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mathskill: Who ever thought imprisoned OBJ and Mandela will ever be presidents in thier life.Who ever thought a black american president in our present time.The issue of who holds power is left to GOd and God alone.The joke is on you.

ucforu: thanks for the link, but how do i find the moderators?

am new here

sexkillz: [color=#000030]I just look at the motive in bringing it. That she thought of giving me something in the first place is ok for me. And as for her using it, what makes her happy, makes me happy, so no qualms. . .
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ibrutex: [size=18pt]can anyone give me a case or scenario where any muslim deliberately destoys the Bible or abuse Jesus Christ [/size]

kpozite: what you should do? Volunteer to shot by a Firing squad

rodeo0070: Exactly what I said too, Bro. But I need your better understanding of the statement.

frosbel: How can I be a cultist when I do not belong to a CULT !!

frosbel: sorry I cannot reveal the name or location !

Idowuogbo: Excuse me! So abokis or ndigbos don't do juju? Mstewwww....

djeezy: but can it be only juju ritual? I was wondering if normal people sometimes rape these mad women.

frosbel: a non-denominational fellowship

djeezy: [size=14pt] is it for some kind of occultic ritual[/size]?

ifyalways: Housewife !!!

What else can a woman do but to cook, clean , nyash and born pikin?

Rev. 5:8-14
...Verse 8 says speaks of the "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." Verses 9-10 speak of a new song sung in heaven. Verse 11 speaks of those around the throne of God and verse 12 says that they were saying "Worthy is the Lamb..." Verse 13 mentions every created thing in heaven and earth saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

I have no problem with those in heaven hearing what is said on earth.


Regarding verse 8, can the prayers be authored by those who are already in heaven? It doesn't say. There are different interpretations on exactly who the saints are because their identity can't be precisely demonstrated,Therefore, if it cannot be demonstrated conclusively who they are, then it cannot be demonstrated conclusively whose prayers they are, either.


Nevertheless, verse 9 says "they sang a new song." Who is the "they"? It would have to be either the the four living creatures and/or the 24 elders since "prayers of the saints" don't sing, "creatures" and "elders" do the singing.


In verse 11-12 the angels, the creatures, and the elders who were all around the throne (which means they are in heaven) were praising God directly. In verse 13 it says every created thing in heaven and earth was praising God, then the elders fell down and worshiped, v. 14.



Just because those in heaven can hear the prayers of those on Earth does not mean that is okay to pray to saints. If they can hear the prayers of people it is because God grants that to them. Think about it. Can those in heaven hear the prayers uttered without speech? Can they read minds? It is only God who knows all things and only God can grant anyone to hear or know what the prayers are of those who pray in silence. Let's not give the saints superhuman powers similar to omniscience. Nevertheless, all the text is saying is that they can hear the praise and worship of God. It does not say that they are to receive prayers, nor does it imply praying to them is permitted. All it says is that they can hear the prayers and praise.