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Just like you said its just a superstitious belief..

Their are in fact different methods babies emerge from the womb..

its called the Breech presentation

Approximately 4 percent of babies present in the breech position when labor begins. In this presentation, the baby's bottom is the presenting part instead of
the head, which is called a vertex presentation. Using a technique called a version, an obstetrician may attempt to turn the baby to a head down position. . .

This is an absolutely normal birth complication, nothing superstitious/spiritual about it..

menesheh:
What's good about this piece.

Somebody wrote jargon and you are here irrationally saying good one.


FACTs will always be facts no matter how you configure it backed by mountains of evidence.

Lol he is teaching people how to debate an atheist and i don't see anything wrong in that..

This actually is not a debate but just an opinion to his comrades on how to debate an atheist..

kay1one2:
I replied the @bolded. The idea of original sin comes from the fact that man is fallen and no matter how modest we try to be, attaining non self centered righteousness is practically impossible without God's help.

Now according to the fable of Adam and Eve, Adam and eve fell and not you.. How come you now bear the repercussions of their fall? or do you think it's ok for you to be blamed for the sins of your parents..?

kay1one2:
There are traditionally two kinds of preachers; old school like parents who "threaten" to pass the message across and the some what modern who make people realise their need for a savior from sin. If Jesus threatened, he wouldn't have specifically stopped his disciples from starting a war when He was about to be arrested at gethsamene.

this doesnt answer the questions which states...

so without the bible commanding you to love, you wont love your
neighbours?


Is telling children they inherited an original sin they know nothing about
therefore making them sin by nature, is it right?


is threatening humanity with destruction and eternal damnation right?


For the bolded part, this was your assertion.

Most of the Western values we have today stem from Christianity .

And i asked for one example of these western values... Just one ..

Good i like this... and am gonna share it.. Good one bro

kay1one2:
From the sermon on the mount to the quote I gave.

Did you miss the question ok let me ask them again..


so without the bible commanding you to love, you wont love your
neighbours?


Is telling children they inherited an original sin they know nothing about
therefore making them sin by nature, is it right?


is threatening humanity with destruction and eternal damnation right?


@bolded please give me one example?

KoloOyinbo:
Yes I do understand fully so let me ask you:

Do you believe their is NO GOD - Yes - you are an Atheist

Do you believe there MAY be no God - Yes - You are an agnostic.

Simply put i disbelieve the idea of a god until proven...

thats what i have been yapping from the beginning till now

I fall on the category of An agnostic atheist... google it and see

KoloOyinbo:
And you disbelieve it on faith alone!
MY point exactly

I need faith to say i disbelief an idea? lmao... dude you are funny

KoloOyinbo:
Concept/idea - God/No God/Universe etc all concepts - Justice, love, hate all concepts. Buildings begin as a concept and also vary with time/culture. All of the above is irrelevant to the thread!

Good you agree concept means idea... what else are we arguing over here?

since god falls on the dimension of a concept (idea) i dont see anymore need to argue.. because all those concepts are there but when you tell me something you agree to be a concept is an entity and created the universe, thats the part i disbelieve..

KoloOyinbo:
Then you are an agnostic - I have NO issue with that. If you have Faith in the negative then you are an Atheist. This is my point and why the thread was suggested in the first place.

Atheism means disbelief in god... and i lack belief in a god this doesnt automatically mean someone have faith in the negative..

it means, i dont believe it until proven.. as simple as that..

KoloOyinbo:
If faced with insufficient data you have no other choice!

YOU may not understand quarks but others do and can come up with tests.

God exists outside the physical universe if he exists. Thus there can never be a test or provable evidence.

Is this too difficult a concept?

Actually the bolded says it all about atheism..

since you asserts he exists outiside the physical universe, their is no way you could just come up with that unless you just assumed it up.

since it is not testable or provable how then did you discern its existence in the first place...

thats why we say, We don't believe you..

KoloOyinbo:
WOW! Where have you been since the start of the thread! The thread itself implies that both stances are supported only though Faith alone?

Really much of this could be avoided if some preparatory reading is done and logical thought applied.

and am telling you that disbelief doesnt entail faith in the negative.. you need to understand that..

KoloOyinbo:
You need to elaborate further, we are simply talking about the concept of a Deity. Concepts of what that God is vary from religion to religion and Theist to Theist.

and you need to have a grasp of the atheist stance..

Agnostic atheist says "I disbelive every god concept but do not plainly say none exists.

a gnostic atheists (strong) says: i disbelieve every god concept and am sure none exists..

an agnostic theists says; i believe a god exists but i cannot say i know one exists.

A gnostic theists say; i believe a god exists and am sure a god exists..

KoloOyinbo:
God exists beyond the universe if he exists. Thus cannot be proven either way.

You Flying pink unicorn exists on earth and thus CAN be proven or disproven. Perhaps elsewhere in the Universe they do exist - insufficient data so I will be an agnostic on that one. Is that simple enough?

No my flying pink unicorn exists beyong the universe and it created the universe...

DIsprove it let me see..

KoloOyinbo:
Any thing that is not provable may be because it is false or that it is inherent that it cannot be proved!

That is where your error lies and why your logic has been rejected by philosophers over the millennia.

lmao, you still cannot demonstrate it can u?

KoloOyinbo:
I believe in a God. (Lets NOT introduce monotheistic and Polytheistic) Now if some believe in Allah, Some Christ, Some Thor then they all believe in GOD and are merely arguing about the name/form which is another discussion.

Oh No you dont get it do you, you like hiding... you believe in a god which entirely is an entirely different god concept from others.. you are atheistic towards 4,999 others and am sure you dont need faith for this...

an atheist just disbelieves 1 more God than you....

KoloOyinbo:
Your flying pink unicorn is testable and thus a decision CAN be made on existence or otherwise.

God is not thus no decision can be made. It amazes me that this simple concept is beyond some people on this forum.

lmao now i will like you to demonstrate how the concept of a flying unicorn can be tested... am waiting..

KoloOyinbo:
So you don't understand agnosticism either? Their position is clear rational and simple (wish I was one).

They say there is insufficient data to allow a decision on this matter.

It is not possible to prove God exists - nor that he does not.

Philosophers have know this for centuries and generally accepted this.

Your bland and unsupported assertions are called begging the question and are thus invalid.

You have to understand that "anything that is not prove able is also cannot be disproved cus their is nothing to disprove.. "

can you disprove the existence of thor? No you cant and that is it..

KoloOyinbo:
Just bold it ALL. Picking and choosing is unworthy and illustrates a lack of open mindedness in that you cannot support your argument properly.

actually you killed yourself by that... You acknowledged god exists in your mind and yet turns out to ask me to believe it may exist in real life.

ok a black flying pink yellow unicorn exists in my mind. . . would you disbelieve the possibility of its existence?

KoloOyinbo:
Atheists lack Faith in MY position but HAVE Faith in theirs. _ A little more logical though will eliminate these basic errors.

Ok so as you are atheistic towards The God thor, do you also need faith to disbelieve thor?

Ishilove:
Okay folks, no more derailing.
Thanks

So you had to hide all those posts that made the thread fun

KoloOyinbo:
We know God exists in our minds and can prove that. He may well exist elsewhere in reality! We can never prove for or against on that one.

So you position is neither logical nor rational. By rejecting the possibility of God you show as much Faith as the Deist.

Only the Agnostic can claim a fully rational position. (Have you guys ANY knowledge of philosophy or logic) All I hear seems to be the Atheists restating the same old boring position without any more shred of proof than the Deists who at least acknowledge that their position is supported only by FAITH.

Let me cut this short to fully demonstrate the atheist position.

I say: I believe their is a flying pink horse ( belief requires faith)

You say: I don't believe you, prove it.. ( Can you detect any faith in this?)

now

You say: Their is a God (You believe by faith)

An atheist says : I don't believe you, prove it. (Meaning atheists lack faith)

So you see, Atheist lack belief in every God concepts. . .Just like you lack
faith in the God Thor, this doesn't mean you need faith to disbelieve Thor.

If you contrast your lack of belief in other God concepts that you are
atheistic towards, then you will fully understand the atheist position.

KoloOyinbo:
We know [size=20]God exists in our minds [/size]and can prove that. He may well exist elsewhere in reality! We can never prove for or against on that one.

So you position is neither logical nor rational. By rejecting the possibility of God you show as much Faith as the Deist.

Only the Agnostic can claim a fully rational position. (Have you guys ANY knowledge of philosophy or logic) All I hear seems to be the Atheists restating the same old boring position without any more shred of proof than the Deists who at least acknowledge that their position is supported only by FAITH.

Is anything else needs saying

Weah96:
There's food and water. Meanwhile, no one has entered those bushes and returned alive.

what

richidinho:
Tell her u want her to be the mother of ur children
Tell her you want to share everything in this life with her

And watch her smile

its not about telling her, its about showing her by doing the needful... its obvious her friend's marriage made her have a rethink... so i think we all understand her plight.

its about doing the needful not saying it..