₦airaland Forum

Covert1:
Numbers are nice but for me the medium term goal would be to see how we can invest with the Chinese and Pakistanis to set up capacity for assembly of these aircrafts in Nigeria. Most nations now buy with that incentive in the deal. It helps to transfer technology and know how.

This only works if the buying nation is purchasing a considerable quantity, not 3 units.

Even if we purchase 32 planes they would still not be assembled in country, we would be looking at a hundred units and above.

Covert1:
We've been through this but I understand its your opinion based on what is open source information. But you do realize there would be a lot of problems for tactical planning if the fighter pilot is giving the inaccurate intelligence on that JF-17 Thunder aircraft. I doubt his superiors would accept that if it was not the case and no one in the NAF or PAC or CAC has come out since then to disprove his claims.

It's not my opinion bro, it's a stated fact, and well recognized by multiple international organizations including CATIC & PAC, the manufacturers of the JF-17.

Again, his comment is not enough for CATIC or PAC to disapprove his claim because Nigeria is not a major user, 2 the pilot was speaking to a domestic audience.

If Nigeria had purchased 16 aircrafts and the pilot made that claim, it would have been refuted.

iblawi:
24 JF-17 will make meaningful difference in the Air Force's capabilities. Block 3 will make more sense for next set to be procured.

From the briefing the pilot gave, I think the Block 2 is an excellent platform, with steady advancement in capabilities, it would be a great platform.

kabe1:
Video brief of the JF-17.


Talking about the JF-17s data-link, air to air & air to ground capability, weapons hard point, targeting pod and designation, and HOTAS.


The Pilot refers to the JF-17 as a 4.5 generation aircraft, I don't agree with this, put the JF-17 is clearly a formidable aircraft.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3FDrRnGyko

From the above brief, the JF-17 is clearly a very formidable aircraft with advanced capabilities.

The world over only the SU-35, MIG-29m/MIG-35, Euro fighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-16 block 60 and above, J-10C, Gripen E/F, F-15, JF-17 block 3 are referred to as 4.5 generation or 4++ generation aircrafts.


With the JF-17 I like that aircrafts are able to communicate seamlessly with each other, I believe that a pilot in plane A would able to launch the missiles and bombs on Plane B.


Also the fact the aircraft only has 7 hard points is also not a disadvantage as 1 hard point can carry 2 bombs or missiles under the wing, so in theory, the aircraft can carry 12 bombs and missiles.

I also like the HOTAS feature of the aircraft, one more thing is the JF-17 is full fly by wire ( computer assisted with multiple redundancies).

Earlier models of the JF-17 were only fly by wire in 2 axis.


I think it's a fantastic platform for our needs, we need a full squadron strength of the aircraft, a minimum of 16 planes.

But 32 aircrafts won't be a bad idea.

Video brief of the JF-17.


Talking about the JF-17s data-link, air to air & air to ground capability, weapons hard point, targeting pod and designation, and HOTAS.


The Pilot refers to the JF-17 as a 4.5 generation aircraft, I don't agree with this, put the JF-17 is clearly a formidable aircraft.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3FDrRnGyko

Edmanpumpin:
Full list of those who died in the Plane Crash:
1. LT GEN I ATTAHIRU.
2. BRIG GEN MI ABDULKADIR.
3. BRIG GEN OLAYINKA.
4. BRIG GEN KULIYA.
5. MAJ LA HAYAT.
6. MAJ HAMZA.
7. SGT UMAR.

CREW
8. FLT LT TO ASANIYI.
9. FLT LT AA OLUFADE.
10. SGT ADESINA.
11. ACM OYEDEPO

Man this is heartbreaking and painful!!

This country deserves a break from bad news.

I mean.......... man!!!

JOSCOFELIX:
I call some....... he say that the coas and the rest are in icu. he said they where breathing when being rush to the hospital. this happen 2min close to the airport.assin. .... Should not be rule out

You are really, really annoying!!!

Jeez, just stop!!!

AskiaHarem:
Yea it's to bad Nigeria is the only country that has had aircraft accidents. Shame Nigeria is the only country that still has problems why can't it be a Utopia like everywhere else on Earth?

Insecurity in the Northeast, Northwest, North central, South East, South South and South West.

If you don't see the colossal problem with this situation, I can't help you.

Wahala no dey finish for Nigeria.

Fvck!!!!

From one bad news to another news, to yet another bad news.

It just doesn't end, exhausting!

How do people cope in Nigeria.

Wahala no dey finish for Nigeria.

Fvck!!!!

From one bad news to another news, to yet another bad news.

It just doesn't end, exhausting!

How do people even cope in that country.

Covert1:
Please nobody crucify me but I must say the truth where it's due, President Buhari may have terrible economic and political policies but in funding military acquisitions he gets an A.

I'm not sure with the previous administration will not be asking now where the money is. President Buhari came in and immediately gave approval for the JF-17s and thanks to President Donald John Trump paid cash for the very powerful and advanced CT/COIN A-29 Super Tucanos plus other acquisitions across board for the military, ONSA and NIMASA.

The current defense minister deserve commendation for effective leadership.

I agree, Buhari has very terrible economic and political policies.

He has done really well in funding the military, especially taking into account finance available.

The previous military chiefs have also judiciously used procurement funds, especially the Air Force and Navy.

iblawi:
Common with 4th / 4++ generation aircraft. SAAB gripen C/D of SAAF have similar capabilities.

Nothing to prove JF-17 is better than gripen C/D as their capabilities are very similar. The gripen having technological advantage in some areas such as AESA radar, lower RCS and better engines which gives gripen an edge over JF-17 thunder ⚡. That doesn't mean the JF-17 cannot bring down the gripen in combat.

Gripen which SAAF does not have AESA radar, there is no evidence it has a lower RCS as the JF-17 and it's engine is not better.

Both Aircrafts have very similar characteristics, the Gripen C/D is slightly better but not by much.

Stephandesward:
The jf 17 we have is 4+ generation, to be declared a true 4.5 generation, it needs to be at least 4++, where by it has 5 generation avionics e.g su35, mig 35, f16 block 21, f15 silent eagle,proposed f21(proposed advanced f16 for india), the most recent gripen and a few others......our block 2 isn't 4.5, even the cockpit, shows it isn't 4.5

I don't know how anyone can refer to the JF-17 Block II as a 4.5 gen aircraft.

AskiaHarem:
Cool where was this photographic?

Tactical Air Command Markurdi, today.

Hennynitan:
Hmmmmm... So should we believe kabe or the Nigerian air force pilot that is flying the jet?
If the pilot is wrong then it's a disgrace to the air force that its pilot don't know the type of aircraft he was trained to fly. Like that should be a basic 101 knowledge in his training course for this jet

You don't need to believe me. Carry out your own independent research, if any credible link you post refers to the Block II as a 4.5 gen aircraft, I will retract and issue an apology.

fabselad:
LOL you amaze me bro. hahahah. So a pilot can't make a mistake due to being carried away by the euphoria of the ceremony. Some is telling you a the only JF17 considered as Gen 4.5 is block 3 not block 2 and you still argue. the only block 3 manufactured is still been tested. Show which article would call a JF17 block 2 a 4.5 gen aircraft. Soon you would start comparing those JF17s with SAAF SAAB Gripen.LOL

The Block II JF-17 and SAAB Gripen C/D are in the same class.

Light weight and 4 GEN.

Covert1:
Really, are you serious, how dare you! Kabe1 just claimed on Nairaland a fighter pilot don't know the machine he is flying and he kabe1 knows better. Well thank God I have enough sense to know you have just made a full time mockery of yourself before the whole world. Therefore your assertion is not only wrong, amateurish, ignoble, ignorant but patently irrelevant and of no consequence. You can accept what works in your world to sleep.

That fighter pilot migrated from the F7-Ni to the JF-17N Thunder and knows exactly what he is saying without mincing words and I believe him totally. When you graduate first from basic flying and prove it then I'll listen to you. Right now you are nothing more than just an internet military enthusiast who is ignorant.

What is the point of this rant?

The JF-17 is classified across the world as a light weight 4th generation aircraft.

This designation would not change until the block 3 enters service.

Nigerian Air Force JF-17 Block II fighter aircraft

Covert1:
The NAF JF-17 is a 4.5 GEN Jet. Pls be specific. The pilot is a seasoned aviator to know enough not to say otherwise in world view.

The only 4.5 JF-17 available anywhere in the world is a flying prototype currently stationed at Catic in China.

It's not in the Pakistani air force, Chinese Air Force and certainly not in Nigeria.

That pilot was wrong to refer to the JF-17 as a 4.5 gen aircraft.

Covert1:
That documentary showed you installation and activation modules not the active cockpit. The important aspects of this Jet are still classified. You can't claim anything to the contrary.

Stop trying to be smart by half.

You claimed NAF did not show cockpit and MFD.

I proved this was false, you're now shifting goal post.

SuperSixSeven:
I have considerable doubts about the gen 4.5 claim. It remains to be seen how this Chinese aircraft made in Pakistan is going to perform, keep in mind the F7 was disaster for the NAF. Unfortunately, there is not much user feedback from JF17 export customers available. At least we got a platform that was designed with the intend to be a multi-role fighter with a broad range of state of the art Chinese weapon systems integrated. It can, therefore, be said that the NAF has achieved some progress in becoming a more capable Air Force. As mentioned in an online article elsewhere the small number of aircraft inducted will certainly come with the price of low availability rate until more platforms will join the service.

The JF-17 is an important platform for the NAF, however Nigeria needs a minimum of 15 aircrafts to make a considerable difference in combat.

Super Tucanos are a more important platform for the Nigerian Air Force considering numbers and employability.

I think the JF-17 would primarily be used for Air Interdiction operations.

The JF-17 brings significant enormous capabilities for us, we can leverage on significant Chinese weapons capability upgrade, we can also count on the support of the Pakistani Air Force.

JOSCOFELIX:
WITH TIME WE SHALL KNOW. CASE CLOSE

Bros, there is no with time here. We bought basic block II jets.

The only other advanced equipment we have coming for this jet is the targeting pod NAF recently ordered.

Sizzorkay:
And who might we be hiding those from? Cockpit? hmm. an enemy wont have a hard time getting all that info if they need it.
I doubt there is anything top secret about this jet

Cockpit's of 5th Generation fighter jets are usually classified.

The F-22 cockpit used to be classified.

The SU-57 and J-20 cockpits are still classified.

The JF-17 is a light weight fighter jets, all information about this aircraft including what it's cockpit looks like is generally open information.

It's a capable jet, but it's not a high end fighter like the SU-30 or MIG-29.

In fact NAF already showed what the Jet's cockpit looks like in their recently released documentary.

JOSCOFELIX:
jet are built on the specification of the customer. you may say is ridiculous . that fine because you have no access to information. even in the today event it was boldly stated that the j17 of the nigeria airforce is 4.5 generation fighter jet. please i stop here. if you quote me again you may not get a answer

Dude, you need to be smarter.

There's currently no JF-17 in service anywhere in the world that uses an AESA radar.

Nigeria has bought 3 units of JF-17 Block II.

The JF-17 is a 4 GEN fighter jet.

You don't have any information or intel which is not publicly available.

Stop been ridiculous.

JOSCOFELIX:
please quote me according to what i say. i never say nigeria airforce bought a block 3 j17 and please before you argue with me please watch today airforce 57 .

So Air Force bought Block 2 with AESA radar


This is ridiculous!!!

Are you this ignorant or you're making a joke?

JOSCOFELIX:
military base around Gwoza, and sambia axis have being reinforce with heavy sf and army. intel say they was air bombardment in lake chad today. they was still air bombardment inside sambia forest. . for those above me saying rubbish about me, let me tell you something you don't know. 1. if you want clarification about any of my intel or post by me , you can gladly ask instead of coming online to say rubbish.
2. you have the right to believe what you want.
3.and please do not mention me if you want to say rubbish.

Do you think you're talking with your village people here?

How is it that you can claim with confidence that Nigeria bought and inducted Block III JF-17?

An aircraft that is not even in service with Pakistan.

mekussa:
The thing tire you ba?

I swear, I just had to genuinely ask.

I don't know if he thinks we all live under a rock, and have no access to the news or internet.

Making ridiculous claims with confidence.

JOSCOFELIX:
i can tell you 100%that j17 with naf have aesa rader and it is a 4.5 generation jet

You have a habit of making ridiculous comments.

Why is this?

Xbee007:
With submarines below surface. I like the way Israel has embraced technology. It is their only saviour!

The Israelis don't have a choice, they have to constantly upgrade their weapon systems.

I think the wall they have is their biggest saviour.

jteku:
With just a single battery installed at the flight deck and if Hamas decide to launch over 20 rocket at the warship, there is a chance they might hit

It's easier to defend against unguided rockets from Hamas, however there is still a high chance that oil installations can be hit if targeted.

Lurker4Long:
I find it interesting that Sierra Nevada submitted both M28 and Super Tucano for this programme. Oh well, hedging their bets.

And in other developments:

"Three A-29s are being delivered to AFSOC later this year, but not for Armed Overwatch. They will be used to train 6th SOS instructors for Combat Aviation Advisor embeds with foreign A-29 operators."

Personal opinion, not a reflection on Super Tucano, which I think is a superb platform:
I'm always wary when countries export weapons which they themselves have rejected in open competition. That goes for SA, Russia, Turkey, China and all other arms exporters.

This is a funny comment.

So can you explain to us why the Rooivalk has lost all tenders and competitions it has been involved in despite it been in service with the SAAF?

Let me make something clear the A-29 Super Tucano is a fantastic aircraft, it is in fact the best COIN, LIWC aircraft in service today. It in service with over 20 countries across the world including the US military.

For reasons we are not aware of, it hasn't been selected for the next round of tendering, however this doesn't take away the fact it is the best and most widely used COIN aircraft today.


I know what you're doing there with China, but the JF-17 has never been considered by the Chinese because it can't fill any role in the Chinese air force.

The J-10 which the JF-17 shares so many similarities with is already in service with the PLAAF, so why would the Chinese go for the JF-17?

Countries purchase defence equipments according to their security needs.

A good example is Nigeria and South-Africa, while South-Africa has gone for a 92 meters ship to replace SAS protea, Nigeria has gone for 2 ships one 60 meters and the other 35 meters to replace NNS Lana.

Again, this reflects on need and requirements.

Israel's most powerful warship provides security for oil installations as fighting escalates in Gaza.

You can see an iron dome system on the flight deck.