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LordReed:
How can it be a fact if He is imaginary?

Nobody have heard this your sky daddy speak before, she is making her assertions based on the alleged words in the bible...

and this surely beats leonado da vinci's monalisa, but no one will give this guy the recognition he deserves... i havent seen such talent before... bro you are good..

Another first cause argument... **Sighs** I thought he had pictures...lmao..

i will take the girl, prepare the goat meat and use the quran and bible to support the fire while cooking the goat...

I will take the lady sharp sharp... what am i doing with two archaic outdated primitive books.. hiaaaan..

Na the gul jareeeeee #PzyHeaven

FOLYKAZE:
Which concept of God?

let me try correct your misguided assertions one last time after which am done... The concept of God he is referring to clearly is the first two definitions in the google link you gave..

FOLYKAZE:
Disbelief in supernatural is not atheism. Many believers in God do not believe in supernatural. In short, everything in nature is super, so keep the supernatural crap somewhere.

Buddhist believe in devas but do not believe in supernaturals. This does not make them an atheist.

Atheism from a theo mean no god and not no supernatural.

Clearly yes atheists disbelief everything supernatural..
saying many believers in God (deity) do not believe supernatural is laughable cus this (deified) concept of God is defined to supernatural..

Buddhist believe in devas, let us see what devas means Deva ( देव in Devanagari script) is the Sanskrit word for deity . so you see, it means deity and deity clearly is a supernatural entity.
so such belief is absurd and someone that holds such a belief is in no way classified an atheist..

FOLYKAZE:
Stop bending fact.



Spinoza god is nature. This is not personal.

Mother Nature is a pantheist God. It mean planet earth and this is not personal.

Money is God in many polytheism religion, this is raw paper money and this is not personal.

Reading your lines prove atheism is directionless.

Spinoza God is nature, that is his personal view..

nature is God is pantheism that is their personal view

Money is God is some religions as you assert, that is their view and should be applied universally cus you and i clearly know you do not agree with the concept of money being a deity..

Are we clear now??

FOLYKAZE:
Acknowledging worth of something or someone.

It always directed to a/some deities.

Whatever that deity is or represent is not my prob. What is important is deity.

And this answers it all... i acknowledge the worth of my girl friend
But this doesnt imply she is a deity sheey you now grab

FOLYKAZE:
Bro stop hiding behing the word supernatural. Everything in nature is super pls.

The ancient egyptian kings are deified but there is nothing supernatural about them. They are just men like you.

Now here is where your confusion lies... Deifying ancient kings still doesnt make them deities.... its just a silly belief and the type we atheists reject.. gerrit?

FOLYKAZE:
Show me where pantheism is there among those definition above.

Clearly this your pantheic definition of God is missing from your link..remember you gave this link

FOLYKAZE:
Are there no devas in buddhism? What is supernatural in devas pls? Those definitions highlighted are pointing to some religion; probably christian and islam. It doesnot have anything to do with religion generally.

they are devas in buddhism which still is their belief and atheist reject such absurd beliefs...
@bolded... it was talking about monotheic religions, their are thousands of them out there, clearly you only know of two (xtianity n islam) You need to read more boy

FOLYKAZE:
That put aside, show me where pantheism is in the definition.

It's your link and you brought up pantheism here, is it not weird how this pantheic God definition is missing from your google link definition of God?
Pantheism still falls into the dimension of belief...

Now be a good boy and go do your homework.

FOLYKAZE:
talk about hateist?

Hating anything or running away from the three letter word GOD?

Lolzz your comprehension is child-like...

The first two deified definitions, we say do not exist..

the third means a different thing
and so does the last....

Why dont you try and deify a theater gallery too since its called God too...

FOLYKAZE:
Yes.

We worship.

But.

I dont need your but. You worship. Game over

And worship here means?

FOLYKAZE:
Did you see pantheistic definition of God among google difinition?

The only religious definition there points to christianity and islam. Is those two the only religion in the world?

I tire for you people o

You see how ignorant you can be even in your own argument?

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler
of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.......[size=20] here God is defined in terms of monetheism, christianity, islam, babism, druze, cao daiand numerous other monotheic religious concept of God.. This definition pints to a supernatural being, that is a deity..[/size]


2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as
having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.[size=20] this definition encompasses a wider scope of deities dabbling into ploytheism concept of supernatural beings (deities)..[/size]

3. an adored, admired, or influential person...[size=20] And this is where your confusion lies.. this definition is purely humanized and not supernatural deified...[/size]
4. the gallery in a theater.…[size=20] and this definition is sorely material not humanized or supernatural (deified).. [/size]

So you see, these four definitions are very different from each other..Your problem is bringing your absurd belief that humans are Deity-like Gods and try to reconcile it with the 3rd definition..

So boy keep your belief to where it is belief...

FOLYKAZE:
What is mixing here? I am not the one that create those words and it meaning.

Influencial person is human.

I have shown link to human deities.

What more do you want?

That google have a definition of God as influencial person doesnt mean the person is a deity boy...

The first two definitions are deities, the third and last are not.. its quite clear from the definitions..

As for your link about humans being deities, that now falls to you superstitious belief... the bible said, yoruba spirituality said... lmao... thats exactly what atheist say we dont buy...

FOLYKAZE:
Ya it does, you are choosing while and leaving the other untouched. Talk about unjustice?

its very obvious four of them dont mean the same thing... thats all

FOLYKAZE:
You can find that in pantheistic definition of God.

There is nothing like that in the definitions.

So the pantheistic definition is different from that of the dictionary huh?...lmao...

You dont even know the basis of your own argument..

DProDG:
-Keep your sacrifices and rituals to yourself.

-Awesome, at least you saw the flaw in your logic.

-Quote me arguing against that.

All I've asked(3 or 4 times now) is to show me where a 'deity' is defined as an 'influential person'...that simple

The dude is just mixing up the God defined as deity and God defined as adore people together and he knows the flaws in it...

FOLYKAZE:
Which of the religion pls?

In christianity man is god.

In yoruba spirituality, man is god.

according to the google link you gave their are four distinct definitions of the word God...
God /ɡäd/
noun
1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler
of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as
having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

4. the gallery in a theater.
.....

It is so funny how you left the fourth definition... the gallery in a theater is God too .

These four definitions means different things as seen above, their is nothing more to be added on it everything speaks for itself now..

FOLYKAZE:
So tell what you got.





Naturalistic panteists say so

So which of the God definitions above does nature fall in?

FOLYKAZE:
That is all?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=what+is+god

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

Now pointing out this number three clearly shows it is different from the first and second definition... here God strictly means someone who is adore, admired or influencial, nothing spirity ... We are now clear, the third definition is no way the same thing as religious concept of God..

FOLYKAZE:
Mother Nature is a god.

She represent planet earth

And atheist says there is no god

meaning planet earth is not existing.


Hilarious.

lmao... This guy like mixing up different meanings in one word... And who even said nature is God

FOLYKAZE:
I am not asking you to believe either.

You should know what god is. That is what am telling you




My idea is atheistic spiritualism.[/quotes]atheistic spiritualism which is

[quote author=FOLYKAZE post=31610887]Not asking you to believe. This is a case of knowledge

FOLYKAZE:
Knowledge is not a belief you know?

Atheist might have knowledge about god does not mean he believe in it. I know what trouble is but I dont dont believe it solve problems. Does this make a atroubist?

their are no god/deities.. = atheism..

FOLYKAZE:
The question is, do you agree human is a deity? Judging from definitions from dictionary and different theologies.

we dont believe humans are deities..thats why we are atheists..

FOLYKAZE:
Are human deity?

No they are not

FOLYKAZE:
Are influencial people not god?

Nope they are not, they are just influencial people not a God..

FOLYKAZE:
Did christianity not acknowledge human is a god?

Am i a christian, that christianity or religion superstitiously believe man to be god have nothing to do with me cus thats why i am an atheist.. i blatantly disagree with that absurd notion..

FOLYKAZE:
Did Yoruba spirituality rule out man is no more a deity?

and we atheists have nothing to do with yoruba spirituality or any form of superstitious mumbo jumbo... its still absurd crap like others..

FOLYKAZE:
Yes. That is worship. You are ignorant of that though.

So i take it you worship millions of god cus they are millions of people you must revere out there... (Likening reverence or admiration to worship is your only problem..)

FOLYKAZE:
Deity is god

correct..

FOLYKAZE:
God is influencial person.

nope...here is the definition of God by the dictionary.. noun
The single deity of various monotheistic religions.
The single male deity of various duotheistic religions.
An impersonal and universal spiritual presence or force.
An omnipotent being, creator of the universe (as in deism).
The (personification of the) laws of nature.
(Wicca) The Horned God
even ur fellow theists will disagree with you on that..

FOLYKAZE:
If your parents influence your life, they are gods.

No they still remain my parents.. you callin them a God doesnt make them anything near it and doesnt make them one...

FOLYKAZE:
Even in the bible, human are gods. You know that too?

the last time i checked the bible said a snake can talk...

FOLYKAZE:
influencial personalities.

And that is what they are...I love rihanna and like her music, am her number 1 fan.. that is it..It is you that wants to assert being someone's fan or admiring someone makes that person a god..
that is preposterous sir..

FOLYKAZE:
I understand your insults but I will man up and ignore this.

Good i commend you for that..

FOLYKAZE:
Deity is God according to the dictionary.

God can be influencial person according to same dictionary.

Even in the bible, humans are reffer to as god. So what special attribution are you looking for? Do you know about any other religion outside christianity that you love to bash? In Yoruba spirituality, man is god. So tell me bro, where exactly do your problem lies here?

Your only problem is misconception...let me define God as defined by my dictionary..

noun
The single deity of various monotheistic religions.
The single male deity of various duotheistic religions.
An impersonal and universal spiritual presence or force.
An omnipotent being, creator of the universe (as in deism).
The (personification of the) laws of nature.
(Wicca) The Horned God

So whether your bible, yoruba spirituality say man is a god, we atheist say it is a lie... nothing is a god.. their are no gods.. simple...

Do you want to impose your idea that man is a god on atheists? lolzzz let it be known to you that we disbelief the idea of god or gods in any form it may come... man, mythology, objects...

FOLYKAZE:
Actually you dont know the meaning of spiritual. You think it all about church service huh?

lmao... Spirituality is not mundane according to religion... Am guessing your own idea of spirituality is different huh?

FOLYKAZE:
The bold is what I need here. It exposes gross ignorance of people like you.

Here is a definition of worship from freedictionary,

The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.


You agree atheists worship but to who do you accord or directed your act of worship to?

A deity? Idol? Or sacred object?

exactly thats the meaning of worship but we dont believe their are or nothing is a deity neither or do we believe anything is sacred in your terms... so how come?

FOLYKAZE:
Atheist indeed are bunch of noisemakers

Lmao... calm down, stop this speeding and check your assertions again and you will see who is making noise..

FOLYKAZE:
You dont get it.

Do you agree human is a deity and even some religion acknowledge this?

Their are no deities, that is the basic stance of atheism... be it a mythical deity, a tree, snake etc... Atheists dont believe in any diety..

FOLYKAZE:
Do you understand that worship is acknowledging worth of something?

Am guessing if you are a buhari or goodluck fan, yoy worship them huh?

FOLYKAZE:
Do you know worship by definition is said toward a deity (possibly a man)?

Like i said earlier, i worship my parents.. it doenst make them deities..
definition of deities:
noun (plural deities)
mythology religion A preternatural or supernatural human or non-human being or entity, or an object that possesses miraculous or supernatural attributes, powers or superpowers (e.g. a god or goddess).
mythology religion The divine character of a divinity.
mythology religion A being, entity or object revered as a god or goddess.

FOLYKAZE:
Are atheists not acknowledging worth of influencial person?

Catholics worship pope, if you are wizkid fan you worship wizkid, if you revere 2face then you worship two face.. Taking such things as acknowledging worth of something or a person to mean worship is a big fallacy and such a big hole in your argument cus you too will then said to be polytheistic.

FOLYKAZE:
If yes, that is atheist worship deities.

Can you point out these dieties?

nawa oooo

RexBrita:
How do you think religions and denominations spring up?
A minor shift in opinion creates a denomination. A major shift in opinion creates a religion.

Same reply to you, Johnnydon

Their is no creed or fundamental doctrine of any sort in atheism..

People just classify people that say "I dont believe a god exists" atheists and thats just it..

[size=20] On what basis do you classify atheism as a religion please?[/quote]

[size=20] On what basis do you classify atheism as a religion please? [/size]

FOLYKAZE:
What is religion in the first place. How do you define it? We can know the relationship of atheism and religion with your definition.

Note pls, do you give me definition that wont cover whole religion system.

Simple thing... google a list of world religion and check if you will find atheism there...

FOLYKAZE:
You can remove the word 'extent'.

No matter the degree of measurement, when it contain substance of a religion, it is a religion.

I can smell desperation in this one..

FOLYKAZE:
Actuall Sam Harris practise buddhism and he is still an atheist.

And you gon tell me atheism is not a religion?

So Sam Harris practises two religion huh? atheism and Buddhism... lolzzz smh..

Oh he is a f**king infidel for practising two religions... let us go and preach to him to quite buddhism and start worshipping only (The Godless) of atheism..

FOLYKAZE:
Stop dodging when you are already put into the corner. I am not proving your point. I have proved that man is an object of worship which makes him a deity. This you disgareed to.

Man is an object of worship...lolzzz... actually i worship my parents and siblings plus my girl friend

FOLYKAZE:
Atheist worship something or someone. Inasmuch worship is involve, the act is directed to deities. That is going by the definition of worship.

Atheism is only noises. . . . .

It's quite evident enough that you are only reeling out emotional biased sentiments towards atheism...

Who is it atheists worship or should i say what is it ?

FOLYKAZE:
Quit this crap. You have been nailed.

Seriously

mumumugu:
,,

ok seriously i thought u were a christian!!

I thought they had real claim of supernatural powers, now its so low to fall down to ventiloquitic skills... mtcheeeeew...

You guys should call me when you have proof of supernatural powers and i dont see that happening anytime soon

dalaman:
If the ventriloquist was a Nigerian and owns a shrine some where in the bush, many will claim he has supernatural abilities and create many tales from his act and spread it like wild fire.

ofcus...

Ifeann:
Nope that's not what we concluded.. it was most likely written by scribes on behalf of the apostles, literacy is something we take for granted now.. ..even ur commentary snapshots noted that..

I brought up the issue of ur recent conversion to atheism so as to emphasize ur naiveté on this issue.. u could not have been agnostic for a whole 5 years and be willing to defend ur Catholic faith just Oct last year..

Spend some time reading to make ur arguement stronger if the folly of atheism appeals to u...

argumentum ad hominem as usual... i can't bring myself too low to oblige you such baseless talk..

where ever you read the scribes wrote it for the apostles, i am still wondering...lolzzz

am sure everything speaks for itself now...

folaski:
good luck. I just asked you that question to deduce some things about you and i have drawn my conclusions.

That's not the subject of this thread if you pls

lmao... you brought the spirit world talk up..

why are you afraid now to define dream for me?

Ifeann:
Dude apparently u haven't been reading my posts.. I have written already that it is unlikely the apostles wrote those..one because they were likely unable to write..Peter for instance was a fisherman. .getting parchment paper was difficult...and they were being hunted and persecuted. .

This is not the arguement.. they mostly likely had scribes do the writing when it was convienent to do so.. Paul on the other hand was a learned Jew ..this explains his many letters.

I don't care if u doubt the authenticity of these gospels. I will only advice u look at christain theologians view on these issues. U will be surprised at what u will learn. I don't sieve information.. I take in everything but like every other human I am biased.. I have studied these thinks long before u..remember in Oct 2014 u were still professing ur Catholic faith..

You know one big problem with engaging you is that you leave the subject of the matter and dabble into individual talks thats why you and these muslims always have each others throat..

That i turned atheistic few months ago is clearly nothing in this matter, i have been agnostic for more than 5years (clinging to catholicsm due to emotional attachment) ...we have concluded..

[size=20] The gospels were not written by the people they bear their names [/size] nothing more to add..

I have no more time for such unwarranted baseless talk anymore..