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That witchcraft thing is so annoying
They abandoned a child earlier this year cuz the poor boy was accused of being a witch
He was later rescued by a danish worker
This superstitious idiocy in the name of religious beliefs has eaten deep into the heart of Nigeria

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We can't know yet if we were created or not
The second law of thermodynamics even disproves a fine tuned universe
Entropy in a closed system would increase over time
The universe is a closed system
Therefore it is more disordered than it was when it was young. The temperature is approaching absolute zero
I don't claim to know about a creator but that doesn't sound "designed"

plaetton:
Not so fast Buddy.
It doesn't work like that here.

You err, you get flogged.
You don't decide who flogs you and who shouldn't.

they always get flogged but keep coming back for more

Akinton you should really take a chill pill yo
I'm on your side but you can make your points at least less.....errrrr
Vile

plaetton:
And,
Let thy will be done,but, but please alter it just for me.

chaiii
See obvious paradox
How christians don't realise this is beyond me

GrizzlyBear:
The thing about humans is that we tend to excogitate ideas about our world, through our perception of it. And this is also what's at the root of religious beliefs. We tend to ascribe agency to our environment. We think, that since this is how it is in our world, then this must have been how it happened.

Humans evolved consciousness to the level of understanding our environment and aiding our survival. I don't think we have evolved the cognitive capacity to understand something outside of our environment. I don't think we possess the understanding and level of consciousness to comprehend whatever it was that engineered the creation of our universe and the other million universes that exist. It's simply beyond our scope of reasoning and understanding. Maybe in a millions of years to come, we would, but given our level of consciousness we can't in our lifetime.

That's why I laugh when I see people make claims about the creator of the universe and attribute humanly traits to it, like father and son, and even claim that he demands their worship, speaks to them, answers their prayers, watches them when they are alone, stalks their everyday movements and activities, loves them unconditionally, punishes them when they break moral principles that were obviously a product of human construction, wants a personal relationship with them, and would punish those who don't believe in him in hell for all eternity. Not only does this represent a severe case of delusion and intellectual vacuousness, it also represents how self conceited humans can be.

I think questions like this are a huge gap in our knowledge and understanding about our world, especially given the fact that we are anthropomorphic species that love to seek patterns in our environment. But the truth is that we simply don't have answers to this question of whether the universe has a creator or not. But a serious problem arises when we decide to fill up these holes in our knowledge, with delusions and concoctions, or religious beliefs, like we all commonly refer to them as.

I mean, doesn't it baffle anyone that the understanding we have about our world was presented by desert dwelling who lived 4000 years ago? Doesn't anyone find this unsettling? I mean, even if anyone was to propose a valid explanation of the true nature of our world and it's creator, even if it's strewn with lies, at least let it be people from the 20th century and beyond. At least these people would be less ignorant and more morally sound.

lol they made thier God
Omininpotemt
Omnipresent
Omimiscient
Ominibenevolent
Sooo lemme get this straight
They have an all powerful god that is all knowing and is everywhere all at once and he is extremely kind and has a personal relationship with them and answers thier prayers like a genie at their beck and call
Woooow
RIP Logic
Christianity: Murders logic in cold blood

prayer entails the idea of attempting to make an allegedly omniscient entity aware of something. It also involves messing with an allegedly divine plan, and divine plan or indirectly arguing that the person praying could somehow improve upon God's intent or design.
Lol comedy
Godbotherers never seem to consider that their constant pleading of God might piss him off.
Help me with my body odour even though I have bad hygiene
Help me find my car keys even though I'm careless
Make me better in bed even though I don't practice
Help me with my test even though i didn't read

naijadeyhia:
Shut your bitter lying mouth you 6am lie pundit.

Where has Prayer hindered development of discoveries? How do you even reason?

Has bitterness so eroded your ability to think?

Missionaries came here to africa to remove the shackles of the dark ages from us so we can become creative and some of the best inventors and doctors and workers out there are africans and religious yet they pray and plan.

what kind of reasoning does this guy have bikonu

chaiiii!!!!
Akinton are you gonna take this from him??
Naijadeyhia go to church and stop doing jesus' warrior and Jesus avenger upandan
He's right prayer serves no purpose
It is as flaccid as a 95 year old er*ction and as infertile as a 95 year old spermotazoa
Forget Abraham I know he was around that age or older than that but this is the real world

Chaiii
Deepsight don finish Ebuka ooooo

victorazy:
Funny dude

Indeed the signs are almost completed.
We've had blood moon revelation spoke about and sun turning dark (eclipse) and the one that suprises me was the bible says the sun will be wearing "sackcloth" the Holy spirit opened my eye and to understand that sackcloth is the (corona) round the sun during total eclipse and I was marveled.

Yeah like how the holy spirit has been opening the eye of every end time prophet and prophesier since the beginning of the first century ehn

Hes OP "prophesied" last year that satellites would fall to the earth
That when the bible talked about stars falling it meant satellites
And the e events would occur during given dates at November last year. That was an obvious FAIL
And now this?

Obama would hand over to trump and trump would hand over to Kanye west in 2020

Lol this is far fetched to be honest
We know Christianity is a lie but you don't have to go this far naaa

raphieMontella:
this is one of the most lame things ive ever seen you write on NL..
Deism a religion?
Baba ehn

chaiiii!

raphieMontella:
they know...
But distorting reality just to support their religious delusion is usually their number one priority...

arguing with these people ehn
So much dishonesty

CoolUsername:
If it happens, I'll come back to this thread to make an apology. If it doesn't, I'll come back to this thread to troll and ridicule.

(The condition being that Obama refuses to hand over to trump.)

that is extremely unlikely
Extremely

naijadeyhia:
Guys its been fun. I would have to go get some sleep. Tomorrow is a big day. To my Atheists who are my future Brothers in Christ I bid you farewell. We will pick this up tomorrow.

lol which Christ
The one that is a lie?
Haha

naijadeyhia:
You and Jonbellion only have one word to describe you guys....CONFUSED!

He says yes to God but not to the Religious kind and you say NO to any and both of you are what?

huh
No!!
I say I don't know to the concept of a supreme being but a big NO to religous Gods
personal Gods make no sense

Lennycool:
Nice try, but let me show you why your argument is childish and inherently flawed.

Lennycool : Ebuka my ever ignorant acquaintance, do you believe in Santa clause, Zeus, Odin, Osiris or elves?

Ebuka: No i do not, wise and unbiased lennycool

Lennycool: Well why not. Are you omniscient?

Ebuka: No sir I am not

Lennycool: Well then do you have any evidence that these things do not exist?

Ebuka: No sir

Lennycool: Really? Then how can you believe with certainty that these beings do not exist?

Ebuka: Because some things are not worth considering especially when they have no evidence supporting them

Lennycool: So would you classify your unbelief as faith?

Ebuka; No sir I would not.

Lennycool: well okay that's enough, you can go back to your post at the gate.

Ebuka: YES SIR!!!

lol good one Leonard

KingEbukasBlog:
King Ebuka : Lennycool , are you omniscient ?

Lennycool : No sir

King Ebuka : Lennycool , can you say with certitude that there is no God

Lennycool : No sir , I am not certain there is no God

King Ebuka : Do you have any facts to validate this belief

Lennycool : No sir

King Ebuka : Then shut the fukk up , you have faith , blind faith .

maybe not got God but for religous Gods yes
We are 100% certain the there is no Yahweh, ni Vishnu and no Jesus Christ( in the way he was portrayed by religion)
Lol agnostics is what most athiests should be callad atheist is misleading

naijadeyhia:
****COPIED***
[b]
Deism: A religion whose followers
believe in a God who created the
universe, established its rules of
behavior, set it going, left, and
hasn't been seen since


The word "Deism" is derived from the Latin word for God: "Deus."

Deism is a natural religion. Deists believe in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion, religious authority, or holy text. Because of this, Deism is quite different from religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The latter are largely based on revelations that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe mostly came from God to prophet(s) who then taught it to humans.

We like to call natural religions by the title "bottom-up" faiths because they were created by humans about God; we refer to revealed religions as "top-down" because their followers believe that they were created by God and delivered to humans.

One faith that is opposite of Deism is Atheism, which is the lack of a belief in the existence of a god or gods. Another seen in the beliefs of most Theists who conceive of God as a deity who is all-present, all-powerful, all-loving, all-knowing and has a personal interest in every human on Earth.

Deists:

Do not accept the belief of most religions that God revealed himself to humanity through the writings of the Hebrew Scriptures (a.k.a. Old Testament), and/or the Christian Scriptures (a.k.a. New Testament), and/or the Qur'an, and/or other religious text.

Disagree with strong Atheists who assert that there is no evidence of the existence of God.
Many Deists reason that everything that exists has had a creator -- from a wristwatch, to a television set, to the Internet itself. Thus it is logical that the universe itself must have been created by God:


Thomas Paine concluded a speech shortly after the French Revolution with:

"God is the power of first cause, nature is the law, and matter is the subject acted upon."[/b]

There are Deists on Nairaland and they affirm to my post. YOU ARE BEING DISHONEST

but the only difference between diests and athiests is belief
They both reject organised religion and personal Gods
What's your point. That us is even way more sensible
And I don't think most athiests outrightly say there is no God. Stop using the dictionary to define personal beliefs
Must athiests are more agnostic
The only difference between an agnostic and a diest is that an agnostic says we can not know
Both reject organized religion and personal Gods so we are basically in the same side

Religion divides more than it unites
It's because of religion this argument is being put up
And a lot if disposable acts throughout history was approved by religion
Was it atheists they ordered the Salem witch trials
Or Diests or pantheists
Nope
Slavery was justified by religion, women's rights where suppressed. After all isn't it a disgrace for a woman to speak in church according to Paul.
I think religous people are just sad cuz they aren't allowed to have thier way as much as before
The society has started to have sense

These people are

GrizzlyBear:
Stop being dishonest. Sweden and Denmark are secular states, with a non-religious majority. I have actually read books about this. Stop misinforming people.

these people are just tiring
I don't know why they bring up arguments when they are so bent on their world view that they refuse to listen to anyone else
Somebody was comparing social Darwinism to evolution.

Wait what... You didn't think this argument through
Religion actually divides more than it unites
Don't straw man my argument I never said that without religion there would be no evil but look at how often religion has been used to justify horrific acts. Adolf Hitler used religion to justify his genocide of the Jewish people. Slave owners used religion to justify their ownership of other human beings. Anti-desegregation advocates used religion to justify the separation of the races.religion has even been used to deny a need to address climate change. You know, because God controls the weather *facepalm*
Look at the Salem witch trials. Human beings were slaughtered all in the name of religion.
Militant Muslims and christians terrorising society. Religion kept women in the dark for so long
The Quran says you should beat your wife if she denies you sex and that in a court two women testifying is as good as one man. In Saudi Arabia women can't drive
The bible says it is a disgrace for a woman to speak in the church. The bible says a woman should be killed if when she was raped she didn't shout hard enough for anyone to hear
Selling your daughters to slavery, women marrying their rape victims, womens hands should be cut off if she touches her husbands opponents gentilals during a fight she was trying to separate The worst part is that apologetics would justify all this nonsense. Women weren't allowed in the early church choir for a long time. I'm really proud of what women have become in the society despite religious fundamentalists
Native Americans were treated like some kind of subhuman savages because they weren’t “good Christians.” So, what’s the best way religion told us to deal with non-Christian “savages”? Try to convert some, slaughter most of the rest, all while stealing their land.
Wow
For instance, how would one justify a stance against homosexuality without using religion?
What does religion ultimately boil down to? What happens to us after we die. Nawa
A world without organised religion A world where war was never waged simply because one group of people labeled themselves a different religion than another,Where people had to think for themselves as opposed to simply being told what to believe by somebody else.
I'm not saying religion is horrible but it has been perversed to the extreme. When I came back to Nigeria after my higher education I stayed with my uncle for a few weeks. A distant cousin of 10 years old couldn't pronounce the word "call" but she goes to school
Meanwhile she can say the 10 commandments by heart
Who the 10 commandments epp?
More like the 3.5 sensible commandments
Nigeria is about 158 in the human development index. That is very poor. That means that a lot of people live beyond minimum wage. And these are the people that need religion the most. But the idiot MOGs would rob them dry and build their empire on earth. Imagine charlatan oyedepo slapping a child and Nigerians were justifying such an imbecilic act. His sorry ass would have been sued in a developed country
Norway is no1 in the HDI and it's an atheistic country.
Sweden, Finland
Finland has the best educational system in the world
And in Nigeria we have 10 year olds that can't pronounce "call" but can say the commandments of a religion not meant for them. And it's this kind of people that will value religion the most. Would you even let your daughter marry an atheist. This is how religion divides lack of religion would unite people. Because what religion has ultimately done throughout human history is divide them. It’s one group of human beings telling another group of human beings that the god they can’t prove exists is more real than the god the other group of people can’t prove exists is.... And what happens when we die
Very stupid really
A world without religion wouldn't be perfect anyway but it'll be better
We wouldn’t have countries where millions of human beings are controlled, with basic human rights stripped away, by brutal theocracies,People wouldn’t be divided simply based on a label and all the horrors justified by religion would never have existed
Steven Weinberg summed it up when he said
"with or without religion you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things but for a good person to do evil things that takes religion"
Sooo OP if you think without religion the world would become a post-apocalyptic wasteland of anarchy...........

honourhim:
[s]Even this world we are living in, can everybody in the world give the same description about it? Hell fire that contains millions upon millions of souls is where you expect people to give the same description about. You people are always looking for one foolish excuse to give yourself for your fears[/s].

what kind of daft analogy is this
At least on earth any external object comes in through the atmosphere
As for hell Some say it's a pit, or a gate, or a road the make up thier minds
In reality you would never by a house you have never seen or inspected but you are buying into an afterlife you have never seen with golden streets and pearly gates
This should be the definition of wistful thinking
And btw the bible even says when you die you are in Sheol until judgement. At least at christs supposed second coming the dead would rise first so its obvious nobody has been anywhere
Lol scared of hell
You wish
Comedy gold
You don't have to put everyone in your predicament you know
By the way if the place is even real by christian standards about 99.9% of the human race would end up there. All those scientists would have made it air conditioned
Plus it'll be so fun the 0.1% of humanity that made the heaven would be looking so longingly at the fun were having before t
Lord jeebus slaps you into place to continue licking his ass for all eternity
Don't swallow
Lol my "fears"