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Yagz:
Gentlemen, in an earlier post I had stated that:

[ same be done in a mature manner without insults. Let's 'play the ball and not the man'. Thank you.

You don't come here throw tantrums, make unsubstantiated claims, cherry pick points and think we would all agree with you.

Stay off the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

Yagz:
Greetings Tochex 101. I hail you!

Joscoflex - respectfully neither NNS Centenary or NNS Unity have missile capabilities.

Nigeria in it's 'penny wise pound foolish' wisdom, purchased the very basic export version of the Chinese Type 056 Corvette armed with only a 76 mm naval gun, 30mm and 20mm cannons. In Nigerian service they are classed as OPVs (P-18N).

The Algerian variant (currently under construction) as well as the versions purchased by Bangladesh are armed with missiles for ASuW. I guess you get what you pay for!

You're quite ill-informed, it's shocking to read.

Nigeria bought an Offshore Patrol Vessel based off the Type 056 Corvette. If we need a missile carrying corvette, we would have bought one.


Algeria does not have the Type-056 in service, Algeria has C28A corvettes in service.

No, you buy what you need. It's is ridiculous for a mother of 5 to buy a 2 door saloon car when she actually needs a mini-van.

Yagz:
Why does the Nigerian Govt like buying capital millitary platforms peicemeal and in insufficient numbers?

Case in point - South Africa bought 4 Meko Valour Class frigates and 3 Type 209 submarines in one transaction. Egypt is buying FREMM Frigates and Mistral LPDs for fun ..not to talk of Gorwind and Meko Class corvettes. Algeria buys MEKO Class Valour frigates from Germany and corvettes from China in substantial numbers.

Nigeria is making noise over a sole destroyer as it's replacement Flagship? Haba!

There are 3 operational naval commands (Western, Eastern and Central). The Nigerian Navy should be given the funds to purchase at least 6 well armed OPVs (with missile capabilites), 3 Meko 200 'Valour' Class frigates with similar armaments as those purchased by Algeria and at least 2 Type 52D frigates from China.

Let's be absolutely clear- Nigeria currently has no navy, just a well equipped Coast Guard with a number of in-shore patrol craft (Shaldags, and OCEA PF72 patrol boats etc).

The hand-me-down Hamlilton Class ex -Us Coastgaurd long patrol vessels - NNS Thunder and NNS Okpbana, have no missile or ASW /ASuW capabilities whatseover. The OPVs purchased from China - NNS Century and NNS Unity have no missile, ASW or AsuW capabilies either- and these are supposed to be our capital ships NNS Aradu (our current Flag ship) for all intents and purposes has been reduced to a training vessel with all it's missile capabilites removed. The newly acquired NNS Lana is a Hydrographic Survey Vessel and is not armed.

Senegal is currently in the process of building naval vessels in France will soon (by 2022) have FACs with missile capabilites and thus become the only navy in West Africa with such vessels...and the Nigerian Navy ..sorry Coast Guard will then be caught napping!

The most likely reason Nigeria continues to buy military equipment in piecemeal numbers is down to money & funding.

If the funding is there, military procurements would be much better.

South-Africa - South-Africa bought all that military equipment using loans. In Egypt case, the army controls a huge proportion of the economy, procurements are made through loans and external funding partners like Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Unlike South-Africa, Nigeria has never borrowed to fund the military, in many cases I think this is a right strategy, but the military could do with extra-budgetary funding and funding from other government agencies like in the case of NIMASA.

Nigeria has a well equipped Navy for the threats it currently faces, this is a fact. Our threats which are present and real are mainly from pirates, oil bunkering, sabotage and kidnapping at sea.

I don't see how buying a Frigate improves our capabilities to fight crime at sea.


Let's be absolutely clear - Nigeria has a moderately equipped Navy ( not a coast guard), the responsibility of our Navy is to protect Nigeria's territorial waters against external and internal aggressors and to ensure the free passage of trade and commerce at sea.


Egypt, South-Africa all use hand me downs, there is nothing wrong in accepting aide from super powers.

NNS Centenary and Unity have no missile capabilities because they were not purchased for firing missiles at pirates at sea.

Yes, NNS Centenary, Unity, Thunder, Okpabana and Prosperity are our capital ships. They were procured to fill roles required by the Nigerian navy and they are all doing that well.

NNS Lana is a Hydrographic ship, NNS Aradu ( poorly maintained) is far past it's prime. Hence a requirement for a replacement.

The Senegalese situation and the Nigerian situation are not the same thing, each country has it's own peculiar security need, with threats assessed and solutions fashioned to deal with these security assessments.

You don't make post for the sake of it, you need to understand the security situation of each individual country.

New Zealand does not have a Fighter Jet fleet.

You need to be better informed.

LTGEN:
IMHO
Nigeria should return to Germany there is Good Solid History there.
They can implement a Contract whereby say after 10 years there will be a System upgrade of both Electronic and FCSs and Missile Systems.
For such a FlagShip . Nigeria must be very deliberate who Should not be in the running to build a Ship that would costs in the neighborhood of $250-$300M
The only other Country that should be considered is China.
There is good history there also. There should be an understanding of a Timeline with what type of TOT will be given to NN Engineers.
This has to be part of the package.

Germany and China would naturally be our main options.

There was supposed to be a transfer of technology contract for the second OPV (NNS Unity) , but I don't know what happened.

The ship was supposed to be completed in Calabar.

Also from Damen



DESIGN
MISSIONS
• Naval patrol of the EEZ;
• Deterrence;
• Search and Rescue;
• ASW, AAW, ASuW and EW.

WEAPON SUITE
• Medium calibre gun 76 mm;
• Close in weapons system;
• 2 x small calibre guns;
• 2 x SSM launchers;
• 12 Cell VL SHORADS;
• 2 x torpedo launchers;
• 2 x decoys/chaff;
• ECM.

SENSOR SUITE
• 3D surveillance & target indication radar & IFF;
• Radar/electro-optical fire control;
• Hull mounted sonar;
• ESM.

DAMEN Sigma Frigate

DESIGN MISSIONS
• Naval patrol of the EEZ;
• Deterrence;
• Search and Rescue;
• ASW, AAW, ASUW and EW.

WEAPON SUITE
• Medium calibre gun 76 mm;
• 2 x small calibre guns;
• 2 x SSM launchers;
• 12 Cell VL SHORADS;
• 2 x torpedo launchers;
• 2 x decoys/chaff;
• ECM.

SENSOR SUITE
• 3D surveillance & target indication radar & IFF;
• Radar/electro-optical fire control;
• Hull mounted sonar;
• ESM.

MEKO A-200 frigate

The MEKO A-200 frigate measures 121m in length and accommodates up to 120 crew members. Its armament includes a 127mm or 76mm main gun, a pair of 30mm-40mm secondary guns, two 12.7-20mm cannons, eight surface-to-surface missiles, 32 surface-to-air missiles, two anti-submarine (ASW) torpedo tubes, and sea mines.

The ship can house two 5t helicopters, two unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), and an all-weather capable boat. It is outfitted with various sonars, trackers, radars and navigation systems, as well as two torpedo decoy launchers and two EM/IR decoy launchers for countermeasures.

The MEKO A-200 frigate is capable of full-four-dimensional warfare (AAW, ASW and ASuW, BCW). It can also conduct general missions such as search and rescue, patrol, special force, and humanitarian purposes.

Powered by a CODAG-WARP (water jet and refined propellers) propulsion system, the frigate can attain a maximum speed of more than 29k and offers a range of 7,200nm at 16k.

Type 054A frigates from China comes equipped with an SR2410C phased radar and 32-cell Vertical Launching System (VLS) able to launch the YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles.

Other armaments include eight C-803 anti-ship / land-attack cruise missiles, one PJ26 76 mm dual-purpose naval gun, two Type 730, 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130, six 324mm Yu-7 ASW torpedo launchers, two Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried) and two Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers.

The Type 054 frigates are powered by four Shaanxi 16 PA6 STC diesel engines, each developing 5700 kW. The ships have a crew of 165 each and can reach a top speed of 27 knots with an estimated cruising range of 8,025 nautical miles (14,862 km).

JOSCOFELIX:
intel with me say china for now. because of it maintenance and spare part

I think China too.

iblawi:
Lol

Still not solid enough.

We need to know the type and country of origin (Germany or China)

They are to lobby government to procure a frigate.

They are just in the lobbying stage, not even an RFI or RFQ has been sent to manufacturers.

This is the first time they have publicly stated plans are in motion to buy one.

Areas has launched 1700 fighter II boats for the Nigerian Navy

There are a number of options available to the Nigerian navy in the frigate class for a replacement of Aradu.

The front runners would most likely be

- Meko A200

- Sigma class Frigate (Damen)

- Type 054

- Gowind class design

- maybe something from India.


If I were to choose the Type-054 should be the likely replacement for Aradu, however with Damen doing a lot of business in Nigeria across the military and civilian sector, and France selling a number of vessels to Nigeria it might be tight.

BREAKING NEWS

Biggest evidence yet to suggest Nigerian navy is in the process of procuring a new frigate to replace Aradu.



The two-day Nigerian Navy (NN) Retreat 2021 held at new Conference Hall of Naval Headquarters (NHQ), Abuja ended on Tuesday, canvassing for the procurement of a new frigate to serve as Flagship to replace the Nigerian Navy Ship ARADU and improve NN Order of Battle.

The 125.6-metre (412 ft 1 in) multi-role frigate, NNSA ARADU, is the largest warship in the inventory of the Nigerian Navy.

It sailed from its shipyard and arrived at Lagos on 21 December 1981 and was commissioned into service on 22 February 1982.

The retreat also agreed that NHQ should consummate Memoranda of Understanding (MOU) with Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) to improve availability of spares for improved naval platform availability to effectively secure Nigeria’s maritime domain.

In addition, Naval Headquarters also promised to standardise the equipment holding of all operations commands and bases to improve the combat readiness and logistics support in the NN for enhanced operational effectiveness.

The retreat with theme, “Effective Management for Nigerian Navy Operational Efficiency,” was attended by Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS), Principal Staff Officers at NHQ, Flag Officers Commanding (FOCs) and Commanders of operations bases, while the rest of the NN units, ships and establishments participated virtually via Zoom video conference link.

https://globalupfront.com/2021/04/20/nigerian-navy-ends-2-day-retreat-seeks-new-frigate-to-replace-its-flagship-nns-aradu-commissioned-22-february-1982/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nigerian-navy-ends-2-day-retreat-seeks-new-frigate-to-replace-its-flagship-nns-aradu-commissioned-22-february-1982

Chad army deep upgraded Type 59G tanks.

South African Army

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Nigerian Navy Ship makes Port Visit in Lisbon, Portugal

Sizzorkay:
There you go. it's all about the messaging. lobby chinese vocal support, Russia etc, there's literally nothing france can do to overide the entire wishes of a continent and support from some other big countries. messaging matters, and showing the capacity to get the job done is also critical such scenario. France isn't some all powerful entity. There are limits, and the world still have rules that Govern it

As far as French interests are concerned in Chad, there is no where Chad can run to.

Sizzorkay:
That's your opinion. All good
talking about capacity and structural integrity. Haven't such deployment happen before? smh. we act like when it comes down to it we wouldn't do the needful. so what if there was no france, we fold our arms and allow terrorists run amock? the capacity is there, the will isn't.
And i don't recall saying the AU should deploy soldiers. I was talking about authorization for ecowas deployment into chad.

Bro, you need to face political reality.

Stop assuming things, live in the present. In this present reality there is nothing Chad can do if their interest challenges French interest in Chad.

This is the reality of things.

Sizzorkay:
if there's a need to intervene in chad, we can go thru the AU, its all about audacity and actually having a spine, clarify your objectives and reasons for such deployment. if the AU and Ecowas approves deployment into chad, with the support of the chadian Govt, , France can not stop it. this is the problem black people keep having, we put ourselves down and put these westerners on a pedestal. call their bluff, as long as you aren't committing atrocities, there's nothing france or the west can do to stop such deployment. All they need is an excuse, take that away from them by doing things right, and their opinion become irrelevant.
you wouldn't know until you try.
Our problem in Sub-Saharan Africa is our lack of assertiveness. what a shame.

The AU that couldn't deploy in Mali to fight terrorists.

There is no amount of assertiveness that can replace capacity and structural integrity.

Sizzorkay:
bro, this is politics, end of they day they will bribe him with their support. but to say he can not? fvk yea he can. question is, is he willing to face the consequence. its still a sovereign nation.
Not saying it's as simple as I'm putting it. but if he want them out, he can ask them to leave, its their right, and when this blows all over the world, france gets labeled a colonizer and downhill it goes from there. lots of these countries try to protect their image, that's why backroom deals happen, without the general public knowing what's going on

Brother, let's call a spade, a spade.

Chad is not a sovereign nation, we need to get this first.

France militarily intervened in Chad since the war with Nigeria, Libya, and the rebels that have come before these.

Politically speaking, not even a miracle will save Chad from the firm grip of France.

First, Chad is one of the poorest countries in the world.

Chad has one of the world's worst illiteracy rates.

Chad is not rich in valuable minerals.

Chad is a strategic military/security buffer for France.

What you're saying is similar to asking the UK to leave the Falklands, Gibraltar, or Russia leaving Crimea or America leaving Hawaii or Alaska.

It's just not possible.

ugo4u:
You think France will let Nigeria intervene? ...
Derby's son will continue from where his dad stopped and judging from past anticedent in geopolitics, people who "inherited" power have the propensity to be more ruthless than their predecessor and of course France is there to give him all the support he needs even if it means sending in the Rafaels.
Alot of us don't know the extent of France's grip on our neighbors, they'll only turn against the incoming President if he goes against French interest in that country.

France has Nigeria completely surrounded, from Cameroun, Chad , Niger, Ivory Coast and Burkina Faso.

Military bases all over the place, they will never choose Nigeria over France.

Sizzorkay:
if he becomes the President and want to send france packing, he can. And there's no darn thing france can do to him. only way they can retaliate is via economic sabotage. The world has changed, sure france have deep reach over there, but it's not absolute. sbeet. France's reputation can be easily ruined if they make unpopular move, and all it takes is a few strokes on a keyboard. The world is more sensitive than before.
Only reason he might be unable to if he wanted would be if they have some sort of agreements in place, And I'm talking about french military presence in the region. Chad isn't powerless, only risk i see for them in my scenario is economic

Lol, he cannot.

Whyem15:
Turn others misfortunes into our own fortunes.
The Chad scenario will most likely play out in either of two ways. Either the country becomes war torn from infighting between factions or the son of derby takes over swiftly and consolidates his power. Either way, Nigeria should be looking for how to benefit the most. If the country becomes war torn, make The terrorists see sense in moving over to that side to establish their caliphate as it will be easier for them.
The other way is to support derby's son..... Right now he will be needing all the allies he can get. Support him now and you may get his full commitment to the counterinsurgency later on.

The terrorists too may be getting new allies.

Idris Derby's son has been a close ally of France for a long time.

He led the Chadian army in Mali, it's no surprise that France will support him.

France has a tight grip of Francophone countries in West and Central Africa, those countries are merely puppet states of France.

Whyem15:
The recent pictures ISWAP released of the Dikwa attack showed three armoured vehicles burnt; 2 BTRs and 1 panhard. From the pictures of the BTRs, it is obvious they were burnt where they were parked. They were not even moved by the garrisoned troops. Let's assume the troops ran when the attack began, wouldn't it be wiser to flee in a vehicle that can move you faster while also protecting you.
It is either the troops were caught unaware or the vehicles were not operational. If it is the latter, maybe the army should recruit mechanics, give them basic combat trainings, send them on mechanics courses overseas and deploy sizable numbers to each of the super camps and outposts.

According to Deji, Frederick and the rest of the twitter street, the fact our Chief of Army Staff can speak English eloquently is all the security we need.

Nigerian Navy Ship NNS Lana

Nigerian Air Force JF-17 4th Gen multi-role advanced fighter jet.

sanctity454:
Why chinese origin?

The Nigerian Navy already has Chinese corvettes, so familiarity of system and ship.

Line of credit and financing would be much easier from China than Germany.

Much lower political considerations when buying a military equipment from China than Germany.


Pakistan Navy’s Type 054A/P frigates, ordered from China will come equipped with an SR2410C phased radar and 32-cell Vertical Launching System (VLS) able to launch the YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles.

Other armaments include eight C-803 anti-ship / land-attack cruise missiles, one PJ26 76 mm dual-purpose naval gun, two Type 730, 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130, six 324mm Yu-7 ASW torpedo launchers, two Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried) and two Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers.

The Type 054A/P frigates are powered by four Shaanxi 16 PA6 STC diesel engines, each developing 5700 kW. The ships have a crew of 165 each and can reach a top speed of 27 knots with an estimated cruising range of 8,025 nautical miles (14,862 km).

We can get a much more powerful ship from China at a lower price.

Nigerian Navy NNS Lana

CHIEF OF THE NAVAL STAFF AND NIGERIAN AMBASSADOR TO FRANCE FAREWELL VISIT TO NNS LANA AT PORT OF SAINT NAZAIRE FRANCE (16 APRIL 2021)

sanctity454:
I will prefer 3 of german origin

I will also prefer 3, but of Chinese origin.