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OLAADEGBU:
Test yourself in this thread to see whether you've been sold the wrong 'Jesus'. ==> https://www.nairaland.com/2447483/test-true-jesus

Nd what differentiate you from the Jehovah Witnesses you are discriminating against , they say Jesus Is Micheal the arch - angel .. You OLAADEGBU also say Christ is Angel ( judges 13 ) . Brother u support them .


Infact let the few Jehovahs Witnesses I knew on this forum read our discussion and see if I Lied , cc : a guy called Canticles , JMAN05 , dolphinheart , truthislight , and a lady called Mznelly . Pls you guys should come and see if OLAADEGBU from his comments on judges 13 support you or not .

OLAADEGBU:
The mystery of godliness is hidden from those whose minds are already made up and do not want to be confronted with the knowledge of truth.

Brother , am happy that you reveal it to me that Christ is an ANGEL , as shown in judges 13;

Am also happy that scripture reveal to me that all ANGELS are Created ( ps 148:2,5)

Its very clear .

Tjayjosh:
Now if you believe you are spirit, soul and body. And this three part you function differently but are interrelated.

Point of correction: " WE ARE DUST" ps 103:14 .

What's that turmoil you feel inside of you sometimes? It simply tells you that there's a part of you that is yearning for interrelationship. Why do people dream when they sleep? Why do you get emotional sometimes? Why do you think and express words through your mind without opening your mouth, how were you able to do that? Does it Sound strange?

Point of correction: the HIGHLY INTELLIGENT HUMAN BRAIN is responsible for this .

If you cannot fathom this, how can you understand if i tell that when God pray, he's only relating to himself. Father, son and holy spirit agree as one.

So God was praying to himself ? He was only pretending to pray to a God in heaven ? .. Pls, who is God refering to as "MY God" ? Himself ?

Tjayjosh:
GOD IS ONE. [s]Let me ask you: Can water take 3 different forms? Yes. If water from a liquid state can become solid and vapour. Why can't God reveal himself in three distinct (not separate) but interrelated and completely unified persons: Father, son and Holy spirit. Do you know humans are triune: Spirit, soul and body. [/s]

Put all this grammar aside , if God is One , WHY IS GOD PRAYING TO ANOTHER GOD ?

OLAADEGBU:
Click on these threads for more understanding. ==>https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ

https://www.nairaland.com/1997801/what-hypostatic-union-how-jesus

Bro , you have prove it with scripture that Jesus is an ANGEL , yet scripture said all angels are Created , so since Scripture identify Christ is an Angel , He Is Created ! ( psalm 148: 2,5) .

OLAADEGBU:
Yes, and my question to you in turn is: Do you understand the article I posted?

I understand, your " Yes" answer make me understand that scripture refer to Christ as an ANGEL .

OLAADEGBU:
It is obvious if you study the Scriptures as today's devotional admonishes.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Brother , do you agree with the article that Christ is the wonderful ANGEL in judges 13 ?

Scream:
''I am that I am''
Overflowing confidence...

Thanks bro , is " I am that I am" the same person called Jesus ?

OLAADEGBU:
You need to learn what is called the hypostatic union. The phrase "angel of the LORD" is usually used as a theophany, that is, God Himself in the person of the pre-incarnate Christ revealing Himself in this status. Read and study the article below that addresses who Samson's parents saw and I pray that the Lord will open the eyes of your heart so that He can be revealed to you.

So you agree with the article that the wonderful ANGEL in judges 13 is Christ Jesus ?

Blossom023:
Work.. By answering your questions.. Dat would be total waste of time. Mind you, I don't have three Gods.. Don't say that thing outside. If you read my post well,u will understand.. But no, u just pick one thing ND rush to reply me.

Okay, who is God ?

Blossom023:
Please tell me , wer I said so.

You have read the bible , abi? Then Answer my question : who exactly is God praying to ? Anoda GOD

Blossom023:
Anytime you see people against one thing and always trying to cover, hide or derail.. Know that that thing is true. Like I said, read a bible and stop making fun.. But no u wont.. Cos u just want to derail the thread.how pathetic.

Since you have read the bible , tell me : WHO IS GOD PRAYING TO ?

Blossom023:
Anytime you see people against one thing and always trying to cover, hide or derail.. Know that that thing is true. Like I said, read a bible and stop making fun.. But no u wont.. Cos u just want to derail the thread.how pathetic.

You who have read the bible , tell me : WHO IS GOD PRAYING TO ? , I will not be suprised if u cant answer the question coz here is your statement " God is in THREE " polytheism , 3 Gods .
! You still have alot of work to do .

sportsmaster:
maybe you should use GOOGLE.

*sighs* , am suprise at this response from someone I thought is spirit - filled , anyway am wrong .

sportsmaster:
maybe you should use GOOGLE.

*sighs* , am suprise at this response from someone I though is spirit - filled , anyway am wrong .

Do u understand what you wrote ?

Blossom023:
Jesus came as a full fleshed being. He came as we are. With humility, so the same way they in those times prayed to their gods he showed them that him too prays to his father.

We are not GOD , if jesus came as We are . Then your statement sugest he is NOT God , aftrall he came like we are .

He came not for people to fear him but for him to relate with us as flesh. God is in three.

Polytheist @bold !

God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit. Jesus came as the son.

Jesus came as God , abi . Who then is God praying to ? Another God the Father . A God prays while another God listens .


Polytheism in action .

OLAADEGBU:
God is not an angel. This 'angel' of the LORD was actually a theophany, the pre-incarnate Christ. Read up on other instances where the pre-incarnate Christ visited planet earth before He took up human flesh Genesis 32:24; Judges 6:22; 13:18

Brother, with your statement @bold . Dont u know you just proof that Christ is an Angel !

Our Lord Jesus Christ prayed to the Father in His humanity.  Since Christ came as a man, and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to and adore God, it was perfectly proper for Jesus to address the Father in prayer.  Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew and as our High Priest.

"in all things He had to be made like His brethren" (Hebrews 2:7).

Therefore, Jesus could pray to the Father and this in no way detracts from His intrinsic deity.

so, God pray to another God the father ?

Tjayjosh:
He prayed because as Son he took on himself the form of man and in taking
on the form of man he
took on himself a human nature (not a fallen nature) please read (Phil 2:5-. In taking on this nature. He could hunger, thirst, become tired could cry, and could even die. But one of the principle characteristics of the
human nature is that it must pray. There is
something within all men that cries out for them to pray whether they do or not. So Christ in his humanity prayed unto the eternal spirit. Now even as God took these human characteristics on himself when he came into this
world, even so He laid
them aside in His
resurrection, and we no longer know him after the flesh (2co 5:16) Paul said we have known
Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth now we know him no more. After His
resurrection we know

But you didnt answer the question , again: God prayed, isnt it ? Who exactly Is God praying to ?

OLAADEGBU:
And Samson's parents recognised him to be God (Judges 13:22).

So , God is an ANGEL ?

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (1 Timothy 3:16).

Jesus is God in human form. He is the God/Man who has both the divine and human nature. Jesus, in His human nature prayed to the Father. It remains a mystery until God opens the eyes of your understanding.

Brother , Jesus Is God , isnt it ? If so, pls answer my question: Who is God praying to ?

OLAADEGBU:
The word "I AM" is a divine name of God. Angels do not bear that Name don't be deceived.

Brother , an angel describe himself as " I Am" ( judges 13:11) , pls check the verse bro .

Jesus is Yahweh. He is the Great "I AM", the Eternal One who revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush (Ex.3:14).

Brother , this means its the eternal one that come down , then who is God Praying to ? another God ?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus being the Second Person in the Godhead bears the names of God. Jesus implicitly ascribed the name Yahweh to Himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews.

"Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the passage above, deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham, whom the Jews venerated, with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God.

Brother , he didnt say i am yahweh in that passage, he only said " I Am" even angels use the term " I Am" now

you didnt answer my question : please , is Yahweh the same person called Jesus ? Or they are different ?

Tjayjosh:
God did not send another god to die for you. Jesus, as God incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No one forced Him. He laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” ( John 10:18)

Since God himself come down , who is God praying to ? another God ?

OLAADEGBU:
Yes. Yahweh is the short version of "I AM THAT I AM" which means eternal existence and in simple terms I'll say, "Always".

Okay, Is Yahweh the same person called Jesus Or They are different ?

sportsmaster:
God,the Almighty God.

Who is the Almighty God ? Whats his name ?

Tjayjosh:
God did not send another god to die for you. Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18)

Oh! Since God himself came down , who is God praying to ? another God ?

OLAADEGBU:
He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is the God of Israel.

brother, Is he the same person called Yahweh ?

OLAADEGBU:
Top of the morning sir. God is the infinite uncreated Creator of heaven and earth.

Thanks my brother , but remember that other religions also refer to God as the creator of heaven and earth e.g muslims say Allah , so how do we distinct our God from this other gods ? Did he have A NAME thats unique to him alone ?

starlingslimnet:
Amen . . .God help his Church.... God help us all

Pls , who is the God of we christians ?

@ OLAADEGBU , morning bro ; pls who is God ?

Happiness87:
shut up, is it a court that stood up to greet him when he enters that will probe him justly.

Tinubu made most of them, some are on his payroll.

Does it mean he's a saint Because his case was struck out.

pray your relations who are milking this country with paper and ink are not caught.

I pray this is also enforced at state level

Hmm , at state level , ... But it pains me that I dont see it happening . Anyway I pray its implemented in the states .

Tjayjosh:
God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
Sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law. Unlike
the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’
once-for-all-time sacrifice was
Followed by His resurrection. He
laid down His life and took it up
again, thereby providing eternal
life for all who would ever believe
in Him and accept His sacrifice
for their sins. He did this out of
love for the Father and for all
those the Father has given Him
( John 6:37–40). I explained this on the post above.

@ the bold , God sacrifice himself to God ? God sacrifice himself to another God ? 2 Gods !!! ... Polytheists

Tjayjosh:
Though christ died to redeem you from sin, you are not saved authomatically until you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). People who'd go to hell do so because they rejected God's love and his provision for salvation.

What Do u mean at bolded , God raise God from the dead ? Do we have two Gods ?