap left by your ignorance with such assumptions and tend to dub it a universal truth, that i wouldn't take without proof. This form of argument is termed "argumentum ad ignorantum" "I don't know then this must have done it" It doesn't work that way bob, you can't just assume up any answer in a premise where you lack knowledge without empirical substantiation.. I do not negate your "God did it hypothesis" i only demand empirical substantiation of which is almost impossible and that is why it has to rely on the claim to add weight to it. the human is only being that fits exactly into a sphere and a circle..meaning he has both spiritual and physical nature..it is innate in this being that there exists a all powerful God somewhere This is a blatant lie, it is not in anyway innate in man to propose the existence of a deity, such postulations arose from the unavailability of answers and the void created by such ignorance. Primitive men have been known to anthropomorphically represent almost everything, The God Neptune was once held responsible for storms at sea now nobody does that. That you are still clutching on this personification of natural laws is of your own making and not an innate human quality. For the spiritual side i wouldn't dabble into a premise i have absolutely no idea what you mean by it because spirituality means many things to many people in diverse cultures... if you claim all this things came into being by chance....then how is it possible that all this things take such a sophisticated nature that only elite scientist can't delve into their depth and bring out the beauty behind them? Isn't knowledge the result of knowledge and order? Still clutching on this "Argumntum ad ignorantum" I don't really know what you term CHANCE because to me natural interactions are diverse and natural manifestation has no one way of manifesting. One would want to know what you mean by Knowledge and order.. Because Knowledge as we know it is simply perception of what is. Order is not a natural universal order, in fact the universe has been observed and is still a chaotic rhyme of interactions. Supernovas beget White dwarves, Blackholes, collusion of galaxies make larger ones or collision of asteroid on a planetary body makes other debris and moons. Like i showed with the picture of a sand dune, order and artistic depiction of such phenomena does not in any way connote an invisible intelligent artist somewhere b simply remnants of a chaotic reaction (Wind on dust)... Also you dnt know what caused the sand dune and still refute the possibilities that something created it.did it just pop out of no where, Sand dunes are action of wind on dust not some invisible artist, You might have no argument to support your assertion of some humanoid deity speaking things into existence in contrast to observed elementary facts that natural interactions lead to more natural interactions and spans into a chain of mor actions and reactions. Hurricanes are works of the God neptune, am sure you think so too because hurricanes didn't just pop out of no where... Are humans the result of mere chance? Last i checked even the anthropomorphic creator you assert still boils down to chance. As an intelligent being, it existed literally forever then suddenly decides to create everything... "Boredom" I would always maintain that you don't know how anything started simply means you don't, no need assuming up answers that only end up postponing the question instead of answering it.. Can unconsciousness be the result of consciousness Consciousness simply put is awareness (Perception)... A plant is plant is photoperceptive and so is aware of light. So far consciousness is as a result of interaction neuroperception in an entity. . . Maybe following your line of argument, for God who supposed to be conscious to exist then they should be another conscious source to create it. Or as usual you would still fail to uphold the argument of a MUST conscious casualty when it comes to this God? it is called special pleading.. If every consciousness must require another to exist then God would require another conscious source in order to possess consciousness.. My NETWORk iS PISSING ME OFF, so our discussion my not go well today ,some other time hopefully Couldn't agree more my data is as good as spent... 1 Like 4 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Divine And Unique. Yet So Much Disagreement. by johnydon22(m): 4:44pm On Nov 04, 2015*. Modified: 7:36pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
[b]You may do well to distrust anybody who claims to know so well what God wants or even writes it in a book, i have always noticed it is mostly in coincide to their own ideas and selfish egoistic dogma or sometimes culture. Similarly the Quran and many other religious books also spark up different interpretation stemming from one source. With every new interpretation hoping to outwit the old as the better one and with every knew emergence comes more conflict of ideas, dogma and doctrines which ultimately leads to emergence of another in reformation and ends up being exactly what others are. Every person claims so strongly that theirs is the right one and others are simply deceived, where as in Christianity it spans to almost 40,000 distinct sects and doctrines all hewn from the same source each person interpreting it to suit his own personal ideas or ego. The funny part is that they all claim some super spirity power is leading their distinct and most time contradicting interpretations. It is either the spirit is drunk or maybe confused Or there simply was none in the whole saga just MEN interpreting one text to suit their own personal ego or conform to their own ideology of how it should be blaming it on a spirity stuff... [/b] 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Afghan Lady Stoned To Death For Adultery While The Man Got Caned by johnydon22(m): 4:09pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Haven't heard of Jews stoning anybody of late, The state of Israeli right now is even a secular one rather than religious, so such actions should be illegal, they even recognize gay unions but has not passed it into legal bill yet. Modern Judaism being a modified version now has a new codec called the Halakhah and is derived from the TORAH (five books of moses), TALMUD and RABBINIC laws... 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheists Handle Morality In The Absence Of God by johnydon22(m): 3:52pm On Nov 04, 2015*. Modified: 4:21pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
BETATRON: But that someone got to be without another creating it right? . . . The thing is not everything needs some kind of intelligent being to create, interactions of natural elements give rise to natural entities and with each resulting reaction leads to more and more reactions and actions. I cannot claim to know how the universe came to be, it is still a subject of scientific study till today and i'd maintain i don't know than assume up answers to fill that gap.. Isn't it an acceptable fact that behind every work of art there is an artist?, That is if you term supernovas work of art, tsunamis, blackholes. . . . The sand dunes in the deserts https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/sand-dune-1.jpg depict outstanding artistic beauty but does this mean it was done by some invisible artist in the desert? No, it was simply an action of wind on matter (dust) in the desert, that one doesn't know what causes sand dunes doesn't mean someone drew it... behind every law there is a law maker,behind every invention there is an invention When one asserts natural laws they tend to forget the fact that these are in no way judicial-like laws but rather observed ways of natural manifestations. When you assert a claim you should be able to substantiate with actual proofs not try to boycott unrelated natural entities to be works of your asserted creator-deity who remarkably needs no creator to exists. Nobody is opposing your creator hypothesis, i regard it hypothetical and personally i'd rather trust in observed facts and established truthful approximations by systematic deduction than rely on assumptions stemming from my ignorance of how thing came to be. It is known that Action of gravity on Matter (nebula) forms stars not some invisible deity shouting to himself.. I'd rather not fill up gaps left by ignorance with ancient superstition... 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Discussion Thread For Johnydon22 And I by johnydon22(m): 3:36pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Remilekun101: Welcome back, having a pretty boring slow day here though, too weak to even pay attention to some mentions. Anyway yeah have heard about Ouija board, what about it? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheists Handle Morality In The Absence Of God by johnydon22(m): 3:22pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Pheeeew i knew this was were it would land. . . . It is normal for one who think some God created everything to hold that line of thought... 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Afghan Lady Stoned To Death For Adultery While The Man Got Caned by johnydon22(m): 3:16pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: WTF is wrong with you people, do you guys read the back of your phones or something or simple comprehension? Where in my post did i accuse Christianity of it exactly I only asserted the fact that Deuteronomy is an original Judaic law and not a christian law.. Judaism is still practised in the world today and last i checked thatNext time you all want to quote me, make sure it is related to my post you quote cus this daft quotes is getting really out of hand... 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheists Handle Morality In The Absence Of God by johnydon22(m): 3:10pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: My empathy stems from my societal interactions in relation to others, maybe you should have read the post many times over ... 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Atheists Handle Morality In The Absence Of God by johnydon22(m): 2:41pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Its called "EMPATHY" contrasting my own feelings in relation to an action to that of others... Your definition of a bad action may differ from mine because i only recognize actions with negative or positive effect to collective societal or individual well being promotes or is a detriment to justice, equality, freedom to be either good or bad. I wonder what "Thing" you are referring to here... lets hear it 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Afghan Lady Stoned To Death For Adultery While The Man Got Caned by johnydon22(m): 2:38pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
trapQ: Judaism is still practised in the world today and last i checked that Deuteronomy he quoted is a Judaic scripture borrowed by Christianity. Getting defensive about Christianity here only stems from your own insecurity to shield your religion from Criticism but as a matter of fact the Op did not mention Christianity. The verse he quoted is a very much revered scripture of Judaism and the Laws are very much alive to them, they don't even know anything like a new testament. So forget the unnecessary defence the verse was not about Christianity, am not seeing any Judaic person complaining here and it is their scripture, what is the issue? 10 Likes 5 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Afghan Lady Stoned To Death For Adultery While The Man Got Caned by johnydon22(m): 2:09pm On Nov 04, 2015*. Modified: 5:05pm On Nov 05, 2015 |
[b] Islam is one of the few beacons of abject misogyny left in the world today, a society where men are taught that it is their divine right to lord it over women. A society were abuse, injustice and many times death of a woman in the hands of mindless chauvinistic men is a norm. A stupi_d society where a rape victim is punished instead of consoled, where men kill little girls who are rape victims in the name of honour restoration. Women are maimed, beaten, abused, denied basis right and killed in their thousands just because some men chose to uphold the commands of some illiterate medieval arab man who thought flying horses were real. The jewish society society as recorded in the bible no doubt held such chronic misogyny as a divine law but this is the 21st century. it baffles me how some morons will still deem it ok to uphold such relic of a barbaric primitive past. Imagine humans going down the line of a primitive past behaving more or less like stark savages. I have always maintained my stance that "Islam to me is an imbecli_c tool that has shamelessly kept many modern humans in a primitive state the world have moved past long ago..."[/b] 18 Likes 3 Shares |
| Politics › Re: What Is Wrong With This Screenshot Of Gombe State's Website? (pic) by johnydon22(m): 2:02pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
Second man's picture tho looks like a got a serious nut case of a wife waiting for him back home |
| Politics › Re: China Ends One-child Policy, Allowing Families Two Children by johnydon22(m): 1:57pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
By 2050 world population is expected to clock 9billion and with China's new policy i am seeing that being a reality. Nigeria is a hugely populated country and this also contributes to the headache in the rule of government here in Nigeria. I think Sex Counselling and Birth control education campaign should be encouraged mostly in our sub-urban and rural areas. Educate the parents on the need for birth control and limited number of Children in relation to your income in order to give the ones you have the best life you can give. For me i am team 2 kids, 3 at most if bae insists.. |
| Politics › Re: APC Will Win Bayelsa Governorship Election – Tambuwal by johnydon22(m): 1:49pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
I have never seen such Childish politics as the one being played by APC this political season. How will this government ever have direction when it's sole aim is to play party politics and witch-hunting instead of finding means to move the nation forward. We all know every party rigs election in Nigeria, APC is not a saint either in that regard. In rivers state Election both parties surely rigged the election but the better player got the captain batch. I am watching as this simpleton-like politics and government is being played out for the next 4years. For Rivers state Election, i am sticking my bet up for PDP again, though it will be a tough call...[/i] |
| Science/Technology › Re: Galaxies by johnydon22(op): 10:30am On Nov 04, 2015*. Modified: 6:59am On Nov 13, 2015 |
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| Culture › Re: Celebrating The Rich History And Culture Of Igbo People by johnydon22(m): 2:29am On Nov 04, 2015 |
biafranqueen: Will mention you on a thread for the volunteers.... Thank you 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Celebrating The Rich History And Culture Of Igbo People by johnydon22(m): 2:17am On Nov 04, 2015 |
Wow nice one, found it really educating and beautifully entertaining.... .I always have a sudden rush of deep adoration for my people when ever i am taken down historical line with works like this. Thanks BiafranQueen, i am hoping you will be joining my team of volunteers who are to research deeply and together work out a well approved book on the actual History Culture Tradition Evolution of the Igbo land and people. . . . Would you care to join us? 1 Like |
| Celebrities › Re: Beautiful Photos Of Paul Okoye And Tiwa Savage On Set Together by johnydon22(m): 12:01am On Nov 04, 2015 |
| Culture › Re: Some Old Pictures Of Nigerian Ethnic Groups And People by johnydon22(m): 10:49pm On Nov 03, 2015 |
| Culture › Re: Some Old Pictures Of Nigerian Ethnic Groups And People by johnydon22(m): 8:40pm On Nov 03, 2015 |
Wow nice one, educating and intriguing... It is always a thing of joy going back to the days, seeing the wonderful rich colourful heritage that we are rich in. Africa and Nigeria is filled with such colourful cultures that its almost a shame watching us get lost in other people's cultures letting ours slip down the drain and die a slow but painful death. Its time we reconnected and preserved these rich cultures left by our fathers to us, it is our only identity in this world that distinguishes us from others and is very unique. I love this... Proudly and always Repping Igbo 100% 20 Likes 3 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Greater Church Of Lucifer Under Attack By Texas Christians by johnydon22(m): 7:43pm On Nov 03, 2015 |
krattoss:[b] Religions beg for rights when it has none, but it chooses to trample on the rights of others when it gets it. If this was in the Medieval ages when Christianity ruled Europe, those satanists would have been literally burnt at the stake... No wonder it's called Dark ages in human history. Scientists, sorcerers, heretics, atheists, those accused of witchcraft, blasphemers were all burnt at the stake or killed using many kinds of horrific methods by Christianity. This is what we are seeing here, People (Christians) who are exercising their rights of religion at the same time vying to deny others (Satanists) their own right of religion. Exactly what we see when muslims accord christians the same favour but Christians scream out that they are being persecuted but look here they are persecuting others here. Or maybe when Christians are persecuting others it is not persecution. If anybody finds Islamic religious intolerance and persecution against Christians to be wrong But finds what these ones are doing here to be right then that person is not just a hypocrite but also needs to re-evaluate his/her moral basis. Because religious freedom means you are free to practise your own religion and so goes to every other person. It doesn't mean anybody has the right to force others to live by your beliefs.... This is what we are seeing here. "People trying to deny others freedom to exercise their own rights while freely exercising theirs [/b] 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Greater Church Of Lucifer Under Attack By Texas Christians by johnydon22(m): 7:36pm On Nov 03, 2015 |
Anas09: I would say using a movie as a source for fundamental knowledge basis is practically flawed. Angels and Demons is fiction and that you rely on it to spite catholicism is really a poor ground to stand on. Like krattos suggested, maybe one could also cite Da Vinci Code to assert Jesus was gay. You seem to be quite interested in knowing then i advice you don't use movies as a basis, you need to read.. I hate it when Christians use unfounded claims to spite other Christians. . 1 Like 1 Share |
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