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gsandakey: Typical Ijebu Man.. Lols.. But come to think of it, I reason in this direction at times too.

I think in this direction always.

Pastor Kun: You are the one that is a ignorant dunce, the camp facility gets over strecthed only during their convention and that's the reason they claim to need a new facility. During normal monthly camp activities, it doesn't even get filled up.

Again, you still demonstrated your stupidity, goofball.

What about the Holy Ghost Congress.

nijanigga: Any Nigerian billionaire is a thief, simple.

I marvel at your level of reasoning.

So what should be the networth of a true Nigerian christian?.

For me, Any constume she wears must reveal her cleavage (I trust my wife to have big boobs like 38kkk). With the cleavage exposed, I'm sure to run mad.

itoese: Even if Pst E. A Adeboye commits all the money in RCCG to feed the hungry, it will not be enough. There will always be poor among us, even in Bill Gates country. Poverty eradication is not what one rich individual or organization can eradicate. We all can do something to help. Follow Jesus teaching: He who has should share with those who have not. God bless Nigeria.

In fact if all the money in the world were pumped into Nigeria, I can authoritatively tell you that after a year, the number of poor people will go back to how it was. The poverty mindset of most Nigerians is alarming and mind blowing.

kachy: In the old testament, God actually dwelt in the temples that was a part called the holy of holies. That was why Solomon built the magnificent temple for God. But in the new testament, things changed because of the coming of Christ, and the issue of temple building was abandoned. I still wonder who the buildings are being constructed for these days. Anyway, its left for God to judge.

So christians are suppose to meet under iroko trees or bamboo carved hut, mtchew.

mirak01: Will u pls b civilize 4 once,4 baba tellin d donors of 200million above 2 see d sec is d normal and ideal tin,who else will he tell u 2 see.nt dat odas cant see G.O sec bt ds is just a project on ground and he needs d sec 2 take proper documentation,so dat he can № where he is going 2

Besides, the funds can also be easily traced.

yabadabado: GOD KNOWS I 'WILL' GIVE THAT MAN MY 1BILLION WHEN AM CAPABLE. HIS DRESS SENSE IS SIMPLE. NO FLAUNTING. AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO INVEST THAN THROUGH HEAVEN POPULATING VALUE ADDING PROCESS.

Amen. Amen. Amen. I'm sure as far as God is concerned this is done.

Gombs: Meaning God has no billionaire in Nigeria?

Apparently, you know why we have a lot of wretched christians in the world.

They believe only thieves are wealthy. The implication of that is just that they will never be rich since they can't steal. In there thinking, wealth has been completely shut out.

frosbel: What a good Christian worthy of emulation. SMH.

No wonder the whole place is a mess.

Like seriously, are you trying to deny that his stupidity wasn't glaring, how can a right thinking person say that the camp ground is only used for convention because he wants to justify his ignorance?.

frosbel: and ?

Yet, they take money from the poor to build schools, universities and buy Jets


Hypocrites !!!

The question should have been this?.

Did any of the Mog made it compulsory for the members to donate?.

Even if the MOg's are exploiting their gullibility, then let the aggrieved members cry out or better still sensitize them rather than attack the Mog.

idnoble135: ^
I dont want to attack his person. I dont do it. But if he truly is a pastor, he needs to learn how to talk. He does have to use crude words to make his points clear.

I have come to realise that he must be wretched (atleast is thinking is like that of a poor man). When it comes to issue of money especially when we are talking about millions and billions of dollars he seems to have a big issue with it. He seems to think it's demonic to be rich and higly spiritual to be poor.

frosbel: I work with my hands, while your pastors steal money from the needy to fulfil lives of luxury and opulence , that's the difference.

Your MOG should go and get real Jobs.

Do you know the men of God you are talking about are also members of board of directors of some companies (not just one company).

Pastor Kun: Olodo trust you to come out and defend all the wrong practises going on in churches. If they were just planning an expansion the outrage won't be this much rather they are planning to build a brand new auditorium at a ridiculous cost so that they can accommodate more people in their annual convention. A once a year unnecessary activity

Your stupidity is quite alarming. So the camp ground is used for only convention and it's is used onece in a year.

Smh at your ignorance.

spaq: n u jst wasted anoda 5mins typing rubbish... *long hiss*

Your stupidity is mind blowing.

Pastor Kun: The ignorance being displayed on this thread is mind boggling.

Like seriously, who is the ignorant one?.

The one who believes it's sinful to be rich or the one who believes otherwise.

I siddon dey look some peoples stupidity.

I believe idnoble135 has addressed the Job part.

On Pharaoh, it's worthy of note that before the first few plagues, Pharaoh hardened his own heart against letting the Israelites go. (Exodus 7:13, 22; 8:19, 15, 32). So God just assisted him in the latter part because he wanted to deal with him for his sins. Infact there is a principle in Torah that states that the way in which a person desires to go, he will be helped along that way by God.

I'm happy that you have been reading your bible (atleast this thread suggests that).

Actually, Testament means covenant, hence it's only logical that the operation of God will be different when considering the two dispensations (two different covenant).

Besides the old testament was made up of 5 dispensations and God judged based on the requirements of each dispensations. Though the bulk of the OT had to do with the mosaic law which embodies the ten commandments and the 613 moral and ceremonial laws contained in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

1. The Age of Innocence ( Man lacked the knowledge of good and evil until they ate the forbidden fruit)
2. The Age of Conscience (after the fall, man had conscience to decipher what was good and evil and he was jugded based on that)
3. The Age of Human Government (after the flood, Noah and his family were given the responsibility of governing the earth)
4. The Age of Promise ( God called Abraham and made some covenants with him which had nothing to do with Abrahams actions, God was just gracious and showed his unmerited favor to his servant)
5. The Mosaic Law

The new testament is that of GRACE. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross introduced a dispensation of unmerited favor, called grace. Instead of requiring man to live righteously by keeping the law,the righteousness of another, is imputed to undeserving men and women. Hence God judges us based on the finished work of Christ on the cross, so it's not much of a function of what we do, but what was done, hence God seems to be more patient and loving.

So God didn't change, He is the same God, just that He operated under different scenarios.

This is plagiarism, you should have quoted your source.

naijadeyhia: [b]CATHOLIC DOCTRINES ABOUT MARY COMPARED WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

My sources for this section are the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which has numbered paragraphs. For the sake of simplicity and brevity, I will just say Catechism plus the number of the paragraph(s). For example, “Catechism 411, 493” means “Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs numbered 411 and 493."

For each doctrinal category, I will indicate the Catholic doctrine, followed by the appropriate references from the Catechism. I will follow this with quotations from the Bible which relate to the doctrine. For the sake of clarity, I will emphasize some portions of Biblical quotations by using boldface type. The last book in the Bible is called “The Book of Revelation” in Protestant Bibles and “The Apocalypse” in Catholic Bibles. I will refer to it as “Revelation."

IMMACULATE CONCEPTION -- Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception. (Catechism 490-492).

In Luke 1:46-47, Mary said: “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." Mary knew that she needed a savior.
The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was first introduced by a heretic (a man whose teachings were officially declared to be contrary to Church doctrine). For centuries this doctrine was unanimously rejected by popes, Fathers and theologians of the Catholic Church. [13]

ALL HOLY - Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life. (Catechism 411, 493)

Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Revelation 15:4 says, “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy." Romans 3:10 says, “There is none righteous, no, not one."
Jesus is the only person who is referred to in Scripture as sinless. Hebrews 4:15 says, “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” 2 Corinthians 5:21 says, “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 1 Peter 2:22 says, "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."

In contrast, Mary said that God is her Savior. (Luke 1:47) If God was her Savior, then Mary was not sinless. Sinless people do not need a Savior.
In the Book of Revelation, when they were searching for someone who was worthy to break the seals and open the scroll, the only person who was found to be worthy was Jesus. Nobody else in Heaven or on earth (including Mary) was worthy to open the scroll or even look inside it. (Revelation 5:1-5)

PERPETUAL VIRGINITY - Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Christ. (Catechism 496-511)

Matthew 1:24-25 says, “Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.” “Till” (until) means that after that point, Joseph did “know” (have sexual relations with) Mary. (See Genesis 4:1 where Adam “knew” Eve and she conceived and had a son.)
Jesus had brothers and sisters. The Bible even tells us their names. Matthew 13:54-56 says,

“And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hatch this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?”
Other Scripture verses which specifically refer to Jesus’ brothers are: Matthew 12:46; John 2:12; John 7:3; Acts 1:14; and Galatians 1:19.

Catholics are taught that “brothers” and “sisters” were general terms that really could refer to any kind of kinsman, including cousins. This is true in the Hebrew language. However, the New Testament is written in Greek, which is an extremely precise language. It makes a clear distinction between the words used to describe family relationships. There is a Greek word which refers to people who are relatives but not of the immediate family, such as aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces and cousins. There are other Greek words which refer specifically to a person’s brother or sister within a family. [14]

MOTHER OF GOD - Because she is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. (Catechism 963, 971, 2677).

The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God. According to the Bible, the world was created through Jesus. This was long before Mary was born. Hebrews 1:1-2 says,

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."
Colossians 1:16-17 says,

“For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things [including Mary] were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things [including Mary] , and by him all things consist."
John 8:58 says, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus existed before Abraham was born. That means that He also existed before Mary was born. In John 17:5, Jesus says, “And now O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” So Jesus existed even before the world began. Jesus came first - not Mary.

MOTHER OF THE CHURCH - Mary is the Mother of the Church. (Catechism 963, 975).

Acts 1:13-14 gives a picture of a group of people praying together. Mary is mentioned as one of them, but nothing indicates any special prominence.

“And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Phillip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.”
Mary was probably in the Upper Room when the tongues of fire fell upon the 120 disciples. However, she is never mentioned again in the Book of Acts, which is our only historical record of how the Church was born. She is also not specifically identified in the epistles. Paul did send greetings to “Mary”, but that was a common name. (In the Gospels and in the Book of Acts, she is referred to as “Mary the mother of Jesus” to distinguish her from other women named Mary.)

It is notable that John, who took Mary into his home after Jesus was crucified, does not mention her in his epistles, and he only mentions her on two occasions in his Gospel (the wedding at Cana and the crucifixion of Jesus). John mentions Mary Magdalene more than he mentions Jesus' mother.

ASSUMPTION - At the end of her life, Mary was taken up (“assumed”) body and soul into Heaven. (Catechism 966, 974)

There is no biblical reference to the assumption of Mary. The Gospel of John was written around 90 A.D., which is more than 100 years after Mary was born. (Surely Mary was more than ten years old when Jesus was conceived.) If Mary had been supernaturally assumed into Heaven, wouldn’t John (the disciple that Mary lived with) have mentioned it? When Enoch and Elijah were taken up to Heaven, the Bible recorded it. With Elijah it was recorded in some detail. (See Genesis 6:24 and 2 Kings 2:1‑18.)

The Assumption of Mary was officially declared to be a dogma of the Roman Catholic faith in 1950. This means that every Roman Catholic is required to believe this doctrine without questioning it. However, as we will see, the teaching of the Assumption originated with heretical writings which were officially condemned by the early Church.

In 495 A.D., Pope Gelasius issued a decree which rejected this teaching as heresy and its proponents as heretics. In the sixth century, Pope Hormisdas also condemned as heretics those authors who taught the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary. The early Church clearly considered the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary to be a heresy worthy of condemnation. Here we have “infallible” popes declaring something to be a heresy. Then in 1950, Pope Pius XII, another “infallible” pope, declared it to be official Roman Catholic doctrine. [15]

CO-MEDIATOR - Mary is the Co-Mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. (Catechism 968-970, 2677)

There is only one mediator and that is Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 says, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” Hebrews 7:25 says,Wherefore he [Jesus] is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.” Ephesians 3:12 says, “In whom [Jesus} we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.”
If Jesus is constantly interceding for us and He is able to save us “to the uttermost,” (utterly, completely) then He doesn’t need Mary’s help. If we can approach God with “boldness” and “confidence” because of our faith in Jesus, then we don't need Mary’s help either.

QUEEN OF HEAVEN - God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and earth. (Catechism 966) She is to be praised with special devotion. (Catechism 971, 2675)

Psalm 148:13 says, “Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.” This makes it quite clear that only God’s name (not Mary’s) is to be exalted. (In Catholic Bibles the numbering of the chapters and verses of some of the Psalms is slightly different.)
When people tried to give Mary special honor and pre-eminence because she was His mother, Jesus corrected them.

“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” (Luke 11:27-28)
In chapters four and five of the Book of Revelation, we are given a quite detailed picture of Heaven. God is seated on the throne, surrounded by 24 elders and four living creatures. The Lamb (Jesus) is standing in the center of the throne. Thousands upon thousands of angels circle the throne, singing God's praises. And Mary is not in the picture at all.[/b][/b]

Joshuaforever: Most people don't know the scriptures. The bible says that He(Jesus) was made poor so that through his poverty, we might be made rich. When worldly people(sinners) get rich, no one complains but when men of God get rich people are upset. The bible says it is God that gives power to get wealth.

What's the essence of being wealthy spiritualy if you can't translate into physical cash and material wealth.

If it's a sin for a pastor who accesses spiritual wealth more than some of his congregation to be rich, then it's safe to assume that God's plan for all christian is to be poor.

potentpraise: The list is not complete: Where is Joel Osteen

"Joel Osteen was born in Texas and has an estimated net worth of $40 million dollars. A pastor, author, and televangelist, Joel Osteen is the pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. He took over his father's role as a pastor and televangelist, despite having very little formal religious training, in 1999. Since then, the Lakewood Church broadcast has grown exponentially and can be seen in 100 different countries."

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/joel-osteen-net-worth/

That's just to show you that the list was cooked up.

m.k.o2005:
Did the scripture says it's not possible ? It only said it is difficult but with God all things are possible ! Don't be surprise that by the time u die wretched (not ur potion though)you will meet these men there in heaven becos i pray u make it to heaven !
God help us

I will only have been suprised if they weren't rich.

Even if you explain to them, they won't understand, We speak wisdom among those that are matured, yet not the wisdom of this age. Materialism has been preached to most of this fellows in a faulty way and that's why most will remain poor. There faith can't grasp what God has in stock for them even if God decides to bless them.

nedu2000: I see this as a very unfortunate development for 'men of God' who should be more concerned with issues of spirituality and not material possessions. Such acquisition of wealth is baffling whereby a new testament reading says "its easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"

What's your definition of materialism?.

Finally I popped the question,but the reply I heard was strength draining,energy zapping and waist breaking ,she told me shes with someone else

I will say you should take her word for what she said.

You can start fasting that her bf broke up with her though, she seems attracted to you, but she will likely not ditch her bf for you.

So, get busy with other things, I'll advise you remain friends with her.

Petition EFCC.

How old is the guy?

Wizee: These is the last week, so she can't be up for eviction!!

Oh I see.

Afro connect: A lunatic psyco on the loose,you need to be tamed.
You no get money to pay woman Bleep-or you are just crazy?

What's this one saying?.

Skillbobralph: "His own his worse" Yoruba blood

Kairoseki77: His name is Godswill, so it might be Akpabio's cousin.

Ethnic bigots on the loose.

rickt: Her monthly flow

If you can't abide with Ogugua's post.

Just get a prostitute for that night or use your hand and vaseline.

Yungwizzzy: I'm happy you cited the problem of the country and not incompetent engineers to construct similar innovation. but how can we make headway when all we(the youth) do is wake every morning and post trash on the internet without any meaningful contribution to savage the problems. if we really wake up and revolutionise against corrupt leaders and leave sentiment and partisan politics for the old folks maybe things will change.
we have great minds in this country, I'm amazed when I see Nigerians come out tops in top foreign universities and yet we are least developed.

all I'm saying is that the youths are the change we need

I agree