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kay1one2:
By knowing that the greatest commandment herein lies thus; "to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And to love your neighbour as yourself. "
Most of the Western values we have today stem from Christianity. From the sermon on the mount to "he who has no sin sin should cast the first stone."
Everyone needs to study the Bible personally and have a personal relationship with God not that handed over to us primarily by preachers alone.

so without the bible commanding you to love, you wont love your neighbours

Is telling children they inherited an original sin they know nothing about therefore making them sin by nature, is it right?

is threatening humanity with destruction and eternal damnation right?

@bolded please give me one example?

Zikdik:
Multiple Personality Disorder.

can you stop that crap and address the thread properly bro

Uuuhm bro is it by telling mankind that it will get destroyed and raptured? or by teaching young kids that they inherited an original sin they know nothing about therefore they are a sin by nature.... which way exactly

kay1one2:
Some of them cannot even impregnate a woman! They are here looking for an excuse for their own incompetencies!

wooooow really? i didnt know o . . . those guys are terrible that's why they make me mad

Misogynist2014:
I tell you, no greater Foöl than an atheist.

Matthew 5:22 who ever calls another a fool is in danger of hell fire. . .

now see what we have up there ΔΔΔ

it actually looks like the guy surprisingly chai buh op you no try at all

an atheist do not blame a deity for anything, no one blames a mythical being you lack belief in. .

they only use that language when a theist start thanking a deity for some good fortune then an atheist tend to point out the misfortunes and ask why the deity ignored that part

about the thread that inspired this, the guy was not an atheist. . he is probably a theist turning agnostic or an angry theist...

The former vice president of the federal republic took to twitter to call for prayers for Nigerian and got a surprise answer for a reply. . . Is the guy correct or not?

Proffdada:
I'm using TouchPal keyboard

wow bro i got it, rocks on tab so much got new themes on it too (light droid) and did some customization.... the keyboard is do.pe bro. . . thanks a bunch

Proffdada:
I'm using TouchPal keyboard

Alright thanks leme go to google play and get it, hope it looks well on tab tho..

lastmessenger:
i just know what I know and don't let me reveal more.

Chai, please sir reveal more am begging you !!!

and it keeps getting better

.. Wooow seriously is this not the same dude that was asking for a spiritual wife to marry in the other thread? . . . lmao contunu

Rilwayne001:
You will get to know when you are dead

really? How come u know but you are still alive

Rilwayne001:
In the spiritual realm.

Where is the spiritual realm?

Proffdada:
they rather defend their faith with their swords than words
I got into a group chat on whatsapp and ended up with death threats

Bro am loving your keyboard, please where did you get it, i have the google handwriting keyboard. . . tell me the name of yours let me download it and which whatsapp version is that.?

Meanwhile for the Op, try getting into an argument with one and all you get is insults, curses and more insults. . . They were packed to that session to avoid them showing their jihadist careers. .

If you want to discuss anything about islam, open a thread here in the religious section where it is open.

himkers:
Very silly question.
Hell is your backyard

Is this the new way of saying
I don't know

Ifeann:
Dude the vast majority of Hindus and moslems are born into the religion. Buddists even have a growing convert population thanks to the popularity and new western craze with meditation, yoga poses and breathing exercises etc that has increased it's appeal.

I never said there are no converts to the two aforementioned religions. Are u now using al Taqiyya..jk . Anyway that's besides the point.

U were taunting 2elect as if she and other Christians are Brain washed and indoctrinated straight from birth and didn't make the concious effort to join Christianity based on its teachings.

And now you start taking things off point. . . Islam have large amount of converts, so does Christianity and other religions. . its a web of unending circles.

Both islam and christianity thrives on indoctrination, no one can deny that fact cus we all live in the same society, we have been in this one or the other. . . You can now go and read the OP and stop derailing into which religion thrives on indoctrination because we all know the answer...

Hiswordxray:
God isn't going to punish a finite sin with infinite judgment.
God only desires to contain evil and the best was to do that is Hell. But if people hold on to evil then they will go to Hell with the evil they refuse to let go.

woooow bravo!!! an allegedly omnipotent being wanted to contain evil (that was a result of his imperfections) and the best he could come up is hell. . . Now thats a wonderful idea i must say.

Hiswordxray:
You have to let go of humanity because humanity had been poisoned with incurable evil.
Let go of evil so that you won't perish with it.

Am not sure you even know what mankind or humanity means. Someone who harbours in his mind the thought of mankind perishing is the one that is incurably evil to me. . and you need to forgo that evil.
You need to re-evaluate your moral basis before labelling anything evil cus from what i see here is someone who is wishing and waiting for the whole of humankind to perish, and that to me is sickening and blatant evil.

Ifeann:
Oh stop taunting An2elect2.

Hope u know Christianity is a religion that has a very large number of converts and not people born into it(such as Hinduism and Islam). Most people are drawn to Christianity because of the Gospel and teachings of Christ and not the guilt of original sin or the punishment of hell or the intricacies of old testament theology.

nobody is taunting anybody dude. .

Are you a convert to christianity?

So you are saying their are no muslim converts?


or Hindu converts?

Are you purposely trying to be be deceptive here or what?

and that gospel of christ please remind me what it says again?

FOLYKAZE:
I am not denying this.

I guess people acknowledge it worth. . . .that is it is been worship.

Do you disbelieve in God? Devaraja and apotheosis deity?

Now i see you are sick in the head. . . The definition of God as gallery of a theater has nothing to do with worship. .

simplex2:
Damn! How do you ever find yourself worthy when you think so low of yourself this way? You believe you don't deserve your life, that all men deserve to perish bla bla bla...

I'm grateful that I don't subscribe to this school of thought; ministry of condemnation!

Actually it is not her fault, she was indoctrinated into it.

First they told her she inherited Adam's sin therefore is not worthy.

They told her she was conceived with sin therefore not worth.

They told her she is not worthy of love, that she is a sinner that is terrible and needs saving.

Therefore a guy had to come to die to save her. .

All these guilts were imbedded into her as a child therefore creating an adult who thinks herself unworthy, broken and a sin.

It was not her fault at all, she was just another victim of mental child abuse.

An2elect2:
Oho! so you think you are an independent thinker? more jokes loading...

Why do you think this way in the first place? Why do you think God does not exist?

"independent" thinkers in the house. Can you share why you think you are "independent" in your thoughts
and how you came to erroneously believe God does not exist?

I want to see how "independent" you all are. Anybody?

Lmao you want to cherrypick this one? ok good let me fully demonstrate my stance.

I say: Their is God (Amadioha) (a claim)

you say: I dont believe you Prove it. .

my lack of proof to substantiate the existence of amadioha is proof enough for you to lack belief in my claim

You say: Their is a God (yahweh)(a claim)

i say: I dont believe you, prove it.

All you need do is provide proof, just like if i provide proof of amadioha it wouldnt be a claim anymore.
So till you can substantiate your claim with proof it remains a claim until proven otherwise.

And that is very simple. . . All we get is a very twisted poor flawed arguments . . . i think you fully grasp the position now. .

An2elect2:
The problem is not coming from the Word but you!

You talk of logic, then you should understand why God is God first. Who He is. What He loves and hate. When you understand this first, then it will make sense to you, mortal man. Look at you

Hahahaha An2elect2 i may end up marrying you one day hope you will like that

He loves and hates just like an imperfect man who is a subject of his emotions, even hate is not a good emotion to man, this shows another imperfect traits of your god. . meaning he has another character flaw which is hating. I'd expect more from someone supposedly all good.

You still showing us how imperfect your god concept is. .

An2elect2:
And is johnydon22 still asking me if i will be punished for my Father's sin. Even when i've told Him several times that we all took the nature of sin which God by His infinite wisdom subjected all of us to.

So an all good god subjected you to to bear the nature of sin over what you know nothing about. and that is a very good show of infinite wisdom huh?

He is still bearing the grudge of one adam till now subjecting a new born innocent child to be a sin because of what allegedly happened in the very beginning. . bearing a grudge that long is character disorder.

From the way you doge this question, it is clear you think its not right to hold you for your father's sin . . .

An2elect2:
SMH, common sense is not found in your religion, atheists. You cannot hold God responsible for man's fall. He is not accountable to anybody.

. . Lmao actually our senses are not common, it is a very rare one. . .Something common is something simple, that can be used to describe you thinking. . You have a common sense we dont.

An2elect2:
Just like i said before CREATING A PERFECT BEING IS NOT POSSIBLE. You have to understand this impossibility first before you talk of who/what caused Adam to sin.

Wow wonderful, so creating a perfect man was impossible for god to do? this shows he cant do everything, he's not omnipotent after all heh?
Good we have understood that creating a perfect man is impossible for god therefore we have clearly understood god is not omnipotent.

An2elect2:
Yes, man was created imperfect and made subject to a perfect God. It was His imperfect nature, owing to the fact that he was a man that led to his fall. And for being a subject of God he owes all his doings/responsibilities to God.

Man was made imperfect by a perfect god. . it was this imperfection that caused man to sin and this imperfection was made by god, therefore it was god who caused man to sin by bringing forth imperfection.

You see your perfect god was not only capable of making an imperfect being. . . How can there be a rectangular circle? it is impossible same way something perfect can not bore out imperfection but your god who allegedly is perfect bore out not only imperfect man but angels also. . So?

An2elect2:
God cannot be blamed, because there is no law above God. The onus lies on man: to keep or break the law. It is the transgression of this law that is called sin. And this is also a rebellion against the Lawgiver.

Yes when a mechanic makes a car without a break, the car is to blame for failing break and not the mechanic who decided not to add a break. . .

Do you even hear yourself? god is above law? when ur god can't even keep the very basic law of morality it disqualifies it from being a judge over others morality.

An2elect2:
What attracts punishment is not the imperfect nature itself, but the sin borne out of it.

Sin was born out of imperfection and this imperfection was from god. . . so he is punishing man for the mistake he himself did.

An2elect2:
You cannot hold the Lawgiver accountable for sin. Because He is not under the law and hence impossible for Him to sin or partake in sin.

Oh No when measured with the same yardstick of morality as a human, which is a very basic moral standard, your god failed woefully in it. . shouldn't we have expected better from god?

Their is need to re-evaluate your moral basis..

An2elect2:
Your opinion does not matter so i don't care what you think.

You atheists have proven to me how non sensible you all are. If I've told you i am a Christian who abides by the divine and of course logical word of God, and then you want me to turn around against the this Word and think like you, you are the unreasonable one who is battling with common sense!

But after all our discussion here, we just saw and understood it was not logical at all.

We saw the wickedness and pure unadulterated evil your alleged good book have imbedded in you by giving you the idea of people burning forever and be ok with it.

and the glaring contradictions you pour out. . . think its clear who the unreasonable one is.

For once try and base your thinking based on you independent of any thing, lets see how it goes.

FOLYKAZE:
Like someone said on a thread, he said God is anything that has dominion and been worship. Anytime gallery of theatre is been worship, it becomes a God.

That for that. . . .

Man has dominion and are been worshipped. There are historical sacred kings across the world worship as deity. Apotheosis reign in many traditions which sees man as a deity. We have records of humans worship as deity in Eastern Asian countries. We also have records of them in Yoruba kingdom. Devaraja is simply deified royalty which positioned human as a God. In imperial cults, humans are been worshipped as God. Fela is a very good example here. The mythical kings in Yoruba like Sango, Obatala and Oduduwa reigned in history as mortal men but are been worship as Gods today. You are only denying the obvious fact. The bible went to affirm that men are Gods.

I will bring up gallery of theatre when it is been worship or have dominion. Lets deal with men been worship as deity or god. Do you disbelieve in their existence?

Are you dodging their being God? common you can do better.

The gallery of a theater is called God so its God. . take it or leave it

An2elect2:
You keep going in circles and is really tiring.

Everything that i've told you does not only make perfect sense to me but is the reality that all men must face whether here or beyond.

Actually i asked a very basic and simple question. . the least you could do is answer yes or No. . if you tell me either Yes or No i will stop quoting you and let it rest.

[size=20] Is it right to punish you for your father's sin?[/size] yes or No

An2elect2:
What do you expect from God who made all things BY AND FOR Himself. Don't He have the right to run them as He pleases? Is that not why He is GOD!? your point is flawed
God created a man not God

Lmao, Your god creates because he needs love and worship, why would a perfect being need anything, be it love, worship or glory. . . .And then stoops as low as threatening people with fire to get it. . Hhmmm very shallow.

An2elect2:
God was not EXPECTING AN IMPERFECT MAN TO BE PERFECT. God does not expect the opposite of what He already knows!

Oh he already knew man would fall, yet he decided to punish man for falling according to his nature of imperfection which he "god" made that way.

An2elect2:
Just like i said before God did not create man to sin and He was not expecting Him not to sin either.

Now this bolded shows that god never knew whether man would sin or not, meaning he is not omniscient after all .

Meanwhile same you asserted above me that he already know. . lmao. . am enjoying this

An2elect2:
He did not create sin because God cannot rebel against Himself. Sin is something that only man can commit that is why the blame and the guilt is upon man

You say he did not create sin?
But he created an imperfect man who has the ability to sin, this ability was from god so how come you say he didn't create since he gave man tendency/ability to sin.

An2elect2:
Yes God knew man would fall and He expected it.

Another contradiction, let me show you one of your post now that say the opposite.

God did not create man to sin and [b]He was not expecting Him not to sin either

You dont even know which is it right? whether he knew or he didnt. . lol. . funny.

meanwhile so he knew man would fall, then gets angry when man eventually fell and convicted to punishing man for acting as expected. . means he already created hell knowing fully well man would fall. . .

Come to think of it, if he already knew man would fall and he can never be wrong, it means man had no choice but to fall to coincide with god's fore knowledge of his fall. because if man didnt fall as god already knew then god was wrong.

An2elect2:
God creating an imperfect being is not a sin, what is sin is rebelling against God. And that is why man is to be blamed and punished for sin.

And dont forget god already knew man would fall before creating man, so who really is the cause, why blame man who is just the victim in this game.