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KingEbukasBlog:
Agnostics say it is not possible to know if God exists or not . Are babies saying that it is not possible to know if God exists or not ?

Anyway , you know the answer . The point is , babies should not be labeled - theist , atheist , deist , agnostic whatever - because they are none of those .

depends
You are using the dictionary meaning
But babies still don't know
They don't know if its impossible to know yet
They just don't know

JackBizzle:
For what is dead may never die but rises again harder and stronger.



May Seun, your servant be born again in the sea as you were.
Bless him with stone. Bless him with steel.
Listen to the waves. Listen to the god.
He is speaking to us and he says we shall have no king but Seun Osewa.
Let the sea wash your follies and your vanities away
Let the old Seun drown. Let his lungs fill with seawater.
Let the fish eat the scales off his eyes. What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.
What is dead may never die.

lol some game of thrones sh*t
The ironborn are wierdos tho
Lol you worship the drowned God?

KingEbukasBlog:
We are all born atheists .

Atheists say there is no God , are babies saying there is no God

it's more if agnostic
We are all agnostic

LightandDarkness:
1. "It is not marriage"

The purpose of marriage is NOT to produce children, that is the purpose of reproduction. Last I checked you do not need to be married to reproduce and not every married couple desires to have children. Furthermore people dont get married to "complement their biological, physiological and psychological differences" you marry someone because you love them. And this idea that love only exists between same sex is also inaccurate evidenced by the fact that same-sex couples do infact love each other....

2. It Violates Natural Law

The definition of natural means it occurs in nature. There are 1500 animal species that exhibit homosexual behaviour, therefore how can you say homosexuality is infact unnatural. Even if you said unnatural means rarely occurs in nature, a lot of traits and behaviours are also rare, it doesnt mean they are inherently wrong. Furthermore nature rarely follows "laws", nature is radom and unpredictable.

3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother

There are many single parents who do a great job of raising their children and there are many who do a bad job. The same can be said of children with two parents in their lives. The absence of a father/mother or the presence of two male/female parental figures does not affect how a child turns out as much as the parenting style(s) of the parents in question.

4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle

"Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality." Why would it weaken public morality and basic moral values. So far you havent reeally given a concrete reason why homosexuality is immoral.

5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

Again no good reason why its morally wrong. "Nature" has no "requirements" for marriage. I've already pointed out how some species exhibit homosexuality behaviour and I will also mention that not all animals mate with with one partner (opposite or same sex partner. What is this biological impossibility? Sex isnt just to procreate; it's also for pleasure and a way to show your partner you care for them. Homosexual couples might not have sex the way heterosexual couples do but sex is sex?. It is a civil right for two consenting adults to be able to have a legally recognised union.

6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union

Again the purpose of marriage is not the purpose of reproduction and not every marriage is aimed at having children and not every couple is capable too. The last 2 produce what is a "sterile union" but why is it wrong?, should such couples have their marriage invalidated?.Even if same-sex couples us medical technology to have children why is that wrong? as i've said many same-sex couples do the same. If same-sex couples adopt wouldnt that be a good thing? there are many children produce who have been abandoned and have no homes, if a same-sex union provides them with a good life nothing wrong there.

7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage

"Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage." it's like you keep repeating the same points over and over again. I'm sure everyone gets married primarily for their own happiness. If the main purpose of states recognising marriages was to provide an atmosphere for the upbringing of children then every married couple would be mandated to have children and single parenting would be illegal; I am unaware of anywhere in the world where this is the case.

8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society

No is forcing you to approve, you are being asked to recognise the human rights of same-sex couples.

9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution.

This argument about homosexuality leading to acceptance of incest, pedophilia and bestiality is old. One could argue that incest is wrong because it can produce offspring with harmful mutations, even if no children comes from incestuous relationships it could also be argued that it perverts the bond that exists between siblings and parents. Pedophilia is wrong because the sexual activity occurs between an adult who takes advantage of a child who isnt mentally/emotianally/physically mature, and pedophiles who purchase materials depicting pedophilia fund individuals who exploit children for money, essentially sexual slavery of children. As for bestiality, are you comparing the quality of relationships between two humans to the relationship between a human and an animal? :/ this one is generally just weak.

10. It Offends God

Finally not everyone believes in a god and the wonderful rules of your book. The bible also says

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). Hope you dont have any muslims in your family.

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29. I guess we must also make women who have been raped marry their rapists, its what God wants innit.

they'll tell you "that was the old testament" They are very happy to follow some old testament rules (shunning gay men) but not others (selling their daughters into slavery, stoning disobedient children, eschewing shellfish) — even though the Bible, which they claim can be the only source of their moral decision making, is quite silent on what parts of it you can happily ignore.
But don't bother it was the old testament

Oreoo:
[s]1. It Is Not Marriage
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.
Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
2. It Violates Natural Law
Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.
Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.
Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.
Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.
Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.
4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.
Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.
Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.
5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.
This is false.
First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.
Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.
6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.
7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.
8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.
In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.
9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
In the 1960s, society was pressured to accept all kinds of immoral sexual relationships between men and women. Today we are seeing a new sexual revolution where society is being asked to accept sodomy and same-sex “marriage.”
If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior? Indeed, radical elements of certain “avant garde” subcultures are already advocating such aberrations.
The railroading of same-sex “marriage” on the American people makes increasingly clear what homosexual activist Paul Varnell wrote in the Chicago Free Press:
"The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality."
10. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)

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Bullshit
How are they disturbing you
Why are you people so bothered about the sexual activities of others. Aren't there infertile heterosexual couples too??
Why aren't you bothering them
Why do you want to impose your religious beliefs on others
Must you make everybody's life miserable
I'm not a homosexual but I don't have anything against them because they aren't a terror to society neither are they promoting a "everyone should be gay agenda"
Im happy the rest of humanity isn't like you
Your religion has made you a bigot
Preach against adultery
Preach against divorce
Preach against marriage after divorce
Christians do all this
Clean up your house before you clean others

People still believe in a literal Noahs flood. They believe that saltwater fish can survive with freshwater *facepalm* or that plants can stay underwater for a year
People believe that marsupials like kangaroos, koalas, wombats and Tasmanian Devils swam all the way from Australia, passed the Indian ocean all the way to get to a boat created by 8 unskilled people who didn't have the slightest knowledge of physics and architecture
And when the ark landed on mount Ararat the marsupials went all the way back to Australia from turkey without any evidence of thier migration whatsoever neither did they stop and populate any other continent on thier journey back plus no fossils of the migration whatsoever
The sensible christians are calling this an allegory and people are saying that the flood is literal
*sigh*
why is Africa like this

akintom:
Simply because your capacity and capability to reason, has fatally been crashed.

Lol promise10 is a r*tard
The guy was showing criss angel illusions as magic
From that alone I just saw the dude wasn't worth my time
When thiests and atheists are trying to have sensible discussions the dude just comes and starts ranting like a rabid bonobo that is being raped by a mule
He's probably a prepubescent teenage girl
Don't bother with his comments
Let him roll in his feaces

promise10:
and the dumbness continues.....

I ask again, can you stop typing so dumb? what's all this?!

op is asking about something that is peculiar to atheism. can't you read?

if you have nothing to say, why not say it offers nothing?

people you talked about is out of the case, because their success is not tied to atheism as theists still do even better than what you quoted.

dude I don't give a Bleep what thiests did and didn't do. I'm just saying atheists and thiests have contributed to mankind so I dunno what your idiotic rant is about. I was replying the guy that said atheism hasn't contributed anything to mankind and he wasn't the OP plus I was simply saying both sides have contributed
Are you so retarded nit to realise that?
You are stupid promise. Is your name like a covenant for continuous idiocy in your lineage or something
Stop quoting me
Chao

promise10:
can you stop dodging?

you guys will just come out as atheists, when hit you guys so hard in arguments you resort to becoming agnostic. COWARDS!!

Everyone knows that the core of atheism is NATURALISM, where everything is believed to have come through natural processes. so, what's your Point?

I've always said I was agnostic . I say I don't know but I won't subscribe to an irrefutable methodology like religion.

joyContraMundum:
What The Fvck!!! What kinda horrible gullibility is this, mehn?! Aisshh.... *FACE PALM*

I swear. This was so stupid. But sha the founding fathers of America belived in the separation of church and state.... Which actually makes sense. So when I saw this thread i was like

flamingREED:
Rubbish.

You're addicted to worthless speculations on NOVA and those by Brian Greene..

okay
From your comment I don't even think you know the speed of light is finite
I don't have time to argue
So okay whatever you say

Lol you thiests atheists don't say the universe came from nothing
We don't know how it came to be yet. And that is agnosticism
But it doesn't make sense to just believe in one Jewish deity
-he created the earth in 3 days but he created the stars in one day. One teaspoon of matter from a neutron star would weigh hundreds and thousands of tonnes but apparently the bible writers assumed that stars were little dots in the sky
Lol comedy
If we should just sit down and say godddidit I don't think we'd have understood the universe as well as we do
It's you thiests that say something came from nothing( basically a Jewish magic man created the universe from nothing)
Look man I'm going for an astrophysics masters program next year. The universe is too huge too too huge for you to think
-you are the only life forms in the entire universe- this is mathematically impossible- you can Drake equation for more info( this equation was for the milky way alone) so imagine the possibilities with the distant universe
-the universe was made for you
When Jesus comes back he didn't tell you christians you'll be going on a tour round the Cosmos. Rather you'll be on a "new earth" This is pretty lame if you ask me.
We don't know how the universe came to be but we are finding out. The summary is reality is too interesting for me to live in ignorance. Do you know what you guys are doing. You are putting God in the areas you don't understand
The God of the gaps
And that's not going to help you.
Neil degrasse Tyson said "if you want to keep on putting God into things you don't understand then God will forever remain a receeding pocket of scientific ignorance"

This argument makes no sense. Atheists and religous people have helped mankind
Who can forget issac newton- his work on gravity though it was modified it is still correct when the speeds aren't up to the speed of light
Or Stephen hawking- cosmologist
This dude has the 10th highest IQ currently
He's an atheist.... Like his own is bad he's not even agnostic atall. he has ALS and he's still so relevant
Basically both atheists and religious people have helped mankind
The difference right now is that science has started answering the big questions not like 200-500 years ago. There would have been a lot of thiests then
Basically there are very few people why believe in God because it provides the best cosmology. Modern science has undermined religion
Please religious people the earth isn't 6000 years old. And we can see the cosmic microwave background radiation- the leftover thermal heat from the universe's early expansion and red shift of light. Proof of the big bang(it's not an explosion btw) We can see starlight older than 6000 years so we live in an old earth and an even older universe

ever811:
I honestly don't think,atheist has contribute a thing to humanity,..they have not contributed a thing to there own life not to talk of mankind...

ooh really?
You're on the internet created by Tim Berners lee- an atheist
And you're on a public forum created by seun osewa- an atheist
I just named two things you use regularly
So your comment is ignorant
Atheists and religious people have both helped mankind
Just to add Alan Turing the father of computer science helped win world war 2 by cracking the enigma code. I'm sure you have a smartphone and I'm sure you know who Mark zuckerberg is
And Thomas Alva Edison invented the motion picture camera and the lightbilb
I think you are confused

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Don't you think they're in the best position to answer that question.

I know my God, and my God knows me.

ooh really
Why don't you send us a selfie with your buddy?. Or at least his number
I'd like to know what he looks like

freshcvvs:
I expected something sensible as a rebuttal, quote me when you have one.

lol don't bother about promise10. You'll turn into a fossil if you want to wait for him to have sense

GrizzlyBear:
If there is anything that is starkly false in christianity, it's speaking in tongues.
What christians call speaking is tongues, is just someone saying random meaningless words and claiming it's of heavenly origin. Anyone can do this.

Just study any christian who frequently speaks in tongue and you'll notice that every time he speaks in tongues, he uses the same string of phrases. This is because his brain has already become accustomed to those words, and invariably made it his default "heavenly tongue"

I know people that have been using the same string of meaningless phrases for years now. They are so used to it, that they don't even know that it's the same line of phrases that they use.

Christians need to know that whatever transcendent feeling that they experience, is also what everyone from ever other religion experiences when they engage in so called spiritual activities, which can range from prayer, to worship or meditation, and such feeling, can be so profound and overwhelming, that it makes them susceptible to suggestion and weird behavior. And when they get accustomed to such weird behavior, it becomes a part of them.

babies below the age of 2 and intoxicated people also speak in tounges

They plagiarized judiasm and made a God out of a man
Lol the comedy in Christianity

LaClicKLaBenDin:
All these to justify sodomy?

that's what you think it is. You should realise that everybody doesn't look at the world with the eyes of a christian.

WORLDPEACE:
Many were abused as minors so the issue of choice does not come in for them. This includes those also who were abused by a fellow minor. Many of them don't say this anymore because now it's normal but they know its the truth. If you repeat anything long enough, people will believe it. Like the holy spirit crap. That's the way I see the 'they were born with it' defence. It's gaining acceptance because important people are saying it not because it is fact.

I disagree with you cuz my younger sister was sexually abused by an older girl when she was very young for a long time but she's a heterosexual. That's the reason I personally know it's not as a result of abuse

WORLDPEACE:
Addicts make those choices. I don't hate you. I hate misinformation.

you are comparing a homosexual to an addict
Sooo you actually think they just decided to start at point in their lives like drugs

calliope:
Its really appalling reading all of remarks about homosexuality on here.. Thanks to a ban I couldn't comment until this moment. Isn't it unfair seun, just because I am a homosexual I get banned for defending myself against homophobes, while they go unscathed (ban -wise i mean )inspite the insults throw at me

For those who think being gay is choice? Lemme ask something.
Who chooses to be demeaned, Oppressed, condemned, hurt, and in most cases killed or Lynched? Why would anyone make that choice?! If you think been a gay is a choice feel free to turn yourselves into one right this moment

So much hate and bigotry has blinded so many they can't even make use of logical reasoning.. Keep wallowing in ignorance.

just forget them. They just made me sad l. Thank Goodness the rest of humanity aren't like these lot

wirinet:
So What? Do homosexual couples tell you that they want children? Homosexuals are already aware that they cannot produce children. There are also millions of heterosexual couples who cannot have children.

help me tell him oo

Lennycool:
Was Sodom and gomorrah even real?
Plus he saved a bunch of incest crazed people, is incest better than homosexuality?

that story was a lie cuz you cant have sex with an intoxicated old man(when he's old it gets way worse)
Bible writers were seriously stupid tho

jmoore:
How many pikin you don born?

You guys are clowns.

nawa for you oo. You just hate gays. I'm not gay but I don't like the way you guys go about them cuz I know gay people and they are good people. Different sexual orientation from yours doesn't mean they are evil
If you have a gay child will you:
-beat the gay out of him
-pray the gay out of him
-disown him
Your comments sound like you'll do the three options though

jmoore:
I don't support evil and foolish things. If supporting evil and foolish things is hypocrisy, then I am proud to be a hypocrite.

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Why don't you support bestiality? And they not born that way too?

Why are the so called 'gay' countries not in support of bisexual marriage? A typical bisexual marriage is made up of at least 2 men and 2 women. The bisexuals are born that way too according to gay theory

Go and impregnate your fellow man.

Until then goodbye.

lol the difference between homosecuality and zoophilia is that zoophilia is a disorder like
Paedophiles - sexually attracted to children
Or coropholia- sexually attracted to feaces
But homosexuality isn't

Lennycool:
Wow and christian conservative websites are just the standard for unbiased info.
It would be like going to an Islamic website to find proof that Jesus was the son of God.
Reproduction is not the aim of every human.

lol I tire for religious people oo. That conservepedia is incredibly bias. I never go there for information

DoctorAlien:
You have made no point.

That is beside the fact that you made some hasty generalizations, and also committed some logical fallacies which any rational mind would quickly denounce.

I said some christians not all. But in this country anyway its basically all

jmoore:
And there he goes again. What has homosexuality got to do with computer science? Did he code homosexuality into computer?

Nonsense!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1_pBLuBEgw

ok
Whatever
You are still a hypocrite tho

Richirich713:
Doesn't follow

lol but homosexuals are "disgusting" in your words
My advice for you is to see such people as humanity
Don't discriminate or hate them
They're a minority in the world population so why bother. They aren't forcing heterosexuals to be gay( that's not even possible)
So people will always give birth

jmoore:
loose point!!!

Try harder.

*facepalm*
Whatever man I don't have time to argue
Alan Turing was gay
He founded modern computer science
Burn your smartphone today