finofaya:


Oga, I dey hail o.

We can choose to be technical about it. I will concede that it will never be the subject of a theory, and it is not even a postulation. We could not have a theory of God any more than we could have a theory of plaetton. Theories don't provide for things of that sort.

GooseBaba:


It's like defending oxygen, your efforts does not add or remove. But the question I have to ask.. If I said fuvk your god.. Would you be offended..?

GooseBaba:


Hehehe, delusion alacrity... Who is confused here..? I specifically said "see you in hell "...let me tell you, your god is in hell too...shebi he is omnipresent, i Goosebaba will be drinking fresh palmwine with Yaweh and lucifer when the time comes..

johnydon22:
If a perfect god with the ability to create a perfect world exists and has desire for you to be in a perfect world, you would have been there already.

He wouldn't need to run a bizarre incredible cruel test- the result to which he by definition must have known already (omniscient)

Hiswordxray:

Oh so he decided to go with the same strategy. He thought maybe if he could make himself more confused the fear would go. But why would some people choose to live in confusion just to fight fear?
My dear friend, does the confusion make you feel good?
Is the fear really gone now or you still need to dive into more confusion?
Is this how you are going to spend your life, so confuse?

krattoss:
i will be the happiest man on earth if u answer these my questions convincinly.
1... If God is almighty,omniscient,omnipotent,alpha and omega,,why did he create imperfect being knowing they can come someday to denounce him?

2.... Some times i look at bad things happening to good people,moreso those who believes in him, why do he allow such when truly he claims to love them,,,what makes them deserve it?

3...why is that non belivers of him are the ones progressing? Take a look at countries where all kinds of things he preached against happens, like.. Western world where lesbians ,homosexuality, transgernder e t c, happens but they keep on elevating higher and higher while we religious africans keeps on depreciating..

Lastly, apart from mythology, stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?

malvisguy212:
there is no verse in the bible it's say , God created this world to be perfect.

malvisguy212:
ANSWERS:
1. God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those
who reject His invitation. That is the
reason that we are here. We are to
choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus
said above, at least half of the people
will choose to oppose God and to oppose the people who follow Him.
2."Then they will deliver you to
tribulation, and will kill you, and you
will be hated by all nations on
account of My name." ( Matthew 24:9)
The spiritual choice you make will cause division, one thing for sure is that moral choice mean evil must exist and going by the word of Jesus, people will reject God (rejecting God mean NO man will hold you accountable for the evil you commit)this indicate good people will believe in God and the bad people who don't believe in God don't need to wait for God for success.
3. Answer to number two is your answer to 3.

You said this:
"Lastly, apart from mythology,
stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?"
For calling the word of God "myth" you don't need to believe in God because you have reject His word in the first place. Ask your self. Do atheists have proven God did not exist?

malvisguy212:
ANSWERS:
1. God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those
who reject His invitation. That is the
reason that we are here. We are to
choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus
said above, at least half of the people
will choose to oppose God and to oppose the people who follow Him.
2."Then they will deliver you to
tribulation, and will kill you, and you
will be hated by all nations on
account of My name." ( Matthew 24:9)
The spiritual choice you make will cause division, one thing for sure is that moral choice mean evil must exist and going by the word of Jesus, people will reject God (rejecting God mean NO man will hold you accountable for the evil you commit)this indicate good people will believe in God and the bad people who don't believe in God don't need to wait for God for success.
3. Answer to number two is your answer to 3.

You said this:
"Lastly, apart from mythology,
stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?"
For calling the word of God "myth" you don't need to believe in God because you have reject His word in the first place. Ask your self. Do atheists have proven God did not exist?

malvisguy212:
ANSWERS:
1. God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those
who reject His invitation. That is the
reason that we are here. We are to
choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus
said above, at least half of the people
will choose to oppose God and to oppose the people who follow Him.

3. Answer to number two is your answer to 3.

You said this:
"Lastly, apart from mythology,
stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?"
For calling the word of God "myth" you don't need to believe in God because you have reject His word in the first place. Ask your self. Do atheists have proven God did not exist?

johnydon22:
First of all he is perfect and created imperfect world. . secondly i thought he was omniscient, he already those that will choose to be with him and those that wont. .therefore he already fore knew he would have to punish trillions in an eternal flame.
Why did he need to start testing you, did you ask to be created? He wanted you to be with him forever, (u werent in existence) why bring you out to test you( a test he already knows if you will fail or not) since he has desire for you to be with him why not just create you that way...

He has ability and is willing for you to be in a perfect world, then why are you not in a perfect world. . why did he need to run a test he already knows the result right from the beginning.. since he doesnt want to create u directly into the perfect world and knows that if he creates you into this one u will end up in hell, why create you at all... This sounds like a very retarded fellow to me. He is running the test that he already knows the result so he can enjoy watching billions burn, when they didnt ask to be created or tested. . . . . . You for something you reference so much, this your concept of god has a very low I.Q

3. Answer to number two is your answer to 3.

You said this:
"Lastly, apart from mythology,
stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?"
For calling the word of God "myth" you don't need to believe in God because you have reject His word in the first place. Ask your self. Do atheists have proven God did not exist?
Atheist don't have proof that the flying spaghetti monster don't exist too.
You have no proof God (zeus) dont exist yet you don't believe in him.

That which has not been proven cannot be disproven because there is nothing to disprove. . .

krattoss:
instead of these peeps to think beyond their imagination......
They re all stockpiled like sardine...
I wonder whether africans is under spell not to think thro and fro

krattoss:
instead of these peeps to think beyond their imagination......
They re all stockpiled like sardine...
I wonder whether africans is under spell not to think thro and fro

GooseBaba:


So it's settled.... Anyone reading this thread knows who is driven by fear... You're living a miserable life.. See you in hell...!

johnydon22:


it really beats me..

god is perfect - Yet something perfect created an imperfect world

god is testing you to see if you can be with him - why the test? he is omniscient i suppose, why run a test you already know answers to?
why create someone you already know you will burn in hell forever..?

god is love and kind and merciful- Even an imperfect human loves better, because love is not punishment, love is not egoistic, murdering your son to appease ur own ego. love is not obedient conformity. love is not threat. (love me or i burn u) that is abuse.
Am sure my dad cannot tell me "it is either u love me or i kill u" but they see nothing wrong in this abuse when the supposed god is doing it in a large scale, threatening to burn people just to get reference and worship.

And what is a perfect being doing with love, worship? nothing... Something perfect needs nothing to make it better because perfection doesn't need improvement it is perfect already. . .
If god is perfect then he would need love, reference or worship because it changes nothing in what he is, if he is perfect then all the love and worship is plainly useless.

But if he is imperfect then he would need all this love and worship to feel important ( this is the case, something that is ready to burn you because you didnt love or worship it is egoistic and worship mongering, and that in plain human term is narcissism which along with egoism are both huge character flaws, something you would expect a perfect being to be way above

Hiswordxray:

So he even went farther to paint a good picture of hell so that he would be comfortable about going to hell.
And here is another thing he did; he tells himself that nobody is qualify to go to heaven and everybody will go to hell with him. Now he feels happy that he is going to be comforted with the presence of everyone in hell with him.
I am sorry to tell you my dear, you are going to hell alone and you won't find me there. If you need me then try making it to heaven.

malvisguy212:
bro, it a choice, you worship Him or hate Him, Jesus say broad is the way that lead to hell, many will go in there, this prophecy will come to pass, as you can see, many people are questioning there belief, asking questions, which means the word of Jesus is being fullfiled right in front of us. Jesus say in Luke:
"...when the Son of man cometh,
shall he find faith on the earth?"
Luke 18:21

You see, Jesus knows this days will come.

And the book of Timothy say:
2 Timothy 4:2-5
"For the time will come when they
will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears,
they will heap up for themselves
teachers; and they will turn their
ears away from the truth, and be
turned aside to fables. But you be
watchful in all things..."

Science cannot explained the nature of God and the bible was not writing for scientific purpose, but it was writing on how human can have a relationship with God through our Lord Jesus christ,
So why doubting God?

believing in God help you to control your moral life, God say do not kill,do not commit adultery, do not murder, All this law is for the good of human living in peace.

emrain:


You better live your best life here on earth, because just like that chicken you ate recently, once you die you are dead. You're not going anywhere (Heaven or Hell), unless you believe you came from somewhere and I'd like to know that place.

Hiswordxray:

Oh so this is what you tell yourself so that you won't be afraid of going to hell?
Look at how foolish man has become; they have decided to liken themselves to animals. God says He created man in His image, man carries the glorious image of the Almighty God.
But because of carnality man has decided to categories himself as a animal. He prefer the life of animal, a life of worthlessness, weakness and purposeless. And now they call it wisdom.

Look at this one, he prefer to see himself as a common chicken that was born today and slaughter tomorrow. Such worthless life has he chosen over the glorious life God had given him.
Of course he is looking forward to the day he would be eaten by maggot and that is the end he plans for himself
Such a pitiful life and he boast of it

ifeness:


You are by a long distance one of the most deluded Christians. You have no shred of evidence of God and yet you talk for it. Where are you from? I will make sure non of my Family members marry from that region.

johnydon22:
First of all he is perfect and created an imperfect world, how could a perfect being or thing bring out imperfection. you only bring out what you have, only something that is imperfect that bore out imperfection. . What you are selling to us to buy as a perfect being is a totally an imperfect concept, we cannot buy that.

secondly i thought he was omniscient, he already know those that will choose to be with him and those that wont. .therefore he already fore knew he would have to punish trillions in an eternal flame.
Why did he need to start testing you, did you ask to be created? He wanted you to be with him forever, (u werent in existence) why bring you out to test you( a test he already knows if you will fail or not) since he has desire for you to be with him why not just create you that way... Why did he need to test people who would follow him when he is the creator who has the ability to just create the people with him already and need not play bet of souls with another of his creations.

How could a created entity(satan) spoil the plans of an all powerful entity who created it, then drag billions of others to a burning fire which the creator already knew would happen in the first place yet created them, literally just supplying more souls he had predestined for the eternal flames.

He has ability and is willing for you to be in a perfect world, then why are you not in a perfect world. . why did he need to run a test he already knows the result right from the beginning.. since he doesnt want to create u directly into the perfect world and knows that if he creates you into this one u will end up in hell, why create you at all... This sounds like a very retarded fellow to me. He is running the test that he already knows the result so he can enjoy watching billions burn, when they didnt ask to be created or tested. . . . . .a creator who already fore knew what his creator will do even before creating them shows the creator is responsible for destining these actions because the creation cannot do otherwise unless it will turn out the creator was wrong. . .
for something you reference so much, this your concept of god has a very low I.Q

Atheist don't have proof that the flying spaghetti monster don't exist too.
You have no proof God (zeus) dont exist yet you don't believe in him.

That which has not been proven cannot be disproven because there is nothing to disprove. . .

Hiswordxray:

I came from heaven and and was born by the Holy Spirit.
If you definition of delusion is "truthful" then indeed I am the most deluded Christian and I would continue to tell you the truth.
I know you people are succeeded in making yourself believe lies that you have cooked up yourself. But you can't make me believe your lies and I would continue to tell you the truth. That truth is that you all know the Almighty God, you all are scared of going to hell, you all don't want to be give an account to God, you all want to freely do what you want and as a result you all cooked up lies and make yourself believe them.
But you lies doesn't change anything, you are going to hell whether you believe it or not.

Hiswordxray:

Oh so this is what you tell yourself so that you won't be afraid of going to hell?
Look at how foolish man has become; they have decided to liken themselves to animals. God says He created man in His image, man carries the glorious image of the Almighty God.
But because of carnality man has decided to categories himself as a animal. He prefer the life of animal, a life of worthlessness, weakness and purposeless. And now they call it wisdom.

Look at this one, he prefer to see himself as a common chicken that was born today and slaughter tomorrow. Such worthless life has he chosen over the glorious life God had given him.
Of course he is looking forward to the day he would be eaten by maggot and that is the end he plans for himself
Such a pitiful life and he boast of it

krattoss:
what took u soo long..

Well as for atheists proven whether God exists or not,
now if u tell me that u carried first position in ur primary school days, and probably i doubted and tell u to give me prove, probably i expects u to show me ur result slips or report card or convince me beyond reasonable doubt, but probably when u backfires the question and tell me to proof that u didnt carry first position in ur elementary days,can i proof that,? It doesnt make sense..

Atheists are inquisitive beigns trying to get ur proofs of ur Gods existence and u re telling them to get proof of Gods non existence..
It doesnt make sense to me at all.

johnydon22:


Thats the idea. . how could a perfect being bore out so much imperfection?

perfection never bores out imperfection?

Heaven wont be perfect too right?

malvisguy212:
I see!!! You hold the same view of Calvinistic Predestination.they are no different from a cult, stop reading there books.
Calvinistic predestination means that the future is already determined (predestined). The implication is that it doesn't matter what you do, it has already happened. You have no free will.this is unbiblical my friend.

Scripture predestination is where God
pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of
the saved, but the CHARACTER of the
saved.

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he
did foreknow, he also did
predestinate to be conformed
to the IMAGE OF HIS SON , that he
might be the firstborn among
many brethren. Moreover whom
he did predestinate, them he
also called: and whom he called,
them he also justified: and
whom he justified, them he also
glorified."

Clearly writing.What is foreknown by God in these verses? Personal identity? Or Character, purpose & plan?my friend stop reading cult books.

Secondly. The bible never say the world was created perfect, God only called it GOOD, but certainly we can say ONLY man is perfect because man was created in the image of God.

LET US DO SOME SMALL TEACHING:

"The earth also was CORRUPT
before God, and the earth was
filled with violence. And God
looked upon the earth and
behold it was corrupt; for all
FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY
UPON THE EARTH." Genesis 6:11,12.

Alright!! To "corrupt" means to make morally depraved. It means to pervert what is good and upright. It means to make unclean what was once clean. It
means to spoil what was once good and unspoiled. The word corrupt always implies a former state that was unspoiled, clean, good, or upright. It is never used to speak of the original created nature of man. It speaks of what man has BECOME because of spoiling or perverting the nature with which he was created.
Moral beings have never needed a sinful nature to make them sin.

"Lo, this only have I found, that
God hath made man UPRIGHT;
but they have sought out MANY
INVENTION" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).

The above Scripture is very clear. God
has created men upright, but they
have sinned in spite of an upright
nature. they corrupted themselves.

malvisguy212:
bring your proof, you are once a christian, right? And you know the bible very well more than christians, right? Were in the scripture God say " he created this world perfect?"

Hiswordxray:

So he even went farther to paint a good picture of hell so that he would be comfortable about going to hell.
And here is another thing he did; he tells himself that nobody is qualify to go to heaven and everybody will go to hell with him. Now he feels happy that he is going to be comforted with the presence of everyone in hell with him.
I am sorry to tell you my dear, you are going to hell alone and you won't find me there. If you need me then try making it to heaven.

GooseBaba:


I don't care what you believe.. I'm telling you your destiny whether you like it or not. You are going to hell, no question about it. Ol boy begin practice your gnashing of teeth.

You know what..? Let me have pity on your miserable soul..just list 10 daily activities you will be doing in heaven and i will forgive your trespasses .. If its anything similar to what we are enjoying here... My friend.. See you in hell..