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UyiIredia:
Some claims will be false this is why there is a need to separate the wheat from the chaff. It doesn't follow that all claims of visions of heaven are false and illusory. Your materialism simply blinds you to the fact.

abduljabbar4:
Well, you see, as much as i believe there is God, Allah, i have to confess there is no way i or anybody can really convince you about His existence if you are not ready to believe but you can also not prove that He doesnt exist.

So its all about belief.

Since you dont believe in His existence, its ur own cup of tea na. I see no reason for this argument. The christians think they are always right thats why you frequently end up arguing with christians alone

abduljabbar4:
Even though im a Muslim, i think the op won this argument. But take for example, prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) gave us signs of end time and many other things that were not existing during his time and now we are seeing it and many other things.

Both the christians and the op are only wasting their time. [size=20]None of you can provide a clear evidence of whether God exists or not. Its all about belief[/size]

KingEbukasBlog:
This keeps getting interesting . Thanks for the response again . But I need to know the views of other atheists . cc : plaetton , hahn , davien , dalaman , ifeness , kay17 , (frank317 ) , freecocoa , Krystalzkris, menesheh , Goosebaba , macof .

UyiIredia:
My dad was a pagan, he didn't dream of pagan heaven with his ancestors, he drram of Jesus and heaven which he didn't believe.

He isn't the only one. Joseph wanted to put away Mary and he had a dream urging him otherwise.

Muslims and atheists experience NDE's where they see Jesus and heaven. Why ignore that? The vast differences in people's NDE experience shows that God transcends the boxes of various religions, it's only a mind trapped in a that will insist it means it's all hogwash.

No probe about my Dad I expect to see him again.

KingEbukasBlog:
So johnydon22 . From your response I deduced that some atheists are superstitious . Please , am I wrong ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Some atheists peddle Evolution as science

and cannot explain why we evolved certain features instead it is seen or described as an 'evolutionary need' - evolution-of-the-gaps also known as "evolution did it ". Should we call them ignorant too ?

Please I need an honest "yes" or "no" answer and then your reason . Thanks bro

KingEbukasBlog:
Because they do not know what they believe in . If someone just believes in God and rejects the supernatural events concerned with religion , he is a deist .

That is not theism it is deism . An atheist can never believe in entities such as ghosts , demons because they associated with the supernatural . And their existence cannot be explained naturally.

Please stop writing stuff boldly in a forum like this . UyiIredia is not naive , you are the one who is . And the fact it was boldly written makes it more embarrassing .

And 3 'likes' and 5 'shares' show desperate the typical gullible naive atheist on Nairaland is . They are ready to support your comment as far as its against the view of the religious

kingkaspa:
What else can i do than to laugh at your stupidity and immaturity.

ichommy:
Nobody push you to this Thread. Whats ya own headache about the write Up. Mtcheww

HCpaul:
I believe that you are independent of God, but i don't think that you are independent of the devil.
At some level, satan is also an athiest.
Jonnydon! Why did you believe what the bible says and you still claim that there is no God.
The bible talked about the earth and you believed it.
The bible talked about death and you believed in it because you see people dying.

Keep decieving yourself. You are not an athiest but a backslider.
Have never seen bill gate quoting the scripture, and yet he is an athiest.

Challenging the saints with the scripture is a manifestation of loosing one salvation.
You was once found but lost.

hahn:
Let me tell you one absurd story.

My wife's father's pastor lost his wife in a ghastly accident. He told me they were together when she decided to buy something to cook dinner while he was preparing for service. He waited for about 3 hours and she didn't show up. He called her number but it was unavailable. Then he decided to go and look for her. When he got outside of the house, someone told him there had been a serious accident just in front of the house and told him the hospital to check. He then decided to go to the hospital to see for himself. The first body he was shown was that of his wife. Honestly, it was devastating. They've been married for years and have 5 kids together.

Now, while I was at the house(he came to my in-laws house), I over heard him telling some ladies that his wife appeared to him [size=20]in a dream[/size] and told him that she is now in heaven. He also said that his wife told him that she was found pure and holy but wouldn't have made heaven because of the weave-on on her head but god forgave her and told him to warn women not to put on weave-on.

Frank317, ifeness, plaetton, menesheh, shollyps I need your input on this. Despite the fact that I find this truly disturbing, I feel he just needed a way to cope with the situation. However, I still feel funny about the whole thing.

UyiIredia:
So what? Jesus is God incarnate in the flesh. I think you should take a closer look at NDE accounts to see their similarities.

BTW don't rule out experiences of re afterlife through dreams and visions. Jesus showed heaven to my father in a dream, he didn't die, though he's late now.

Also the brain is one of the first organs to die not the last, Google it to confirm.

frank317:
Thanks... I think this is the first description of a spirit. Finally.
So form your statement I can say that spirits wear cloths too or are the cloths spiritual? Spirits can cry, that means spirits have tear gland and they speak English too.
In fact from this, I can come to a conclusion that spirits are humans to just that they can't be seen with ordinary eyes.
Further, what in the world is inner eyes. Where is my own inner eyes. In which part of the body is this inner eyes located?

UyiIredia:
Not at all and don't be deceived by anyone. You see the woman's spiritual body. And a word from you sent her to heaven. In fact her reaction is understandable. Search Google, you'll read the stories of atheists that encountered spirits and demons, remained atheists and rationalized their experience away. The thing shock me o!

Remilekun101:
Yeah a cloth on

A eyes yes, mouth yes
Yes
Yes

I didn't mention a spirit. Man is three in one. Spirit soul and body

Remilekun101:
Let me share this personal experience.

Last year August I travelled to Abuja between lokoja to Abuja. An accident happened and a woman died(her brain busted out). While standing and looking at the rescue team doing their work. My inner eyes opened and I saw the same woman standing by her body looking confused and crying but she noticed someone was looking at her and she turned towards me asking me what happened. I told her and also said an heart felt prayer for her and she departed Could you explain if that was an illusion? Hahn

dalaman:
Who do you know that has been declared dead for 2 days that came back to life and said anything? Many Hindus also claim to have died and reincarnated, do you also believe that? Near death experience has nothing to do with the afterlife according to scientist since it can be induced in the lab.

Remilekun101:
yeah same here. Work has been hard lately. Maybe when I have more time to think we might continue. The Ouija board was a diversion.


Afterlife really do exists. I learnt them from books and articles. Then also personal experiences

UyiIredia:
Simple. People have died seen the afterlife and been revived told their experience. Some have seen it near-death and some have experienced it as dreams or visions.

It is here that the polarized mindset of an ignorant atheist comes into play. If the person died without a report of an afterlife, like say, Fabrice Muamba you'd hear nothing. But let someone who died say he/she saw an afterlife: petty rationalizations will fly in especially the one about it being illusions caused by misfiring neurons.

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you ok ? Its called AFTERlife and you need to be dead to know if exits or not

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh ..there is afterlife . You just need to be dead to experience it

Anas09:
@ Johnnydon and Remi.

I been think say by now, this thread go don go far. Weytin una dey tok hia sef?
I don tire.

Remilekun101:
[size=14pt]No.. they moved the triangular shaped stuff to each alphabet, i had to keep writing on a piece of a paper to get what they mean but it was fun though[/size]