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S400:
right , especially with the low level of health systems, hygiene, and there are even countries that have 20 % of the population with AIDS with no immunity .. it will be a carnage

It's a really serious problem.

In real life, it's best to avoid anyone who thinks Covid-19 is a hoax or some scam.

They are a health and security risk.

blacKDalia:
We just don't seem to get things right. I ve read the recent posts on the super tucano with interest. My major concern is the delivery date: 2020 or 2024. For those people quoting 2024, is the delivery date starting 2024 or ending that same year? If starting 2024 it just shows that the policy planners and decision makers in the military are masturbat-ng over the issues in the North East or effing Nigeria doggy style. It's very annoying and stinks to high heavens that there's no regard for the life of the ordinary soldier in the North East. One day na one day.

First A-29 Super Tucano delivery to Nigeria pushed back to May 2021


The first delivery in the foreign military sale of 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft to Nigeria is not expected until May 2021, one year later than initially scheduled. An Air Force official attributed the delay to contract negotiations that were finalized last December, months after the original deal was signed and implemented in Jan. 2018. "The A-29 production efforts were not able to start until the contract negotiations were completed. The delayed start shifted production line schedules from the fourth...


https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/first-29-super-tucano-delivery-nigeria-pushed-back-may-2021

S400:
i have shared the link of us department of defense about the 329 millions Undefinitized Contract Actions (UCA ) ( contract actions for which the contract terms, specifications, or price are not agreed upon before performance commences ) .

lets say 344 millions . but dont forget the weaponary , ammunitions and other stuff . still 494 millions is too expensive for only 12 tucano's specially with 2024 delivery .

with 494 millions $ , and the lack of air support of nigerian operations in the north . 37 mi 35 M would be better and delivred earlier .

and what do you think of the Su 25 ? the last upgrades are very good and perfect for antiguerilla wars

I'm not referring to Undefinitized Contracts, we know the Tucanos have been fully paid for.

It is honourable to make statements on factuals instead of unsubstantiated falsehoods like @komken has done.

On the matter of whether they are ideal or not, Helicopters have their own limitations. As we can see in Syria, they have not been used in the offensive in Idlib province considering the threat of shoot downs.

They cannot also provide round the clock surveillance like the Tucanos. Also giving the fact that the Tucano is a turboprop, you save on fuel.

I would personally prefer 37 MI-35m helicopters over 12 Tucanos, but I heard the cost of procuring 12 MI-35m which Nigeria is still waiting to complete is also high.

I don't know how much Algeria paid for 43 MI-28 helicopters but I know the total sum should be more than 500 million.

The SU-25 is also great, but I think the Turboprop has more advantages to it in Nigeria's case.

komekn:
The fact remains that before those 12 turbo prop planes get here in 2-4 years it will cost us total $600.

Your initial comment is false.

You cannot make a statement on a false premise, then you go on to ask a question based on a false claim.

Incredible reasoning.

S400:
for the same 600 millions , you can get 48 mi 35 M or more , perfect for operations against boko haram .

nigeria bought 12 for 150 millions

The Super Tucanos cost 329 million dollars.

Equipment and training make up the balance.


Nigeria to protest U.S. conditions on $494 million purchase of fighter planes

Nigeria will protest to the United States over conditions imposed on its planned $494 million purchase of 12 A-29 Super Tucano fighter planes, Defence Minister Mansur Dan Ali said on Thursday.

Those conditions include the 2020 transfer date for the aircraft and that Nigerian technicians will not be trained by U.S. staff, be part of maintenance crews, nor can they study the production of the planes, he told reporters at a briefing in Abuja.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1FE27J

komekn:
The purpose of this discourse I presume is to inform and educate.

Its not to get into inconsequential arguments over nothing and to make unguarded derogatory comments. To allege that some one is telling lies , but with no basis WHY Please try and be a gentleman and do not lower standards of etiquette here please.

You have lost sight of the core question, which is simply, is this the best use of our very scarce resources.

The fact remains that before those 12 turbo prop planes get here in 2-4 years it will cost us total $600.

You are essentially saying that Bidexiii, S400, Myself and a few others are telling lies, our position is substantiated with multiple US government departments and agencies the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), being one of them.

You are not covering yourself in glory

Long meaningless post.

Sierra Nevada Corp., Centennial, Colorado, has been awarded a $329,076,750 undefinitized contract action (UCA) for 12 A-29 aircraft for the Nigerian Air Force. The total not-to-exceed amount of the UCA is approved at $344,727,439 to include a Forward Looking Infrared System for six of the aircraft. This piece is projected to be funded soon after UCA award.


https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1700404/

komekn:
Is that wisdom.

What is the wisdom of telling lies?

komekn:
The vanguard source❓

That is a newspaper report not a USA state department information gazetted bulletin.

The term l used was substantiate, that's why l said two way sources USA and Nigerian.

But it's not particularly important, we know that whole cost is $600 million of which we will not see any of these aircraft being deployed for some years to come. And according to some we have paid buy we have nothing to show.

Which brings us back to the core subject, is this the most judicious use of our very scarce resources for best value and greatest delivery impact❓ . In the context of the SE and our most pressing need at the moment.

You're quite deluded it's rather impressive to watch.

I don't know why reading is so hard for some people.

In the Vanguard news report, Vanguard newspaper cited defenceweb.co.za as a source.

Defenceweb also cited the US government as a source.

All sources are clearly stated in that link.

Instead of reading and educating yourself, you instead willfully choose to continue to parrot a lie that has been refuted countless times.

Please have some dignity.

komekn:
Who told you that?

Are you able to substantiate that position with sources from both ends Nigerian and US.

Finally, where are they❓

And do you think that is the best use of o very scarce resources. Paying for planes that will not be delivered until 2024.

Considering the dire state our armed forces find themselves in the SE, can anybody call that wisdom.

The Super-Tucano is the best COIN fighter aircraft in the world. When they do arrive they would add an important capability for the Nigerian military.

The Super Tucanos would combine the roles of the King Air ISR plane and the Alpha Jet, L-39 and F-7.

Even you have been following the Air Force space, you would see that the Nigerian Air Force continues to add various capabilities even though the Tucanos have been paid for.

Augusta, JF-17, MI-35m, upgrade of avionics suite of Alpha Jet and L-39 to help them bomb at night, MI-17 and a battalion sized regiment unit.

2024 is far, some sources say 2022, whatever is the case, the Nigerian Air Force is not resting on it's shoulders.

komekn:
Who told you that?

Are you able to substantiate that position with sources from both ends Nigerian and US.

Did you bother opening the link I shared?

komekn:
Below is an excerpt from one of the most prolific contributors on this thread Bidexiii.


In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force .

I had read a report on this but can't be bothered trying to find it.

But l am not the only one with that view of costing of $600 million.

Do you think this procurement is " Best Value " and the most effective use of our very scarce resources.

You should at least do some basic research.

Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States.



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Home » News » Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024
Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024
ON NOVEMBER 30, 201811:21 AMIN NEWS
Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States.


Reports said the United States Department of Defence has just awarded a $329 million contract to the Sierra Nevada Corporation to manufacture the planes for the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), months after Nigeria paid for them.

The planes are needed to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the north east of the country.

defence.co.za reported that the contract was announced on 28 November and is worth $329m for the aircraft, although the total not-to-exceed amount is approved at $344.7m.


Nigeria paid $462m for the aircraft and a host of other accessories and weapons in April.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2018/11/nigeria-to-get-ordered-12-super-tucano-in-2024/amp/

komekn:
Paying attention to detail is an act of intelligence and the best way to get knowledge.

You have jumped before you look.

At what point did l say we have bought these aircraft. See my statement in blue.

In actual fact the aircraft are still not procured but there has been a formalised request with costing responses. These aircraft will not come in box immediately, probably take 24 months for completion. That's too much too late IMO. There has also been a lot of controversial discourse about whether payment was approved by the NA. I don't think we have the money anymore as it stands.


Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Nigeria has fully paid for the Super Tucano.

We did not pay 600 million for it like you earlier insinuated.

komekn:
Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

This is a false statement, Nigeria did not buy 12 Super Tucanos for $600 million.

Even when we are angry let us always speak the truth.

joshingjosh:
Please can someone explain to me what laser lights is been used for in Riffles, doesn't it give away position of the shooter?...I have tried checking Google but am not getting something good there

It is used for aiming at targets at night.

In many cases the light is invisible to the ordinary eye, and can only be seen if you're wearing night vision goggles.

youghs:
It can't be up to that buh they said there's a mass order.
1000 ezugwu is more than $200m(N72bn) and army total capital budget is less than $100m(N36bn) in 2020

Army said they'll get 131 units.

DICON has delivered 10 units to them.

A contract for an additional 28 units was signed for.

93 units are left.

For the ARA MRAP I remember reading here that the army has an order for 30 units.

About 18 units of the ARA have been delivered to the army under of previous contract separate from the 30 units ordered.

kemicalreact:
What's the name?

Brdm-2m.

youghs:
We all do not like those useless Hilux vehicles neither does soldiers nor the authority want them..buh you should also remember that the funds available to them cannot be compared to that of Algeria one bit..They don't have any other choice than to go for less capable vehicles.
The first thing about any good army is their financial capacity and then ideas follow..They know the things they need buh at the same time they don't have enough funds for those things. So the need for prioritizing comes in.

Let's use the Ezugwu as a baseline.

It costs 70 million naira for each vehicle.

Are you saying the Nigerian army cannot add 50 units of ARA and Ezugwu APC each year?

We don't have the funds Algeria has, but you see that Algeria does not buy equipment for troops now, now, now.

They plan forwards it, and make provisions well ahead of time. They also buy in bulk, which is spread out over a couple of years.

In Nigeria, we buy CS/VP3 today, tomorrow we buy Reva from South-Africa, next tomorrow we buy Typhoon from UAE, then we come back and buy ARA from Nigeria. We almost bought Varta from Ukraine.

We buy T-72 from Ukraine, then we buy T-72 from Czech republic.

We should standardise on the ARA and Ezugwu, ask a friendly nation like South-Africa to help us integrate a 20mm or 30mm weapon station on the ARA and Ezugwu.

Go to Russia and buy surplus Tanks, T-72 and T-62. Maybe some BMP-2, surplus.

Mix the equipment, some new, some second hand.

This is one vehicle we can get from Russia on the cheap. Even the Russians are donating them out as aid to other countries.

seankafor:
lol, na there he go dey till boko haram finish?

E just dey like when GEj visited baga..

He will still leave the frontlines and the fight will still continue.
All these na for the cams bro

My brother, it is a morale booster. That's the significance.

It is inspiring, ginger that's all.

I am with you.

President of Chad, inside bush with his soldiers.

After Boko killed many of his soldiers, he followed his soldiers inside the bush to hunt for Boko.

Commitment and morale to the course.

youghs:
Sorry buh how does the video show how ill-equiped the army is..is it the Hilux vehicles or?

Where are the 10,000 body armour the Nigerian army said the bought from NMT in Osun state?

youghs:
I totally don't understand how the media was able to fool u guys this much even after seeing the videos..The video was not recorded for the public, it was recorded for his superior but was leaked by his orderly and his friend. This clearly shows a general given a sitrep to his boss about the situation on ground at the battle field, there was no instance where he complained about the military being ill-equiped..The only thing that looked like a complaint was how the intelligence assessment turn out to be wrong and this is something that occur from time to time on the field, everything do not always go as planned. These videos were shot last week Wednesday. Do not let these useless media guys to mislead u guys..You all know better than this.

- The first complaint is bad intelligence, okay, this happens in every army.

- The second complaint is mobility, 250 tyres of B vehicles changed. The A vehicles, only the Proforce MRAP is in order. The CS/VP3's all have had their tyres changed, they don't also have run flat inserts in the tyres.

A serious army would have purchased tracked vehicles to complement wheeled vehicles in this theater.

There are many options from friendly countries we can buy from. We can buy from Turkey, Russia, China etc etc.

Look at the Algerian army, how they have an important blend of tracked and wheeled vehicles.

- The 3rd compliant is firepower. There is nothing like a fair fight. If you shoot an American soldier with an AK-47, he replies with a Javilen missile, if you fire at them with a grenade they would reply you with a Tomahawk missile.

All too often in this conflict the firepower of the Nigerian army has been inefficient. We need to invest in more main battle tanks and 30mm cannons. It should not be a fair fight.

The Nigerian driving around in a few mraps armed with heavy machine guns, MRAPs are troop transports they are not an offensive weapon.

Our troops in sierra Leone and Liberia had 90mm armed guns, they had the scorpion light tank, they had alpha jets flying night missions, they had 30 mm guns this was why they were effective in combat and in operations there.

youghs:
The way Sahara repoters was able to twist the videos and how u guys jumped on it even after seeing the videos should be part of the 12th wonders of the world

This is not about Sahara reporters. So many things were wrong in that video. I wonder how you came to the conclusion that people here are hoodwinked into believing lies?

The videos shows an army ill-equipped to carry out her mission.

Have you seen Nigerian army in Liberia and Sierra-Leone back in the 90's and early 2000's?

ugo4u:
Sure it's the armoured variant, moreover a humvee is covered all round unlike a Toyota that is exposed at the sides where troops are sitted

We make armoured vehicles in Nigeria, why should we import second hand humvees?

A humvee will only protect against small arms fire, it would get decimated by large caliber weapons.

What Nigeria really needs are heavy infantry weapons and Tanks. Supported by UAVs and self towed artilleries.

We badly, very badly need weapons in the 30mm range.

We need Tanks, T-72 or T-90 Tanks. Frontal core of our attack, supported by 30mm or 57mm cannons.

We need ATGMs mounted on pick-up trucks, then more MRAP APCs.

We have no use for Humvees.

ugo4u:
The army has no business using Toyota vehicles in the northeast, it's an embarrassment, rather than buy Toyota we should use that money and buy second hand Humvees from US used during the Iraq war, though it has its own flaws, it's far better than Light skin vehicles.
The Humvees can even be given to us free because the US has decommissioned it and are dashing some of their allies in West Africa..
Again, we're not serious tomorrow they'll sign another multi million dollar deal to purchase another set of Toyota light skin. We can even meet proforce/ Innoson to replicate the Humvees with better ballistic characteristics, but guymen must cashout.
The army knows what they want believe you me there are very smart guys both at the officer cadre and NCO cadre but corruption no dey let us to the right thing.

A humvee is also light skinned. Expect you're referring to armoured humvess.

The Land cruiser Toyota is better mobility wise than a humvee in a hot arid region like the North east.

seankafor:
so by making the video public,what has he gained aside thr public sympathy which didnt save him his current position?

Who knows where they might throw him to now?

In Nigeria, you either speak the truth and damn all consequences or be silent, hypocritical, play along and be in the good books of those in charge.

This is usually a difficult place to be for many people.


He has cleared his conscience, when troops were ambushed and 50 soldiers killed, he was under pressure!

Pressure which clearly is not his making, it is part of the frustration that lead him to make that video.

He damned the consequences and freed his soul.

bidexiii:
I don’t believe that this his kabe1 talking

I'm in pains.

youngmoneypi:
What do you expect from a Clark who gaggles at DHQ's balls at every chance he gets for crumbs and opportunities to stay far from the front as possible eh?
If you've ever bleed or seen your battle buddy's bleed, trust me you won't have time to be here doing damage control.
Nobi mouth. But you no go see soldier way don see or going through the hell in the north east, on nairaland posting pictures or calling people sympathizers.
Make una dey enjoy the new eagles movie while men keep falling in huge numbers.
Na turn by turn and everybody go collect if things no change.

That Eagle wings movie is just to motivate all Nigerians to see the sacrifices soldiers are making. Soft power is a very important tool in defeating boko-haram. We all believe America has the best military in the world because of movies.

The fact about the matter be say Buhari no fit motivate people. He is docile and an uninspiring leader.

He really not to wake up to his responsibilities as commander in chief. Idris Deby the President of Chad was in the field with his troops just this past week.

The army needs more armoured vehicles, attack helicopters and more ammunition. It is not easy.

jteku:
Don't know if any of you have come across this video's on face book.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2832476176843979&id=100002448720456

I just shed tears for that soldier in the last video. While everyone one is chilling in Lagos and Abuja, you see the hell they are going through.

Yet you see ignorant foolish Nigerians talking nonsense, and Abuja politicians living in a fantasy world.

jteku:
Don't know if any of you have come across this video's on face book.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2832476176843979&id=100002448720456

Thanks for sharing.

I can see the ARA MRAP, our CS/VP3 from China don't have run flat?

That's not good at all.

God would protect our troops, but army headquarters need to purchase more MRAPs and IFVs to be honest.

It seems attrition rate is really high.

jln115:
Uhm...as I've told you before, just because You haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist mate

So stop being ignorant

Akure ‘explosion’ was impact from meteors NOT explosives, says OAU prof

The explosion that rocked Akure, Ondo state capital, on Saturday, was caused by a giant rock from space known as meteors, a team of experts have concluded.

A meteor is what happens when a meteoroid – a small piece of an asteroid – burns up upon entering earth’s atmosphere, creating a streak of light in the sky.

The experts led by Adepelumi Adekunle, a professor of geophysics and earthquake engineering at Obafemi Awolowo University, said the meteors impacted the location from “an angle of 43 degrees”.

TheCable obtained a copy of their report findings on the explosion on Sunday.

https://www.thecable.ng/akure-explosion-was-impact-from-meteors-not-explosives-says-oau-prof/amp

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