Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:46pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: follow this link and read what they posted there.
m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4082/comment/2012/05/09/3091015/nwankwo-kanu-finidi-george-the-five-best-nigerian-performers It's the same thing you guys are saying na. Lolade Adewuyi, a Nigerian, wrote, "Once described as the best winger in the world...". The question is: by whom?
Personally, I think a lot of people on this thread are better than the guys at goal.com, so it's like icon4s writing an article and writing, "Finidi was the best winger in the world in 1997...". Says who? Can we find a link? Is it by FIFA? Or UEFA? Who? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:40pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: Hugging the touchline is actually not a bad thing. That's what people mean when they say you shoud add 'width' to your game, it means instruct your wingers to hug the touchline, funny aint it? Rashford hugs the touchline for Manu, trying to provide width there, so I don't see anything bad with that.
Your main criticism is that he doesn't make penetrating runs and that he does not cross well and all that, agreed Moses made penetrating runs against Tanzania, but his crosses were absurd hence my comparison, or his crosses were on point that day? He was an upgraded Ikedia.
In the match against Tanzania, Moses was his usual dynamic sef and when you are blaming him for the wayward crosses, do you remember how poor Ighalo was in connecting with the wingers? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:37pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
tbaba1234: Between 1994 and 1997/8, you could not mention 3 right wingers without Finidi. When you say 'you could not', do you mean 'Nigerians could not'? I will not argue against evidence if presented. Everybody knows Finidi was good, but was he acknowledged as the best? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:35pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
enomakos: did you watch finito play during his days with ajax?he was not only the best crosser of the ball but also the best passer of the ball during his time he was better than figo I'm not disputing what you said. I'm only asking for source that he was the best winger in the world like I hear people say all the time. It's also telling that even though it is claimed that he was the best, he left Ajax for Betis when the best in the era went to Barcelona and Madrid in Spain. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:31pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
tbaba1234: Babangida was a baller, he scores goals too, makes all those ljungberg kind of runs, plus he had good technique.
I was an Ajax fan as a kid and Tijani was always scoring critical goals. But he's nothing close to Moses.
In 36 games, he scored 5 goals for Nigeria. In 27 games, Moses has scored 9 goals.
Technique, Pace, Skills, Crossing, Goals, Moses has got them. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:27pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Did u see Babangida when he was at Ajax?
Victor Moses' best game for Nigeria ever was against Algeria in Uyo. He has largely.been disappointing in his entire career.
Go watch Nig-Gha 2000 & see Babangida in action. Even France '98. Babangida did not do for Nigeria in those two tournaments what Victor Moses did not do in the AFCON triumph in 2013. Have you forgotten his impact in the tournament? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:23pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: i don't even understand what you are saying again. I thought I made it clear that I am choosing squarely from the two teams in question, the first is the team that represented us at the 98 world cup and our present team. How many games did Yekini play at the 98 world cup? Then you missed my point. I said Mikel is top 3 in Nigeria's best ever players. If you pick the highlight of both Mikel and Oliseh in club and country, Mikel wins. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:21pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Source?
Do u know how many events of the 80s and 90s that were nt documented due to lack of the internet? Chai...una don start o. Do you know when the internet was invented? If Finidi was ever the world's best winger between 1995 and 1998, it will be recorded somewhere. So how come we have documented strides of George Weah?
That's how they said India beat Nigeria 99 - 0. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:14pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: Ok, you didn't watch Babangida well enough. Wait sef, against Tanzania what was Moses doing? Exactly what you just explained now! Take the ball, focus your face on the ground and run to wherever you want with it. Like Icon4s mentioned, let him be consistent enough Are you sure you watched the Tanzanian match? Moses does not play like Ikedia please. Moses is direct. He beats his markers, sprays passes, crosses or shoots. Unlike Ikedia, he doesn't hug the touchline. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:12pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Too early. Let us see him maintain this form even till next season.
Finidi was up there for almost a decade! Please can you show me anywhere online where Finidi was regarded as better than Figo. I've heard it since like forever by Nigerians but I didn't see any source. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:09pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: I guess you didn't understand what I aptly pointed out. I said the two generations, or rather the two world cup teams. Let me ask, do you know why Yekini did not start that match? Personally, this is the most absurd thing I've heard today. Yekini will not make a combined two world cup team. Oga, Yekini will make the first eleven of Nigeria from 1960 to 2016. Don't let people hear this football heresy abeg. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:05pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: I dnt think so. Babangida is a mere upgraded Pius Ikedia. Take ball, run with it with the head looking at the ground to the corner flag, and cross hoping for the best.
He's got nothing on Victor Moses. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:02pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Do u know Finidi was among the earliest wingers that re-invented wing play?
Dp u know Finidi was at a pt described as the best Right winger in the world even though a player like Luis Figo also existed?
The only winger in the Super Eagles pf today that plays something that looks like Finidi's Alex Iwobi.
Victor Moses for Finidi ke? Do you know Victor Moses is regarded as the best wingback in the world today? I will take a player who can defend, dribble, cross and score goals. He can player the midfield, defense and attack.
Bros, I take Victor Moses. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:54pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: thank you, top 10 not top3.
If I were to choose the best players from the two generations under review, it would be Okocha, Kanu, Enyeama, Finidi, OLISEH, Moses, Mikel, Babayaro and Okechukwu. Mind you, I mean if I were to choose them when they are in top form, I mean their possible best conditions, I am not considering what they have achieved or their longetivity just who has the best abilities in top form. A list that does not have Yekini is not a credible list. Yours is a laughable list. Cele where Yekini does not feature?
1. Kanu 2. Okocha 3. Mikel
That's Eagles top 3. You obviously underestimate the impact and influence of Mikel in his generation in the Super Eagles. Mikel is the most decorated Nigerian player (behind Kanu?) |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:50pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: Oliseh was in the Borrusia team that wrestled the Bundesliga from Bayern twice! Do you think an outsider winning the bundesliga is easy? This isn't the champions league where you play one match in two months, he consistently maintained the same performance for an entire season! Bros, no start with the lies na. Oliseh won the league only once with Dortmund. 2001-2002.
So by your submission, Vardy is better than Aguero because he won the EPL last year as top scorer?
You never saw Mikel churn out consistent performances over the years at Chelsea? Plays very well as a DM for Chelsea, and between the months plays as AM for the Eagles. E easy? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:44pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Who Moses for displace? Finidi or Babangida? Moses will definitely replace Babangida. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:42pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Mickael2: come again? Who put Mikel in the top 3? Nna eh Tell me your top 10. Let's compare notes. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:40pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: DID YOU EVER SEE GEORGE FINIDI PLAY?
Mikel replace Oliseh?
In the current set up it is Onazi vs Oliseh and Mikel vs Okocha. Of course I did. I'm telling you that I'm taking this rejuvenated Moses over Finidi. This Moses is a machine. That performance against Man City is beyond incredible.
And like I said, I can use both of them in our matches.
I also watched Mikel in his greatest matches, including a most world-class man of the match performance in the Champions league final. I will take Mikel over Oliseh. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:36pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon79: Are you for real 
Listen, as a coach, Sunday Oliseh is clueless. But as a player, Oliseh at his best is world class. Definitely one of the best DMs in the world at that time. In those days, the Super Eagles always struggle each time Oliseh is having an off day. In fact, one reason why we got trashed by Demark in the '98 world cup was because Oliseh was MIA in that game. That's how influential he is to our game.
O pari Nigeria's greatest ever players, Mikel is in top 3. Oliseh is not in top 7. That says alot. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:32pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Oya compare:
Okocha vs Mikel
Finidi vs Moses.

Enyeama is not in this current crop na. Left to me, I will take Moses over Finito. But against Spain, I can accommodate the two of them. I will just take out Garba Lawal or Mutiu Adepoju.
Mikel will replace Oliseh not Okocha. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:20pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Kog45: Thank u for good observation,d France 98 eagles squad was an over hype team. If this present team reaches its potential, only Kanu and Okocha will be left. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:11pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
tbaba1234: Nigeria played 4 4 2, then so i doubt Mikel will displace Oliseh or Okocha. Victor Moses in his current form will possibly have a starting shirt on one of the wings.
Ikeme and Enyeama will replace the France '98 Rufai. Mikel will bench Oliseh. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:52pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Icon4s: Asin eh.
No member of the current squad could have made that France '98 starting 11.
Yet...  Mikel and Victor Moses will make the first team. If we still had Enyeama, he will make the first team too. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:40pm On Dec 05, 2016 |
Seun: Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help
People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!
Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.
Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.
Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are suicidal and violent.
Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.
Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.
Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.
Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.
Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.
And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".
Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:40am On Dec 04, 2016 |
MsMayhem: So, I disappeared for 3 days, I no talk anything when Kelechi had his moment of madness and nobody could ask "where is safarigirl?"
Now I know the kind of threadmates I have, una well done  You that you've been viewing the thread.
About Kelechi, I'm too unhappy to say much. You watched the match? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:37am On Dec 04, 2016 |
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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:06pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
I will be honest. You are filled with too much hate. The point is simple, Players improvement happens on the training pitch. Which goes on for about five days a week and hours on the training pitch.
It is my idea after a lot of study.
Cristiano Ronaldo spent hours everyday on the training pitch before and after training. Based on your ideology, Cristiano should stop training extra hours and stick to his regular training routine. His regular match games will do the magic. False! You're wrong about that. I will not respect a coach who is turning one of our brightest ever prospects into a 'vegetable'. Kelechi needs to play more regularly.
Well, I think he will now that Aguero has been red-carded. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:24pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
Icon4s: He was jst dispossesed for Chelsea's 3rd goal.
He looks match rusty. Looks or he is match rusty? That's why training without playing under Pep is the greatest achievement of a footballer. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:22pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
In what perspective will we judge them? In history of achievements, Fernando is better. He has achieved more. But if we compare by attributes, I prefer Ndidi.
So we can not say who is better like that. For now, Fernando is the better player. Remember, Ndidi has not played a game for Leicester City yet. He is a youngster building his career. Fair enough. I just don't want to hear that one player is better than another simply because he's training even when he's the bench. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:50pm On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
As in eh!
Ndidi is starting his career and I wish him the best. He really has the raw talent to become one of the best in the game. Something I can not tag Fernando. However, Fernando had a lovely career so far. Playing games and has a chance of achieving more.
Ndidi is still a youngster but with the potential of achieving great things. I never compared Fernando with Ndidi but I said, that is not the direction Fernando is facing.
I prefer Ndidi's talent. I prefer his style of play and I hope by 29, Ndidi achieves more than Fernando. So, who is better? Ndidi from a small club or Fernando, a bench warmer training under Pep? |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:08am On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
Fernando is not ready at this time to leave working with Guardiola to gain regular time at Leicester City. Ndidi is building his career. Mikel is a legend. Different scenarios and options. Mikel's option will determine how he wants to steer his career.
Mikel and Fernando's cases are different. Fernando sees games. He is in Manchester City Champions League team. Mikel is not even in the sub list of the EFL Cup. So to you, Fernando is better than Ndidi because he trains with Pep? Well-done! |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:59am On Dec 03, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: I do not understand your statement.
Fernando
Honours Club Porto UEFA Europa League: 2010–11 Primeira Liga: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13 Taça de Portugal: 2009–10, 2010–11 Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 UEFA Super Cup: Runner-up 2011 Taça da Liga: Runner-up 2009–10, 2012–13
Manchester City Football League Cup: 2015–16
Country South American Youth Championship: 2007
Fernando had a nice career so far. He is playing for Manchester City. What is he looking for at Leicester City? Na wa. You're probably not understanding me. Fernando is not a team regular at City and thus if he is a good player who has improved like you said, he would have suitors. Just look at Mikel. It is reported that 13 clubs are after him. Is Besiktas better than Chelsea?
Leicester is not playing well and need a defensive midfielder badly. If Fernando is that improved and has become a great player in training (even when we can't see that in the very few times he's played), why is Leicester not going for him? You can't keep a very improved player not playing for long. |