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Weah96:
There is God? Of course, there are several Gods. But none is personal, a la Jesus, Allah, and Zeus. You claim to serve a personal God, one who talks to people, without presenting evidence. Either you're a skilled liar or you're deceiving yourself.

The Jesus from the bible stories was someone who respected material evidence. He didn't rebuke Thomas for demanding to touch his wounds with his fingers before believing that he came back. You are so unlike that person from the stories.

Adieu.

the guy is just too childish! He cant comprehend basic things and his assertions are ridiculous...smh

Rilwon:
And that of religioless fanatic like yours is comparable to that of a fish?



Mumu, who is talking about medical knowledge? is'nt this medical knowledge the same one that this doctor posses that they used in concluding that my sis can only deliver by undergoing CS? how come she delivered by herself after their fo0lish conclusion that she can only do that by CS? how come their pharmacist and scientist knowledge didnt reveal to them that she can still do that on her own? how come it was after our prayers that God should take control of hwr situation that she gave birth without the heronious CS conclusion?

Even Iya Semiu on the other street of my hood was able to help a pregnant woman deliver a baby in her room. Is she a pharmacist too? a scientist like you dumbo? or did she posess traditional knowledge as you fo0lish claim up there?.




You too

chai... WTF...smh seriously... biko eeeh sir no be quarrel before u begin shoot person or bomb person for nairaland... biko eeeehn e don do... we are done... carry on with ur delusion

Rilwon:
Mumu, they also worked their butts off the create their brain, is'nt it?

Where are the scientists and pharmacists when your great grand father in africa are making pregnant women deliver safely? ode

I smoke garrri like obadiah777

habaaaa look at the type of brain some religious fanatics possess... so their is nothing like traditional medical knowledge in your village i suppose... i am not here to exchange words with you...Have a nice one bro...peace

nairalife2013:
I usually feel a build up of tears when ever I speak about these things.

When I was six, playing in the courtyard all alone, I saw a being hovering above me in the hot afternoon sky. He was a man except that hos skin was extremely smooth and white like china porcelain plate. White as in the colour of snow. He came down slowly towards me. A flowing equally white garment covered him and his face, faintly seen, had what I could think was a smile. I passed out. I woke up in the hospital surrounded by my parents, siblings and neighbors. My parents and siblings alone believed me when I later told them what I saw.

A flowing equally white garment covered HIM and his FACE but you could still make out his skin colour and texture!!! WTF

Rilwon:
Another victim of Paul delusions,, an odouriferous transmogrified creature of perennial failure! The apogee of failure de apologia! LMAO



Yes, to Allah/God/OriginalYHWH(not d one potrayed in the buybull) belong all power and mercy, he alone heal the sick, Doctors are jusr trying their best. So everyone healed of sickness are by the power of Allah. Muslims do get sick and visits the hospital and even make some duas and they get healed, yet not by their power nor that of the doctor if not God, and those who died in the process are destined to die in such way for he alone giveth life and he alone take it at his appointed time.

Some years ago my sister was admitted to the labour room, she has been for good 3days and she wasnt able give birth to her baby alone, and we are told that she will have to undergo CS aka Operation, everyone was afraid and scared, her husband wasnt around, so we'll have to wait for him to return the following day in other to sign some document due for the CS, while waitiing for him, we organised a short prayer between myself and some other family members, we recited the Quran and had some prayers together. The following day her husband returned and sign necessart documents, the doctors are ready for the CS, and by ALLAH (swt) she statted labouring again, and by ALLAH she gave birth herself without the CS, though we've paid for the CS, we didnt even bother tp collect the money back, just thanking God for saving her life,
So are you telling me that he did'nt answer our prayer? even though we (those that prayed including myself) are not stauch Alfas, Yet he heard our call .

We do hear the news of people dying few days after giving birth, do we then say GOD did'nt answer their prayers?

@bolded, are you implying that christians don't visit the hospitals when they are sick at all? are you saying christians dont die of sickness at all?




Christians dont die of sickness? Satan killed those christians that died of sickness? they are going to hell instead their God? Is'nt that what you are implying here

look at the type of poo someone is yapping here... medical scientists and pharmacists work their butts off everyday and night to save lives and one id.iot will just seat down and say Allah did it... what dah heck du people smoke

anthoniosp:
...you are the person that wants to change the whole worlds ideology, you are the ones that go into every possible thread chanting "there is no God"...before atheism there was christianity so by virtue of that you are supposed to explain yourself..

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

So who needs to do the explanation??

lmao...am seriously shaking my head to this! chai

anthoniosp:
I can't even have a good discussion??...this thread has been on since yesterday and you came along and started with the insults and you say that I can't even have a good discussion!!!wait...I know atheist to be good thinkers not people that go about looking for the slightest chance to lay insults...what you all have been on this thread doing is telling me that you don't think God exist and you have failed to back it up with proof...I know you atheists always question religious people when they say God exist but you people become powerless when the question becomes "how can u prove that God does not exist??".......confused looser

No the question is "how can you prove god exists?"

anthoniosp:
so una don run abi?? All these atheist una think say una dey craze abi una don jam who mad pass una today..after fustrating xtians, be like "may God help you to understand"...now una dey come with "you lack basic comprehension"...make una come ooh..una never see anything yet...bunch of confused organisms...

You see the problem?...you cant even have a good discussion, just yap rubbish and think any atheist or agnostic will ever care to waste time with you... smh...

EvilBrain1:
Islam has plenty of fanatics who have been constantly threatening fellow Nairalanders, mods and Seun himself with violence and death due to their inability to cope with rational discourse. The Islam section was created to quarantine those fanatics and keep them isolated from the majority of sane people who just want to talk about religion without having to deal with death threats.

The general religion section is open to everybody, Muslims included, its not just for Christians alone. This is a major reason it is so vibrant be cause everybody brings their own point of view, falsehood and irrationality gets challenged and everybody gets to learn something by reading it.

Compare that to the Islam section which is a boring echo chamber rehashing the same tired nonsense over and over like a North Korean news program. The place is a empty wasteland and the only time anything exiting happens there is when a non-Muslim sneaks in to challenge them. Creating a christian section is a bad idea because it is likely to meet the same fate and since Christians are far less likely to kill Seun and the mods, its really not necessary.

The reason they want their own section is because they are tired of being destroyed by secular logic and they want to be able to stifle discussion and post, what is essentially, spam unopposed. This directly against the whole essence of a discussion forum and there is no reason why anybody should humor them. The Muslims get a section because the harbour plenty of violent fanatics and Seun doesn't want to die. Whenever Christians start killing people again, maybe then they can get a section.

nice one bro... now i understand.

anthoniosp:
you people keep striking diffrent match boxes at a time...just now one of you said that you guys are from energy..after I win that one..una con come say na energy be God..after una confuse una selves ..una con begin ask me for proof say my God exist..and told you that an evidence is our morals that counter or disagree with the survival of the fittest. (Predatory law of nature)...now you are saying that I lack proof!! And now you guys are in the christians language of "he exist and that is all I know".... And one is saying "his lack of proof is our proof"..meaning you guys virtually don't have any proof that God does not exist..I can easily turn it around d same way that "your dependence on me for proof means that you have no proof that God does not exist and so i rightfully infer that ur lack of proof shows that God exists"...

lmao... their is need for you to review what you just wrote... sorry i am way to advanced for this...You lack basic comprehension...

malvisguy212:
very good wordcat.
Freewill exist?

The president will not interfere in your decision to vote,even when he knows that you will vote against him, God will not intervene in your decision to rebel against him.

Another illustration for freewill is the Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man request to go and warn his brothers for the danger of not worshipping God, but Abraham say to him"let them listen to the prophet". They have the Freewill to accept the prophet word or reject.

No the president dont knw if you will vote for him or not

Weah96:
You asked for proof showing that your deity is imaginary and non-existent. I replied by saying that you should present proof that it isn't. Why? Because you're making a claim without evidence.

If I told you that I've got a live mermaid in my bedroom who likes to listen to P Square music while playing with her pikin who is a baby angel with wings, you couldn't prove me wrong. My mermaid vanishes if anyone other than me enters the room. She takes her angel pikin with her. Case closed.

No human being on earth can prove me wrong. I can keep adding disclaimers and conditions to the point where you'll have to either insult me or slap me. My mermaid doesn't like to be tested, my mermaid doesn't like to be seen by other human beings, cameras cannot capture her, she knows when someone is planning something... etc.

Bro it is very simple...he wants proof..the proof is simple His lack of proof that his god exists, is our proof.

anthoniosp:
ooooooooh!!! Before we get 2 dat point in this debate....we must whole heartedly agreed that God exist but the question is who created God...what u are saying is that since no one created God..God does not exist and if so, I can say if no one created energy then energy does not exist.....bt I have agreed to ur theory that energy exist and so therefore God exist..kpam...biro closed #genious

can we then put it that energy is god?

malvisguy212:
Johnny and wordcat.
You have to believe in God to know more about freewill, the parable of the prodigal son illustrate God love and freewill. The "He" in the first verse is Jesus, as He relates the parable of a father and two sons. The father represent God, our Father. The two sons represent two reactions that people have to God and His love. The younger son is the prodigal, who represents the non-believer, while the older son represents the believer who doesn't really realize what God has done for Him. There is a lesson here for all of us.

God allow the son to make a decision I.e freewill.

Now do you accept that god doesnt know what you will do before you do it?

i noticed something here in nairaland, islam have a separate section and not only that it is also free of criticism and skeptical analysis... i understand that even the moderators are muslims... why not give the christians their own forum with christian moderators. . .So that this religious forum will be a neutral ground for all... then we agnostics, humanists, atheists and deits will use the religion section only to voice our mind on both the two religions so it wont only seem we attack the christians... Seun abeg can you do something about giving the christians their own forum so it would seem fair to all.

Yeah the scribe who wrote the poem job said many things and such mundane knowledge is too basic for a seemingly omniscient being...if truly those verses meant what you just said they mean why didnt god detail them out plainly instead of writing it as any ancient primitive mind would put...You just quote the verses and give them the meaning you want...lol typical... you also forgot to mention the book of job mentioned unicorn and other inexistent animals... for such an all knowing god to mention an inexistent animal is a huge flaw to the writer of job. . . when you all understand that someone actually wrote those things and not a spiritual being...then we can reason.

malvisguy212:
Johnny and wordcat.

What is the purpose of God creating human? To worship him,love him or reject him and hate him, how can all this happened without a choice? God allow temporary evil to exist for man to worship Him or reject him.
What you guys are implying is partial freewill. Can a computer or robot love it owner?

You are now taking this out of context but i will ignore the worship part which makes no sense and still reply to the freewill part which we are discussing... their is nothing like partial freewill that is ur own invention... you cannot eat your cake and have it... god cannot know what you are going to do (predestination) and still call it freewill... if it is freewill then he doesnt know what you are going to do which means he is not omnipotent...

malvisguy212:
you are canal minded man, you can't explained the nature of God.

God knows that adam and eve will disobeyed Him, yet he did not interfere in there decision,bible say after they ate the fruit, they started hiding from God.

If God knew adam and eve would eat the fruit that means he already predestined them to eat that fruit and that is not freewill since it has already been predestined and they were just acting out the script. if they didnt eat that fruit that means he is not omnipotent. . . he is a canal minded man and am sure you are a spiritual minded man...

anthoniosp:
so wait you have agree that God actually exists but the question now who created God? Abi??...talk ooh so that we wld knw if we are having a head way

No am pointing out to you the chain of beginings if it is a must that something must come out from something... #Genius

anthoniosp:
wait my question is why Why?? Why?? Why??...why can't it be created or destroyed ...if you guys abi science says nothing appear from no where..like a pen cannot just appear but has to me created...

ok if nothing cannot come out from nothing then the chain can go on and on... the energy that tipped off the universe cannot come from nothing there for god created it, god cannot come out from nothing cus something cant come out from nothing there fore some higher god created god and another higer god created that higher and so it goes on and on cus something cannot come out of nothing.

malvisguy212:
are you not an atheist ?

Read the little quote below my every post i think you will understand quite well what i am.

malvisguy212:
funny atheist , the book of job was not the only book he quote, read through it,even atheists that are more intelligent did not have a say in it.

Lmao... you already assumed me an atheist... i thought we were having a civil discussion... chai alright am done thanks for your time...

malvisguy212:
view that thread I paste and see for your self, no atheists were able to respond to the op claimed.

lol i viewed the thread bro... nothing special about it...anybody can write those things listed in the book of job... even the op also forgot to mention the book of job mentioned leviathan, unicorn and many other unexisting animals...Am sure you know the book of job is a poem...

malvisguy212:
science will support there claimed if it true, there are many scientific claimed the bible made that science did not discover until 100years later, this is things ONLY GOD COULD HAVE KNOWN read here https://www.nairaland.com/1305164/things-only-god-could-known

If this religious people present there case the way bible present it own, everyone would have known the truth.

i dont understand you... that science would support the claims of other gods if it were true? is that what you are saying bro?

malvisguy212:
quote the claims of this gods, the way the bible provide all what we need to know about God. Thank you.

Hey bro am sure you just asked this question just like that... it is a common knowledge that every god(s) claim to be supreme and universal according to the various religion practising it... not all religion have a canonical book like Christianity, judaism and islam... Zeus is said to be the creator of humanity by the ancient greece and so is jupiter by romans, yahweh by jews, dagon by ancient philistians and allah by muslims...and it goes on and on... according to the canaanite pantheon EL is the supreme god and the husband of asherah and calling this two gods together will give you the plural ELohim... some ancient canaanite manuscript says el is the father of 70gods including yahweh while some ancient isrealite texts recognize yahweh as the god el and consort of asherah.

PastorAIO:
What do you 'know' that you don't believe?.

Lmao... I know that i am a male... i do not believe ...its not belief, its plain certainty... let us go to dictionary and see: KNOW; To be certain to be sure.. BELIEVE; To think something is true without proof or emperical evidence!... get it?

PastorAIO:
My brother. Belief influences perception.

So preconcieved ideas will determine whether you believe what you see or not to be God, or even whether you will see it at all.

As such can there by definite proof? If you see a flying pig but you think you are hallucinating because you know (believe) there is no such thing as a flying pig then how much more definite will the definite proof be.

If you believe bible to be inerrant first and then you read contradiction in the bible there is plenty of wriggle room to accommodate the contradiction to your beliefs. do you get it?

Bro knowing and believing is not the same thing..... so remove the one in the bracket.

malvisguy212:
first, you should know the definition of faith and know how Christianity teaches it.
I made a coment about faith when I am chatting with pleatton,

"Skepticism is important to the Christian
faith; skepticism causes us to examine
what we believe and search for the
evidence that confirms our beliefs.
Christians Are Called to be Convinced
of What They Believe;
Let each man be fully convinced in his
own mind. ( Romans 14:5)
Christians can be "case makers" precisely
because the Christian faith is an
evidential faith. When we, as Christians,
argue for the truth of the Christian
Worldview, we are not sharing an
opinion. There either is a God, or there is
not. Jesus is that God, or He is not.
Salvation comes through Christ alone (as
Jesus Himself maintained), or it does not.
This is not a matter of opinion, personal
preference or wishful thinking. The
Christian faith is grounded in evidence
that can be assessed and evaluated. The
Christian faith is an evidential faith."

Thank you.

FAITH: is a strong conviction, feeling or belief that something is true without having evidence of it... So according to the definition of faith as given by the dictionary, i think their is need for you to re-evaluate what you just posted.
When it comes to matters of faith, it is purely based on belief cus their is no evidence for it... If for example you get to see God and perceive his existence in ur conscious self then you will no longer believe (have faith) that he exist but you will KNOW he exist...But as you said it is either their is God or not...which means you conviction is based purely on faith and their is nothing like evidential faith...#BeGoodBro

lastmessenger:
Don't be deceived.

Chai....smh