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OgundeleT:still expecting your call bro |
[b] One thing we should bear in mind is the Torah (Or five books of moses as many may know it) Is not one whole book but rather a collection of many works, oral traditions, folklores and works of distinct timelines spanning decades or even centuries. The exodus story scholarly consensus has it was written when isreal was in Babylonia as captives, it motive was to accord theological strength and support to the people that they will be restored. Modern scholarly consensus recognize the story to be quite mythical and there is no record of hebrews ever being in Egypt. Take for instance the "Death of every Egyptian first born" as recorded in Exodus, there was no egyptian record of such event that must have been a devastating event that shook the whole egypt. . but no egypt was silent over it, it never recorded even a thing.. Also according to wikipedia " Although mythical elements are not so prominent in Exodus as in Genesis , some writers claim ancient legends have an influence on the book's content: for example, the story of the infant Moses's salvation from the Nile may have some basis in an earlier legend of king Sargon , while the story of the parting of the Red Sea trades on Mesopotamian creation mythology . Similarly, the Covenant Code (the law code in Exodus 20:22–23:33) has some similarities in both content and structure with the Laws of Hammurabi. These influences serve to reinforce the conclusion that the Book of Exodus originated in the exiled Jewish community of 6th-century Babylon, but not all the sources are Mesopotamian: the story of Moses's flight to Midian following the murder of the Egyptian overseer may draw on the Egyptian Story of Sinuhe " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus It is overwhelmingly evident enough that the exodus story served a theological and traditional purpose to the jews rather than a historical one. Thr torah itself was not written by one person as against the jewish theological tradition that holds moses as the author. Even genesis shows to have 4 different styles of writting and has led to the conclusion that it probably was penned down by 4 distinct authors at different timelines. Personally i do not hold the exodus story to be historical in the least just like i also doubt the historicity of Homer's Odyssey.. [/b] |
depressedsoul:[b] The Victims mindset dilutes the human potential, by not accepting responsibility for our own actions and circumstances, we greatly reduce our ability to improve or change them. Going by your post you see yourself as a victim of this circumstance instead of accepting this circumstance to be your responsibility. I won't tell you not to commit suicide but i can only tell you that if you do then how exactly are you going to find out how the whole story ends? If you stick around am sure more events will keep unfolding and this story will play out one way or the other, i don't know whether it will be for the better or worse but wouldn't it be interesting we stick around to find out? First you need to accept these problems as they are, accept that these problems are there. Accept that you are responsible for your circumstance and stop playing victim of this circumstance. Blame nobody not even yourself for your condition only accept that through your own effort and the collective effort of societal interactions around you things will work out for the better. It is easier to complain than to strive to better your condition. Complaining makes you a victim of the circumstance and by this places your condition in a level above you but this shouldn't be so. But you are alive, you have problems means you are alive because there wouldn't be any problems for you if you were dead. This affirms that you are ahead of your conditions and you are in charge here. What ever you choose to do with that ability becomes your choice. -You can either choose to accept and try to work it out OR you complain and be a victim of it. i know the one i'd rather choose.. People tend to get all touchy when life brings in it's ups and downs forgetting if you have no UP and DOWN then you are dead. Try to find meaning in your sufferings and not make yourself a victim of it, you only diminish yourself... [/b] |
Space itself is expanding and so if you keep going upwards then you are in for some almost infinite journey unless of course space gets to a point where gravitational attraction pulls it back into a singularity... |
demolagilbert: Thanks you too But even science and ur intellect are inspired and driven by a force. quite correct and this is called "Curiosity" Understanding you do not know and striving to know.. That is what drives study and our ability to know.. Science has offered a lot of explanations for quite a number of things but i can tell you that the greater percentage of erstwhile intangible things, occurrences in the world today can never be explained by science. To Reason is vital, and i employ it and that is why i cannot be deluded by religion. I quite don't agree here about things that can NEVER be explained. . . You don't have an explanation to them doesn't mean it doesn't have an explanation. Having a mindset "It can never be explained" is an enemy of striving to know these things because first you have established that "You cannot" I for one understand there are things that have not been explained but i'd rather not filled the gap left by the ignorance with assumptions. We don't know means you don't and so strive to know and not assume. . . Through systematic deductions and consistent study can we make sense of what is and not through unfounded assumptions that clouds our drive to strive to know. I think personally that Reason is necessary rather than being just a sufficient factor... I believe i have a life and a purpose and a direction and a maker guiding me thru it all. Not a pastor, not a priest, not my family, none of that. There isn't much difference between you and i except that: I know i have a life and i have a purpose of which goes in coincide with what i as an independent entity wants it to be. And i need no external unfounded claims of a maker guiding any of my actions, i am responsible for my own actions. I am responsible for my own standards and i alone enforce it of which i choose to be in conformity with pleasing mutual human interactions... In my brief journey in life so far i have hd experiences that leave me in no doubt at all that my GOD exists. Every man must chose his own path and what he will stand for, and i have chosen that, and i live that. When asked of these experiences one would not help but quite notice it is mostly experiences people tend to infuse into the claim of personal Gods. And this is no different from many things i laid out in this thread, it all lies in the perception of different individuals. GOD is not remotely any of the things you highlighted here. Of course the concepts of God differs in every ramification, am sure we have pantheistic and deistic God concepts.... He is GOD! Everything and everywhere and he doesn't need praise or acknowledgement, or approval to function. I praise him not because he demands or bullies me to, but because he deserves it, he is worthy of it. My decision to praise or not to praise doesn't make him any more GOD or any less GOD. He doesn't arm-twist or threaten or wreak havoc to make a point. He is all-powerful, all knowing, all perfect. He has no enemy, he cant because he is all-powerful. Satan is not an enemy of GOD, he is enemy to the children of GOD. I would say GOD has given us all the choice and liberty to be whatever, do whatever and believe whatever. It neither diminishes not increases what he IS. The way i see it, as we all go thru life and it's experiences,[b] You see when one look at this post one could not help you are a Christian trying to distance his own idea of God from what the basis of his beliefs say it is. -Going from the bible this God gets jealous when one worships something else.. This jealousy is stark insecurity and blatant childishness and unlike you defence up there connotes a being yearning for worship. - Going by the doctrines of the Christian and Islamic faith and most other theistic religions on this planet (of which my post was addressing) This God is busy going to judge who to burn and who not to based on the tilt of their belief. Unlike your defence this God concepts still exhibits this forceful coercion of ensuring belief through fearful submissive tyranny of judgment based on a belief. -Still from the bible this God loves the smell of burning flesh and so many other childish characteristics that betrays such constructs to be nothing more than mundane assertions of an extra-ordinary claim. For the simple fact that you are trying to distance the concept of God you want to believe from the basic tenets of such concepts as derived from theistic fundamentals of which you lean on, it betrays a mind that find such ideas as absurd as i find it but tries to modify it to suite his own ideas. . . When one believes what he wants but yet with a basis from a fundamental source then obviously that is one that believes himself I find the idea of personal Gods a noble construct but yet a childish one in the explanation of what is and the fables accompanying these claims to be eloquent but naive primitive and feeble assertions. [/b] we can live like we hv a powerful maker charting a course for us and knowing he is there all the way, If there is such a being then he is making quite a mess of it. you see living our lives for a greater good of humanity or aspiring to live ethical lives in conformity with societal goodness has absolutely nothing to do with living as if there is a thing like a powerful maker. OR we could rely on our wisdom, experiences and understanding in life's journey, OR we could live life being flat out evil and antagonistic to all that is good, in other words in satan's camp. In the end, WE make that choice. I know i have made mine.[b] It is a good thing you have made your choice of believing in a personal God who is all powerful and all good creator of the universe but runs a bizarre show of baseless test run on unknowing feeble humans wriggling in human business like some flat out punny princess. I on the other hand would rather rely on what i can learn and make out of the world as i know it, i'd rather rely on my reasons, study, systematic deductions and mutual pleasing societal actions than delude myself with the idea of personal Gods. I lack such a thing as faith it takes to believe such ideas or the stories that accompanies it. Our actions as humans can only bear a weight of right or wrong when it comes in contrast with its effects on others and things around us... I did not choose to not believe in God, No as a matter of fact i am just being honest with myself to point out irrationalities or live with the assumptions of there is when it has shown not to be anymore than primitive gap filler and wishful thinking.. [/b] |
Mindfulness: Exactly. . . We are mostly hydrogen and oxygen which are elements created in the core of a star during nuclear fusion (Or is a primary composition of a star in the case of hydrogen) But here we are, these elements are here and manifesting a different way than it does in a star core. When one die the remnants of these becomes an organic part of the earth and so to me the universe quite seem like a circle of energy transformation. Death in living organisms means "seizure of Biological metabolism" this doesn't make that organism to disappear, the activities has stopped but the remnants (energy) still takes part in energy circle... |
Excellent post teempakguy, love it.... |
Remilekun101: Hello bro, i have not been active for 2days now if you noticed, have been in the village for a cousin's traditional marriage, i am only seeing this thread right now that i am on my way home and able to get internet network... Anyway i hope to enjoy the discussion.. Our first discussion is on Afterlife. Do you [size=20]KNOW[/size] that afterlife exist? I think the enlarged word says it all, i find it to be quite tricky .. I do not [size=20]KNOW[/size] if there is an afterlife, i am not dead how exactly is anybody supposed to KNOW that.... Your question should have been if i BELIEVE then the answer would have been "NO i don't" |
The question should be rephrased "Question for JEWS and CHRISTIANS" because last i checked every other theistic religions have their own creation myth and it differs from religion to religion. Bringing theism under this question based on Abrahamic religious myth shows you put all Religions under the umbrella of Abrahamism. Different religions with different creation myths, so your question should be directed to the religion that owns the particular myth it is based on not THEISTS (gives the impression all theists) |
Islam is a religion of peace and they will kill you just to affirm that... Just take a look at humans behaving like brainless cows, burning flags, carrying placards with threat of violence and death. Even cows are far more civil.... All because they want to prove they got the better bullshiiit... |
They will hold on steadfast to what they believe to be right, there is always hope.. Politics is like premier league, nothing is permanent ..... |
HCpaul:WTF |
Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove islam is a religion of peace. All over the world people are being killed for believing the wrong fairytale.. It saddens me but really humans are the most foolish creatures there is... They neglect visible substance earth in a greedy clamor for an unsure paradise. They kill, hate, discriminate and hurt real and visible humans in a delusional thought of pleasing invisible Gods. They destroy and neglect visible nature to worship invisible Gods...Humans are really intriguing creatures. Just take a look at the result we get when PEOPLE take BELIEF (ideas) to be more important than PEOPLE (human life)... Have not seen rest of it yet |
Remilekun101:Nobel prize nko? |
musKeeto: Count me in .... |
Kreysik: Here we go, who needs anymore proof that this guy knows nothing of what he has been yapping about here. Now he brings in unrelated hypothesis of Biocentrism and even calls it physics.... Biocentrism is a recent hypothesis proposed no sooner than 2007 by a biologist...
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hahn: ..LOL.. And it makes absolutely no sense to be singing to the wind or bowing to it... |
Kreysik: So far you have only succeeded in making a joke of yourself and your beliefs here. I believe it because "God told us" and because it is an "innate quality" ...Chai... |
Kreysik: The movement of the earth is an observed fact and with tons of proof supporting it... the Catholic back then is based on the immutable dogmatic doctrines as stipulated by the tenets of their belief... Evidence supports a thesis not assumptions.. You should also believe in black hole wich most likely you haven't come across...why? Because some scientist proofs to your that it existed and you also feel light cannot pass through it because he said so Lmao.. you are not well rooted in science boy, Blackholes are pure observed existential phenomena. … this was exactly why i asked "What is a blackhole" Scientific facts does not need to be believed.. Science do not propose immutable dogmas that must be believed but recognizes chances of being wrong in its thesis. It was once thought information cannot escape a blackhole just few months ago stephen hawkins proposed it actually can.. know something before employing it desperately in an argument that you have absolutely no basis to stand on [img]http://smithsonianscience.si.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hires.jpg[/img] Only a wormhole and a whitehole is unconfirmed in actuality only theoretical and i am not seeing any scientists claim they believe wormholes must exist when it has no evidence in support of it yet... Yes we believe in eternity because 1 it is innate in our being and 2 we believe in a God..and like that scientist our God also tells us that there is life after death Lmao... You believe in eternity because someone told you, in fact a primitive book that has not inferred any method or means of deduction and you clutch on to it whether it is true or not. when science proposes a thesis, it propounds demonstrative means of deductions... So i would be waiting for yours. Our God told us so we believe, mind telling us what this God sounds like when he was telling you this tale? Do you have an actual means of demonstrating your claim of God told us? Until you can throw away assuming up more fantasies like "God told us" to support your fantasy, your arguments will keep sounding like a joke..... People reading this would be sure to find this quite funny "Our God told us" same thing you claimed was an innate quality..smh Try harder... |
Remilekun101: I think we could find away to stabilize laboratory generated blackholes if we ever happen to create one.. |
Remilekun101:[i] I agree with this, the greater the speed the greater the mass and energy required... i didn't really mean we are to embark on manned missions on such probes but rather unmanned probes... and black hole would surely upturns everything around it... including the laboratory [/i][/size]doubt this though... |
Kreysik: Now he wants to compare a natural occurring phenomena with spirity mumbo jumbo... desperate that is.. -What is a blackhole? that you don't know what happens after death isn't prove of it non existence is it? Remember the case of galileo and the catholic churchExactly the point. You do not know what happened before birth and i don't see you assuming you were somewhere before you were born. Since you don't know what happens after you are dead just like you don't what happened before you were born.. What then is the need to assume up some unfounded claims.. I don't know if there is a giant teapot with a diamond water orbiting Pluto now and since i don't there is absolutely no need for me to assume there is ... It is either j am lying or plain stupi_d |
sonmvayina: Actually i am the one who is open minded here because i am the one that agrees with discoveries based on systematic deductions and study not assumptions. That you don't know how anything was built means you freaking do not know how it was built, there absolutely is no reason to assume up anything for it. That you don't know how the moat was dug simply means you don't, it doesn't mean aliens or gods did. There is no shame in not knowing, the only problem is when irrational unfounded assumptions replace gaps left by such ignorance. |
Kreysik: Exactly the point.... Thats why who ever thinks they know what will happen after a human is dead is either stupi_d or lying.I'd say both because they don't know only swimming in delusion of knowing |
emrain: The only third eye i love opening is the one inbetween my bae's thighs that one can make me see more than 10cups of varying colours all at once.. |
sonmvayina: People did... am guessing you have heard of space probes who do you think built them |
Kreysik:Here we go... Yearning for afterlife means you want another life after this one, that is compound greed and in no way reconciles with the student analogy. You are only sure of this life what ever wishful concepts derived from your perception of this one in order to sate your humongous greed to boycott the inevitable is nothing more than wishful thinking.. why are humans created with the sense of thirst if this was not suppose to b a proof of its existence for behind every cause there is an effect..and mind you the yearning for eternity is innate in man....who told the first man that there is something called eternity? Actually religiosity in man developed over time and was not something derived as an innate characteristics. Yearning for any form of eternity is not in anyway innate in man for crying out loud, it is a greedy construct conceived to derive wishful hopes in the face of our inevitable end. If nobody told you that there is anything like Afterlife, you wouldn't have been here yapping about it because you wouldn't think there is. That you are clamoring for it is because you have an inclined on the concept just like i cannot say my yearn for bending abilities is an innate human quality. First man what first man?? which first man? |
Kreysik: Intelligence according to you is to judge it according to human perception of what intelligence is. Humans have a highly developed brain that gives them a highly cognitive and reasoning ability and also gives them a highly imaginative ability. Our intelligence or any of these abilities you think is outstanding doesn't make us superior to other animals.. -Pegerine falcons can fly at a neck breaking distance of 387km/h does this ability make it superior to man? - A cheetah can spot a prey 5km away, elephant can communicate in ultrasonic methods, platypus possess electro perceptive abilities, or a spider that can see on infrared mode ... You can not do any of these, but these abilities does not make them superior. We are all natural inhabitants of this planet and natural manifestation is diverse.... We all are neighbouring life forms sharing this world.. You call it GREED? Well its not,its gives you a sense of responsibility,knowing that death is just a passage to another realm and that this world is a place for cultivation and the other world a place of harvest this actually is the opposite of GREED...isn't it amazing that does who call themselves athiest are actually the most GREEDY people? Why? This is because the see themselves not more than an animal Clamoring for another life gives you a sense of responsibility? ..lol.. This can only be asserted by one who lack independent basis for human ethical interactions. The greed of another life is greed in every sense, it makes one pay little mind to what he has in a wishful clamor for another. A child who has not finished eating a biscuit and asking for more that is not there is a greedy one. Your greedy chase of another life can only diminish your ability to live this one and you end up having not lived any at all... And finally you get the logic wrong "the feeling of thirst a prove of the existence of water doesn't necessary mean you have access to the water" likewise "the yearning for 1billion is a proof of the existence of money and doesn't necessary mean you have the money in your account" so also the desire for eternity is a proof of its existence ..LOL.. Proof of water is water itself, Proof of money is money itself. Proof of a flying pink diamond unicorn is the unicorn itself... not my yearn to ride one. All the things you know exists is because you have seen them exists, you wouldn't be yearning for money if nobody ever told you there was. You yearn for another life is because someone told you there is and not an innate human quality and this clamor to get another life is proof of your GREEDY chase of more life when you have not finished living the one you have. There was no You before this body, what ever makes you think there will still be a you after it, i must say really got you swimming hard in wishful hopes. Also I'll like to add that human nature is designed I'm such a manner that it Yeah just like me desiring to possess bending abilities like Avatar means bending abilities exists. . . Stop assuming up qualities for human nature.. also imagination andcreativity are gifts given to the human being the first plane,car,phone et al were the result of these,And we are not the only beings to possess such. A bird can build a nest so precisely and accurate according to what it wants, Termites built ant hills long before humans built houses. creative abilities is not a trade mark of humans only… so imagining something that is not existent isn't a crime its Yearning or desiring for something that one knows for sure is there, is one thing. Yearning or desiring for something imagined up is another.... Just like me yearning to have bending abilities like avatar characters doesn't make it existential in actuality but only in concepts. Afterlife concepts are there your yearning for these concepts is not proof of their existence in actuality .. |
Annunaki: lmfao.. .. Annunakis built ancient monuments that wreaks of primitive architecture, they couldn't even build a glass skyscraper and you want me to be impressed? ![]() |
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