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Great0:
If you give birth to another being...Its not you. God and Jesus are one....you cant understand it cox your a natural man.
This also where you all misunderstand it.
He has two nature; God and man(body)
He was brought forth as flesh(created in our nature)...like we human. But His spirit is the word(The real personality)....who created all things and himself is not created.

Who is God ? Whats his Name ?

nynbrada:
Well, i just want to point out an error in the bible verse you cited above; refering to Jesus as a servant of God in Acts 3:13. It actually refered to Jesus as the son of God and not servant.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his SON Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


I hope correction has been taken.


NOTE: I'm not averse to the idea of Jesus being designated as a servant of God. As the old testament is replete with scripture designating him as such.

Shallom. [/b]

Have you study the greek word "pais" in Act 3:13 before saying servant is error ? pais: it means " a male CHILD, boy (b) a servant of God (c) a female CHILD, girl"

So where did your bible version see "SON" thats inserted?

According to the greek word 'pais',its either Jesus is a CHILD or Servant , wich?

Maamin:
John 17:3 "3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Shema O yitsrael Adonai Elohinu Adonai ehad Devarim 6:4

Hear O! Israel the lord our God the lord is one. Deu.6:4

Mark 12:29 "29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord



Finally this one God is no other but Yahweh.

Good.

Maamin:
..I have never considered the Father and the son being equal either. The scripture made this clear in 1 Cor.15:24-28

"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

I can see that you might need to go study on the use of the word 'God' its a generic title, any supreme being can assume, we worship one God ok! He is all in all..just like the last verse explained

Who is the one God ?

Maamin:
Take one last important NOTE: scripture also made it clear that Jesus is the Son Of God..(1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:9-12, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:20, )

That "Jesus is the Son of God" is littered in the whole scripture but am only taken from first John alone so it can be easy for you to navigate.

Good , do you now agree that Jesus is under the authority of His God and Father , Almighty Yahweh ?

nynbrada:
Hahahaaa!!! Slow down love. Seems you will never cease to amaze me with your extravagance of folly.

What exactly is your problem? Is it that you are suffering from chronic "low comprehension"? Don't mean to sound insulting but the kind of reasoning you come up with whenever you quote the bible is rather just too embarrassing.

Ok, let even analyze the portion of scripture you quoted to infer that the bible was not talking about Jesus.

[b]well reading Rev 1:4 from face value, it doesn't give an indepth explanation on the person being described, and that was why i gave u a home work to go and study Rev 1-3. If you had done that maybe you would have been able to save yourself from this public ridicule you are exposing your self to.

If i may ask who exactly is this personage that is being described as who is, and who was and who is to come?....u didn't even make make any bone to let us into who this person is. Cos you certainly don't know and all u've been doing is simply splitting hairs.

Well i'm going to explain this to u for the umpteenth and last time. Now for us to have a good understanding let start by reading from:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. Saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Vs 10 Iwas in the spirit on the lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.
Vs 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...
Vs 12 And i turned to see d voice that spake with me. And being turned, i saw 7 golden candle sticks;
Vs 13 And in the midst of d 7 candle stick one like the son of man, clothed with a garment down to d foot, and girt about d paps with a golden girdle.
Vs 14 His head and hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Vs 15 And hid feet like unyo fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace and his voice as d sound of many waters.
Vs 16 And he had in his right hand 7 stars; and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as d sun shineth in his strenght.
Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and last.

Now if i may ask do u agree that td person who John saw and heard speaking to him from vs 11-17 is Jesus? Also do u notice what Jesus said toJohn in vs 17...I am the first and last does that ring a bell to you with d previous vs of 8 I am Alpha(the first) and Omega(the last), the beginning and the ending. And vs 11 brings the two together....Saying I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...

Moreso, Rev 1:18 may also help to explain what d statement "who is, who was and who is to come means and who it is refering to..
Vs 18 I am he that liveth(who is),and was dead(who was);and behold, I am alive for evermore, amen.(who is to come).
Does this not buttress d fact that Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, d beginning and the end, saith d Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come d Almighty.
Vs 4...and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; is refering to Jesus Christ.[/b]
Concerning d above statement, a careful study will also show that this description is being attributed to Christ.

Now run with me to Rev 3:1 And unto d angel of d church in Sardis write; These thing saith he that hath d 7 spirit of God... [b] Although, whenever d 7 Spirit of God is refered in d bible, it is symbolic of d Holy Spirit in its fullness.


But d statement in Rev 1:4 of greetings coming from d 7 Spirit which are before his throne is actually refering to Jesus as i have shown i Rev 3:1, that he is the one having the 7 Spirit of God.And more importantly Rev 5:6

And i beheld, and lo, on the midst of the thone, and of the four beast, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the 7 Spirit of God sent forth into all the earth. Now there is no gain saying the fact that this scripture is refering to Jesus as the one having the 7 Spirit of God ... In a nutshell the 7 Spirit of Rev 1:4 is refering to Jesus.



Jozzy4, next time do ur home work well b/4 coming 2 d public 2 let fly another rasping poor comprehension disorder dat is fast becoming ur signature trait here on nairaland.[/b]

Am laughing @ bold , 7 spirt refers to Jesus ( and yet oooooo everytime 7 spirit is mentioned , it refers to holyspirit abi ? Lol See confusion


REV 1:4,5 clearly diffrentiate the one who is , who was and who is to come Separately from seven spirit (holyspirit) , and from Jesus . Clear


You should have asked : WHO is been reffered to as "him who is , who was and who is to come, the Almighty" ? ANSWER : God ALMIGHTY , God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob * Yahweh* ( Exodus 6:3; Genesis 17:1 )


NOTE : scripture made it clear that Jesus IS A SERVANT of the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ( Act 3:13)

tyuhd:
Are u saying Hell doesn't exist or it doesn't last eternally,honestly i don't understand ur stance?

^
Did Adam went to hell ?

HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL

@ Tjayjosh

Bad market , you went and do copy and paste from http://www.godlife.com/en/devotional/god-is-beyond-our-understanding . , you are replying me with a copy and paste .


why wont you run to google and copy/paste aftrall uv confess you dont understand the God u worship : greatest height of confusion .

nonsense

@ Tjayjosh

Illustration: When you dont understand Calculus , it simply means you dont know it !

Jesus said " WE (including him) worship what we know" Joh 4:22

But you said : we worship what "we dont fully understand " , in other words " you worship what you dont know ." .

At this point , I drop my pen . Its clear you guyz and Jesus dont have anything in common .

Sassybae:
He goats fall in love?

I dey tell you , things are happening . Imagine he goat falling in love

Gombs:
John 10:30-33King James Version (KJV)

30 [size=18pt]I and my Father are one.[/size]

he didnt say ' I and my father are ONE GOD'


" that they may all be one just as we are one" , are we God , or a part of trinity ?

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; [size=18pt]and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[/size]

Help your ignorance

Just Imagine who made this statement ? The jews

then show me where Jesus claim to be God ?

Tjayjosh:
The Muslim and
Christian views of God have some
similarities. Christians believe in
one eternal God Who created the
universe, and Muslims apply
these attributes to Allah. Both
view God as all-powerful, all-
knowing, and all-present.
A vital difference between the
Islamic and Christian views of
God is the biblical concept of the
Trinity. In the Bible, God has
revealed Himself as one God in
three Persons: God the Father,
God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit. While each Person of the
Trinity is fully God, God is not
three gods but three in one.
God’s Son came in the form of
man, a truth called the
incarnation ( Luke 1:30-35; John
1:14; Colossians 2:9; 1 John
4:1-3).

sorry man, you didnt answer the question.
^^
As a jew , did jesus worship a triune God?


Show us the bible verse that said God is three in one God ?

@ Tjayjosh

You have started this nonsense again .

You said " the God concept of islam and judaism (which Jesus Practice ) denies the triune nature of God" .

Good ! Why do u say God is triune (3) , whereas Jesus worship Only One God ? Mark 12:29,30 , emphasis on verse 32

winner01:
"you and your father are one"...."you and your father are both human".......what else do you want me to say this man...i con tire for yhu o.

Lols , at the bolded statement . and Both refers to two humans ,

Your point now is that when Jesus said : I and my father are one , he meant that both are God sorry man, BOTH refer to two Gods . Just declare yourself polytheist

Then am sure the Gods are getting plenty

" that they may all be one JUST AS we are one " john 17:22 , we are one just as he is one with his father . And From Ur analogy their oneness means they are God , Lol , we are Gods TOO . Emphasis on " just as" .

So if we add everyone thats includeded in john 17:22 , how many GODS have we count now ?

winner01:
1 John 5: 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Lols , check what you quote

>> first and foremost . " God" did not appear at this verse

>> this verse DID NOT SAY THEY ARE ONE GOD ? DID IT ? Open your eyes , DO U SEE " ONE GOD" IN THAT VERSE ? Chai !


>> it never said " these three are ONE GOD!"

automatic disqualification.

>> if u say their been one = God , then we are all Gods , scripture says " that they may ALL be one JUST AS we are one" john 17:22 ,
, am sure u could discern the meaning of " JUST AS".

>> again , the verse never ever said they are ONE GOD .








# its interesting to know that the oldest greek manuscript do not contain this verse#

The question still stand , show me the verse that said God = three persons ?

winner01:
One God(three persons) .....How harder dyu want to make this to be

Show me the bible verse that said : " One God (three persons)" ?

Guy , you are complicating issues for youself .

winner01:
God in three persons

Show me the bible verse that said God is in three persons ?

.....God the Son calles upon His Father....

God the son call upon another God the father , shey ? Just declare urself polythiest

they exist as one in purpose and essence.

Kindly explain to me "how they exist as one in purpose and essence " ?

The same way your spirit and soul exist with your body na, ....

Whats this ? Tell me

What is soul ? What is spirit ? What is body ?

winner01:
until you are ready to put ignorance aside, you wont stop trying to quantify your Creator with yiur created instincts.

Do you agree with Ebuka that you have two Gods ? Emphasis on "Both"

winner01:
The Father, the Word ( Son who came in the flesh) and the Spirit.....
Now you have a flesh (body), a soul and a spirit....that is your make up...
dunce you were created in the image and likeness of God......

You didnt answer the question.

God himself has come down to earth , so who exactly is God still calling Father since he has come down? ; Another God ?

winner01:
its only a fool that will try to use his reasoning and logic to quantify his Creator.

But Who is God calling Father ? Another God ?

winner01:
They just cant comprehend because they have clinged soo tightly to their opinion that it has become a belief......unfortunately they dont see it...

All this insult wont solve anything . Your friend Ebuka say u gat two Gods , " both are supreme" , emphasis on " both" , Do u agree with him ?

KingEbukasBlog:
you are indeed a child

[size=25]" Both" [/size] Gods , chai !

KingEbukasBlog:
this boy I thought you were willing to learn . Being witty here wont help your cause or else you'd be played in this game big time big time ...

You wrote nonsense just to comment abi ?

Mr "BOTH " , arent you ashame of youself that you worship TWO SUPREME BEINGS ? Thats polytheism .

KingEbukasBlog:
this boy I thought you were willing to learn . Being witty here wont help your cause or else you'd be played in this game big time big time ...

Mr "BOTH Gods" , arent you ashame of youself that you worship TWO SUPREME BEINGS ? Thats polytheism .

jcross19:
you may be able to see holy ghost or spirit be it good or bad but they are not living being that's why they called them spirit .

Point of correction : Brother , the bolded statement is an error . God is a LIVING being. ( Deu 5:26)

Great0:
Another confuse fellow. God is one. Jesus is the word and knowledge of God....john1:1.
Eg your unborn son is a germ in you, when giving at birth, grow and mature, he has all qualities like you no exception.
In this matter now, cant you say that i have giving birth to myself ......like father like son.
Same whith christ.... I and my Father are one.
Dont be confuse

Lol , lol , lol , loooooolss . , you are not intelligent , you dont give birth to yourself , you give birth to another different being . How can you be so silly to make that statement @bold


Since Jesus is given birth to , do you now agree that Jesus is a product of creation ? . Uhm proverb 8:24.

nynbrada:
No, it is not refering to Jesus. It is actually mohammed that it is refering to.

I guess he(mohammed) is the one which is, which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now dear can you solve the riddle i just gave you?....need a little expo?---will help you out.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and last:

Vs 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, i am alive for evermore, Amen.

Well since i'm not done with you yet, i'm going to give a home work so that we can test how fast you are on the up take.

Now go and study Revelation chapter 1-3, then when you are done, you come back and tell me who is indoctrinated and spiritually blind and ignorant.

Cheers!!

Next time , Keep your arrogance in your pocket . The bible clearly differentiate the one who is and who was and who is to come separately from Jesus

Revelation 1:4–5

4John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and
who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our
Sins by his blood


Cant you see the clear difference between the one who is , who was , and who is to come SEPARATED from the seven spirits , AND SEPARATED from Jesus himself ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus said in John 10:30

So they are one -

One in what sense ?

Jesus is the Supreme Being ,

Supreme being 1

Jehovah is the Supreme Being .

Supreme Being 2

Two supreme beings , worse !

Both have equal power and seen as One .

" Both" indeed . Both refers to TWO , SO u serve two supreme beings , Two Gods indeed


Extremely funny

KingEbukasBlog:
Its obvious that you dont understand what I have been writing .

Matthew 7:7



Have you asked , sought and knocked ? Your heart is full of pride and you have failed to acknowledged God and that's why he has given you a debased mind . He has hardened your heart and is giving you reasons to see the illogicality in His existence .

Romans 1:27-29 :


Like I said earlier , because you have chosen not to acknowledge Him , you are being used in fulfillment of the last days prophecies .

Pure nonsense , it is written in the bible that those that belive will pick up serpents , Yes Or No ?

dorox:
This is a big fat lie and you know it. Dishonesty is not a christian virtue.

Dont mind those ones , the fact is that most these so - called miracles are staged ; and the actors are well trained too .

Apostle peter raise a fellow christian thabita from the dead ; am wondering why they cant make this popularly called gospel musician named " Ayefele" stand up once again , if indeed they are truly sent ! . Dark world

krattoss:
I think the bible has done much psychological trauma to our people than any other novel or book written. With so many incosistences

Bro kratoss , the bible didnt do any harm . The harm is the modern day p..astors and preacher.s . How do u think the world will be if the laws of the bible is followed by everyone ? If so, then you wont panic when u forget ur phone in the taxi coz everyone knew the law says " dont steal" , then no man will seduce your wife since they know the law says " adultery is bad"

Thats just the fact .