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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:41pm On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
That's the authority all faithful servants of God have as long as they're doing God's work they have the right to send away demons who are trying to disturb them.
Note that demons have no right on planet earth it was sin that granted them access to this planet otherwise Satan and his demons has no right to dispossess humans of their sanity. So servants of God has the right to send them away! smiley
You said Jesus Christ had only authority after he resurrected, but when he was Michael he had no such authority... And I gave you a scripture that Jesus had the Authority even before he was resurrected.

See Archangel Michael is the angel in charge of War. There is also archangel Gabriel,Uriel, Raphael... The El in these names mean God.

Samael, Azazel were all archangels before they connived with the Cherubim Lucifer and rebelled against God. Now they are all accusing humans against God

When Jesus ascended back to heaven, He stopped their entrance into that realm and that's what prompted the war, and archangel Michael now with the authority of the Son Jesus Christ was able to overcome the Devil and these fallen angels and threw them out of heaven onto the earth... And hence the relief below.... 👇

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:33pm On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Simply means
"get out of here"
Which anyone could say to a colleague who is trying to disturb you on duty.
Note that Jesus couldn't attack anyone during his earthly ministry rather he was hiding and running away from his enemies but after his resurrection he attacked Saul from the sky.

That's what all AUTHORITY means! smiley
The same Jesus that was healing the sick, casting out devils or gave his disciples power to cast out devils or the same Jesus that shut up the raging waves or Jesus that dried up the fig tree??

Jesus was hiding and running from his enemies 🤣🤣🤣... JW man,please tell God to open your eyes with the help of the holy ghost to understand the things of God... Please
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:30pm On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
After his successfully earthly mission he said:

When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. John 19:30

So after his resurrection he could say:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18
So what Authority did Jesus give to believers before he died and resurrected.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:29pm On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Has he been given the authority yet? Matthew 28:18
What you don't know is that Michael always come to the rescue of God's people anytime Satan attacks so he is doing the same thing when he came to the earth but after his earthly mission has been completed {John 19:30} he was resurrected into glory that's why he could say ALL powers has been given him now {Matthew 28:18} but before then all he could do is scare away Satan just as he did when other lesser angels wanted to bury Moses and Satan came to make use of his body, just as he did when a lesser angel was sent to Daniel and Satan blocked the angel from reaching Daniel, just as he did when he's human and demons were possessing his own people right in his presence. But after his resurrection he has been given the power to oust Satan and other demons from heaven yet he must wait for orders from his father who is the father of all other angels too! Psalms 110:1-2 smiley
So why did Jesus give authority to us believers before he was resurrected?

Or did Archangel Michael have the power to give authority to humans too?

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Then read what Jesus said here!
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:22pm On Aug 14, 2023
Janosky:
Mark 1:24-25

Jesus Expels an Unclean Spirit
…24“What do You want with us
, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” 25But Jesus rebuked the spirit. “Be silent!” He said.....

Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.
grin
Oga, what's this??

Are demons not devils?? Are they not fallen angels along with their master, Lucifer?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:21pm On Aug 14, 2023
Janosky:
Jesus challenged the devil with this quote of Deuteronomy 6:13.
The same manner archangel Michael challenge the devil with a quote of Zechariah 3:2
:"the Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".
Lol...English is not hard.

Michael said," The Lord rebuke you"

See Jesus own, "Get thee behind me,Satan"

Jesus was a direct speech. Michael needed authority to do so... You know why?? Because Michael and Satan are equals... But Jesus had no equal.

Michael and his angels fought the Devil and his angels.

Jesus never needed to fight, just his appearance destroyed the Devil and his agents.... All in the book of revelations
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:18pm On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Has he been given the authority yet? Matthew 28:18
Lol...so when did he get this authority? Is it when he died and resurrected and went back to heaven?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 2:53pm On Aug 14, 2023
Janosky:
Oga, for two (2) reasons you are not honest.
@Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35, did your own Bible say Jesus rebuke Satan?

No,is the answer.

Did your own Bible says Jesus had interaction with Satan @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35?
No,is the answer.
In those portions of scriptures you cited, Jesus Christ expelled demons,Satan wasn't there.

The other verse, Luke 4:8, what was Jesus doing in that verse?
@ Luke 4:8,Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 ("Worship Jehovah your God alone"wink to challenge Satan.

What was archangel Michael doing @Jude 1:9?


Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2 @Jude1:9 saying: "Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".
This Jude 1:9 is further evidence of Jesus identity as archangel Michael because he quoted the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2 to challenge Satan in the same manner that Jesus Christ @Luke 4:8 quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 to challenge Satan.

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 already confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians. grin
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Mark 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Hope you've seen all those above?


2. Then in Revelation chapter 12.

Can you explain why Archangel Michael couldn't cast out the accuser from heaven until the man child was taken up to heaven?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 11:56am On Aug 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Great!
So keep telling all your fellow religionists so that they can become zealous in preaching and teaching just as real disciples should be doing in their neighbourhood! Matthew 28:19-20 smiley
And who told you believers don't do this?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 8:50am On Aug 14, 2023
johnw47:
and that's when He was a man, imagine what Jesus can do in The Spirit as The Word of God,
The Word of God is Jesus name in The Spirit, not michael:

Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
I'm telling you
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 6:44am On Aug 14, 2023
My last post to the deceived JW concerning Archangel Michael not being the same as Jesus Christ.

1. Jude 9 says that Michael would not rebuke or accuse Satan on His own authority, but only say “The Lord rebuke you.” This shows that Michael isn’t Jesus, because Jesus often rebuked Satan and demons in His own authority (Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:8, 4:35).

2. Who fights in this battle? This is truly a battle between equals. The dragon represents Satan (Revelation 12:9), and Satan is not the counterpart of God – God has no counterpart. If anyone, Satan is the counterpart of Michael, who seems to be the chief angel opposite this chief of fallen angels.


3. Some say Michael must be Jesus, because he has his angels. But if Satan – a fallen angelic being – has his angels (Revelation 12:7), can’t Michael – an unfallen angelic being – have his angels?


4. Why was Michael not able to cast Satan out of heaven until Jesus Christ was resurrected and taken back to heaven in revelation 12..

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Who is this man child?? Is this not Jesus Christ?? Now read what follows in the next verses

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Why do you think there was/will be war in heaven?? This is because Jesus Christ ascended back to heaven and stopped Satan from accessing that realm again, and that's why Satan put up a fight with his angels. Prior to Jesus death and resurrection, Satan had access to heaven and kept accussing everyone before God, yet Michael and other angels has no authority to cast him out


Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

So the JW should read this passage and see their folly of calling Angel Michael as Jesus Christ.

Once you've seen Jesus, you've seen God.

Janosky, cornelboy etc
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 6:37pm On Aug 13, 2023
Let's buy this Amrabat on time o... man Utd please.

If Chelsea buy Caicedo, it go bad o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Chelsea Vs Liverpool (1 - 1) On 13th August 2023 by Jokerman(m): 6:34pm On Aug 13, 2023
If Chelsea go buy this Caicedo... E go bad o
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 6:30pm On Aug 13, 2023
🚨💣 𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: Agreement REACHED between Neymar and Al-Hilal for a two-year contract. 🇸🇦✍️

The Brazilian will earn €160M during his contract in Saudi Arabia. 💰

(Source: @lequipe)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 6:08pm On Aug 13, 2023
Chelsea playing well this season... Hmmm
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 10:18am On Aug 13, 2023
Maguire is so foolish.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Of Questionable Characters Attend White Garment ? by Jokerman(m): 10:07am On Aug 13, 2023
That's because they believe they can hide their sins by wearing white
Christianity Etc › Re: What Do You Think Of Christians That Go To Work On Sunday? by Jokerman(m): 10:06am On Aug 13, 2023
If there are two services.... If he/she can't make morning service, they can make evening.

Moreover there are weekday services too
Christianity Etc › Re: The Uncontrollable Spread Of Sexual Lust by Jokerman(m): 9:50am On Aug 13, 2023
jesusjnr2020:
Thought they were already condemned after being cast down from heaven for rebellion, and only continued on earth from where they left off?
That's one of the Rebellion
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Being Born Again Mean I Am Free From Sin And Immunized Against Sinning? by Jokerman(m): 9:49am On Aug 13, 2023
Lol...

No o... Once saved always saved is a dangerous teaching as much as the JW saying Angel Michael is the same as Jesus Christ
Christianity Etc › Re: The Uncontrollable Spread Of Sexual Lust by Jokerman(m): 9:46am On Aug 13, 2023
jesusjnr2020:
Really? How?
They lusted after daughters of men, and they came down to have intercourse with them and gave birth to the Nephilim...

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Business › Re: ➜ ➜ ➜ Football (+/Other Sports) Betting Season 17 ➜ ➜ ➜ by Jokerman(m): 8:45pm On Aug 12, 2023
Another casted game grin
Sports › Re: Cristiano Ronaldo Wins Al Nassr First Ever Kings Cup With 2 Goals (Photos) by Jokerman(m): 8:24pm On Aug 12, 2023
The GOAT gives his all

Topscorers in 2023 (excluding friendlies) :-

🇳🇴 Haaland: 29
🇵🇹 RONALDO: 25
🇫🇷 Mbappe: 24
🇬🇧 Kane: 23
🇦🇷 Messi: 17
Sports › Re: Cristiano Ronaldo, Top Scorer In The Arab Championship, Receives The Golden Boot by Jokerman(m): 7:59pm On Aug 12, 2023
Goat with more records, awards and titles still incoming at 38 years ..

Topscorers in 2023 (excluding friendlies) :-

🇳🇴 Haaland: 29
🇵🇹 RONALDO: 25
🇫🇷 Mbappe: 24
🇬🇧 Kane: 23
🇦🇷 Messi: 17
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 7:42pm On Aug 12, 2023
So Telles play CB/LB today for over 60 mins...

I thought he was not that good?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 7:38pm On Aug 12, 2023
Newcastle na wa o.... Meanwhile

Topscorers in 2023 (excluding friendlies) :-

🇳🇴 Haaland: 29
🇵🇹 RONALDO: 25
🇫🇷 Mbappe: 24
🇬🇧 Kane: 23
🇦🇷 Messi: 17

grin
Sports › Re: Cristiano Ronaldo was forced off injured just before winning his first trophy. by Jokerman(m): 7:20pm On Aug 12, 2023
35 trophies... Wow
Sports › Re: Cristiano Ronaldo was forced off injured just before winning his first trophy. by Jokerman(m): 7:19pm On Aug 12, 2023
That's why we call him 🐐... Proving himself everywhere... Even at 38 years old... 10 matches in 15 days.... The guy no dey tire.

Goatnaldo... May God keep shaking your haters grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 6:49pm On Aug 12, 2023
We are coming for the 2026 WC... So help us God.

🐐 Things
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 6:41pm On Aug 12, 2023
BREAKING: Cristiano Ronaldo now has the most headed goals in Football history surpassing Gerd Muller
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 4:41pm On Aug 12, 2023
All these Everton etc suppose be easy 3 points
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 4:33pm On Aug 12, 2023
Leyqute:
Real Madrid, Inter and Bayern begging free agent De Gea to sign for them.
na legend Una dey troll like this... No respect for his services over the years....

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