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NaijaRoyalty:
Donald trump would rather die than beg China

His Ego is longer than third mainland bridge .

bidexiii:
Like you said based on your own opinion !
Stop deceiving yourself, [/b]“US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can’t win”.[b] where did you get that from or who told you that, infact the US loves to fight war and flex there muscles and it’s in there DNA to fight and history is there to show it.
When the French left Vietnam the US took over to flex there muscles, we all know what happen last last, they withdrew there troops it was a stalemate. Same thing is happening in the Middle East the Russian couldn’t defeat the mujahideen, backed by the United States now the Russians where tired and left. The same thing is happening to the US, they want to make peace with every terrorist there once sponsored.
Infact the Americans & NATO are making the Middle East worst by the day including Lydia, it’s becoming worst by the day even an unstable mind knows that with all there super power.

Dude war is not a game the Americans are tired and have reached there “diminishing law of return” ? Over 18 years and still on battling terrorism globally. Sure some politicians and war mongers, defense contractors wouldn’t want an end to these dirty wars.
But the soldiers who risks the odds are fucking tired

kabe1:
Not taking anything away from the Chadian army, but PR stunts like what we have seen from Idris Deby does not qualify as victory over BHT.

Before slamming the Nigerian military, let us remember that the Nigerian Air Force conducts almost daily bombing of BHT with more dead BHT than what the Chadians are showing.

This is a fact.

20 dead BHT doesn't signal the end of Boko-Haram.

jpphilips:
You are speaking from your personal opinion not based on previous & present events.
Before the Talibans agreed to come to the negotiation table, US dealt a severe blow to the Haqqani rebels presently reinforcing the Talibans, so the US has proved all that has to be proven fire power wise.
The real issue presently is that the fight is getting unpopular at home & there are no serious objective left so what are they supposed to fight for?
The US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can't win, there is no objective left, there is no political, economic or other strategic objective left there.

jpphilips:
You are speaking from your personal opinion not based on previous & present events.
Before the Talibans agreed to come to the negotiation table, US dealt a severe blow to the Haqqani rebels presently reinforcing the Talibans, so the US has proved all that has to be proven fire power wise.
The real issue presently is that the fight is getting unpopular at home & there are no serious objective left so what are they supposed to fight for?
The US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can't win, there is no objective left, there is no political, economic or other strategic objective left there.

jpphilips:
You are speaking from your personal opinion not based on previous & present events.
Before the Talibans agreed to come to the negotiation table, US dealt a severe blow to the Haqqani rebels presently reinforcing the Talibans, so the US has proved all that has to be proven fire power wise.
The real issue presently is that the fight is getting unpopular at home & there are no serious objective left so what are they supposed to fight for?
The US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can't win, there is no objective left, there is no political, economic or other strategic objective left there.

jpphilips:
You are speaking from your personal opinion not based on previous & present events.
Before the Talibans agreed to come to the negotiation table, US dealt a severe blow to the Haqqani rebels presently reinforcing the Talibans, so the US has proved all that has to be proven fire power wise.
The real issue presently is that the fight is getting unpopular at home & there are no serious objective left so what are they supposed to fight for?
The US simply no longer wants to fight not that they can't win, there is no objective left, there is no political, economic or other strategic objective left there.

neyobills:
US is Iswap biggest enemy however they do not owe Nigeria any obligation to share,intel with us since we can as well build our drone base and they are not stopping us at least even if there is corruption its our internal problem and wont meddle into anything thats not affecting their foreign policies,the reason for the US bases in Niger is Uraniam deposits.

I totally commend the Tchadian Army for the offensive they are about the best in guerilla warfare in Africa so im not surprised however it should not be an avenue to bash the NA,even tho they have their downsides however they must have recovered way more ammunition cache from BHT besides its a MNJTF op which is commanded by a Nigerian so we can be,more than sure NA boots and assets were on ground in the offensive and its not yet eureka for Tchad too anyway so we totally need to grow up and cut the NA some slack sometimes.

The weapon cache doesnt looks like NA ammo IMO most probably spills from Mali or Libya maybe.

Salatavor:
they trained in Mali? But your special forces train in Russia, India, Israel, Pakistan and Britain. How come we are losing to those who trained in Mali?

DavidAdeyemo:
Although I am inexperienced in military operations but following this thread for years now I observed two things?
1. Why can't we have a chopper escorting them whenever they move many men and materials? Because to me the army need eyes in the sky due the dynamics of the enemy take for example the case of Gen. Adeniyi he has no business on ground that day, he should be in the sky coordinating affairs base on his overview of the battle ground.
2. Why is this operation not under the Chief of Defense Staff Office so that all the security agencies will contribute men and materials into a single course?
The case of Theatre Commander saying he has seen gunship they sent shows lack of coordination I think he should have some platforms under his command.

nemesis8u:
Nigerian SF were never trained in India. That's wrong info.

jpphilips:
US is making a deal with Talbans because it is not their war!!
Do you expect the US to make a deal with the Taliban if they were operating in Philadelphia?

jln115:
What happened to Kabe1? why was he banned?

jln115:
Depends which version of the Mi24 your talking about. As i said the Mi35m is just a Mi24 variant

jln115:
I was speaking in general hence i didn't mention any specific variant , however the Mi35m is just another version of the Mi24(which there are many)

jln115:
Same thing the mi35 is just the export version

jln115:
MI24 not a109

SherUnlock:
kabe1
Can you tell the model of this chopper please? Is it one of the AgustaWestland AW109 purchased by NAF recently?

S400:
right , especially with the low level of health systems, hygiene, and there are even countries that have 20 % of the population with AIDS with no immunity .. it will be a carnage

blacKDalia:
We just don't seem to get things right. I ve read the recent posts on the super tucano with interest. My major concern is the delivery date: 2020 or 2024. For those people quoting 2024, is the delivery date starting 2024 or ending that same year? If starting 2024 it just shows that the policy planners and decision makers in the military are masturbat-ng over the issues in the North East or effing Nigeria doggy style. It's very annoying and stinks to high heavens that there's no regard for the life of the ordinary soldier in the North East. One day na one day.

S400:
i have shared the link of us department of defense about the 329 millions Undefinitized Contract Actions (UCA ) ( contract actions for which the contract terms, specifications, or price are not agreed upon before performance commences ) .

lets say 344 millions . but dont forget the weaponary , ammunitions and other stuff . still 494 millions is too expensive for only 12 tucano's specially with 2024 delivery .

with 494 millions $ , and the lack of air support of nigerian operations in the north . 37 mi 35 M would be better and delivred earlier .

and what do you think of the Su 25 ? the last upgrades are very good and perfect for antiguerilla wars

komekn:
The fact remains that before those 12 turbo prop planes get here in 2-4 years it will cost us total $600.

S400:
for the same 600 millions , you can get 48 mi 35 M or more , perfect for operations against boko haram .

nigeria bought 12 for 150 millions

komekn:
The purpose of this discourse I presume is to inform and educate.

Its not to get into inconsequential arguments over nothing and to make unguarded derogatory comments. To allege that some one is telling lies , but with no basis WHY Please try and be a gentleman and do not lower standards of etiquette here please.

You have lost sight of the core question, which is simply, is this the best use of our very scarce resources.

The fact remains that before those 12 turbo prop planes get here in 2-4 years it will cost us total $600.

You are essentially saying that Bidexiii, S400, Myself and a few others are telling lies, our position is substantiated with multiple US government departments and agencies the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), being one of them.

You are not covering yourself in glory

komekn:
Is that wisdom.

komekn:
The vanguard source❓

That is a newspaper report not a USA state department information gazetted bulletin.

The term l used was substantiate, that's why l said two way sources USA and Nigerian.

But it's not particularly important, we know that whole cost is $600 million of which we will not see any of these aircraft being deployed for some years to come. And according to some we have paid buy we have nothing to show.

Which brings us back to the core subject, is this the most judicious use of our very scarce resources for best value and greatest delivery impact❓ . In the context of the SE and our most pressing need at the moment.