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Christianity Etc › Re: A World In Flames By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(op): 10:08pm On Sep 08, 2017

NairalandSARS:
So the bombs are the stars that would fall to the earth? Cool.

Picture it this way, The same reason why a star burns is the same reason why a nuclear bomb explodes. So it could be argued that nuclear bombs are in fact little stars created by humans

Christianity Etc › Re: A World In Flames By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(op): 10:07pm On Sep 08, 2017

Sapiosexuality:
First of all, what is this? Politics? Religion? Science? Kabbala? What exactly?

Probably all of them. It hinges on an apocalyptic setting: Mostly viewed religiously, Atomic expositions: Scientific, Warfare: Politics and many more kabbala

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 10:03pm On Sep 08, 2017

GoodMuyis:
Are you upset for low response?

Nope just the act of cherrypicking upsets me thus the need for me to create this thread.

what if they are busy somewhere else.

Yeah probably on a thread with full frontal confrontation, and word banters.

The proposition that Law is no longer valid is a "Defensive Mechanism" for some who fail in morality, we are not done with Tue law not yet.

Pauline Christianity: Grace above actions

The Law in its entirety, has subdivision just as DoctorAlien had explained, Moral, Ceremonial, Laws for Nazarite, Priest, Pregnant women and those in period, virgin etc

fair enough

If you look at the and count its about 600 or almost, but then they are not all applicable to everyone. for example am a man but I can't be practising ceremonial law for pregnant women impossible.

All right?

there some law that are SPECIFIC to the Israelite and is not applicable to other e.g. Laws for Passover.

First council of Jerusalem was to debate whether gentile who become Christians are supposed to be circumcised or not. In other words is whether they should be brought under the law or not.

[That is in fact the origin of "the law no longer holds" in christianity]

Severing christiandom from the law was one of the acts that fully divorced the growing christian cult from Judaism. It was at some point just bunch of Judaic adherents who believed Jesus was the messiah and Son of God.

If we continued the breakdown, one will realise that a lot of the law is not applicable to Christian. But those one regarding morality is applicable to all.

Stoning a non-virgin bride clearly hinges on morality.

This is where many Christian are confused.

Probably

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 9:36pm On Sep 08, 2017

felixomor:
Because you dont know Christ.
Its that simple brah.

LOL okay brother, thanks anyway

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 9:31pm On Sep 08, 2017

felixomor:
Johnnydon22

Firstly,
I hope you understand what the word "Christian" means before you opened this this thread?
And I hope you are not confusing the Constitution of Israel in the bible with the ten commandments and then lumping all together as law.....

Secondly,
Virtually, there is no sin you want to commit right now that the words of Jesus Christ doesnt address.....
Its only when you dont know Christ that you get tied up in arguments of the law.

This still doesn't help

Christianity Etc › A World In Flames By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(op): 9:24pm On Sep 08, 2017

“The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died.
and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.”
[The book of revelation]

The stars burn millions of a billion billion miles away, beautiful glowing balls of light that dance in our night sky entertaining us with a cosmic grandeur that reminds us of our insignificance.

The gigantic balls of fire burn so far away that the entirety of our existence is not enough to reach them, so big that our mediocre planet seem like a mot of dust in contrast to them.

how then will the stars fall, how then can they be the cause of our doom?

During the world war 2, human warfare changed forever, the first atomic bomb was dropped.

the story has it that when the atomic bomb hit it’s mark, the pilot who had flown the payload to it’s destination looked on with a pale face at the horror that went up in the mushroom cloud and he exclaimed.

“Oh my God, what have we done?”

I do not know the authenticity of this account but i agree with the temerity of it’s argument.
What have we done?

Even God himself would look on with awe and surprise at the extent of our ferocity.

Secrets only himself knew we have unraveled and have turned it’s beauty into a beast against ourselves.

we have discovered the secrets of the Gods, the hush-hush whispers of the atom, we have unwrapped the secrets of the stars.

So as i look at that apocalyptic line in the book of revelation, i do not concern myself in the authenticity of this prophecy, i find myself in a ground where i have little or no faith in prophecies, i do not look at the skies to find the stars that pose imminent threat to us, i look to the earth.

I look at the innocent blue marble ever so quiet from the outside but a troublesome specie have brought the stars into their palms.

we have ourselves created the stars that will mar us, change the course of our history and may be the determining factor of our fate.

We are each, all of us solar powered in some ways, the secrets of stars that once sustained our lives, now is our greatest doom.

I look at the thousands of nuclear weapons on earth, unnecessary stars waiting to be unleashed, an impending doom waiting for the pull of a trigger.
Humanity have never been threatened as we now are, all by the makings of our hand.

"Through a darkness like the bottom of hell, I could hear the voices of the other students calling for their mothers. And at the base of the bridge, inside a big cistern that had been dug out there, was a mother weeping, holding above her head a Unclad baby that was burned red all over its body.

And another mother was crying and sobbing as she gave her burned breast to her baby. In the cistern the students stood with only their heads above the water, and their two hands, which they clasped as they imploringly cried and screamed, calling for their parents.

But every single person who passed was wounded, all of them, and there was no one, there was no one to turn to for help. And the singed hair on the heads of the people was frizzled and whitish and covered with dust. They did not appear to be human, not creatures of this world.
[Narration by a Hiroshima bomb survivor]

The aftermath of a nuclear explosion, i dread to imagine on a more grander scale than that of hiroshima;

The radioactive rays would turn the rivers red, it would be unsafe for aqua biology and humans, the ashes will rise to the sky blotting out the light from the sun, days and nights like would grow dimmer, colder and paler, like the very life have been sucked out of this world.

vegetation would suffer greatly due to lack of direct sunlight, the rains would be as black as tar as we toil wth intense radioactivity from within.
offsprings would suffer terrible mutation, life on earth would never be the same, hiroshima is but a warning from hell.

Nuclear weapons are burning stars in our palms, the same power than lights the sun, explodes in a nuclear bomb, we must congratulate ourselves for achieving this feat but then we must caution ourselves to what we intend to do with it.

it seems to me that the more we know the more foolish we become.

there have been an international treaty apparently after the failed plan of the united states to test a nuclear weapon in space; this treaty states that no country is to use any kind of nuclear power in space.

this more than anything reveals the idiocy of human politics, how is it not ok to use nuclear power in space where it poses less threat to us but it is very ok to have nuclear explosives aimed at the earth?

If there is anywhere that nuclear power should be utilised at all, it is in space, this nonsensical treaty by simpletons in the place of power is the reason why there are no nuclear powered space crafts today but there are thousands of nuclear powered bombs scattered in many nations of the earth.

we congratulate ourselves on our humanity, we would detonate no nuclear weapon in a lifeless space but on a world full of life we can and will aim these weapons at.

the irony of this treaty is that the sun itself is a nuclear powered machine.
The stars that may light the flames that will burn this earth will not come from outside this world, it will come from within and we ourselves would light the match stick.

As shared on my forum: Johnyskystories_com and Facebook wall.

What are your thoughts on this?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 9:20pm On Sep 08, 2017

geoworldedu:
Lol. U want to add more terrorists to the world problem abi. The Girgasite, Amorites, Terabytes, Megabytes and the Kilobytes they killed those days isn't enough ba

Just adding verses and chapters to it brother

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 9:20pm On Sep 08, 2017

Martinez19:
lol. Why e no go hot. You know how many tithe and offering they don chop for my hand?

Hahahahahaha that is no ones fault, you gave it to the Lord

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 9:18pm On Sep 08, 2017

DoctorAlien:
Good. In the first post I made on this thread, I stated something: "The totality of the laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts..." I stated that, thinking that this argument won't go any deeper than that would suffice. But now, this argument is going deeper and your question now borders on another topic.

So I will, to the best of my ability, try now to divide the Laws given at Sinai into different parts which include: moral Law, ceremonial law, civil law, health law.

Another noteworthy point is that ancient Israel was, politically, a theocratic nation i.e. GOD was her King, the law of GOD(and especially the civil law) was her constitution and law prescribes punishments for offences. You now understand the death penalties for offences.

Anyway, no nation right now is theocratic.

This doesn't seem to satisfy the purpose and question this thread brings to the table. The question bothers on the status of the Law.

I gave several examples of Old testament Laws still used to judge till this day, for example: Jehovah Witnesses do not eat Pork because the Law forbids it, the person i quoted on the OP brought up the levitical law against tattoo. (Clearly these two are not explicit parts of the 10 commandments)

Now on the same page, many christian sects eat pork with the excuse that the law no longer holds, still they pay tithe and back this practise up with the old testament laws.

This is a doctrinal, theological contradiction if you will.

If the law no longer holds then it no longer does, meaning you can be okay with having a tattoo or being gay as much as you can be with eating pork or wearing clothing of different materials.

But if you chose to obey some part of this old laws and not the others then it falls to the dishonesty practise of cherrypicking.

If we are not to have tattoos because the law is against it, if we are expected to pay tithes because the law expects it then we might as well keep every other part of the law.

So the question is; Do we or do we not?

Or is the cherrypicking the way?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:57pm On Sep 08, 2017

701ecilana:
He is not out to have a discussion, but to scorn and malign. Don't feed him. Let the thread die.

We feed these people, without us, they die, let them die.

You cannot be so sure

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:54pm On Sep 08, 2017

DoctorAlien:
I think it would be proper to tell us the verses you quote.

Kill a proven non-virgin wife : Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Kill stubborn son: Deuteronomy 21:18-21

So are these ceremonial or moral codecs?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:48pm On Sep 08, 2017

DoctorAlien:
I must note that this is a nice question.

The word "Law" denotes many things throughout the Bible. Sometimes it refers to the 10 Commandments/moral Law which was given on Mt. Sinai(Deut. 33:2). Other times it refers to the totality of the Laws given to Israel while they were encamped at Sinai(Gal. 3:13). It is also used to refer to the 5 Books of Moses i.e Genesis to Deuteronomy(Matt. 22:40).

The totality of the Laws given to Israel at Sinai is (roughly for now)divided into two parts: the moral Law/10 Commandments and the ceremonial law. The moral Law was written on a stone(which symbolizes durability) and is eternal(Exod. 31:18; Psa. 119:152). The ceremonial law was written in a book(easily perishable) and had to do with sacrifices and oblations and other sabbaths which actually pointed to Jesus Christ, the Lamb of GOD. It was never intended to last forever(Dan. 9:27).

So, in answer to the question: we are done with the ceremonial laws which pointed to Jesus' sacrificial works.

Happy Sabbath.

So tell me which law does this example fall under

"If your wife was not a virgin on her wedding night, bring her out and she'd be stoned to death"

" Kill members of your relation who wants to make you serve other gods"

Please are these morally hinged or ceremonial?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:45pm On Sep 08, 2017

Martinez19:
@johnydon22, I use this verse to smack those sheeples that are trying to say the old testament does not matter anymore. When I say the sheeples don't know their buybull than we atheists, they think I am joking. I have given you the verse from many translations of the bible.

LOL calm down abeg... una blood too dey hot here well well

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:44pm On Sep 08, 2017

Martinez19:
johnydon22 here is the answer.

Romans 3:31

which literally means the Law still stands and wasn't nullified?

well that isn't my problem, my problem is: If the Law stands then practise all of it, if not don't practise any of it. I hope they learn from it

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:42pm On Sep 08, 2017

hopefulLandlord:
why are our holy spirit filled Christians avoiding this thread?

perhaps they're finding it hard making up their mind?

Honestly!!! I do not appreciate the hypocrisy one bit

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 8:42pm On Sep 08, 2017

chemystery:
If they say "that was the old testament", ask them what Jesus meant by this:

But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest detail of the Law to be done away with.
- Luke 16:17 GNB

bump!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 5:27pm On Sep 08, 2017

hopefulLandlord:
Christians have never and will never make up their minds on anything

there was a thread Hardmirror created in which he asked Christians if they're permitted to kill here https://www.nairaland.com/3611001/when-christians-permitted-kill-christian

our Christians quickly ran under the old testament and when their hypocrisy was pointed out to them simply doubled down by putting new words in Jesus mouth and saying Jesus did allow for killing; Hardmirror never gave them any breathing space and when they couldn't back those words with the Bible, blueagent created a thread to ask fellow Christians
you can visit this link www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/10 and see how the thread fared

Hahahaha well that sounds interesting!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 5:26pm On Sep 08, 2017

Proudgorgeousga:
na today they invent bullshit everyday. someone one that thread claimed tattoo can cause spiritual infection LMAO

I am more concerned with everyone coming to a reasonable conclusion, are we to do away with the old testament or not, why do we still need to quote them in defence on our stance of moral issues. If they are no longer valid then they become less an argument, if they are still valid then why are we not keeping all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 5:24pm On Sep 08, 2017*

dalaman:
Everything about the bible is subject to personal interpretation and opinion.

Everyone is allowed to cherry pick the ones they agree with and do away with the ones consonant with their ideas and thoughts but wouldn't that place doctrinal validity into question since the biblical canon is manoeuvred as one deem fit

Saint Augustine once said: If you believe some part of the scripture and not the other, it is not the scripture you believe but yourself

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Christianity Etc › Make Up Your Minds Christians, Is The Law Done Or Not? by johnydon22(op): 4:58pm On Sep 08, 2017*

"It is in the old testament and jesus already done away with the old testament laws so they don't apply anymore"

This is a typical punch line by Christians everywhere on mostly issues about Morality and ethics, religious guidance and theology. Everyone is always quick to bring up that theological defence "It is the old testament"

The Old testament laws has been done away with, we are no longer bound by the laws of Moses; These answers are convenient when you bring up problems like "Why don't you stone your non-virgin brides, why do you eat pork, why do you wear clothing from different materials?

But then again is the Old testament Laws done ?

Cut remarkably when it is convenient Christians always invokes the Old testament Laws, example of such is when it comes to the problem of tithing, or the Issue of homosexuality or tattoos and many other issues that they would require biblical backings to accept or condemn.

Take for instance on a thread about the Christian ideas on tattoos, a good brother pulled out the Leviticus codec

Ericsdm55:
I believe Leveticus 19:28 said it all. It's God's Word about cutting any part of the body. Look through it and take your decision. It's clearly not what a believer should showcase. Remember we must continue to shine as light in this world of sin until the Lord returns, which is of course nearer with all prophecies being in fulfilment.

Seems that the whole plot is a dance around of "pick the ones you like, the ones you don't like just say Jesus has done away with them, they no longer apply"

The whole notion of old testament Laws being done away with seem to me to be a mere excuse to exempt themselves from laws they find extremely barbaric and abhorrent in the Bible but the ones that can be related with in the new world is totally fine to be derived by old testament codecs.

So the question is: Are we done with the Law or not.

Just make up your mind and stick to it.

If the Law is done then on what basis would you condemn people who go consonant to these charges like Homosexuals, non-titters, people who draw tattoo.

If you can invoke the Old testament commandments or laws to condemn some acts it means the laws are not done therefore there is need for you to resurrect every bit of the law and practise, unless you think God got those laws real wrong.

Are we done or not?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Okay For Christians To Have Tattoos? by johnydon22(m): 1:47pm On Sep 08, 2017

Ericsdm55:
I believe Leveticus 19:28 said it all. It's God's Word about cutting any part of the body. Look through it and take your decision. It's clearly not what a believer should showcase. Remember we must continue to shine as light in this world of sin until the Lord returns, which is of course nearer with all prophecies being in fulfilment.

You guys should just make up your mind once and for all, does the law (Old testament Law) still Apply or not?

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Computers › Re: Who Can Reinstall Mac Os In Enugu? by johnydon22(op): 1:01am On Sep 08, 2017

Lexusgs430:
Nah u wan chop beta soup nah .........

hahahahaha but that soup make sense shaa

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Computers › Re: Who Can Reinstall Mac Os In Enugu? by johnydon22(op): 8:26pm On Sep 07, 2017

UncleSnr:
Mama! Windows 10 is 3.4GB+

Haaaay God this people naff just finished me self

Computers › Re: Who Can Reinstall Mac Os In Enugu? by johnydon22(op): 8:13pm On Sep 07, 2017

UncleSnr:
Come over to the Linux side! Our OS is just 1GB+

mac is about 6gb chai

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 8:11pm On Sep 07, 2017

AgentOfAllah:
Hahaha. He made me a believer again...for like 10 seconds!

Asin eeehn real bump!! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 8:10pm On Sep 07, 2017

sonofluc1fer:
You have no choice, I'm a smart man. Got a generous IQ upgrade when I laid the cross of Jesus at his feet and ran away.

Can 1 exist without 0?

How do you need something which doesn't exist? Can our eyes desire colors that do not exist? Me don dey confuse sef.

It seems he's driven off the cliif of Reason, and crashed in the valley of Calamity.

damn!!! savagery over load.. laid the cross of jesus at his feet and ran away cheesy

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 8:05pm On Sep 07, 2017

AgentOfAllah:
Blood of Jesus!!! This guy, you're savage!

i nearly fall comot my chair for here...had it been my laptop fell off sonofluc1fer would have paid for it undecided

the guy nearly murder me with laugh grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 8:00pm On Sep 07, 2017

sonofluc1fer:
Indeed. It follows no laws. Critical thinking requires a few rules and guidelines.

We have. The problem is you put thinking aside too.

We can. The problem is your box looks like a coffin.

A coffin for all that logic holds dear.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:58pm On Sep 07, 2017

butterflylion:
You are set on auto pilot I can see. So I will stop asking that you look away from the problem.

gbosaaaa the question has a problem you have agreed.. my work is done, i'm glad you did yourself.

well done bro, well done!!! grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:56pm On Sep 07, 2017

butterflylion:
I have asked that you look away from the problems. You keep doing that by default.

Look at the solutions. It's not about the number or how they got to that but the fact that they are there and need this which they cannot give themselves in the quantity they would need to thrive.

Look away from the problem

now you have agreed there was a problem with your question which then leads back to my first reply grin

the problems are paradoxical therefore invalidates the premise of the argument thus the need for you to review your question and please critically think about the question you wish to ask next time.

you are asking for critical thinking for questions that doesn't measure up to critical thinking .. haaaaaaaa!!! cheesy

So let's hear what next you've got

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:53pm On Sep 07, 2017

butterflylion:
my universe does not follow the laws you know. My universe does not subscribe to mans evolutionary process as declared scientifically (that is the foundation of my Question) I have been emphasising on putting evolution aside. Can nobody here reason outside their confined boxes?

perfectly suitable reply to this is this one

AgentOfAllah:
The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:50pm On Sep 07, 2017

butterflylion:
You are still confined to evolution when I have repeatedly said PUTTING ASIDE ALL WE KNOW ABOUT EVOLUTION.

I Am not coming from the angle of evolution my dear. Break free from that for a moment maybe then you would level out.

Argumentative implications my friend, simple implications - you don't even grasp your own problems

AgentOfAllah:
The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.

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