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kenpaul0:
It would not affect LNG....only crude is affected....The gas industry is doing strong...LNG is waxing strong

I didn't say it would affect LNG.

I'm saying, use the LNG contract as reference to the scale of oil contracts in Nigeria.

Also use the the LNG contract to measure the number of Nigerian oil services contractors & Vendors.

Imagine the scale, then if oil continues to Tank you can use the above measure and estimate the number of losses we might see in Nigeria's energy sector if oil remains at $15 per barrel or below.

South African Special Forces

Infantry Patrol Vehicle 1 would be replaced or at least complemented by Infantry Patrol Vehicle 2.

Nigerian made Infantry Patrol Vehicle 1

Heavily armed, light and fast patrol vehicles.

Nigerian army VT4 Main Battle Tank

Odoskii:
Forgive my ignorance but pls those guys wearing black belong to which department?

The guys wearing black and holding Tavor-21 guns are the Chief of Army Staffs body guards.

The older men wearing black could be senior officers of Nigerian army special forces units.

LTGEN:
It is version of the BR 21 Grad.

OK.

Gen Buratai Continues Operational tour of troops’ locations in the North East

Nigerian army

This looks like a "new" rocket launcher.

I've never seen this type of Launch vehicle.

Toju200:
well I got more followers Sha thanks to Kabe1 and All of you providing me pics... it's almost 2k followers and likes..
Most of them are Nigerians the rest are India Ghana Philippines I'm sure Afghanistan and also a guy from Serbia too through my page got in Love with our military and he said he would like to join as a foreigner...
I told him I'm not sure Nigeria allows dat..
The dude was serious he was making plans for a house here

Military grunts from other countries are beginning to appreciate made in Nigeria hardware.

I see people posting our hardware from different countries especially in Europe.

Odunayaw:
patches used to nearly drive me nuts then. Gosh, great times The representation of Africans in one thread, I miss it

I remember Patches689, Saengine, Fighterpilot, Mikeza, Andrewza, Henry120, Chris356, Agaugust, now the whole place just reeks of people throwing negative comments about.

I remember there were Africans from so many other countries posting here.

Dream2:
Please add Siriusblack, tempted to quote you as I'm a learner, all I do is to read and never comment.
Anyway, it's quite sad the way things are going here.
Bidexiii, bro I must say you doing great on this thread despite the negativity.
I also salute LTGEN and Blackdalia.

I don't know @Siriusblack, but I've read people talk about him though.

I don't know anything, I learnt all from the military threads. This one and the other one.

It's tiring, people wake up in their various houses and come here to make negative comments all day. I wonder if this place is Defence headquarters.

Mayor555:
Please sir, title?

Extraction. Thank me later.

If you have not watched this movie, you're missing a lot!!


I am low key praying eagle wings movie would be like this.

Odunayaw:
you know as a 'veteran' of the strongest military thread and even Henry's thread's early days, you just have to develop the capacity to keep scrolling.

I used to visit the military threads as a guest back then, I must admit I didn't really know much about the military, it was these threads that taught me a lot. I really miss some of the very old posters.

The old guards I remember still posting are you, Rka2 (Legend), Jln115 and Bidexii.

So much fun back then.

Odunayaw:
So all you could bring out in relation of your Mig21 and JF17 relation is the cannon?

But if we use your logic of the JF17 being used to bomb terrorists alone makes it weak, the F35 is in peril of being judged same way

That guy and his second in-command's logic are really very amusing.

Turkish Defence Industry land systems.

I pray everyday that Nigeria will get to this level soon.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbNp284tgkA

nemesis8u:
Is the author of the article dear old alan warnes ?

Unrelated
Incase u didn't know one can hire authors / magazines for pennies .

In this big world , the big question is , which story suits u . We all r captives of ur own needs .

Man, you have an obvious bias towards India, as an Indian as such, it would be irrelevant having this discussion with you.

komekn:
One potential weakness of the JF-17 is its internal cannon, which is still the double-barrel GSh-23, a legacy of its MiG-21 heritage. This cannon is outperformed by practically any other autocannon mounted on a modern combat aircraft. However, given the relative infrequency of cannon usage in modern air combat, this is not a big issue.

Being in the same class (debatable) does not equate to same quality and capability of proven and established quality air craft like the F35, F16, Typhoon, etc

With regards to the F35 in use by Isreal , NATO and other US allies, find out yourself.

We'll have to let this go.

It seems some people find it difficult thinking in this thread.

If you say aircraft A is not combat tested despite striking a nuclear power (India), and carrying out combat patrols, why is the F-35 combat approved despite only been used to bomb terrorists.

If you claim that aircraft A has not had export success despite selling to 2 countries, how about aircraft B which had to wait 18 years before a sale to Egypt.

It's basic common sense, these comparisons are meant to look at similar instances in aircrafts, not to judge fighters 'like for like' per say.

Please before quoting me, apply common sense.

Instead of reading poorly informed opinions of random people who have not seen fighter jets up close, Here are pages from Air Forces Intel magazine on the combat capability of the JF-17 which was part of the strike package that bombed India.

nemesis8u:
Question is many links do you want ?

Post them let's make the deduction ourselves.

Please post credible & reliable sources like Jane's defence etc not Indian links.

South-African army

Nigerian made Infantry Patrol Vehicle II

Ghana Otokar Cobra II spotted in this video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJhKTQ0cv9M

Texman21:
I mean by their definition of cheap.

Komekn 20 typhoons and f-16s will be appreciated.

Lol.

Texman21:
u know that u can buy a f-16 or one of ur dream jets and donate it to the airforce.



One thing I noticed some people hate Jf-17 because it is cheap and China has a hand in it.

You know the funny thing, it's not that cheap. It cost us $180 million, plus ammunition and training.

This means each plane cost between 40 and 45 million dollars.

komekn:
I did and my response is to question the claim "The JF-17 is a combat proven aircraft, all weather, state of the art aircraft with modern avionics and an advanced EW suite."

You went on further to say it has had export success with Mynamar and now Nigeria.

If you are using Myanmar as a benchmark for credibility then you are desperately clutching at straws. This aircraft is cheap unproven in any combat scenario beyond what Pakistan very questionably claims.

It is an aircraft for poor countries with limited ambition and or forward thinking.

Since its maiden flight in 2003 it has managed to sell this so called according to you state of the art aircraft, to only two gullible buyers after 17 years, Myanmar and Nigeria, Chei we have suffered.

It was derived by the from the Mig 21, which also is the F7 and according to the Chinese and Pakistanis modelled on the F16.

with Myanmar buying them for only 16 million per unit. This has been the key to the JF-17’s export success. A poor nation can field a relatively modern fighter for a very low price. It is yet to be seen whether it can actually perform at its price point in combat, but Pakistan seems to be satisfied with what the JF-17 can do in trials. In many ways, China has updated the budget fighter of the last generation, the MiG-21, for the modern era with the help and additional design cues from the F-16.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/jf-17-fighter-chinas-weird-mig-21-and-f-16-hybrid-24782

The shameless Chinese reverse engineered "Land Wind" may look like a Range Rover Evoque but is very far off the mark in all aspects, apart from just the visuals we do not judge a book by its cover.

When we say battle tested in the main the assumption is over a period of time an aircraft will be proven on multiple fronts and scenarios to be either comparable, outstanding and or exceptional. In 17 years since the its maiden flight there is NOTHING to underpin the claim of battle tested and proven.

For instance the Jaguar, F16, SU25 , f35 are battle tested proven and exceptional over many decades as outstanding performing aircraft, that is my understanding of , battle proven.

Your conjectures are quite sad to read, they show you need to read more widely.

The JF-17 is a light weight combat aircraft, in the same class as the Gripen C/D, LCA Tejas and FC-K-1 from Taiwan. These aircrafts fill their own niche in a country's fighter aircraft structure. The Gripen, JF-17 and Tejas play the same role an F-16, MIG-29 and J-10 play in larger Air Forces of The US, Russia and China. If you didn't know this, I really call into question your numerous opinions.

For a small country, Myanmar has a large Air Force, larger than that of Nigeria and South-Africa.

With regards to export sales, Rafale until very recently, Egypt purchase to be precise had no export success. From the time the JF-17 entered service with the Pakistan Air Force, they have secured 2 export sales. That's a very short time.

It would be objective for you to tell us what part of the MIG-21 is in the JF-17. Is it the avionics, the wing design, the power plant, is the JF-17 a Delta designed aircraft what areas. Give us the information.


Like I said previously, the JF-17 was part of the strike package that bombed India, they flew combat air patrols against Indian aircrafts, have been used numerously in ground attack roles and has a confirmed drone kill. See picture attached.

The F-35 is battle tested over how many years, and against what types of aircrafts?

rationalhuman:
Although this is a Chinese copy of MIG 21 but it can be effective against those Jihadi Boko Terrorists.
I dont see Nigeria going to war with any neighboring country(Only in that case you never know outcome) thus it is fine, But just because Nigeria bought this please dont tel us this is 4th gen fighter.

Better upgrade you inventory of Jaguars, The real deal.

You type so incoherently.

Toju200:
update on the Kabe1 pls

It is from IAV (International Armoured Vehicle) event held in January or February of this year.

That's the total information.

komekn:
Which

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

What do you consider is a battle proven aircraft?

komekn:
Which other air-force apart from China and Pakistan who jointly make this aircraft use it and have recorded any measured successful combat experience with it As you expect Pakistan wil always hype their own aircraft good or bad. In a war situation the first casualty is the TRUTH.


The PAF claimed its JF-17s had shot down two Indian fighters pursuing strike planes into Pakistani airspace. However, while the loss of one upgraded Indian MiG-21 Bison was confirmed and its pilot captured, India subsequently displayed fragments of American-made AIM-120 missiles only compatible with Pakistan’s F-16s, casting some doubt on whether the PAF’s Thunders were responsible for the kill.

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

Did you actually go through my post?

Can you post a link from the Pakistani Defence saying they shot down India's MIG-21 with a JF-17.

I didn't tell you JF-17 shot down MIG-21.

Until recently, only France used the Rafale, the fact is Myanmar bought 16 units, Nigeria has ordered 3 units. The JF-17 has had export success for such a new aircraft.

Please read my post again.